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The vision-related sides with S4 concern me. I know that you can do 5 days on 2 off to help alleviate that but it still freaks me out a bit. I was wondering what would be a good replacement for S4 to go along with an Ostarine/Cardarine cycle. Looking for something that is milder that will hopefully allow for 'keepable gains' with a PCT. Any advice is appreciated.
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The s-4 vision sides are definitely freaking alot of people out. I can tell you a few things to help ease your mind. First, it's dose dependent...so starting your dose of low and working up slowly is an option. That way you can find your sweet spot. Second, the yellowish tint everyone talks about, goes away about 5 days after you stop. My husband had the vision side and worked thru it, then it went away after his cycle. But the choice is ultimately up to you. Good luck.
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These are the alternatives I would go for. Both of them are really nice, different from each other,but quite effective.
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boom!!! nutrabol is the bees knees... follow this!
I'm on me third week and have been slowly increasing s4. The first two weeks were at 50 mgs, this week will be at 60 and so far nothing man. So it's like aggirl said man: start low and slowly increase the amount that you take until you start getting those sides and stay slightly under. however nutrabol and anabolicum are great alternatives!
The vision side effects are greatly over exaggerated. Start with 25mg/day and I sincerely doubt you will notice any vision side effects. I personally would recommend just sticking with the S4 but start with a dosage of 25mg/day.
LGD anabolicum would be a good substitution for S4. Both provide significant strength benefits. Dose 10mg/day.
Nutrabol (mk-677) is another great SARM, but it is a GH analogue. It won't provide the same strength gains S4 or LGD anabolicum would. Nutrabol is more for fat loss, overall recovery and sleep.
LGD anabolicum would be a good substitution for S4. Both provide significant strength benefits. Dose 10mg/day.
Nutrabol (mk-677) is another great SARM, but it is a GH analogue. It won't provide the same strength gains S4 or LGD anabolicum would. Nutrabol is more for fat loss, overall recovery and sleep.
TXHardGainer
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I just started a triple stack with S4 included. Been on 25mg/Ed and haven't had any sides yet and will be increasing next week to 50. Like everyone else has said just start slow and find your own sweet spot possibly won't have any sides at all
use var with it. it will rip you just as much, if not more
Agreed var or winstrol if u want to replace with a steroid.
