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Punk434
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If you've got good dbol 20mg will be good. Otherwise you can bump it up, I wouldn't go about 50mg.. 500mg/wk of test is good for your first cycle. You actually don't even really need the dbol for your first cycle but to each his own. How long were you planning to run the test for?
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Punk434
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I was guessing you were going to be using cyp or enanthate because you said you'd be pinning twice a week. Both of those take a few weeks to really kick in. Prop would kick in faster but you'd have to pin EOD. I think you have a little more homework to do before you touch the stuff.
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aaron.kennedy.1217
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And pinning 2ml twice a week of Enan or cyp is definitely too much for a first cycle. That's like 800mg-1g a week. And for prop pinning 2x a week is just a waste.
You should consider doing more research before starting a cycle. You will definitely need an AI with that much test
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aaron.kennedy.1217
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Nvm I didn't see the letro. Still there are better AIs
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Stats and goals help. First cycle can easily fool with how it starts versus how it finishes. I have found I need a full plan, everything on hand, and contingencies in place.... with a definite exit strategy and PCT. I work on my cycles for weeks before I launch, planning, discussing with other vets, looking at my prior documented runs, results, and sides.
It is hard to know what 2 ml of test =... is it C, E or Prop? How many mg per ml.... they vary. Dbol if good is strong but it is not one of my personal fave.
My first run was Cyp and Deca. Years ago. Still my fave though I don't use Deca as often because of goals. I always say and have always heard to keep first cycle simple so you learn how the body reacts. Too many compounds (if you run into issues) and it is hard to know which compound is the culprit. I got lucky and found I respond very positively to Test C and Deca.
All this said, a Test C and Dbol run is decent if you respond well to Dbol.
Do more homework, post stats and goals.
It is hard to know what 2 ml of test =... is it C, E or Prop? How many mg per ml.... they vary. Dbol if good is strong but it is not one of my personal fave.
My first run was Cyp and Deca. Years ago. Still my fave though I don't use Deca as often because of goals. I always say and have always heard to keep first cycle simple so you learn how the body reacts. Too many compounds (if you run into issues) and it is hard to know which compound is the culprit. I got lucky and found I respond very positively to Test C and Deca.
All this said, a Test C and Dbol run is decent if you respond well to Dbol.
Do more homework, post stats and goals.
Salty Pickle
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Yeah bro you need to research a little more.
Most will do a test only cycle for their first cycle but you can use an oral if you choose. Test should be run for like 12 weeks in my opinion. It really starts to shine around week 8 for me personally.
I would NEVER use Letro unless I HAD to. That stuff can crash your estrogen levels quick and you don't won't that. I would use aromosin if it was me. Some use arimidex but each to their own.
What's your plans for PCT?
Make sure you got all your ducks in a row and that your diet and training is on point before you start a cycle.
Most will do a test only cycle for their first cycle but you can use an oral if you choose. Test should be run for like 12 weeks in my opinion. It really starts to shine around week 8 for me personally.
I would NEVER use Letro unless I HAD to. That stuff can crash your estrogen levels quick and you don't won't that. I would use aromosin if it was me. Some use arimidex but each to their own.
What's your plans for PCT?
Make sure you got all your ducks in a row and that your diet and training is on point before you start a cycle.
aaron.kennedy.1217
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Yea. I'm def trying to do my homework. I've been all over the forums here trying to get info from everyone before I touch the stuff. One, I don't want to waste money, and two I want to do this as safe as possible. Any suggestions or info would be well received.
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bulldog333
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No its not standard dosed ent. Or cyp is between 200mg/mL and 250mg/ml...2ml per week would put him between 400mg-500mg...pretty standard first cycle dosing...
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Testosterone Enanthate - 350-500 mgs per week for 12 weeks.
Aromasin - 12.5 mgs EOD, and if estrogen starts hitting, do it ED
N2Guard for liver protection and organ cleansing
HCGenerate ES
Also you could add some Cardarine GW - it will improve recovery, and will add quality to the muscles.
After that, do the Perfect PCT.
Don't use dbol on the first cycle - stick to one single compound. Also, I would recommend you to do a SARMs triple stack first. First of all, it will condition your body for AAS use, and secondly, it may be even more than enough for your personal goals.
Yes 6 weeks at the beginging of every cycle for me. Around 20-30mg.
Great post by Lev. This is what I recommend for your cycle
Weeks 1 - 12
Testerone 350-500mg/week
arimosan 12.5mg EOD
caradrine GW 20mg/day (10mg AM 10mg PM)
After that cycle run the perfect PCT. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
I would first run the sarms triple stack (followed by PCT), then the cycle above ^^^^, then a testerone and dbol cycle. It's all about progression and slow bumps up in dosages and compounds.
Here is more information on the sarms triple stack: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol
Mini pcts consists of 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day
test /dbol is a good cycle
if its your 1st cycle run test alone, all you need
use aromasin as your ai, dont use letro, its to strong
research is your friend. use the search fuction on here and you will find out everything you need to know and more.
welcome to evo brother
Smokey McPot
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Definitely pump up the dbol to at least 30 or 40mg a day in 3 divided doses. Don't go any more than five or six weeks on it. If you take test C you can only need to pin once a week, if you take Test E it'll be twice a week. Don't go any more than 500mg. Run the cycle 12 to 16 weeks
