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fortitude18
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I combined 150 test 400 primo and 50 mg of proviron last summer with great success...I used Robo for the primo
I know quite a few guys that run straight non aromatizing compounds.
Your body will produce estrogen estrogen on its own. Just not a ton like you see in females.
The problem would be if you completely crash your estrogen all together from things like letro. In that case you would have an issue.
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Your body will produce estrogen estrogen on its own. Just not a ton like you see in females.
The problem would be if you completely crash your estrogen all together from things like letro. In that case you would have an issue.
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But estrogen is created from the conversion of test right.. And if it came aromatize, where does it come from. Maybe I need more understanding..?
I have a client who has severe gyno sensitivity and i've worked with him to get rid of it and he has.. now he just cannot cannot run testosterone even if I have him stack 25mg of aromasin a day which should be ample because he is deathly afraid (not sure if he suffers from a placebo effect but he swears he gets sore breasts within days after injecting even with an AI)
so I told him he could run primo or tren solo
works just fine for him, however with tren you still should IMO run aromasin to help keep prolactin in check, or caber to attack the prolactin direcly
I would not recommend you run masteron or winny solo because of the joint risks
so I told him he could run primo or tren solo
works just fine for him, however with tren you still should IMO run aromasin to help keep prolactin in check, or caber to attack the prolactin direcly
I would not recommend you run masteron or winny solo because of the joint risks
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primo is a DHT so it does not
but the body still produces estrogen even when you run a compound that doesn't aromatize.. it will find a way to balance itself
its not like you are running letro is smashing your estrogen into the dirt
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Ok awesome. Thanks for the insight...
That's what I was saying. The male body still produces the estrogen hormone on its own. Just like females produce testosterone. It's just not the primary sex hormone.
Your body will continue to produce enough estrogen for muscle growth as long as you stay away from letro or anything that with crash the bodies natural production.
Primo and tren is a great cycle. I would love to run that. That must be what the fancy folk run cause it costs an arm and a fucking leg.
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Not to divulge any details but the winter run I'm putting together is that.. With a few extras. Reason I'm asking and learning now.. Thanks ladies!
Thanks, yeah, Steve, as you might recall, I had sensitive nips on test even with liquid arom. Maybe I could have had letro or adex, guess I won't know until I try again on test cycle... Just don't want to go through that again, as soon as test e was out of system after 5 weeks is when my nips started to feel normal... So, anyone with success on var and sarms cycle?!
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That sounds like a good run
bro try this 6 week oral cycle
http://www.evolutionary.org/6-week-oral-cycle-SARMS-anavar-winstrol
http://www.evolutionary.org/6-week-oral-cycle-SARMS-anavar-winstrol
I just finished Primo solo cycle. It was my first cycle ever. My natural gyno which I had for years have diminished almost to nothing. I heard of compliments on how I look when I was on primo. People started automatically assume I am on gear, and I was on gear, which means primo solo works fine. My weight stayed the same, I have recomped nicely. Sad part is that all compliments were from men 
LoL
Anyways, I am saying that primo cycle is fine, you don't need tren or test if this is your first cycle. A bit of suppression, shrinkage, slower sex drive (it is still there, just needs a bit of priming), easy PCT, everything seemed to come back without trying.
LoLAnyways, I am saying that primo cycle is fine, you don't need tren or test if this is your first cycle. A bit of suppression, shrinkage, slower sex drive (it is still there, just needs a bit of priming), easy PCT, everything seemed to come back without trying.
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Anavar and Tbol are some good compounds. I really like them.
Im agree, they are good and light
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A lot of old guys used to run just so deca with no test. That's obviously where the term deca dick comes from. It wouldn't be worth the gains if I had to deal with those sides. But I'm really interested in this thread and want to know more!
I have an article coming out on evolutionary.org soon that explains the difference between anabolic and androgenic steroids. Here is a table from the article:
Compound Androgenic Anabolic
Testerone 100 100
Anadrol (Oxymetholone) 45 320
Anavar (Oxandrolone) 24 322-630
Deca Durabolin (Nandrolone Decanoate) 37 125
Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) 40-60 90-210
Durabolin (NPP) 37 125
Equipoise (Boldenone Undecylenate) 50 100
Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)
850 1900
Masteron (Drostanolone Propionate) 25-40 62-130
Methyl-1-Testosterone 100-220 910-1600
Oral Turinabol
NOTE: there is limited data on this compound and the androgenic profile is most likely much larger then 0
0 100+
Oranabol (Oxymesterone)
50 330
Parabolan (Tren Hexahydrobenzycarbonate)
500 1000
Primobolan (Methenolone Acetate)
44-57 88
Proviron (Mesterolone)
30-40 100-150
Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) 400 20
Tren Acetate/Enanthate
500 500
Winstrol(Stanozolol)
30 320
You want primary anabolic compounds to get minimal aromitization. anavar and winstrol are two good options.
The best option however is SARMS. Any steroid (as you can see above) will still have some androgenic properties. SARMS are the only completely anabolic compound. Look into the SARMS triple stack. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol
SARMS are very minimally suppressive, offer tremendous endurance, recovery and fat loss benefits and don't require any injections. After the triple stack you will only need a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day
Bloodybuilder
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U could expernice pretty bad joint pain
Can't go wrong with that post. But one thing was left out.... the king of them all....
Methytrienolone! 120-60 I believe.Need to double check tho.
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Peptidoglycan
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You could always just run low level of Test (even TRT level if you want) alongside Deca and Anavar. My understanding is this is a pretty popular cycle as Decas positive effect of lubricating joints counters Anavars negative potential to dry you out.
Hey Steve,
Thanks for all your informative posts here and at elite. I'm becoming to think I'm overly sensitive as well and was wondering about tren only cycle. I'm usually fine until test gets over 200-300 a week then there's not stopping estrogen no matter what I take(armidex, letro, nolva). Have never ran teen before and have heard some crazy stories about it. Can u run real low doseage to keep sides and stuff in check? Would be very interested to hear about your clients results... Or even becoming a client myself
Thanks for all your informative posts here and at elite. I'm becoming to think I'm overly sensitive as well and was wondering about tren only cycle. I'm usually fine until test gets over 200-300 a week then there's not stopping estrogen no matter what I take(armidex, letro, nolva). Have never ran teen before and have heard some crazy stories about it. Can u run real low doseage to keep sides and stuff in check? Would be very interested to hear about your clients results... Or even becoming a client myself
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I'm my opinion you can definitely run a low dose bud. It's strong stuff.
