FIRST CYCLE , TEST E AND TREN A (14 WEEKS)

[WEAKGUY_16974]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

 

[Allupfromhere]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

So your starting to experience side effects now and you want to increase the dose? Lol.

No brother, if shit is starting to surface now increasing gear will further increase side effects not result.

Dont use drugs to make up for a bad structure in training or nutrition. Is this you? Maybe and maybe not, you haven't given us any real information to work off.

You 198lb at what height? Post a pic of your physique and just blur your face for privacy.

You want to lose fat/recomp.. easy work brother we can help you with this no worries but smashing gear isnt your answer.

Ped's are tools to enhance an effective and efficient working body. If your not at this stage why put your health and body under more systemic strain?

Your also 22 years old and respectfully don't know what you doing with gear.

Lets drop the tren and move test back to 250 at least.

Show us what your nutrition looks like and then what your training looks like also.

How to do this? Start up a log brother before you fuck up your health.

Have you had blood work done to see where your basline markers are at?
Do you know how to pct?

You have jumped the gun hard here legend but let us help you fix things and dial you in properly.

@LevButlerov

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

HI THERE , MY HEIGHT IS 174 CM, I DID NOT MENTION ANYWHERE THAT I AM GETTING ANY SIDES , PLZ CHECK AGAIN I SAID I AM HAVING NO SIDES WITH 350 TEST SO IS IT THE RIGHT INDICATION TO UP THE DOSE AND ALSO TREN I STARTED 10MG A DAY ON WEDNESDAY , SO HOW TO KEEP A CHECK THAT WHEN CAN I UP THE DOSE , MY BODY KIND OF EASILY GAINS FAT AND ITS VERY HARD FOR ME TO LOSE FAT , RIGHT NOW I AM BEING VERY DIALED IN WITH MY DIET LIKE USING A MINI WEIGHING SCALE AND ALSO I WILL TRY TO POST A PICTURE AS WELL, ALSO MY BASELINE TEST BEFORE CYCLE WAS TOTAL T 12.8 NMOL/L AND FREE T 372 PMOL/L , ALSO FOR PCT , I WILL USE CLOMID AND NOLVA .

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

So your starting to experience side effects now and you want to increase the dose? Lol.

No brother, if shit is starting to surface now increasing gear will further increase side effects not result.

Dont use drugs to make up for a bad structure in training or nutrition. Is this you? Maybe and maybe not, you haven't given us any real information to work off.

You 198lb at what height? Post a pic of your physique and just blur your face for privacy.

You want to lose fat/recomp.. easy work brother we can help you with this no worries but smashing gear isnt your answer.

Ped's are tools to enhance an effective and efficient working body. If your not at this stage why put your health and body under more systemic strain?

Your also 22 years old and respectfully don't know what you doing with gear.

Lets drop the tren and move test back to 250 at least.

Show us what your nutrition looks like and then what your training looks like also.

How to do this? Start up a log brother before you fuck up your health.

Have you had blood work done to see where your basline markers are at?
Do you know how to pct?

You have jumped the gun hard here legend but let us help you fix things and dial you in properly.

@LevButlerov

ALSO I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN AND NEED ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS

 

[Allupfromhere]

I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW

Sorry bro i missunderstood this part.
You dont need to type all in capitals too legend its a little intense lol.

All good bro glad to here your diet is dialled in. Whats your current macros?

And my opinion stil stands you dont need to up the dose regardles. You need time for results to come not more gear

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Sorry bro i missunderstood this part.
You dont need to type all in capitals to legend its a little intense lol.

All good bro glad to here your diet is dialled in. Whats your current macros?

And my opinion stil stands you dont need to up the dose regardles. You need time for results to come not more gear

firstly ,THANKS for the advise that no need to up the dose . secondly, tbh I am not much aware of what total macros gather up on my current diet as I am aiming to be on cal deficit primarily and also trying to hit my protein intake above 150g a day . not an excuse , but i live with my parents and have a job and doing college degree so trying my best to stay dialed in and being responsible in terms of gear use and this diet thing but not able to track exact macros every day but trying to get protein intake above 150 a day .

 

[Allupfromhere]

ALSO I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN AND NEED ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS

Macros look pretty decent mate i semi broke it down for you. But calories can be easily lost and is best tracked on an app like cronometer.

Daily totals (approximate)
Calories: 2000–2200 kcal
Protein: 180–200g
Carbs: 180–220g
Fats: 55–65g

So lets move foward again now as nutrition looks reasonable. Though i would push protein up a little more.

What supplements are you taking?
Have you done any blood work?
Cardio each week?

I know you asking for advice, im trying to give it to you some lol. No veteran or pro is going to tell you too take tren at 22 bro lol thats facts and if they do they're fucking stupid and have no concern for your health.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Macros look pretty decent mate i semi broke it down for you.

Daily totals (approximate)
Calories: 2000–2200 kcal
Protein: 180–200g
Carbs: 180–220g
Fats: 55–65g

So lets move foward again now as nutrition looks reasonable. Though i would push protein up a little more.

What supplements are you taking?
Have you done any blood work?
Cardio each week?

I know you asking for advice, im trying to give it to you some lol. No veteran or pro is going to tell you too take tren at 22 bro lol thats facts and if they do they're fucking stupid and have no concern for your health.

only supplements I am taking right now is fish oil and vitamin d 2500 a capsule , cardio is every day after the lift like atleast 15 minutes, also I have a kitchen worker job so its mostly standing or walking for 6-7 hours but even on rest days off days from job , i try to get in 5000-7000 ssteps , blood work recently done was just the test levels , complete blood work was done almost 8 -9 months back and doc said it was perfect and nothing to worry

 

[Allupfromhere]

So your very active which is a great thing when in a fat loss phase.
Output and diet look good from what your telling me, another bonus here.

Did you have your estrogen tested at the same time as your most recent tests?

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

So your very active which is a great thing when in a fat loss phase.
Output and diet look good from what your telling me, another bonus here.

Did you have your estrogen tested at the same time as your most recent tests?

no estrogen was not tested at that time , also i feel the increase in strength a bit even being on cal deficit but cosmetic effect is not yet there .

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

So your very active which is a great thing when in a fat loss phase.
Output and diet look good from what your telling me, another bonus here.

Did you have your estrogen tested at the same time as your most recent tests?

also the libido is higher and can say a bit increase in confidence but the body itself does not say that I am on gear , as its my first cycle idk when the cosmetic effects really hit but I know test e is a long acting so it takes time to get stable levels in the blood. I have arimidex on hand as for safety of high e2 but no signs of that like i check my nipples very often nothing like gyno right now or itchy nipples , no special mood swings .

 

[Allupfromhere]

also the libido is higher and can say a bit increase in confidence but the body itself does not say that I am on gear , as its my first cycle idk when the cosmetic effects really hit but I know test e is a long acting so it takes time to get stable levels in the blood. I have arimidex on hand as for safety of high e2 but no signs of that like i check my nipples very often nothing like gyno right now or itchy nipples , no special mood swings .

Ok brother now we're starting to get somewhere this is good

The truth here bro is you are not going to see drastic changes in 3 weeks.. i highly recommend you drop the tren also as this will only complicate things for you and honestly has no place in a first cycle whatsoever.
I say this as i genuinely care about your health at a young age. Im not trying to slow your gains or progress so please dont take it that way.

Are you too young to be on cycle? Yes.
Do i still want to help you with this cycle? Of course i do.

But lets take a step back here, ill lay out how this is all appearing on paper.

350mg weekly test e - lets stay here the whole cycle.

Arimidex on hand - good.

Macros, from a quick assessment - pretty good.

You dont need to be training 6 days a week.
However lets get some workouts up over the next few day so we can see your structure and see what we can dial in on.

Importantly whats you sleep look like? Are you getting 7-8 hours of quality sleep a night?

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Ok brother now we're starting to get somewhere this is good

The truth here bro is you are not going to see drastic changes in 3 weeks.. i highly recommend you drop the tren also as this will only complicate things for you and honestly has no place in a first cycle whatsoever.
I say this as i genuinely care about your health at a young age. Im not trying to slow your gains or progress so please dont take it that way.

Are you too young to be on cycle? Yes.
Do i still want to help you with this cycle? Of course i do.

But lets take a step back here, ill lay out how this is all appearing on paper.

350mg weekly test e - lets stay here the whole cycle.

Arimidex on hand - good.

Macros, from a quick assessment - pretty good.

You dont need to be training 6 days a week.
However lets get some workouts up over the next few day so we can see your structure and see what we can dial in on.

Importantly whats you sleep look like? Are you getting 7-8 hours of quality sleep a night?

However lets get some workouts up over the next few day so we can see your structure and see what we can dial in on. what do you mean by this
yeah sleep is good , no problems in that .

 

[Allupfromhere]

However lets get some workouts up over the next few day so we can see your structure and see what we can dial in on. what do you mean by this
yeah sleep is good , no problems in that .

Do you log your workouts brother? Like in notes on your phone or in a note book?

Whats your current split?

Show us the layouts of your workouts. Show the exercises you doing, how many reps and sets and what weight for each.

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Ok brother now we're starting to get somewhere this is good

The truth here bro is you are not going to see drastic changes in 3 weeks.. i highly recommend you drop the tren also as this will only complicate things for you and honestly has no place in a first cycle whatsoever.
I say this as i genuinely care about your health at a young age. Im not trying to slow your gains or progress so please dont take it that way.

Are you too young to be on cycle? Yes.
Do i still want to help you with this cycle? Of course i do.

But lets take a step back here, ill lay out how this is all appearing on paper.

350mg weekly test e - lets stay here the whole cycle.

Arimidex on hand - good.

Macros, from a quick assessment - pretty good.

You dont need to be training 6 days a week.
However lets get some workouts up over the next few day so we can see your structure and see what we can dial in on.

Importantly whats you sleep look like? Are you getting 7-8 hours of quality sleep a night?

also thanks for your concern , guidance and real advice , appreciate it

 

[Allupfromhere]

also thanks for your concern , guidance and real advice , appreciate it

We are here to help at evo brother so I'm glad you have come here looking for good guidance then running this on your own.

We want to help you become an animal, in the safest and healthiest way possible.

Heres a link to my log, just as an example of how i log my training sessions.

Post in thread '2026 Building and Growth Bodybuilding Log' https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...d-growth-bodybuilding-log.108620/post-1947150

 

[Allupfromhere]

You should also start you own log so we can help you each day, the more information we have day to day the more accurately we can continue to help you make sense?
You can call it my first testosterone cycle Log. Have a look at the first post on my log to get an idea of how you can lay out your intro

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Do you log your workouts brother? Like in notes on your phone or in a note book?

Whats your current split?

Show us the layouts of your workouts. Show the exercises you doing, how many reps and sets and what weight for each.

i dont log them , but i remember them , its shoulder legs , chest tris , back bis
chest ; 4 exercises some sort of incline press try to go heavy on it as much as possible for 6 rep range , then two sets of chest press machine very close to failure , pec deck two sets close to failure ( drop set on the 2nd set) and then high to low cable flies 2 sets close to failure ( drop set on the second one)
back : lat pulldown two exercises for rowing , try to go as heavy as possible while touch 6 rep range , 2 vertical lat pull downs , one is underhand machine and other one is normal lat pulldown , all exercises except for one have 2 sets close to failure and some inlude 2nd set pushed into drop set
shoulders : machine lateral raises two sets close to failure with some partials or second set turned into drop set , reverse peck deck 2 sets close to failure with second set turned into a firther drop set , any kind of shoulder press trying to go heavy towards 6 rep range and then any kind of shrugs three sets close to failure lasts set turns into drop set
legs : leg extension , leg press, normal squat either on barbell or smith machine and then a machine squat as well and then hamstring curls ( 6 rep range only for squat variations and other exercises aiming for 8-12 reps and all of them have 3 working sets , leg extensions and hamstrings often include a drop set)
bicep ; two sets of dumbell curl superset with preacher curl two sets hitting failure and then two sets of hammer curls super set with same preacher curl
tricep; laying down overhead tricep extension with barbell , rope pushdowns , straight bar pushdowns and over head extensions standing with cables , all of the 2 to 3 sets close to failure .

 

[Allupfromhere]

i dont log them , but i remember them , its shoulder legs , chest tris , back bis
chest ; 4 exercises some sort of incline press try to go heavy on it as much as possible for 6 rep range , then two sets of chest press machine very close to failure , pec deck two sets close to failure ( drop set on the 2nd set) and then high to low cable flies 2 sets close to failure ( drop set on the second one)
back : lat pulldown two exercises for rowing , try to go as heavy as possible while touch 6 rep range , 2 vertical lat pull downs , one is underhand machine and other one is normal lat pulldown , all exercises except for one have 2 sets close to failure and some inlude 2nd set pushed into drop set
shoulders : machine lateral raises two sets close to failure with some partials or second set turned into drop set , reverse peck deck 2 sets close to failure with second set turned into a firther drop set , any kind of shoulder press trying to go heavy towards 6 rep range and then any kind of shrugs three sets close to failure lasts set turns into drop set
legs : leg extension , leg press, normal squat either on barbell or smith machine and then a machine squat as well and then hamstring curls ( 6 rep range only for squat variations and other exercises aiming for 8-12 reps and all of them have 3 working sets , leg extensions and hamstrings often include a drop set)
bicep ; two sets of dumbell curl superset with preacher curl two sets hitting failure and then two sets of hammer curls super set with same preacher curl
tricep; laying down overhead tricep extension with barbell , rope pushdowns , straight bar pushdowns and over head extensions standing with cables , all of the 2 to 3 sets close to failure .

Start loggin them im your notes on your phone brother. The more you track and measure the better your progress will be i guaranteed it.

Preparing for the best progress sets you up for exactly that. The best progress.

Get slack on the little things and you will get slack results.

Let get it brother keen to see you smash this proper

 

[LevButlerov]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

ALSO I AIM TO EAT 2000-2200 CALS A DAY , TRAIN 5-6 TIMES A WEEK DOUBLE BODY PART , ALSO CURRENTLY MY DIET IS BREAKFAST 30-40G OATS IN WATER WITH 5 EGGS OMELET , LUNCH MEAL IS AIR FRIED FRIES LIKE 150 G , AND AIR FRIED CHICKEN TENDERS AIMING FOR 30-40 GRAMS OF PROTEIN IN THIS MEAL , THEN ANOTHER MEAL WHICH IS EITHER 70 GRAMS OF WHITE RICE WITH 1.5 SCOOP OF PROTEIN OR WHITE RICE 100G WITH AROUND 150 G OF STIR FRIED CHICKEN WITH MINIMAL OIL POSSIBLE AND THEN DINNER MEAL IS AGAIN 150-200 G OF CHICKEN COOKED IN WATER AS ITS MARINATED AND THEN CARB SOURCE AROUND 150G OF WHITE RICE OR AIR FRIED FRIES OR MAYBE BOILED MACRONI . NO BS IN THIS JUST TELLING WHAT i AM DOING RN AND NEED ADVICE FROM SENIORS AND PROS

firstly ,THANKS for the advise that no need to up the dose . secondly, tbh I am not much aware of what total macros gather up on my current diet as I am aiming to be on cal deficit primarily and also trying to hit my protein intake above 150g a day . not an excuse , but i live with my parents and have a job and doing college degree so trying my best to stay dialed in and being responsible in terms of gear use and this diet thing but not able to track exact macros every day but trying to get protein intake above 150 a day .

i dont log them , but i remember them , its shoulder legs , chest tris , back bis
chest ; 4 exercises some sort of incline press try to go heavy on it as much as possible for 6 rep range , then two sets of chest press machine very close to failure , pec deck two sets close to failure ( drop set on the 2nd set) and then high to low cable flies 2 sets close to failure ( drop set on the second one)
back : lat pulldown two exercises for rowing , try to go as heavy as possible while touch 6 rep range , 2 vertical lat pull downs , one is underhand machine and other one is normal lat pulldown , all exercises except for one have 2 sets close to failure and some inlude 2nd set pushed into drop set
shoulders : machine lateral raises two sets close to failure with some partials or second set turned into drop set , reverse peck deck 2 sets close to failure with second set turned into a firther drop set , any kind of shoulder press trying to go heavy towards 6 rep range and then any kind of shrugs three sets close to failure lasts set turns into drop set
legs : leg extension , leg press, normal squat either on barbell or smith machine and then a machine squat as well and then hamstring curls ( 6 rep range only for squat variations and other exercises aiming for 8-12 reps and all of them have 3 working sets , leg extensions and hamstrings often include a drop set)
bicep ; two sets of dumbell curl superset with preacher curl two sets hitting failure and then two sets of hammer curls super set with same preacher curl
tricep; laying down overhead tricep extension with barbell , rope pushdowns , straight bar pushdowns and over head extensions standing with cables , all of the 2 to 3 sets close to failure .

Before we can help you at all you need to start a proper log now because you are already on test and added tren and we have zero info on your training, diet, sleep, cardio, or body fat trend. @WEAKGUY_16974
Take 15 minutes to post a log with daily food intake, bodyweight, training split and lifts, sleep, and sides so the EVO family can actually guide you instead of guessing while you experiment with compounds. its easy to do

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
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Please click the anabolic forum
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click that

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https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
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[stevesmi]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

At 22 years old it is not a good idea to use anabolic steroids at all, much less to use tren.
I wish you had posted before you started this experiment.

 

[ceo]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

Bros, it's good you are being honest. I like that. I got a lot of respect for that. You could have easily said you were 32 and not 22. At the end of the day you should post up a log and let's fix everything.

 

[Ulter]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

Well at 22 years old I can't tell you not to use because I used it when I was your age. I can say with tren it's not something you want to stay on for a long time.

 

[Coolguy]

Let's get a proper structured log so it doesn't hurt my head reading haha.
Not gonna lie my first cycle was 250 test then pushed to 500.
But that was heaps.
Remember as well more gear at your body comp doesn't do that much. That's why we recommend lower doses to start as you get more muscle maturity and size you will need to push the ped to get more results.
Keep tren out until to figure out how to mitigate sides what to look for etc.
Unfortunately you don't have the knowledge or understanding on how these compound work with your body what they do etc but we also don't expect you to it's things you learn from experience, reading logs and talking with people.

 

[Mobster]

Start by not using caps locks and then being on PEDs at age 22
Then post up diet and cardio info

 

[ballin2504]

What’s the bloodwork say

 

[WEAKGUY_16974]

Start loggin them im your notes on your phone brother. The more you track and measure the better your progress will be i guaranteed it.

Preparing for the best progress sets you up for exactly that. The best progress.

Get slack on the little things and you will get slack results.

Let get it brother keen to see you smash this p

What’s the bloodwork say

I mentioned the blood work in the LOG , no further bloodwork till now

 

[R.AP]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

Absolutely not brother, you'll find few people who think Tren is appropriate for a first cycle, and not as many who would even recommend tapering your test right now.


Drop the Tren
Dial in your nutrition
Focus on your health
Run the 350mg test
Progress nutrition until you're no longer able to maintain body composition.

350mg of test for a first cycle will see you considerable results, for a long time, if you look after yourself.

Get it wrong because you wanted to progress doses and play with harder compounds and you're off-cycle for health phase sooner and leaving gains on the table.

@LevButlerov

 

[ROIDDERS]

Tran is a bad idea at your situation. If you were a professional bodybuilder legitimately, that would be the only way I'd ever say to run Tran at your age.

 

[2Thick]

LOOKING FOR ADVICE FROM PROS AND SENIORS , I AM 22, MALE, CURRENT WEIGHT 198LBS . I STARTED TEST E 350 MG A WEEK AND RIGHT NOW FINISHING OFF MY 3RD WEEK , JUST RECENTLY ADDED TREN ACE THIS WEEK ON WED 10 MG/ DAY TBH JUST TO SEE WHAT THE HYPE TREN HYPE IS ALL ABOUT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT IS USEFUL IN FATLOSS CYCLES AND STRONGLY ANABOLIC . MY GOAL IS FATLOSS WHILE RETAINING MUSCLE AND MAYBE GAIN A BIT OF MUSCLE WHILE EATING IN A DEFICIT OR CLOSE TO MAINTENANCE . I HAVE FACED NO SIGNIFICANT SIDES ON 350 TEST LIKE NO GYNO OR LIKE BP TILL NOW , IS IT RIGHT TIME TO UP THE DOSE TO 400MG/WEEK AND ALSO HOW LONG SHOULD I WAIT FOR TREN ACE TO SEE WHETHER TO TITRATE THE DOSE UP. I HAVE KIND OF SHIT GENETICS AND ALSO FATLOSS FOR ME HAS BEEN A TOUGH TASK AND MY BODY EASILY STORES FAT . I NEED ADVICE . THANK YOU.

tren for a first cycle makes no sense. It's like getting a Lamborghini as your first car. Why don't you start slow man? Maybe do some Anavar or something as a first cycle, or maybe some SARMS or peptides.