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[Jingajinga]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

 

[Jingajinga]

Also turning this into a log.
Currently 42 Yo.
H - 180Cm
W - 118Kgs
About 20% Fat Atm.

Diet.
Roughly 250g P/ 300- 400g C/ 60g F daily

Gear protocol
250mg of test E all year round.

Workout

Monday: Upper
1 Arm Preacher curls Dbell: 16kg 16-18reps 5 sets
Plate loaded machine bench: 100kgs 15 reps 3 sets
Frontal raises: 8kgs 22-26 reps 3 sets
Single arm Cable Triceps extension: 12kgs 30- 50 reps 3 sets
Machine rows back: 55kgs 20 reps 3 sets.

Wes: quads
Leg press: 300 kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Legs extension: 125kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Standing Calf rises machine: 165kgs 22 reps 3 sets.

Fri same as mon.

Sat: Hammies
Lying hammy Curls: 165kgs 25 reps 3 sets
standing hammy curls: 55kgs 30 reps 3 sets
Sitting hammy curls: 125kgs 30 reps 3 sets
sitting Calf rises: 120kgs 30- 40 reps 3 sets.

Supplements:
Protein
Creatine

Note: My whole life have been revolve around the gym, all up i have been training for 25 years now and still going. It wasn't on and off as well, i never left the gym since the day i joined. But unfortunately after 2 decades my joint can no longer handle anything. I have grade 3 arthritis everywhere, literally lifted myself to disability. Hence the higher reps and mostly machines. I have been on gear now for 12 years straight normally 250mgs all years round unless i decide to compete, which i then move up to 500mg of test and add in another compound like tren. 1ml max. I'm never a big user but i do stay on. The last 5 years I'm having a lot of trouble controlling E2, i seen few few endos and they don't seem to even care about e2, one of them told me e2 is irrelevant so i had to get rid of him. Doctors here is clueless. I know the logical thing would be lower the dose, which i will do eventually + i really hate to use AI.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

@Jingajinga well some are elevated but you only tested this broly? you need to get 0.5mgs arimidex eod asap

and you dont get 60 alt from training and 250mgs test broly

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Also turning this into a log.
Currently 42 Yo.
H - 180Cm
W - 118Kgs
About 20% Fat Atm.

Diet.
Roughly 250g P/ 300- 400g C/ 60g F daily

Gear protocol
250mg of test E all year round.

Workout

Monday: Upper
1 Arm Preacher curls Dbell: 16kg 16-18reps 5 sets
Plate loaded machine bench: 100kgs 15 reps 3 sets
Frontal raises: 8kgs 22-26 reps 3 sets
Single arm Cable Triceps extension: 12kgs 30- 50 reps 3 sets
Machine rows back: 55kgs 20 reps 3 sets.

Wes: quads
Leg press: 300 kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Legs extension: 125kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Standing Calf rises machine: 165kgs 22 reps 3 sets.

Fri same as mon.

Sat: Hammies
Lying hammy Curls: 165kgs 25 reps 3 sets
standing hammy curls: 55kgs 30 reps 3 sets
Sitting hammy curls: 125kgs 30 reps 3 sets
sitting Calf rises: 120kgs 30- 40 reps 3 sets.

Supplements:
Protein
Creatine

Note: My whole life have been revolve around the gym, all up i have been training for 25 years now and still going. It wasn't on and off as well, i never left the gym since the day i joined. But unfortunately after 2 decades my joint can no longer handle anything. I have grade 3 arthritis everywhere, literally lifted myself to disability. Hence the higher reps and mostly machines. I have been on gear now for 12 years straight normally 250mgs all years round unless i decide to compete, which i then move up to 500mg of test and add in another compound like tren. 1ml max. I'm never a big user but i do stay on. The last 5 years I'm having a lot of trouble controlling E2, i seen few few endos and they don't seem to even care about e2, one of them told me e2 is irrelevant so i had to get rid of him. Doctors here is clueless. I know the logical thing would be lower the dose, which i will do eventually + i really hate to use AI.

welcome now broly this is a log now @Jingajinga but to fully make it a log please post a picture of you with face blurred so we can really understand you and see your base

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred (every 1-2 weeks)
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
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Podcast
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https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

thank you and share more

 

[stevesmi]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

the type of bloodwork he took was a very basic panel. same thing happened to me when my doctor pulled my last bloods.. so those don't include test levels. you need to ask him for a full hormone panel next time which includes test

 

[Mobster]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

How's the bodyfat?

 

[AusMade]

What's your pinning protocol?

Regular pins as posed to 1 weekly will help keep your levels steady and possibly help keep your e2 down abit.

My test sits around 42nmol on 250mg every 8 days, so 35 is abit low.

Also when you do your bloods vs when you pinned last plays a big role in the numbers man.

Could do 2 weekly adex for the next few weeks to drop that E level. Definitely abit higher than you'd want it to be.

 

[willipede]

Bodyfat can play a huge role in e2 conversion/ aromatisation.

Lower the test to 150-180mg pw pinning eod. Then re-test bloods after 4 weeks.

This should get e2 back in range, i would look into retatrutide to help with leaning out.

Ideally what you want to do is go to an actual TRT dose until you've leaned out before you start doing blasts/cycles

After all this, and your health markers in check you can move to a performance dose/cycle

 

[John Carmack]

Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L

35.8 is you Total T based on the lab range and unit - nmol/L
Assuming your Albumin to be 4.3 approx and SHBG 7, your free T can be calculated as 1360 pmol/L

Your Total T is indeed less given 250mg of test per week, but that is probably due to you being on 250 for a decade - I may be wrong or that gear is bust. But that 1360 free test is really good value. Its much higher than the reference ranage of usually 700 to 800.

Bio available test is what is available for your body to use which is almost 2.5X the reference range which is awesome.

Your E2 is sligthly on the higher side, so reducing the dose is a good choice.

 

[BodyMonster34]

Also turning this into a log.
Currently 42 Yo.
H - 180Cm
W - 118Kgs
About 20% Fat Atm.

Diet.
Roughly 250g P/ 300- 400g C/ 60g F daily

Gear protocol
250mg of test E all year round.

Workout

Monday: Upper
1 Arm Preacher curls Dbell: 16kg 16-18reps 5 sets
Plate loaded machine bench: 100kgs 15 reps 3 sets
Frontal raises: 8kgs 22-26 reps 3 sets
Single arm Cable Triceps extension: 12kgs 30- 50 reps 3 sets
Machine rows back: 55kgs 20 reps 3 sets.

Wes: quads
Leg press: 300 kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Legs extension: 125kgs 25 reps 3 sets
Standing Calf rises machine: 165kgs 22 reps 3 sets.

Fri same as mon.

Sat: Hammies
Lying hammy Curls: 165kgs 25 reps 3 sets
standing hammy curls: 55kgs 30 reps 3 sets
Sitting hammy curls: 125kgs 30 reps 3 sets
sitting Calf rises: 120kgs 30- 40 reps 3 sets.

Supplements:
Protein
Creatine

Note: My whole life have been revolve around the gym, all up i have been training for 25 years now and still going. It wasn't on and off as well, i never left the gym since the day i joined. But unfortunately after 2 decades my joint can no longer handle anything. I have grade 3 arthritis everywhere, literally lifted myself to disability. Hence the higher reps and mostly machines. I have been on gear now for 12 years straight normally 250mgs all years round unless i decide to compete, which i then move up to 500mg of test and add in another compound like tren. 1ml max. I'm never a big user but i do stay on. The last 5 years I'm having a lot of trouble controlling E2, i seen few few endos and they don't seem to even care about e2, one of them told me e2 is irrelevant so i had to get rid of him. Doctors here is clueless. I know the logical thing would be lower the dose, which i will do eventually + i really hate to use AI.

bro gotta hit those hammies hard. my wife says my best feature my legs and ass. she like to peg me hard sometimes @Jingajinga

 

[Ulter]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

i would have a talk with your doctor and discuss your steroid use a bit. tell him its important you get the proper numbers checked. Establishing this type of relationship is very important. @Jingajinga

 

[Jingajinga]

What's your pinning protocol?

Regular pins as posed to 1 weekly will help keep your levels steady and possibly help keep your e2 down abit.

My test sits around 42nmol on 250mg every 8 days, so 35 is abit low.

Also when you do your bloods vs when you pinned last plays a big role in the numbers man.

Could do 2 weekly adex for the next few weeks to drop that E level. Definitely abit higher than you'd want it to b

Pinning protocol is once a week, i freaking hate pinning, after a decade of pinning i cbf pinning more than once a week. I feel like the stuff is underdosed crap but since i train like a little girl nowdays i can't really tell. Def will start on the Adex.

 

[Jingajinga]

How's the bodyfat?

around 20%

 

[Jingajinga]

well some are elevated but you only tested this broly? you need to get 0.5mgs arimidex eod asap

and you dont get 60 alt from training and 250mgs test broly

Its been same numbers for over 10 years now. Ast Alt

the type of bloodwork he took was a very basic panel. same thing happened to me when my doctor pulled my last bloods.. so those don't include test levels. you need to ask him for a full hormone panel next time which includes test

I literally told him to give me a proper testosterone test with free test total test and everything and he didn't. Doctors here have no idea Wtf they are doing.

bro gotta hit those hammies hard. my wife says my best feature my legs and ass. she like to peg me hard sometimes

O fk yeah, love them pegs def need to get those bitch hammies up!

 

[bullybreed]

35.8 is you Total T based on the lab range and unit - nmol/L
Assuming your Albumin to be 4.3 approx and SHBG 7, your free T can be calculated as 1360 pmol/L

Your Total T is indeed less given 250mg of test per week, but that is probably due to you being on 250 for a decade - I may be wrong or that gear is bust. But that 1360 free test is really good value. Its much higher than the reference ranage of usually 700 to 800.

Bio available test is what is available for your body to use which is almost 2.5X the reference range which is awesome.

Your E2 is sligthly on the higher side, so reducing the dose is a good choice.

Is there a way to work out bio alavailable test from a basic hormone blood test?

 

[ceo]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

bros liver enzymes being chronically high not good. if you think from diet should chill on diet a bit. you need liver support

 

[ROIDDERS]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

@Jingajinga very nice on the bloodwork overall. pretty much where we would expect things to be. i think you should run the adex light at first and then re-evaluate

 

[2Thick]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

@Jingajinga proud of this update. having bloodwork documented is important. gives you an opportunity to contrast as you go on with this log. watch that liver. i would be on live supps daily

 

[stevesmi]

Its been same numbers for over 10 years now. Ast Alt


I literally told him to give me a proper testosterone test with free test total test and everything and he didn't. Doctors here have no idea Wtf they are doing.


O fk yeah, love them pegs def need to get those bitch hammies up!

I would find a new doctor
It’s just like any profession. 10% are good. 90% are average or below

 

[Jingajinga]

whats a good liver support to bring the numbers down?

 

[John Carmack]

I literally told him to give me a proper testosterone test with free test total test and everything and he didn't. Doctors here have no idea Wtf they are doing.

Bro, your doc has given you Total test and bioavailable test, you can calulate free test. In Australia none of the labs do free test analysis, its always calculated as its cheaper and accurate enough. Thats why in Aussie labs, they mention the word calculated in the bracket next to free test. Even in US most labs calculate free test IMO.

To understand the difference between Total Test, Free Test and Bioavailable Test, here is waht happens.

Test ester(Enanthate, cypionate etc) releases Free Test into the flood. This is almost always immidiately bound to SHBG or Albumin. Whatever is left unbound (usually 1 to 3%) floats around freely called Free Test.

So Total Test = Free Test + SHBG Bound Test + Albumin Bound Test.

Whatever is bound to SHBG is bound tightly and is mostly useless, thats why people hate high SBHG. Whatever is bound to Albumin is loosely bound and is Readily available for body to use.

So Bioavailable Test (Usable by body) = Free T + Albumin Bound Test. That is why bioavailable test is always higher than Free T.

So given Total Test and SHBG values, you can calculate Free Test yourself using online calculators. The albumin values remains 4.3 most of the time, but can vary from 4.0 to 4.5 etc I think.

Is there a way to work out bio alavailable test from a basic hormone blood test?

Yes, you can calulate it using online calculators. I use this: https://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm
For @Jingajinga, I entered his Total Test, SHBG and albumin - entered 4.2 instead of 4.3, and it gave me bio test which matches his results as well as free test. The free test is in nmol/L, so if you multiply that by 1000 it is 1390 pmol/L

Doc could have prescribed prolactin, but generally GPs do only that much if cost is a factor.

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[John Carmack]

Generally, if only the word Testosterone is mentioned, it means Total Testosterone.

Here is a screenshot from QML labs in Aus:

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

whats a good liver support to bring the numbers down?

@Jingajinga https://n2guard.com is what we use, they support the EVO family but not sure how long shipping to AU, check their site
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@Jingajinga but to fully make it a log please post a picture of you with face blurred so we can really understand you and see your base

@Jingajinga you ignored my request? please post a picture of you face blurred to get log fully approved we need to know your base
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/trt-lifestyle-journey.105747/post-1791421
that applies to liver values as well

 

[bullybreed]

Bro, your doc has given you Total test and bioavailable test, you can calulate free test. In Australia none of the labs do free test analysis, its always calculated as its cheaper and accurate enough. Thats why in Aussie labs, they mention the word calculated in the bracket next to free test. Even in US most labs calculate free test IMO.

To understand the difference between Total Test, Free Test and Bioavailable Test, here is waht happens.

Test ester(Enanthate, cypionate etc) releases Free Test into the flood. This is almost always immidiately bound to SHBG or Albumin. Whatever is left unbound (usually 1 to 3%) floats around freely called Free Test.

So Total Test = Free Test + SHBG Bound Test + Albumin Bound Test.

Whatever is bound to SHBG is bound tightly and is mostly useless, thats why people hate high SBHG. Whatever is bound to Albumin is loosely bound and is Readily available for body to use.

So Bioavailable Test (Usable by body) = Free T + Albumin Bound Test. That is why bioavailable test is always higher than Free T.

So given Total Test and SHBG values, you can calculate Free Test yourself using online calculators. The albumin values remains 4.3 most of the time, but can vary from 4.0 to 4.5 etc I think.

Yes, you can calulate it using online calculators. I use this: https://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm
For @Jingajinga, I entered his Total Test, SHBG and albumin - entered 4.2 instead of 4.3, and it gave me bio test which matches his results as well as free test. The free test is in nmol/L, so if you multiply that by 1000 it is 1390 pmol/L

Doc could have prescribed prolactin, but generally GPs do only that much if cost is a factor.

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Sorry it might be there and i’m not seeing it, What area on the blood work will i find the albumin, i get the bb2 tests from imedical.

 

[John Carmack]

Sorry it might be there and i’m not seeing it, What area on the blood work will i find the albumin, i get the bb2 tests from imedical.

LFT section. But BB2 already has free test calculated for you. Unless your lab just mentions it as >2000 instead of giving actual value.

Also if you dont have albumin, you can just enter 4.3. Varying albumin by .1 or .2 wont affect your results dramatically.

 

[bullybreed]

LFT section. But BB2 already has free test calculated for you. Unless your lab just mentions it as >2000 instead of giving actual value.

Also if you dont have albumin, you can just enter 4.3. Varying albumin by .1 or .2 wont affect your results dramatically.

Sorry i’m a newb when it comes to this, yeah i think i misunderstood. Onto clarify Free test and bio available test are the same thing ?

 

[Jingajinga]

Bro, your doc has given you Total test and bioavailable test, you can calulate free test. In Australia none of the labs do free test analysis, its always calculated as its cheaper and accurate enough. Thats why in Aussie labs, they mention the word calculated in the bracket next to free test. Even in US most labs calculate free test IMO.

To understand the difference between Total Test, Free Test and Bioavailable Test, here is waht happens.

Test ester(Enanthate, cypionate etc) releases Free Test into the flood. This is almost always immidiately bound to SHBG or Albumin. Whatever is left unbound (usually 1 to 3%) floats around freely called Free Test.

So Total Test = Free Test + SHBG Bound Test + Albumin Bound Test.

Whatever is bound to SHBG is bound tightly and is mostly useless, thats why people hate high SBHG. Whatever is bound to Albumin is loosely bound and is Readily available for body to use.

So Bioavailable Test (Usable by body) = Free T + Albumin Bound Test. That is why bioavailable test is always higher than Free T.

So given Total Test and SHBG values, you can calculate Free Test yourself using online calculators. The albumin values remains 4.3 most of the time, but can vary from 4.0 to 4.5 etc I think.

Yes, you can calulate it using online calculators. I use this: https://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm
For @Jingajinga, I entered his Total Test, SHBG and albumin - entered 4.2 instead of 4.3, and it gave me bio test which matches his results as well as free test. The free test is in nmol/L, so if you multiply that by 1000 it is 1390 pmol/L

Doc could have prescribed prolactin, but generally GPs do only that much if cost is a factor.

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very interesting Ty for the clarification. Tho my previous lab testing Always have Free test and Total test clearly labeled. Never had to calculate myself.

 

[Jingajinga]

@Jingajinga you ignored my request? please post a picture of you face blurred to get log fully approved we need to know your base
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/trt-lifestyle-journey.105747/post-1791421
that applies to liver values as well

Nah mate def not ignoring, Honestly im ashamed to even post pics, i feel like shit all day and everyday. Mostly of you here is striving for success and fighting to achieve your goals. While i have 0 goals in mind not with this broken down rig anyway. Every week i'm seeing regression instead of progression. The dreadful thought of having 5 joint replacements in the near future haunts me. Not asking much now days just try to get bloods sorted and live a relatively healthier life. But since you insist me posting some pics. Here it is... Pic 1 and 2 is from decades ago, and pic 3 is from few month ago. I rarely take and pics or training videos anymore.

 

[Jingajinga]

Bro, your doc has given you Total test and bioavailable test, you can calulate free test. In Australia none of the labs do free test analysis, its always calculated as its cheaper and accurate enough. Thats why in Aussie labs, they mention the word calculated in the bracket next to free test. Even in US most labs calculate free test IMO.

To understand the difference between Total Test, Free Test and Bioavailable Test, here is waht happens.

Test ester(Enanthate, cypionate etc) releases Free Test into the flood. This is almost always immidiately bound to SHBG or Albumin. Whatever is left unbound (usually 1 to 3%) floats around freely called Free Test.

So Total Test = Free Test + SHBG Bound Test + Albumin Bound Test.

Whatever is bound to SHBG is bound tightly and is mostly useless, thats why people hate high SBHG. Whatever is bound to Albumin is loosely bound and is Readily available for body to use.

So Bioavailable Test (Usable by body) = Free T + Albumin Bound Test. That is why bioavailable test is always higher than Free T.

So given Total Test and SHBG values, you can calculate Free Test yourself using online calculators. The albumin values remains 4.3 most of the time, but can vary from 4.0 to 4.5 etc I think.

Yes, you can calulate it using online calculators. I use this: https://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm
For @Jingajinga, I entered his Total Test, SHBG and albumin - entered 4.2 instead of 4.3, and it gave me bio test which matches his results as well as free test. The free test is in nmol/L, so if you multiply that by 1000 it is 1390 pmol/L

Doc could have prescribed prolactin, but generally GPs do only that much if cost is a factor.

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Still confused, Where you got 1390 from? according to your calculation i got 1210 pmol/L and is that even normal for 250mg of test? seems pretty low.

 

[John Carmack]

Still confused, Where you got 1390 from? according to your calculation i got 1210 pmol/L and is that even normal for 250mg of test? seems pretty low.

 

[John Carmack]

Sorry i’m a newb when it comes to this, yeah i think i misunderstood. Onto clarify Free test and bio available test are the same thing ?

Not exactly the same thing. Free T is free floating test molecules in the blood. Bio T = Free T + Albumin bound T.

Even though both Free T and Albumin T builds up the muscle, its free T thats more readily available as it does not need to unbind itself from anything. Also many labs have been giving out free T from a long time instead of Bio T, hence bodybuilders use Free T as a gold standard for measurement (source of this last sentence is chat GPT).

 

[BodyMonster34]

Its been same numbers for over 10 years now. Ast Alt


I literally told him to give me a proper testosterone test with free test total test and everything and he didn't. Doctors here have no idea Wtf they are doing.


O fk yeah, love them pegs def need to get those bitch hammies up!

bro pegging the best. you know you like it lol

 

[25homes]

Good update

 

[ballin2504]

Recently got my blood results back, hormones seem to be everywhere. Despite my request for total test done the doc decided not to for whatever stupid reason.
So here it is missing the most important part... Still even without free test, testosterone seem to be really low, but weird thing is even when my testosterone seems to be low for 250mg a week, My SHBG is also so low and E2 very high and without total test its hard for me know weather my gear is actually under dosed crap. What do you guys make out of this?
LH < 0.1 L (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH < 0.3 L (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol 278 H (< 146) pmol/L
DHEAS 6.2 (1.0-15.0) umol/L
Testosterone 35.8 H (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG 7 L (14-95) nmol/L
Bioav. Testo. 31.8 H (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI 511.4 H (14.5-80.3) %

Got some Adex on hand what is the dose you guys think i should be on to get the e2 down?

Also liver enzyme is also bit high but i had those for over 10 years now i believe this is just from a high protein diet and training.
ALT 60 H (< 40) U/L
AST 40 H (< 35) U/L

@Jingajinga I would look at getting on n2guard. Glad to see you started a log.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Nah mate def not ignoring, Honestly im ashamed to even post pics, i feel like shit all day and everyday. Mostly of you here is striving for success and fighting to achieve your goals. While i have 0 goals in mind not with this broken down rig anyway. Every week i'm seeing regression instead of progression. The dreadful thought of having 5 joint replacements in the near future haunts me. Not asking much now days just try to get bloods sorted and live a relatively healthier life. But since you insist me posting some pics. Here it is... Pic 1 and 2 is from decades ago, and pic 3 is from few month ago. I rarely take and pics or training videos anymore.

@Jingajinga you kidding right? i just looked at your pics you look hella good broly like big and thick, why shamed? you got that thick amazing size EVO family support for you

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

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what calculator you using @John Carmack ?

 

[John Carmack]

what calculator you using @John Carmack ?

Yes, you can calulate it using online calculators. I use this: https://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm
For @Jingajinga, I entered his Total Test, SHBG and albumin - entered 4.2 instead of 4.3, and it gave me bio test which matches his results as well as free test. The free test is in nmol/L, so if you multiply that by 1000 it is 1390 pmol/L

Doc could have prescribed prolactin, but generally GPs do only that much if cost is a factor.

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This one brother. All the info on what I entered and why I entered in this post. Also some labs dont give full results, they just say >2000 Free test.

This link comes in handy to calculate it ourselves.