Approved Log TRT and HGH for longevity Log

[OldButStrong]

Hey Lads

52 years old
5’11
108kg

Trt 120mg per week, split into 3, 40mg shots Mon, Wed, Fri.
Hgh 2iu 3 hours before bed from @Core Pharma.

I have dropped my T from 180 to 150 to now current 120 as when I introduced the hgh after a few weeks started getting similar to high E sides. Facial flushing and running hot all the time.
I believe this is caused by the hyperplasia I’m getting from the hgh causing the anabolic to be attached to the new created cells. Thus needing less testosterone.

Lifts
120 bench for 5
220 deadlift for 3
180 back squat for 7
RDL 140 for 5
Bent over row 120 for 5

Accessories chins, rear delts, bi’s and tri’s.
Above done in a 10 day cycle.
1 day on, one day off.

Calories around 2500
Protein 200
Carb 200
Rest in fats

Dropping the heavy lifting now as always sore, lacking mobility and getting constant niggles.
Will do the above exercises at 60 to 70 percent of the above weights and work up to one set to failure.

My aim now at 52 is to feel good, be strong, look good and function well in my 60’s.

Regards Lads.

 

[Core Pharma]

Killing it brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey Lads

52 years old
5’11
108kg

Trt 120mg per week, split into 3, 40mg shots Mon, Wed, Fri.
Hgh 2iu 3 hours before bed from @Core Pharma.

I have dropped my T from 180 to 150 to now current 120 as when I introduced the hgh after a few weeks started getting similar to high E sides. Facial flushing and running hot all the time.
I believe this is caused by the hyperplasia I’m getting from the hgh causing the anabolic to be attached to the new created cells. Thus needing less testosterone.

Lifts
120 bench for 5
220 deadlift for 3
180 back squat for 7
RDL 140 for 5
Bent over row 120 for 5

Accessories chins, rear delts, bi’s and tri’s.
Above done in a 10 day cycle.
1 day on, one day off.

Calories around 2500
Protein 200
Carb 200
Rest in fats

Dropping the heavy lifting now as always sore, lacking mobility and getting constant niggles.
Will do the above exercises at 60 to 70 percent of the above weights and work up to one set to failure.

My aim now at 52 is to feel good, be strong, look good and function well in my 60’s.

Regards Lads.

@Nightrod welcome welcome the big EVO family is happy to see an older guys sharing and changing his life and health
thanks for the start of the share

Cycle
The high estrogen sides from 180mgs testosterone? possible but not very likely
do you have any bloods for the E2/prolactin?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more

 

[OldButStrong]

@Nightrod welcome welcome the big EVO family is happy to see an older guys sharing and changing his life and health
thanks for the start of the share

Cycle
The high estrogen sides from 180mgs testosterone? possible but not very likely
do you have any bloods for the E2/prolactin?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more

@LevButlerov
No bloods atm.
Donated a couple of days ago.
Haemoglobin 148
BP 142 over 82. Small cuff used. Need a bigger cuff to be more accurate.

Your thoughts on needing less testosterone because of the introduced HGH?

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov
No bloods atm.
Donated a couple of days ago.
Haemoglobin 148
BP 142 over 82. Small cuff used. Need a bigger cuff to be more accurate.

Your thoughts on needing less testosterone because of the introduced HGH?

@OldButStrong, in your situation since you are talking about longevity, part of longevity and health is understanding your blood work, I think you would agree, knowing your vitals is crucial to make healthy adjustments.

Blood work
Can you please get bloods in about 7-10 days? wait for RBC to recover post-blood donation

BP
meanwhile, your Haemoglobin 148 is in range but your BP is way too high, can you remeasure?

Testosterone
I would stick to 150mgs testosterone/week and 2 IUs of hgh until we get bloods and until you can give us more info about your please

Please start updating on the list I posted above when you get the chance thanks

@Nightrod welcome welcome the big EVO family is happy to see an older guys sharing and changing his life and health
thanks for the start of the share

Cycle
The high estrogen sides from 180mgs testosterone? possible but not very likely
do you have any bloods for the E2/prolactin?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more

 

[OldButStrong]

Diet
Red meat
Chicken thigh
Lots of vegetables, especially greens.
Fruit occasionally

My wife makes a version of Stan’s monster mash beef mince, frozen veg, white rice and sweet potatoes

Supps
Vit D 5000iu
Mag 1500
Zinc 50mg
Cialis EOD 5mg
Phylum husk morning and night.

Pics to come.

Regards

 

[OldButStrong]

Starting next week T 150mg per. Split into 3 shots 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri.

Up from 120mg per week.

HGH 2iu, 3 hours before bed, 7 days a week.

 

[LevButlerov]

Diet
Red meat
Chicken thigh
Lots of vegetables, especially greens.
Fruit occasionally

My wife makes a version of Stan’s monster mash beef mince, frozen veg, white rice and sweet potatoes

Supps
Vit D 5000iu
Mag 1500
Zinc 50mg
Cialis EOD 5mg
Phylum husk morning and night.

Pics to come.

Regards

Starting next week T 150mg per. Split into 3 shots 50mg Mon, Wed, Fri.

Up from 120mg per week.

HGH 2iu, 3 hours before bed, 7 days a week.

@OldButStrong would be good to get actual diet, you saying you doing red meat daily? how about fasting days?

and you have bloods coming?

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong would be good to get actual diet, you saying you doing red meat daily? how about fasting days?

and you have bloods coming?

@LevButlerov. I don’t actually have one.
I don’t diet because I know what’s good for me, I alternate red meat and chicken thigh generally weekly. And some weeks it’s a mix.
I don’t mind eating the same thing everyday. Like the monster mash for example.
I understand my calorie and macronutrient profile to a good point.
Mainly aiming for high protein and vegetables for carb/fibre and micronutrients.

Bloods I will have done but give life’s complexities. Work, kids, wife, training etc and finding a good doc here.
I don’t see a doc for things/ typical
Bloke. However I will before Xmas.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov. I don’t actually have one.
I don’t diet because I know what’s good for me, I alternate red meat and chicken thigh generally weekly. And some weeks it’s a mix.
I don’t mind eating the same thing everyday. Like the monster mash for example.
I understand my calorie and macronutrient profile to a good point.
Mainly aiming for high protein and vegetables for carb/fibre and micronutrients.

Bloods I will have done but give life’s complexities. Work, kids, wife, training etc and finding a good doc here.
I don’t see a doc for things/ typical
Bloke. However I will before Xmas.

@OldButStrong you can get private bloods?

on the diet, how about we talk a bit fasting, you talk about longevity right? so to start if you're for example doing high saturated fat and glucose/carbs, this is bad for hgh and longevity.
Can you do fasting? lets say 16/8 to start IF

 

[stevesmi]

That's an awesome start to this log and I like your goals

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong you can get private bloods?

on the diet, how about we talk a bit fasting, you talk about longevity right? so to start if you're for example doing high saturated fat and glucose/carbs, this is bad for hgh and longevity.
Can you do fasting? lets say 16/8 to start IF

Thanks @stevesmi

@LevButlerov
I have done fasting 16/8 and 24 once a week fasting. Carb backloading. Keto etc.
all for 6 months at a time to really give it a go. Lost shit loads of weight including muscle. And felt great.

However this is not living for me bro.

Example I have 3 children and 15 nieces and nephews. Tonight one has a bday and I will eat whatever, cake, killer pythons etc. With absolutely no shame .

At this stage of life I want as stated above. But also don’t wanna be that guy at the party with his chicken, rice and broccoli bowl.

This is why I now I’m close to 90/10% eating clean.

Are we worrying about the saturated fats mixed with the low glycemic carbs?

 

[OldButStrong]

That's an awesome start to this log and I like your goals

@stevesmi

Appreciate any feedback you may offer bro.

 

[OldButStrong]

Up from 105 to 108kg with 2iu of hgh per day.

 

[Mobster]

Interesting idea re the T vs GH balance

 

[OldButStrong]

Interesting idea re the T vs GH balance

@Mobster
Hey mate.

As in possibly needing less T due the hyperplasia from the gh?

 

[Quadsweep]

I can respect your honesty when it comes to the nutrition
but it seems like you're a little too hung up on junk food being tasty and it's not

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro for me a steak good tasting
especially grassfed steak

 

[JasonPriest]

you are definitely built very strong with your physique
following a 90/10 diet is perfectly fine I think you're being hard on yourself

 

[Wootoom]

considering most people in North America eat 0% healthy
I would say if you stick to 90% that's pretty good

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

good start to this log
I don't think fasting though is not living
you can be more flexible eating in a window anyway

 

[2Thick]

you have to when it comes to aging avoid the true junk Foods
sugar is the absolute killer

 

[e2]

I would advise you if you go to a birthday party for example
eat maybe a couple bites of the cake and throw the rest out

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks @stevesmi

@LevButlerov
I have done fasting 16/8 and 24 once a week fasting. Carb backloading. Keto etc.
all for 6 months at a time to really give it a go. Lost shit loads of weight including muscle. And felt great.

However this is not living for me bro.

Example I have 3 children and 15 nieces and nephews. Tonight one has a bday and I will eat whatever, cake, killer pythons etc. With absolutely no shame .

At this stage of life I want as stated above. But also don’t wanna be that guy at the party with his chicken, rice and broccoli bowl.

This is why I now I’m close to 90/10% eating clean.

Are we worrying about the saturated fats mixed with the low glycemic carbs?

Up from 105 to 108kg with 2iu of hgh per day.
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@OldButStrong first you look great, thick and big muscle mass you can easily cut down for longevity if you want
if you do go for it, I would say 30lbs drop easy if we work on it a bit

I'm not talking about major lifestyle changes or meal prep but lets say we start with extending fasting vs eating window, this way you enjoy same foods but get leaner and live longer, your goal longevity.

Overall thanks for sharing please update us more.

AND on HGH, it doesnt cause issues with Testosterone, thats a bit of a broscience.

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[Ulter]

your overall diet is A+
make sure you post up some pictures of that

 

[chesty]

You definitely have a lot of muscle mass on your frame
and you're pretty damn strong wow those numbers are in kilograms too

 

[ROIDDERS]

make sure you keep your trt at a safe number
if you overdose you can end up thickening your blood too much

 

[ceo]

bros don't forget to donate blood
help with some of these side effects you're dealing with

 

[OldButStrong]

Killing it br

@OldButStrong first you look great, thick and big muscle mass you can easily cut down for longevity if you want
if you do go for it, I would say 30lbs drop easy if we work on it a bit

I'm not talking about major lifestyle changes or meal prep but lets say we start with extending fasting vs eating window, this way you enjoy same foods but get leaner and live longer, your goal longevity.

Overall thanks for sharing please update us more.

AND on HGH, it doesnt cause issues with Testosterone, thats a bit of a broscience.

@LevButlerov

Roger that. I’ll give it a crack again.
16/8 ?
Calories in the window 2500 ?

 

[OldButStrong]

You definitely have a lot of muscle mass on your frame
and you're pretty damn strong wow those numbers are in kilograms too

@chesty
Yes sir kg
1 rep
Max is,

150 bent over row
160 RDL
235 Deadlift
200 back squat
140 bench.

Regards

 

[OldButStrong]

bros don't forget to donate blood
help with some of these side effects you're dealing with

I donate every quarter year.

 

[OldButStrong]

make sure you keep your trt at a safe number
if you overdose you can end up thickening your blood too much

Trt 150 per week.

 

[OldButStrong]

I would advise you if you go to a birthday party for example
eat maybe a couple bites of the cake and throw the rest out

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/GCTrHR3xKQrGaWnC/?mibextid=UalRPS

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov

Roger that. I’ll give it a crack again.
16/8 ?
Calories in the window 2500 ?

@OldButStrong sure lets try

16/8 is 16 hour fasting, 8 hour refeed window
calories not the biggest issue but you want to stick to around 10% lower than BMR for longevity
with at least 20% healthy fats omega 3

 

[LevButlerov]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/GCTrHR3xKQrGaWnC/?mibextid=UalRPS

sorry FB links blocked on the way out

 

[LevButlerov]

@chesty
Yes sir kg
1 rep
Max is,

150 bent over row
160 RDL
235 Deadlift
200 back squat
140 bench.

Regards

@OldButStrong those are strong lifts need to get cardio up though

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong sure lets try

16/8 is 16 hour fasting, 8 hour refeed window
calories not the biggest issue but you want to stick to around 10% lower than BMR for longevity
with at least 20% healthy fats omega 3

@LevButlerov

No protein shake in the 16 hour fast obviously ?

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov

No protein shake in the 16 hour fast obviously ?

no shakes yes, that would for sure increase your longevity @OldButStrong
autophagy is what you want in longevity and long life, which is what you'll get from IF 16/8 and maybe 18/6 down the line

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong those are strong lifts need to get cardio up though

@LevButlerov

Incline walking after every session.
15% incline, 15 minutes.

 

[OldButStrong]

16/8
Fasting started today.

Pic of a meals coming.

 

[OldButStrong]

 

[Noah Wixx]

You look great for your age, keep crushing it brother

 

[OldButStrong]

You look great for your age, keep crushing it brother

@Noah Wixx

Thanks brother.

 

[Noah Wixx]

@Noah Wixx

Thanks brother.

Anytime brother always here for help and support people in the evo community

 

[OldButStrong]

 

[ballin2504]

Nice start. You definitely have a strong build

 

[Eddie Haskell]

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@OldButStrong very tasty looking meal and high protein

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong very tasty looking meal and high protein

@Eddie Haskell

Thanks mate. Most people look and say looks like baby food . I got the idea for that kinda feeding through watching Stan Efferdings meal prep bro.
However it’s delicious add bacon to veggies and garlic and paprika to the mince.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@Eddie Haskell

Thanks mate. Most people look and say looks like baby food . I got the idea for that kinda feeding through watching Stan Efferdings meal prep bro.
However it’s delicious add bacon to veggies and garlic and paprika to the mince.

dont worry about most people @OldButStrong what matters is what the EVO family thinks and we love it
meal prep is the way to go for longevity and health

 

[OldButStrong]

Hey brothers

Can a couple fella chime in and give me a rough body fat % from the pic provided please.

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey Lads

52 years old
5’11
108kg

Trt 120mg per week, split into 3, 40mg shots Mon, Wed, Fri.
Hgh 2iu 3 hours before bed from @Core Pharma.

I have dropped my T from 180 to 150 to now current 120 as when I introduced the hgh after a few weeks started getting similar to high E sides. Facial flushing and running hot all the time.
I believe this is caused by the hyperplasia I’m getting from the hgh causing the anabolic to be attached to the new created cells. Thus needing less testosterone.

Lifts
120 bench for 5
220 deadlift for 3
180 back squat for 7
RDL 140 for 5
Bent over row 120 for 5

Accessories chins, rear delts, bi’s and tri’s.
Above done in a 10 day cycle.
1 day on, one day off.

Calories around 2500
Protein 200
Carb 200
Rest in fats

Dropping the heavy lifting now as always sore, lacking mobility and getting constant niggles.
Will do the above exercises at 60 to 70 percent of the above weights and work up to one set to failure.

My aim now at 52 is to feel good, be strong, look good and function well in my 60’s.

Regards Lads.

@OldButStrong try to get some stretching or yoga in!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hey brothers

Can a couple fella chime in and give me a rough body fat % from the pic provided please.

@OldButStrong you have a very strong muscle base thats a fact.
bodyfat a bit on the higher side 20-25% I would say.

For longevity, you want to be around 15-18% range closer to 15 the better, but not under 12% which is also not healthy long term.

 

[OldButStrong]

@OldButStrong you have a very strong muscle base thats a fact.
bodyfat a bit on the higher side 20-25% I would say.

For longevity, you want to be around 15-18% range closer to 15 the better, but not under 12% which is also not healthy long term.

@Eddie Haskell

I’m 108kg now.
If I aim for 95 ish kg.
Would I be closer to 15%
???

Regards

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@Eddie Haskell

I’m 108kg now.
If I aim for 95 ish kg.
Would I be closer to 15%
???

Regards

@OldButStrong I wouldn't target any weight per se so you dont put too much pressure on yourself, but 95kg is a very reasonable weight for you in terms of longevity.