First cycle, test E only dosage suggestions

[bjrboss]

Hi guys, I'm 40 years old, 5 foot 9 , 170lbs 10 to 11 % bf and have been working out for 15 years with a few breaks. I have built 25lbs of lean mass mostly in the first 5 years but have stalled in the low 170s. I am lifting 6 days a week. I have always been natural and want to try my first cycle of test E only.
My question is, what dose would you recommend? I have heard anything from 250 to 350mgs per week, but seems low to me. Then I also get that 500 is a safe start. I want to be rather conservative but also want it to be worth while. I would like to gain 15lbs of lean mass ultimately to keep. Is 350mgs going to get me there? Any thoughts?

 

[Jory]

Wassup brother. Great question. I am on week 6 of my first Cycle. And I am running 500mg EW. Having phenomenal results with that dose. I am also running Aromasin @ 12.5 mg EOD to control the sides from Test which include Gyno (bitch tit) and water retention. This is a MUST from day one. Along with that, I am running the SARM Cardarine at 20mg a day. This really boost endurance and IMO recovery time. I think you will be fine with 500 Test E or C a week. Pin Monday and Thursday and you will be golden.


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[bjrboss]

Wassup brother. Great question. I am on week 6 of my first Cycle. And I am running 500mg EW. Having phenomenal results with that dose. I am also running Aromasin @ 12.5 mg EOD to control the sides from Test which include Gyno (bitch tit) and water retention. This is a MUST from day one. Along with that, I am running the SARM Cardarine at 20mg a day. This really boost endurance and IMO recovery time. I think you will be fine with 500 Test E or C a week. Pin Monday and Thursday and you will be golden.


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Ok thanks man. I was wondering if 350 would even be worth it..I know every body different, and how they react, but I am just trying to be conservative yet productive for my first try...if that makes sense.
Also, is aromasin in capsule form versus the liquid form dosed the same...as in mg per mg of aromasin? Is 10mg capsule same as 10mg liquid (active ingredient) no matter how it is concentrated. Thanks

 

[pipergirl]

What kind of gains weight wise have you made so far? I too am starting my first cycle very shortly.

Wassup brother. Great question. I am on week 6 of my first Cycle. And I am running 500mg EW. Having phenomenal results with that dose. I am also running Aromasin @ 12.5 mg EOD to control the sides from Test which include Gyno (bitch tit) and water retention. This is a MUST from day one. Along with that, I am running the SARM Cardarine at 20mg a day. This really boost endurance and IMO recovery time. I think you will be fine with 500 Test E or C a week. Pin Monday and Thursday and you will be golden.


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[muskate]

Ok thanks man. I was wondering if 350 would even be worth it..I know every body different, and how they react, but I am just trying to be conservative yet productive for my first try...if that makes sense.
Also, is aromasin in capsule form versus the liquid form dosed the same...as in mg per mg of aromasin? Is 10mg capsule same as 10mg liquid (active ingredient) no matter how it is concentrated. Thanks

If you are going to run a cycle, you might as do it right. 500mg/week for 10 weeks is the gold standard for a first cycle. Productive but still very conservative.

Aromasin in capsule vs liquid for makes no difference. I personally use aromasin from ag-guys.com. 0.67mL = 10mg.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 10
testosterone e or cyp 500mg/week (inject 250mg twice per week)
aromasin 10mg every other day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[bjrboss]

Thanks for the insight guys!

 

[TheChad]

I agree. 500 EW will be golden. Muskate got you covered on all the details!


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[Fit-PharmD]

Running Test at 350mg a week would not produce the anabolic gains you are looking for. 350mg per week would be considered a high end TRT dose, so basically you would be shutting down your natrual test production and replacing it with an exogenous source. You would of course see some lean muscle gains but simply increasing the dose to 500mg brings you into the anabolic range and not so much TRT.

Muskate outline it well. A 10-12 week cycle at 500mg EW can add upwards of 20lbs of mass. Notice I did not say "Muscle" as there will be some water weight and some fat as well, depending on diet. The majority of the weight will be muscle though, so do not be discouraged. Just make sure you have an AI on hand and run that accordingly. Arimadex typically at 0.5mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD. Train a minimum of 3 days per week, but if I were you I would want to maximize this 10 weeks and train around 5 days per week. Trust me, the test will boost recovery time, endurance, strength so you will have no problem working out this much.

Lastly, be sure to have an ironed out PCT as this is most critical to a successful cycle. Have the meds on hand prior to starting your cycle just in case you have to stop midway for any reason. It is just a smart thing to do and less you have to worry about later. The PCT outlined on the sticky is a tried and true method. I am not one to promote the use of herbals, but many say they are beneficial to recovery so feel free to use them.

Hope this helps,

Fit-PharmD

 

[Inhuman2012]

If u ever saw Dorian Yates cycle advice he saws u always want to use the least amount u can and get the most quality gains, not sloppy gains.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I would also recommend running the 500mg per week. You will make great gains since you are training consistently and have your diet in check. Run aromasin 10mg EOD to control estrogen and you are all set.

I would definitely get blood work before starting, during cycle, and 4 weeks after PCT. That will show you not only if your test levels have returned to normal but also your cholesterol, estrogen (may need to adjust AI dose), liver values, RBC, ets. Blood work is very important!

For PCT this is what I highly recommend running: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/perfect-pct-simplified!-49252.html

 

[bjrboss]

Running Test at 350mg a week would not produce the anabolic gains you are looking for. 350mg per week would be considered a high end TRT dose, so basically you would be shutting down your natrual test production and replacing it with an exogenous source. You would of course see some lean muscle gains but simply increasing the dose to 500mg brings you into the anabolic range and not so much TRT.

Muskate outline it well. A 10-12 week cycle at 500mg EW can add upwards of 20lbs of mass. Notice I did not say "Muscle" as there will be some water weight and some fat as well, depending on diet. The majority of the weight will be muscle though, so do not be discouraged. Just make sure you have an AI on hand and run that accordingly. Arimadex typically at 0.5mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD. Train a minimum of 3 days per week, but if I were you I would want to maximize this 10 weeks and train around 5 days per week. Trust me, the test will boost recovery time, endurance, strength so you will have no problem working out this much.

Lastly, be sure to have an ironed out PCT as this is most critical to a successful cycle. Have the meds on hand prior to starting your cycle just in case you have to stop midway for any reason. It is just a smart thing to do and less you have to worry about later. The PCT outlined on the sticky is a tried and true method. I am not one to promote the use of herbals, but many say they are beneficial to recovery so feel free to use them.

Hope this helps,

Fit-PharmD

Thanks man! I totally get it. I would be very happy if I could end up with 15lbs. I understand I will loose some right away..and I am handling 6 days a week right now, and not really an issue. I'd feel lazy doing any less quite frankly! Ha ha! Thanks for the insight!

 

[bjrboss]

Ok great advise, this is mostly what I was thinking of doing..but sometimes get confused because there are 2 sides of the spectrum always and start doubting my ideas.
One last question sort of off the topic, but is it not correct to run the AI right through the first 6 weeks of the PCT? So if one does 12 weeks of test E, wouldn't you keep running the AI on week 13 and 14 too? And then on 15, 16, 17..... as stated in the perfect PCT... it just seems the AI is left out for 2 weeks for some reason as I see it..

 

[muskate]

Ok great advise, this is mostly what I was thinking of doing..but sometimes get confused because there are 2 sides of the spectrum always and start doubting my ideas.
One last question sort of off the topic, but is it not correct to run the AI right through the first 6 weeks of the PCT? So if one does 12 weeks of test E, wouldn't you keep running the AI on week 13 and 14 too? And then on 15, 16, 17..... as stated in the perfect PCT... it just seems the AI is left out for 2 weeks for some reason as I see it..

I recommend running the AI on weeks 13 and 14 as well. I am not sure why it's not included in the perfect PCT article but I always tell clients to run their AI throughout their entire cycle and PCT.

Use the same AI dosage for weeks 1- 14, then follow the AI dosage for weeks 15-17 as listed in the perfect PCT protocol.

 

[bjrboss]

I recommend running the AI on weeks 13 and 14 as well. I am not sure why it's not included in the perfect PCT article but I always tell clients to run their AI throughout their entire cycle and PCT.

Use the same AI dosage for weeks 1- 14, then follow the AI dosage for weeks 15-17 as listed in the perfect PCT protocol.

Got it. Thanks again!

 

[stevesmi]

it depends on what you are running and your own experience with estrogen

some guys should run it, some guys should not

it is important to not crash estrogen during pct, this is a very old school and outdated practice. with more modern pct's you don't need to crash estrogen to recovery

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

If estrogen is controlled throughout the cycle I don't think it is mandatory to run an AI in PCT.

 

[bjrboss]

If estrogen is controlled throughout the cycle I don't think it is mandatory to run an AI in PCT.

Ok. It seems we have 2 thoughts on using an AI in a PCT, but I guess it would maybe be logical that if your estrogen is controlled during your cycle, once the steroids are "cleared" , say 2 weeks after last injection of test E, your estrogen levels would naturally drop on their own, as your test levels drop also. Is this the idea why you wouldn't need to run an AI on PCT? And yes I know, blood tests would tell for sure at that point.

 

[Jay Scott]

Ok. It seems we have 2 thoughts on using an AI in a PCT, but I guess it would maybe be logical that if your estrogen is controlled during your cycle, once the steroids are "cleared" , say 2 weeks after last injection of test E, your estrogen levels would naturally drop on their own, as your test levels drop also. Is this the idea why you wouldn't need to run an AI on PCT? And yes I know, blood tests would tell for sure at that point.

Yes, you got it correct.

Once your estrogen levels are back to normal and there is no high risk of aromatisation, you do not need to run an AI anymore.

 

[trynagrind27]

Hey man - do you trust an online source for your gear? thx