Tren e Test e cycle

[chrisr]

Hello!
Planning to run 8-10 weeks of Tren e and Test e

Tren e 2times a week 400mg together
Test e 2 times a week 500mg together

if i notice i can’t keep my dick hard or your nipples start leaking then take .5mg Caber 2x week

After that strong PCT ofc!

Should i boost up first week Tren to get better levels faster or nah?

Any other notes or help is nice to get thank you!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hello!
Planning to run 8-10 weeks of Tren e and Test e

Tren e 2times a week 400mg together
Test e 2 times a week 500mg together

That, to me, is too much gear. My best results relative to a test' and tren' cycle came while using a mere 300mg of tren' and 200mg of test' per week.

if i notice i can’t keep my dick hard or your nipples start leaking then take .5mg Caber 2x week

That would be a mistake. Take .05mg of caber' E3D throughout the cycle and PCT.

After that strong PCT ofc!

Yes, you should run HCG during the final week of the cycle and for the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of three (3) weeks.

Should i boost up first week Tren to get better levels faster or nah?

No. That sort of thing is never necessary.

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A truism: Less is more.

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Too, chrisr, what did you have planned for your PCT?

 

[gashred777]

That, to me, is too much gear. My best results relative to a test' and tren' cycle came while using a mere 300mg of tren' and 200mg of test' per week.




That would be a mistake. Take .05mg of caber' E3D throughout the cycle and PCT.




Yes, you should run HCG during the final week of the cycle and for the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of three (3) weeks.




No. That sort of thing is never necessary.

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Too, chrisr, what did you have planned for your PCT?

Eddie - how would you run the HCG in the case of short esters.....meaning ace and prop? I know you may not have run these, but just looking for your take on it.


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[chrisr]

Okay Eddie!
Thank you for your points, will lower the doses and will change the caber and wont front load

Pct was thinking I would run Nolva 60mg on first day, then 10 days at 40mg/day followed by further 10 days at 20mg/day. I would run the Clomid at 50mg/day throughout.
But will add in the HCG for balls

 

[OutlawV2]

I'm doing that cycle almost identical right now... Only i'm running 300 tren and 500 test.... Tren E and Test C

However how many times have you run tren???? Cause if you say its your first time, my answer is gonna be 400 mg is way more than you need....

What's ur cycle experience especially with trenbolone????

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Eddie - how would you run the HCG in the case of short esters.....meaning ace and prop? I know you may not have run these, but just looking for your take on it.


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Though I've never used short esters, shred, I would, in that case, run HCG twice per week and at 250IUs per injection rather than three times per week at 333IUs per injection.

So now you have me wondering as to which ester chrisr will be using.
chrisr?

 

[gashred777]

Though I've never used short esters, shred, I would, in that case, run HCG twice per week and at 250IUs per injection rather than three times per week at 333IUs per injection.

So now you have me wondering as to which ester chrisr will be using.
chrisr?

And when would would start and stop it? Considering pct would begin literally days after last pin.


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[Eddie Haskell]

And when would would start and stop it? Considering pct would begin literally days after last pin.


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I just called a friend of mine who uses nothing but short-acting esters (we''ll call him Peter Pin Cushion), and he - Peter Pin Cushion - told me that when he uses HCG, he starts it during the final week of a cycle, and ends its use at the end of the following week for a total of two weeks and four injections.
Peter Pin Cushion uses 500IUs for each injection. But I think that 250IUs per injection would suffice.

 

[gashred777]

I just called a friend of mine who uses nothing but short-acting esters (we''ll call him Peter Pin Cushion), and he - Peter Pin Cushion - told me that when he uses HCG, he starts it during the final week of a cycle, and ends its use at the end of the following week for a total of two weeks and four injections.
Peter Pin Cushion uses 500IUs for each injection. But I think that 250IUs per injection would suffice.

So if I’m thinking about it correctly.....he is still using HCG (2nd week of it) for a few days at the beginning of his PCT?


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[Eddie Haskell]

Okay Eddie!
Thank you for your points, will lower the doses and will change the caber and wont front load

Pct was thinking I would run Nolva 60mg on first day, then 10 days at 40mg/day followed by further 10 days at 20mg/day. I would run the Clomid at 50mg/day throughout.
But will add in the HCG for balls

I will suggest that you run your PCT in the following fashion, chrisr:

Clomid: 50/50/25/25
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD from the beginning of the cycle until the end of PCT.


Esters, chrisr?

 

[gashred777]

So if I’m thinking about it correctly.....he is still using HCG (2nd week of it) for a few days at the beginning of his PCT?


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Peter Pin Cushion lol....that’s funny

But if you think about it....if you’re pinning a short ester 3 times per week, that is only one additional time per week in comparison to longer esters. However, you can run a slightly shorter overall cycle as the compound is in your body, at high concentrations, much quicker (almost immediately). So net net, the number of pins is almost identical.


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[Eddie Haskell]

So if I’m thinking about it correctly.....he is still using HCG (2nd week of it) for a few days at the beginning of his PCT?


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No, it would be a full week prior to the onset of PCT.

 

[gashred777]

No, it would be a full week prior to the onset of PCT.

So, he does not pct for an entire week after last pin?


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[Eddie Haskell]

So, he does not pct for an entire week after last pin?


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If I understand your question correctly, no, Peter Pin Cushion uses HCG during the final week of a cycle and for the first week of the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of two weeks rather than the more traditional aggregate total of three weeks.

 

[gashred777]

If I understand your question correctly, no, Peter Pin Cushion uses HCG during the final week of a cycle and for the first week of the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of two weeks rather than the more traditional aggregate total of three weeks.

Well....the 2 week wait to begin PCT would only be applicable to longer esters, as they take longer to clear. The short esters would clear the system MUCH quicker, thus PCT would begin sooner.


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[Eddie Haskell]

Ah, gashred777 now has 777 posts! That's so cute!

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Well the was seconds too late, eh?

 

[gashred777]

Ah, gashred777 now has 777 posts! That's so cute!

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Well the was seconds too late, eh?

It’s the effort that counts


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[chrisr]

I will suggest that you run your PCT in the following fashion, chrisr:

Clomid: 50/50/25/25
Nolva: 40/20/20/20
Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD from the beginning of the cycle until the end of PCT.


Esters, chrisr?

Oh will go for the classic working method then, but can i use arimidex and not aromasin?

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[Eddie Haskell]

Well....the 2 week wait to begin PCT would only be applicable to longer esters, as they take longer to clear. The short esters would clear the system MUCH quicker, thus PCT would begin sooner.


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Yes, theoretically speaking, and owing to the employment of short-acting esters, PCT could be initiated sooner than three weeks before the onset of PCT. But Peter Pin Cushion doesn't see it that way. And he's the one with a bunch of plastic adorning his shelves, not lil' ol' me.

 

[gashred777]

Yes, theoretically speaking, and owing to the employment of short-acting esters, PCT could be initiated sooner than three weeks before the onset of PCT. But Peter Pin Cushion doesn't see it that way. And he's the one with a bunch of plastic adorning his shelves, not lil' ol' me.

I’m not sure I understood that last post, Eddie. Can you elaborate? It’s probably me


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[Eddie Haskell]

Oh will go for the classic working method then, but can i use arimidex and not aromasin?

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If you're not all that sensitive to estrogen-sides, then you could get away with arimidex. But, in my opinion, aromasin is much more of a "sure thing" vis-a-vis such sides.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I’m not sure I understood that last post, Eddie. Can you elaborate?


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Well, again, Peter Pin Cushion uses HCG during the final week of a cycle and for the first week of the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of two weeks rather than the more traditional aggregate total of three weeks.
Therefore, in view of the fact that the synthetic testosterone he used during the cycle has cleared his system by the time of his final injection of HCG, yes, he could and probably should begin his PCT at the end of that two week period of time. But he doesn't.

It’s probably me.[/UOTE]

Or not.

 

[Gruntwerkz]

If you're not all that sensitive to estrogen-sides, then you could get away with arimidex. But, in my opinion, aromasin is much more of a "sure thing" vis-a-vis such sides.

I agree, I use arimidex time to time but no matter how you slice it aromasin is the best AI.

Aromasin has some cool traits of its own, first of all even though it’s very strong it seems to be a lot harder to crush your e2 on it - and of course no one wants a crushed e2. This is my personal experience obviously but it appears that aromasin is just as good as reducing e2 when it’s high as any other AI well having less of an effect once e2 is low, so harder to crash on it. Then you have the facts that aromasin is less toxic to the lipid profile then letro/adex, helps raise IGF1, and well all AIs can do this, it increase free T the most.

Aromasin is the most advanced AI we have and should be to the goto for any typical cycle, letro of course has its place if you sprout boobs.

 

[gashred777]

Well, again, Peter Pin Cushion uses HCG during the final week of a cycle and for the first week of the two weeks leading up to the beginning of PCT for an aggregate total of two weeks rather than the more traditional aggregate total of three weeks.
Therefore, in view of the fact that the synthetic testosterone he used during the cycle has cleared his system by the time of his final injection of HCG, yes, he could and probably should begin his PCT at the end of that two week period of time. But he doesn't.

It’s probably me.[/UOTE]

Or not.

Makes sense to me now. Thanks, Eddie.


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[gashred777]

That’s weird..... on my phone, it shows that I replied to my own post that Eddie actually wrote in response to me. Technology.....


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[Eddie Haskell]

That’s weird..... on my phone, it shows that I replied to my own post that Eddie actually wrote in response to me. Technology.....


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The internet is a strange, uh, place?

 

[gashred777]

The internet is a strange, uh, place?

For sure


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[chrisr]

I agree, I use arimidex time to time but no matter how you slice it aromasin is the best AI.

Aromasin has some cool traits of its own, first of all even though it’s very strong it seems to be a lot harder to crush your e2 on it - and of course no one wants a crushed e2. This is my personal experience obviously but it appears that aromasin is just as good as reducing e2 when it’s high as any other AI well having less of an effect once e2 is low, so harder to crash on it. Then you have the facts that aromasin is less toxic to the lipid profile then letro/adex, helps raise IGF1, and well all AIs can do this, it increase free T the most.

Aromasin is the most advanced AI we have and should be to the goto for any typical cycle, letro of course has its place if you sprout boobs.

Gotcha, thank you!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I agree, I use arimidex time to time but no matter how you slice it aromasin is the best AI.

Aromasin has some cool traits of its own, first of all even though it’s very strong it seems to be a lot harder to crush your e2 on it - and of course no one wants a crushed e2. This is my personal experience obviously but it appears that aromasin is just as good as reducing e2 when it’s high as any other AI well having less of an effect once e2 is low, so harder to crash on it. Then you have the facts that aromasin is less toxic to the lipid profile then letro/adex, helps raise IGF1, and well all AIs can do this, it increase free T the most.

Aromasin is the most advanced AI we have and should be to the goto for any typical cycle, letro of course has its place if you sprout boobs.

Thank you, Gruntwerkz. That was quite informative.
I understand precious little of the science behind aromasin. However, I do know that I haven't suffered so much as the slightest estrogen-related side-effect since I began using it eight or nine years ago. Compare that with the fact that I often experienced at least some degree of estrogen-related sides while using arimidex, and you understand why I always recommend the use of aromasin. (All of you assholes who "never have estrogen sides" notwithstanding ;-) )

 

[gashred777]

Thank you, Gruntwerkz. That was quite informative.
I understand precious little of the science behind aromasin. However, I do know that I haven't suffered so much as the slightest estrogen-related side-effect since I began using it eight or nine years ago. Compare that with the fact that I often experienced at least some degree of estrogen-related sides while using arimidex, and you understand why I always recommend the use of aromasin. (All of you assholes who "never have estrogen sides" notwithstanding ;-) )

Agree

Great info, Grunt.


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[Gruntwerkz]

Thank you, Gruntwerkz. That was quite informative.
I understand precious little of the science behind aromasin. However, I do know that I haven't suffered so much as the slightest estrogen-related side-effect since I began using it eight or nine years ago. Compare that with the fact that I often experienced at least some degree of estrogen-related sides while using arimidex, and you understand why I always recommend the use of aromasin. (All of you assholes who "never have estrogen sides" notwithstanding ;-) )

Aromasin is really a unique and great compound, I think there’s a lot too it that we don’t yet understand honestly.

I knew a guy who used to run it time to time all alone, 12.5mg EOD and he loved it. I asked him him to see blood work before and after, made some pretty nice changes honestly - this is running no gear.

Also if you go read on pub med you’ll see the studies on IGF1 and free T you’ll see it’s quite positive results.

And of course we all know it’s a suicide inhibitor so the lack of e2 rebound rapidly is great.

I would only use this AI in PCT too... arimidex can actually mess your PCT up a bit.

Agree

Great info, Grunt.


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[Eddie Haskell]

Aromasin is really a unique and great compound, I think there’s a lot too it that we don’t yet understand honestly.

I knew a guy who used to run it time to time all alone, 12.5mg EOD and he loved it. I asked him him to see blood work before and after, made some pretty nice changes honestly - this is running no gear.

Also if you go read on pub med you’ll see the studies on IGF1 and free T you’ll see it’s quite positive results.

And of course we all know it’s a suicide inhibitor so the lack of e2 rebound rapidly is great.

I would only use this AI in PCT too... arimidex can actually mess your PCT up a bit.

I knew a guy who used to run it time to time all alone, 12.5mg EOD and he loved it. I asked him to see blood work before and after, made some pretty nice changes honestly - this is running no gear.

Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. Aromasin is known to raise free test' levels during cycle. So why would it not also raise free test' levels off cycle? (Rhetorical.)
This would appear to eliminate the need for sildenafil and the like while off cycle. Interesting.

Thank you again, Grunt.

 

[stevesmi]

many different ways to use tren because the fact is tren doesn't need to be stacked with anything to be effective.

you can literally use 200mg a week that is all and have crazy results

 

[Eddie Haskell]

many different ways to use tren because the fact is tren doesn't need to be stacked with anything to be effective.

That's true. It should be noted, however, that running other compounds in conjunction with tren', if even only a small amount of test', tends to reduce the likelihood of developing "tren' cough," especially as tren'cough has to do with tren' a.

you can literally use 200mg a week that is all and have crazy results

That is for sure.

 

[Mobster]

Oh will go for the classic working method then, but can i use arimidex and not aromasin?

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I'm glad to see an AI being included.

 

[muskate]

many different ways to use tren because the fact is tren doesn't need to be stacked with anything to be effective.

you can literally use 200mg a week that is all and have crazy results

Yes. Tren is very androgenic so you don't need to stack it with anything.

I would run the tren by itself. If you want to stack it with something, stack it with an anabolic like anavar/EQ

 

[Gruntwerkz]

Yes. Tren is very androgenic so you don't need to stack it with anything.

I would run the tren by itself. If you want to stack it with something, stack it with an anabolic like anavar/EQ

Not even TRT with the tren? I thought sexual function can get messed with if you didn’t use at least TRT. I know on deca I feel better with TRT (and proviron) and deca then just deca alone.

 

[gashred777]

Not even TRT with the tren? I thought sexual function can get messed with if you didn’t use at least TRT. I know on deca I feel better with TRT (and proviron) and deca then just deca alone.

This is what I thought too. I was under the impression that at least a TRT dose was recommended, just to ensure that your body performed at an optimal level considering test does MORE than just fuel sex drive and build muscle.


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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

This is what I thought too. I was under the impression that at least a TRT dose was recommended, just to ensure that your body performed at an optimal level considering test does MORE than just fuel sex drive and build muscle.


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I prefer to run a low dose of test with tren but you really don't have to. Tren is so much more androgenic than test so I cant see how you wouldn't be able to function sexually. You need the androgenic effect, not necessarily the test.

 

[darkz]

This is what I thought too. I was under the impression that at least a TRT dose was recommended, just to ensure that your body performed at an optimal level considering test does MORE than just fuel sex drive and build muscle.


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Your impression was right, biologically speaking anyway, testosterone IS needed for normal reproductive and sexual function so if you don't supplement with exogenous test and you run into possible sexual issues it will take a horribly long time to recover because tren is just that harsh, I mean no one runs oral only cycles so why would anyone run the harshest injectable only? You may be one of the lucky ones who can run it solo no issue but I'd always err' on the side of caution and run a TRT dosage (because you could argue all day that higher test dosages exacerbate tren's side effects) at least with some proviron, sexual function is too important. Plus I couldn't think of a worse cycle for reducing your chances of your natural test recovering than tren only, not saying someone won't recover but surely tren only gives you the best chance of developing hypogonadism?