Somatypes.. Bro Science or Truth?

[ChickenandTest]

I'm sure most of us here are familiar with the three somatypes: endomorph ectomorph and mesomorph.

Do you believe there is any truth behind these?

I believe in them in terms of body shape but not so much the whole you're fat cuz your endo or you're skinny cuz you're ecto. I still think it's more of a function of diet than somatype.

Your thoughts guys?

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[Eddie Haskell]

I'm sure most of us here are familiar with the three somatypes: endomorph ectomorph and mesomorph.

Do you believe there is any truth behind these?

I believe in them in terms of body shape but not so much the whole you're fat cuz your endo or you're skinny cuz you're ecto. I still think it's more of a function of diet than somatype.

Your thoughts guys?

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Sure there is truth behind them. The problem, though, is that many people use them as excuses. If I, for example, would have given into the whole "I'm an ectomorph. So I can't ever get bigger" thing, then never would I have transformed myself from a 5'11" 157lbs man into the 5'11" 189lbs. man (with 7% BF) that I am today had I limited myslef by making too much of my being an ectomorph.

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True, I could not have done it without juice. But still...

 

[ChickenandTest]

I have transformed myself from a 5'11" 157lbs man into the 5'11" 189lbs. man (with 7% BF)

Congrats on the transformation bro.. That's solid..

You say there's some truth to them.. Do you think that people should tailor their diets to their somatype?

Were there certain "diet ideologies" (low carb low fat etc) that worked or didn't work for you as an ecto?

Also did you have to eat more calories than most bmr calculators estimate are needed as an ecto?

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[stevesmi]

there is 100% truth that if you have been a body type for the past 15 years that it takes a lot to change that.

there have been endless human studies done proving this. this is why it is so ridiculous when you see some juiced up meathead jock trainer trying to train a fat person in the gym who never worked out before. that PT thinks that fat person can be changed by doing the same cookie cutter diet and workout he does.. and it never works

you gotta take shit to another level to shake that off

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Congrats on the transformation bro.. That's solid..

Thank you, sir.

You say there's some truth to them.. Do you think that people should tailor their diets to their somatype? Were there certain "diet ideologies" (low carb low fat etc) that worked or didn't work for you as an ecto?

Oh, I think there's more than just some truth behind them. As stevesmi stated, "it takes a lot to change" your body type. In my case, it has taken some ten years and an enormous amount of effort.
Too, had I not retired during the second year of said transformation and therfore had the time to devote to it, I would not have been able to accomplish it.

Per whether or not "people should tailor their diets to their somatypes," I can't speak for everyone, but I know that I had to. Indeed, I went through three trainers/nutritionists before I found one who truly understood my needs and then customied her approach accordingly.
Yes, a "diet ideology" certainly applies to me. She - my third and final trainer/nutritionist discovered that carb' cycling and very high levels of protein were my tickets to a bigger and more muscular me; not to mention a rather gruling training regimen, copious amounts of water and, of course, AAS, peptides and HGH.

Also did you have to eat more calories than most bmr calculators estimate are needed as an ecto?

Yes. And, given my exceedingly fast matabolism (even at the age of 60), I still have to eat every three hours in order to maintain my weight.

Now then, ChickenandTest, why, uh, "ChickenandTest?

 

[ChickenandTest]

This conversation is fascinating. I've always thought if somatypes were real that they were static not something that could be changed.

Further, I had always thought calorie recommendations from sources such as forum bros and bmr calculators had no basis in reality as I would always get fat as hell from following them. (Yes I do know how to accurately count.. I use a food scale and measuring utensils.. I don't overlook ancillary calories added from cooking with oil or using certain seasonings, etc)

However, after reading your response Eddie I think the issue was that I've always been an endo and generalized calorie and macro intake recommendations might not apply to me. Any endos out there with diet recommendations please chime in. I currently do a low fat IF and it's working for my cut but I'm always looking to see if there's a better way. Also any pointers on how to become more of a meso would be appreciated as I can still gain fat like an endo even after I lean out.

Chicken and test (natural for now hehe) are what my (admittedly less than what you have at a similar height and much younger age.. You're a beast dude) muscles are built off of. Chicken is my favorite source of protein and a staple of my diet. Hence the name ChickenandTest.

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[Mobster]

I'm sure most of us here are familiar with the three somatypes: endomorph ectomorph and mesomorph.

Do you believe there is any truth behind these?

I believe in them in terms of body shape but not so much the whole you're fat cuz your endo or you're skinny cuz you're ecto. I still think it's more of a function of diet than somatype.

Your thoughts guys?

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That's all they mean really. I don't think there's much to the idea of somehow blaming your 'type' for being fat etc. More so if it becomes an excuse to do nothing

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This conversation is fascinating. I've always thought if somatypes were real that they were static not something that could be changed.

I don't claim that they can be changed. I am simply of the mind that an ectomorph can become bigger and more muscular (as I have), and that an endomorph can become leaner and even "cut." It is simply a matter of hard work, consistency and understanding one's particular needs. In other words, my body, for example, is still that of an ectomorph with all of the usual charactersitics. it is just that I have, through a lot of work and time, managed to cover my small bone structure with a lot more muscle tissue. And the same can be accomplished by endomorphs, only in the opposite "direction."

Further, I had always thought calorie recommendations from sources such as forum bros and bmr calculators had no basis in reality as I would always get fat as hell from following them. (Yes I do know how to accurately count.. I use a food scale and measuring utensils.. I don't overlook ancillary calories added from cooking with oil or using certain seasonings, etc)

However, after reading your response Eddie I think the issue was that I've always been an endo and generalized calorie and macro intake recommendations might not apply to me. Any endos out there with diet recommendations please chime in. I currently do a low fat IF and it's working for my cut but I'm always looking to see if there's a better way. Also any pointers on how to become more of a meso would be appreciated as I can still gain fat like an endo even after I lean out.

Yes, it would be intersting to see the recommendations of endomorphs who have leaned themselves.

Chicken and test (natural for now hehe) are what my (admittedly less than what you have at a similar height and much younger age.. You're a beast dude) muscles are built off of. Chicken is my favorite source of protein and a staple of my diet. Hence the name ChickenandTest.

Oh. Okay. That makes sense.

 

[muskate]

It's 100% True.

I just wrote an indepth article on the topic. It should be up on the website in a couple of days!

 

[stevesmi]

YES it can be changed, but the changes are going to be usually temporary unless you make permanent changes

this is why caloric deficits and surpluses don't work long term. you can gain or lose weight doing that, but over time you will just go back to your usual weight.

think about why: if you were 200 pounds and ate in a caloric deficit of 500 everyday you would lose 1 pound a week right? okay so that means after 200 weeks you would weigh 0. that isn't logical and that is why diets DO NOT WORK. it has to be permanent lifestyle

anyone reading this who wants to actually make a long term change get in touch with me for a 1 on 1 consult. i can help you accomplish this