Question about Deca and NPP

[ITGymRat]

Hey all,
I'm 32 years old, 200-205 lbs, 14-15% body fat. I've ran a test c only cycle at 400 mg a wk for 10 weeks and used a little letro while on with Nolva and clomid as pct. Just got engaged and my girl and I have decided on no more kids and she gave me the green light to cycle. I've been doing my homework and would really like to add something on this next cycle. I've read about Deca being good for your joints and for putting on mass but it needs to be ran for a longer time than I'd like to be on. Since NPP is a shorter ester, I should be able to get effects from it quicker, correct? Also, I'm semi sensitive to estrogen so shouldn't I assume that I would be sensitive to prolactin as well? Are the prolactin sides less severe with NPP or the same as Deca? I've read about the ancillaries necessary to combat prolactin and they seem to have some harsh side effects. What are your opinion on the ancillaries available for this purpose and their sides?

 

[NY REBEL]

Glad you got the green light

Hard to say how estrogen and prolactin issue will affect you. Everyone's different. I'm fairly sensitive to estrogen but never have prolactin issues, as I keep Estro in check..hence having the correct ancillaries on hand is critical.. Caber, etc
Npp seems to be a favorite. I'm not nandro fan.. So I can't advise well there ..

Read my signature threads.. They'll help.

 

[ITGymRat]

NY Rebel,
Thanks for the input. Have you ever used caber? And, if so, did you get any sides?

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

NPP will start working a lot faster, that means the negative side effects will too. Some people claim sides are worse with NPP, others will say they are better. NPP may be a smarter option because if things get out if control you can just drop it mid cycle and it will leave your system much quicker.

 

[ITGymRat]

That's another reason I was interested in NPP. It would clear my system faster than Deca. I've never ran anything other than Test cyp at 400mg a week, 200mg bi weekly. I'm also concerned about the sides from the nandrolone and neccesary ancillaries. I'm wanting to put on some quality mass and try something other than test only. I did fine on test only. Was really just wanting to run the nandrolone for joints and maybe a little more mass. Like I said earlier, my girl gave me the green light and knows that training is something I'm passionate about, so I'm wanting to try some other compounds but not go crazy with it.

 

[Peptidoglycan]

My recommendation would be a Sust + NPP cycle, you can throw in dbol as a kick start. Either way it would be a killer cycle for mass!

 

[NY REBEL]

NPP will start working a lot faster, that means the negative side effects will too. Some people claim sides are worse with NPP, others will say they are better. NPP may be a smarter option because if things get out if control you can just drop it mid cycle and it will leave your system much quicker.

This is true..

For your question, I've used very light doses of caber and prami.. With minimal sides. I don't need much. Some folks get heavy sides with it however.

 

[ITGymRat]

Thanks for the input. I'm Leary about deviating from the test cyp as my base since I already know where that's gonna get me, with good gear of course. Why would you recommend the sust over cyp? Bc sust and NPP share the same ester?

 

[NY REBEL]

Thanks for the input. I'm Leary about deviating from the test cyp as my base since I already know where that's gonna get me, with good gear of course. Why would you recommend the sust over cyp? Bc sust and NPP share the same ester?

Personally I hate sust. I don't get the point if I want to run short ester, I'll run prop, long, I'll run E or cyp..

 

[ITGymRat]

Thanks NY. Are those ancillaries easy to acquire? I workout at a company gym so I'm gonna be sourcing on my own. And I've done my homework so I'm gonna ignore any pm's trying to rip me off, just in case anyone's thinking about it. Again, I appreciate everyone's input.

 

[NY REBEL]

Agguys is a great place to get ancillaries

 

[ITGymRat]

I've only ran one cycle and it was test cyp. So I'd rather stick with what's familiar so I can gauge the other compound. Maybe I'll experiment with sust later on. Just wanna get a feel for other compounds while using a familiar base.

 

[bonacris]

NPP is fucking awesome. My favourtie aas but it expensive to run, and EOD pins are literally a pain. Anything below 500mg of NPP is a waste so you will be flying through bottles of the stuff. How ever it does kick in quicker, gives leaner gains.

It really depends how much you wanna spend and if you like pinning. I'm getting sick of pinning NPP so I'm glad I'm finished it and deca is kicking in.

 

[NY REBEL]

Smart move brother.

I've only ran one cycle and it was test cyp. So I'd rather stick with what's familiar so I can gauge the other compound. Maybe I'll experiment with sust later on. Just wanna get a feel for other compounds while using a familiar base.

 

[ITGymRat]

Hmm...a dilemma. I'm just worried about having to run Deca so long to get results. I'm just trying to experience other compounds. What's the shortest amount of time I could run Deca and it be worth while? I'd like to keep my cycle at 10 weeks max. Is Deca even worth running ten weeks?

 

[NY REBEL]

Hmm...a dilemma. I'm just worried about having to run Deca so long to get results. I'm just trying to experience other compounds. What's the shortest amount of time I could run Deca and it be worth while? I'd like to keep my cycle at 10 weeks max. Is Deca even worth running ten weeks?

You can.. I have. 12+would be ideal...

 

[ITGymRat]

Would I need to drop the Deca before the test since it's a longer ester or would I run both ten weeks and the just start pct two weeks later and continue caber through pct?

 

[ITGymRat]

I'd like to keep my cycles ten weeks or less. I've read that it's easier to recover when you keep it that length. Im not sure how much of that is bro science and how much is backed by science.

 

[NY REBEL]

I'd like to keep my cycles ten weeks or less. I've read that it's easier to recover when you keep it that length. Im not sure how much of that is bro science and how much is backed by science.

Bro I just ran tren for 6 months..following the perfect pct and feel great. I have bloods that should post today actually...

 

[vladithor24]

Hmm...a dilemma. I'm just worried about having to run Deca so long to get results. I'm just trying to experience other compounds. What's the shortest amount of time I could run Deca and it be worth while? I'd like to keep my cycle at 10 weeks max. Is Deca even worth running ten weeks?

I think you can see good gains on 10 weeks deca but will need to actually run cycle 12 weeks though 10 weeks deca 12 weeks test especially being your first run of deca


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[aaron.kennedy.1217]

10 weeks is a waste go for 16 with deca. Last pin of Deca should be 3 weeks before pct.

 

[MikeSnow]

I agree; if you want to run run deca for just the collagen benefits then run it like 200mg/week and use another compound or oral along with your test. I would never recommend someone to take deca unless they are basically going back on trt after


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[Peptidoglycan]

Personally I hate sust. I don't get the point if I want to run short ester, I'll run prop, long, I'll run E or cyp..

That's fair enough! The problem is that here in Australia I can only seem to find Prop and NPP that's 100mg/ml, meaning I would have to inject about 3mls EOD if I were to run both compounds, which to me is a little much. Compared to sust where I would be injecting a little under 2 mls.

 

[NY REBEL]

That's fair enough! The problem is that here in Australia I can only seem to find Prop and NPP that's 100mg/ml, meaning I would have to inject about 3mls EOD if I were to run both compounds, which to me is a little much. Compared to sust where I would be injecting a little under 2 mls.

Sorry to hear. I did run 3cc's eod for like ten weeks on bad tren. Lol I feel you

 

[ITGymRat]

I agree; if you want to run run deca for just the collagen benefits then run it like 200mg/week and use another compound or oral along with your test. I would never recommend someone to take deca unless they are basically going back on trt after
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Why would you never recommend unless going on try afterwards?

 

[LevButlerov]

The best thing to use for your joints and putting on some lean mass is Ostarine. Unlike deca, it was meant to heal joint, bone and muscle related injuries. Whilst deca just coveres them up, so you can worsen your injuries without being aware of it. Besides, Ostarine is a better addition, since it will not add any side effects at all, and will help burn some fat. All in all, Ostarine is a superior compound for the achievement of your objectives.

 

[Jrbdallas]

Just to give you a tip.... Prami will make you want to die. It is awefull lol.

 

[muskate]

Hey all,
I'm 32 years old, 200-205 lbs, 14-15% body fat. I've ran a test c only cycle at 400 mg a wk for 10 weeks and used a little letro while on with Nolva and clomid as pct. Just got engaged and my girl and I have decided on no more kids and she gave me the green light to cycle. I've been doing my homework and would really like to add something on this next cycle. I've read about Deca being good for your joints and for putting on mass but it needs to be ran for a longer time than I'd like to be on. Since NPP is a shorter ester, I should be able to get effects from it quicker, correct? Also, I'm semi sensitive to estrogen so shouldn't I assume that I would be sensitive to prolactin as well? Are the prolactin sides less severe with NPP or the same as Deca? I've read about the ancillaries necessary to combat prolactin and they seem to have some harsh side effects. What are your opinion on the ancillaries available for this purpose and their sides?

It is hard to say whether or not you will experience prolactin issues from deca/npp. Just because you experienced estrogen related side effects does not mean that you will experience prolactin related side effects. Either caber or prami is what you want to have on hand to combat any possible prolactin related side effects.

NPP and deca are basically the same thing. NPP has a faster acting ester so you will notice it much sooner, correct. Prolactin side effects (if they occur) would be the same. The ester only changes the haft life. The drug compound is the same.

Try this out for a cycle:

weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
NPP 300mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg EOD
Caber 0.5mg E3D (if side effects occur)

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[muskate]

The best thing to use for your joints and putting on some lean mass is Ostarine. Unlike deca, it was meant to heal joint, bone and muscle related injuries. Whilst deca just coveres them up, so you can worsen your injuries without being aware of it. Besides, Ostarine is a better addition, since it will not add any side effects at all, and will help burn some fat. All in all, Ostarine is a superior compound for the achievement of your objectives.

I agree with this completely. Ostarine + n2joint RX is a fantastic stack for overall joint health and mobility.

 

[jackedtothemax]

Personally I hate sust. I don't get the point if I want to run short ester, I'll run prop, long, I'll run E or cyp..

+1. I think that it is better to retain full control over what you run.

 

[ITGymRat]

The best thing to use for your joints and putting on some lean mass is Ostarine. Unlike deca, it was meant to heal joint, bone and muscle related injuries. Whilst deca just coveres them up, so you can worsen your injuries without being aware of it. Besides, Ostarine is a better addition, since it will not add any side effects at all, and will help burn some fat. All in all, Ostarine is a superior compound for the achievement of your objectives.

Just did some research on Ostarine. Sounds like it's worth a go. Everything I've read says suppression is mild but I know everyone's body reacts differently. With that being said, would something like daa and l-dopa suffice for a light pct or maybe some other otc pct? I'd like to try it stand alone before I incorporate it with anything so I can gauge the effects.

 

[gearhead]

Just did some research on Ostarine. Sounds like it's worth a go. Everything I've read says suppression is mild but I know everyone's body reacts differently. With that being said, would something like daa and l-dopa suffice for a light pct or maybe some other otc pct? I'd like to try it stand alone before I incorporate it with anything so I can gauge the effects.

bro if you do a sarms run...go with ostrine mk2866 25mgs/ed + cardarine 20mgs/ed...for pct you dont need much just mini pct with hcgenerate es 5 tabs/ed...

http://www.evolutionary.org/mk-2866-ostarine-sarms-exposed

 

[LevButlerov]

Just did some research on Ostarine. Sounds like it's worth a go. Everything I've read says suppression is mild but I know everyone's body reacts differently. With that being said, would something like daa and l-dopa suffice for a light pct or maybe some other otc pct? I'd like to try it stand alone before I incorporate it with anything so I can gauge the effects.

As @gearhead said, you will have more than enough with a mini-PCT. I have had some serious issues with my elbows before, and let me tell you, that over the years I have tried all kinds of compounds and devices - nothing helped. Ostarine was the only thing that really helped me, and when I added N2Joints RX the things got even better.

 

[Jrbdallas]

As @gearhead said, you will have more than enough with a mini-PCT. I have had some serious issues with my elbows before, and let me tell you, that over the years I have tried all kinds of compounds and devices - nothing helped. Ostarine was the only thing that really helped me, and when I added N2Joints RX the things got even better.

Ive heard guys really like N2Joint. I am about to try it myself for some knee pain I continue to get.

 

[jon38]

Personally I hate sust. I don't get the point if I want to run short ester, I'll run prop, long, I'll run E or cyp..

Im with ny on the sust its better for a longer xycle the short and really long esters keep building up getting blood levels higher and higher but after a w j ile there hard too control and almost all sust has a nasty bite jate pinning shit yhat hurts id go prop with npp for a shorter cycle but even the id say 10 too 12 weeks is bare minimum or you gonna be get out just as the gains start coming

 

[muskate]

Just did some research on Ostarine. Sounds like it's worth a go. Everything I've read says suppression is mild but I know everyone's body reacts differently. With that being said, would something like daa and l-dopa suffice for a light pct or maybe some other otc pct? I'd like to try it stand alone before I incorporate it with anything so I can gauge the effects.

Use 25mg/day ostarine + 20mg/day cardarine GW for 8-12 weeks. After your cycle run the following for 4 weeks as a mini PCT:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

 

[muskate]

Ive heard guys really like N2Joint. I am about to try it myself for some knee pain I continue to get.

You are in for a treat.

 

[MikeSnow]

I don't really see the point in sust either.. If you wan't a little kickstart just use suspension or tne for a week

 

[Melbguy]

Does gear affect fertility ?

 

[Amit]

Are those ancillaries easy to acquire?

 

[ITGymRat]

Use 25mg/day ostarine + 20mg/day cardarine GW for 8-12 weeks. After your cycle run the following for 4 weeks as a mini PCT:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

I've heard both ends of the spectrum on pct for an 8 week ostarine cycle. Is nolva and cloned really necessary? If I'm gonna have to drop that much on ancillaries, I'll probably just run test with the ostarine.

 

[gearhead]

I've heard both ends of the spectrum on pct for an 8 week ostarine cycle. Is nolva and cloned really necessary? If I'm gonna have to drop that much on ancillaries, I'll probably just run test with the ostarine.

bro a mini pct is always a good idea on a sarms run...

 

[jon38]

If you needed too drop something drop the nolva and keep the clomid . nolva is site specific sarm for the receptors in breast its great too prevent rebound gyno but overall estro protection and hpta stimulation clomid is king they make a good pair but if you have choose clomid is more important

 

[Jrbdallas]

Everyone is different. I agree with what Jon mentioned in a way but then again some people do terrible with clomid. There are some other options that people seem to neglect. It really gets dependant on the individual. I could never handle clomid. I always opted for a nolva/raloxafien combination or even Torem. I has amazing recovery. Blodds came back great.

A lot of people hate raloxafien thougu. It really depends. Takes some trial and error as does everything we do.

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[ITGymRat]

Everyone is different. I agree with what Jon mentioned in a way but then again some people do terrible with clomid. There are some other options that people seem to neglect. It really gets dependant on the individual. I could never handle clomid. I always opted for a nolva/raloxafien combination or even Torem. I has amazing recovery. Blodds came back great.

A lot of people hate raloxafien thougu. It really depends. Takes some trial and error as does everything we do.

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I've taken clomid and nolva before for pct, so I'd prefer to stick with that. After some more research, I'm leaning towards ostarine at 25mg per day and s4 starting at 10mg per day, increasing the dose gradually to gauge sides. Pct would be hcgenerate and clomid 25 mg per day for 3 weeks. Would DAA on cycle nullify the suppression? I'm curious because everything I've read regarding sarm blood work shows users lh and fsh to be within the normal range and DAA boosts your test by stimulating LH, from what I've read. This would be a 4-6 week cycle depending on results vs sides. Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[gearhead]

I've taken clomid and nolva before for pct, so I'd prefer to stick with that. After some more research, I'm leaning towards ostarine at 25mg per day and s4 starting at 10mg per day, increasing the dose gradually to gauge sides. Pct would be hcgenerate and clomid 25 mg per day for 3 weeks. Would DAA on cycle nullify the suppression? I'm curious because everything I've read regarding sarm blood work shows users lh and fsh to be within the normal range and DAA boosts your test by stimulating LH, from what I've read. This would be a 4-6 week cycle depending on results vs sides. Thanks in advance for any input.

bro daa is alright...but hcgenerate would be a better option

 

[ITGymRat]

bro daa is alright...but hcgenerate would be a better option

I was going to run hcgenerate post cycle. I cycle DAA and velvet bean extract so I know it works. Just curious to hear others opinions about DAA in that application because of the way it is supposed to work regarding test boosting.

 

[gearhead]

I was going to run hcgenerate post cycle. I cycle DAA and velvet bean extract so I know it works. Just curious to hear others opinions about DAA in that application because of the way it is supposed to work regarding test boosting.

bro you can use daa with hcgenerate...ive tried a few times to mix up good bloods