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Yeah with the little I knew until recently, I always thought anyone on a cycle dose would have to use ai and most on trt needed it.
Haha good thing you learned better. AI's are like break glass for use kinda deals. Not supposed to be long term. We all learn a lot around here. Thank God for the EVO fam.
 
Food yesterday.

Went a bit high with carbs due to having pasta for dinner. Figure it was alright due to the legs workout yesterday.

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Dinner was Bolognese with lentil / chick pea pasta.

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Really good workout today.
Definitely hit extra reps on most things. Incline barbell press felt really good. Huge tricep pump again at the end.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

21/09/25- Week 2 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
5x13, 7.5x12, 10x11, 12.5x9

Incline BB press (kg)
35x11, 45x9, 52.5x8, 60x9

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
10x 12, 17.5 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 27.5x8

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
6 x 11, 9 x 11, 12.5 x 9, 15 x 9 (some swaying)

Cable pushdown (kg)
17.5x 14, 24.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 12

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
40x 11, 60 x 10, 72.5 x 8

15 min incline treadmill
 
Really good workout today.
Definitely hit extra reps on most things. Incline barbell press felt really good. Huge tricep pump again at the end.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

21/09/25- Week 2 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
5x13, 7.5x12, 10x11, 12.5x9

Incline BB press (kg)
35x11, 45x9, 52.5x8, 60x9

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
10x 12, 17.5 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 27.5x8

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
6 x 11, 9 x 11, 12.5 x 9, 15 x 9 (some swaying)

Cable pushdown (kg)
17.5x 14, 24.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 12

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
40x 11, 60 x 10, 72.5 x 8

15 min incline treadmill
that looks good. Man Being in our mid to late 40s Stretching makes all the difference in the world. just from stretching alone i feel way better. I’ve been doing some stretches before and after my workouts. I’ve definitely noticed a difference in feeling better the next day especially on leg day.
 
that looks good. Man Being in our mid to late 40s Stretching makes all the difference in the world. just from stretching alone i feel way better. I’ve been doing some stretches before and after my workouts. I’ve definitely noticed a difference in feeling better the next day especially on leg day.
Yeah I've noticed a big difference since I started doing it everyday. I sit at a desk all day so if I don't do it my back is stuffed.
 
Food yesterday.

Went a bit high with carbs due to having pasta for dinner. Figure it was alright due to the legs workout yesterday.

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Dinner was Bolognese with lentil / chick pea pasta.

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Really good workout today.
Definitely hit extra reps on most things. Incline barbell press felt really good. Huge tricep pump again at the end.

15 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

21/09/25- Week 2 - Push

Incline cable fly (kg each side)
5x13, 7.5x12, 10x11, 12.5x9

Incline BB press (kg)
35x11, 45x9, 52.5x8, 60x9

Db shoulder press (kg db's)
10x 12, 17.5 x 10, 22.5 x 8, 27.5x8

Db lateral - straight arm (kg each side)
6 x 11, 9 x 11, 12.5 x 9, 15 x 9 (some swaying)

Cable pushdown (kg)
17.5x 14, 24.5x13, 30.5 x 12, 35 x 12

Close grip smith (kg +bar)
40x 11, 60 x 10, 72.5 x 8

15 min incline treadmill
Incline press at 60kg for 9 after all that fly work shows chest is getting stronger and fuller, and shoulder press with 27.5s for 8 is solid pressing too. Triceps clearly got smashed between pushdowns and close grip smith, no wonder you felt that pump. Treadmill and stretching round it out perfectly, that’s a well balanced push day.
do you have time for 20min treadmill? :D
 
Incline press at 60kg for 9 after all that fly work shows chest is getting stronger and fuller, and shoulder press with 27.5s for 8 is solid pressing too. Triceps clearly got smashed between pushdowns and close grip smith, no wonder you felt that pump. Treadmill and stretching round it out perfectly, that’s a well balanced push day.
do you have time for 20min treadmill? :D
Yeah can make it work I reckon. So 20 min before and after?

Also I usually do incline 6% and speed 4.6-4.8 (assume km/h which would be around 2.9-3.0mph). Is that about right. I usually try and get my heart rate around 115-120bpm.
 
Is anyone able to give advice on dosing for bpc-157 and tb500?

It's for possible bicep tendon inflammation and maybe very minor tennis elbow. It's not really bad... Doesn't really stop me from doing anything but I've had it for a while.

Was thinking of subq injection near the elbow like this:

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@waggat I discuss this exact protocol that worked for me in my log when @Ulter asked about one of the three peptides that will heal you up.
You can go to page 40 of my log or just read the quote from it below:

No I wouldn't substitute GHK for either of the other two except in one case (explained below) specifically for tendon injury. But it could never replace BPC.

@stevesmi @Mobster I was asked on the podcast about GHK-Cu and I wish I had have gone into more detail about what it does and the results I experienced especially compared to BPC and TB


I'd rank them as follows:
1. BPC-157 (subQ systemic pinned anywhere)
2. TB-500 (subQ systemic pinned anywhere)
3. GHK-Cu (to be run only with BPC and TB for injuries and pinned locally into the injury I found made a difference)

  • In general: 1&2 work amazing together and can be run in general for any bodybuilder (BPC & TB) at any time
  • For specific tendon injury if I had to choose only two of them and cost mattered: 1&3 together would be my choice (BPC & GHK) pinned into the injury
  • If money doesn't matter and you can afford it: All three all the time

Dosing total ED:
1. BPC = 500mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
2. TB = 500mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
3. GHK = 2.5mg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)

If I could have afforded it I would have doubled the above doses for the 10 weeks I ran it or at the least just extended it and still have it in my protocol.

Hope that helped clear it up @Ulter
 
Thanks mate! Will check it out.
Please do. It’s also discussed on my guest appearance on the podcast. If you check my log there’s a lot of detail about dosing and where to pin it etc. I also mention the doc said it would be a 6 month layoff but I was back in the gym after only 6 weeks.

Also in my log is the high dose collagen peptide needed twice a day (40g) to help the BPC/TB/GHK do its magic. I also mega dosed creatine too.

If you have the money I can give you a protocol even better than the one I used as well.
 
Yeah can make it work I reckon. So 20 min before and after?

Also I usually do incline 6% and speed 4.6-4.8 (assume km/h which would be around 2.9-3.0mph). Is that about right. I usually try and get my heart rate around 115-120bpm.
Stay at incline 4-6 and speed 3.5-4.
 
@waggat I discuss this exact protocol that worked for me in my log when @Ulter asked about one of the three peptides that will heal you up.
You can go to page 40 of my log or just read the quote from it below:
Good info share :D
 
Please do. It’s also discussed on my guest appearance on the podcast. If you check my log there’s a lot of detail about dosing and where to pin it etc. I also mention the doc said it would be a 6 month layoff but I was back in the gym after only 6 weeks.

Also in my log is the high dose collagen peptide needed twice a day (40g) to help the BPC/TB/GHK do its magic. I also mega dosed creatine too.

If you have the money I can give you a protocol even better than the one I used as well.
Thanks mate.

I already bought one of each for $100 but then realised the TB is only 2mg (BPC is 5).

Going to buy another 5mg TB and then a combined one with 5mg each.

That would give me around 4 weeks of:

BPC 375ui per day
TB 2mg/week - think 500ui EOD here
 
Thanks mate.

I already bought one of each for $100 but then realised the TB is only 2mg (BPC is 5).

Going to buy another 5mg TB and then a combined one with 5mg each.

That would give me around 4 weeks of:

BPC 375ui per day
TB 2mg/week - think 500ui EOD here
375mcg of BPC every day is a good start. Prioritize the BPC if money becomes an issue
500mcg every other day is okay but you might as well do 250mcg every day with the 375mcg of BPC.

4 weeks is kind of when it gets into high gear so you'll wanna plan to run it longer to heal an injury.

If money isn't an issue I'd add GHK-Cu as well at 2.5mg every day or higher if you can afford it.
 
Thanks mate.

I already bought one of each for $100 but then realised the TB is only 2mg (BPC is 5).

Going to buy another 5mg TB and then a combined one with 5mg each.

That would give me around 4 weeks of:

BPC 375ui per day
TB 2mg/week - think 500ui EOD here
With the BPC I usually run 350mcg twice per day. Dosing is anywhere between 200-1000 per day but I find 700 is a nice sweet spot.
 
With the BPC I usually run 350mcg twice per day. Dosing is anywhere between 200-1000 per day but I find 700 is a nice sweet spot.
Couldn't agree more. @waggat I'm trying to create a protocol for you around what you have, and don't get me wrong it should help but I'm assuming money is the Achilles heal in going higher but if I could go back and do it again I'd double the doses you see quoted in my post above from my log and run it even longer too.

I just didn't want to deflate your hopes because they will help but @BeMe is right, if you can save up and order yourself a pile of it I'd go:

Dosing total ED:
1. BPC = 1000mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
2. TB = 1000mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
3. GHK = 5mg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)

Otherwise what I'd do is as money comes in just keep placing little orders so you can run it at least 3 months. It's a totally different type of protocol for injury repair vs. general wear and tear gym recovery
 
Couldn't agree more. @waggat I'm trying to create a protocol for you around what you have, and don't get me wrong it should help but I'm assuming money is the Achilles heal in going higher but if I could go back and do it again I'd double the doses you see quoted in my post above from my log and run it even longer too.

I just didn't want to deflate your hopes because they will help but @BeMe is right, if you can save up and order yourself a pile of it I'd go:

Dosing total ED:
1. BPC = 1000mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
2. TB = 1000mcg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)
3. GHK = 5mg (I would pin half this dose AM and half PM)

Otherwise what I'd do is as money comes in just keep placing little orders so you can run it at least 3 months. It's a totally different type of protocol for injury repair vs. general wear and tear gym recovery
Ok sounds good. Thanks heaps for your help.

I'll up the doses and try and make it work cost wise including running it longer.
 
Workout today.

Felt pretty good again despite another less than ideal sleep (6.5 hours).

20 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

22/09/25 - Pull day

Close grip pulldown (lb)
Warmups, 140x11, 170x10, 190x10

HS chest supported row (kg per side)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x9, 70x8

Db bent over lateral (kg each)
6x13, 8x11, 9x11

Db bent over lateral - partials (kg each)
15x15, 17.5x15

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each)
9x11, 12.5x9, 15x6

20 min incline treadmill
 
Food yesterday.

Went a bit high on carbs but did a whole bunch of work around the house so probably needed it.

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Dinner was one of my favourites - Thai Green Curry.

Had to take a photo of the kids serve as I ate half of mine before I remembered.

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Workout today.

Felt pretty good again despite another less than ideal sleep (6.5 hours).

20 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

22/09/25 - Pull day

Close grip pulldown (lb)
Warmups, 140x11, 170x10, 190x10

HS chest supported row (kg per side)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x9, 70x8

Db bent over lateral (kg each)
6x13, 8x11, 9x11

Db bent over lateral - partials (kg each)
15x15, 17.5x15

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each)
9x11, 12.5x9, 15x6

20 min incline treadmill
Good pull day, numbers on pulldown and chest supported row show you’re getting stronger with clean form. Rear delt work looked solid too, nice touch adding the partials after full reps, that’s how you thicken them up. Curls had good progression, 17.5s for 10 on concentration is solid after the volume you already put in. Food looked on point, Thai curry is perfect for recovery and those extra carbs were earned with the training and house work. :D
 
Ok sounds good. Thanks heaps for your help.

I'll up the doses and try and make it work cost wise including running it longer.
If your injury is infringing on your workouts then it will be worth it in the long run. The shit works man you just gotta dose it high and run for 3-4 months. Keep us posted on how it goes and be sure and post some pics of what you got when it arrives!
 
Workout today.

Felt pretty good again despite another less than ideal sleep (6.5 hours).

20 min incline treadmill

10 min stretching

22/09/25 - Pull day

Close grip pulldown (lb)
Warmups, 140x11, 170x10, 190x10

HS chest supported row (kg per side)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x9, 70x8

Db bent over lateral (kg each)
6x13, 8x11, 9x11

Db bent over lateral - partials (kg each)
15x15, 17.5x15

Concentration curl (kg)
10x12, 15x10, 17.5x10

Incline curl (kg each)
9x11, 12.5x9, 15x6

20 min incline treadmill
Nice chest and biceps day. Great way to burn out the biceps after a back day.
 
Food yesterday.

Went a bit high on carbs but did a whole bunch of work around the house so probably needed it.

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Dinner was one of my favourites - Thai Green Curry.

Had to take a photo of the kids serve as I ate half of mine before I remembered.

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Looks good. Sunday has been kind of a little cheat day. If you want to call it that. I eat pretty low carbs overall. Yesterday my daughter begged me to go to olive garden so i took her.
 
Looks good. Sunday has been kind of a little cheat day. If you want to call it that. I eat pretty low carbs overall. Yesterday my daughter begged me to go to olive garden so i took her.
Sounds good. Olive garden is a restaurant?

Yeah I pretty much intentionally went over. Did a workout, washed 2 cars, mowed the lawn and did some other cleaning. Figured I needed it.
 
Sounds good. Olive garden is a restaurant?

Yeah I pretty much intentionally went over. Did a workout, washed 2 cars, mowed the lawn and did some other cleaning. Figured I needed it.
yes, it is a chain italian restaurant. oh i had 5 big ass meatballs for a appetizer all to myself as well. then i went home and napped. I spent 80 minutes on legs and 20 minutes on jogging the outside track
 
Noticed my weight has been slowly climbing the last week or so.

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Seems to coincide with when I started the cycle (about two weeks ago).

Tomorrow is an off day so will take some new photos.

Also I have been on 0.33 armidex 3/week (same days as I pin).

Thought I might have felt some nipple heat / tenderness yesterday so took another 0.33 (in addition to the 0.33 the day before).

Was going to get bloods tomorrow but I might leave it till next week now.

Thinking of starting 425mg/week this week (up from 375 this week and ~330 first week). Is this an ok rate to go up?

If I do go up I think I will go 0.5 adex 3 times / week.
 
Noticed my weight has been slowly climbing the last week or so.

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Seems to coincide with when I started the cycle (about two weeks ago).

Tomorrow is an off day so will take some new photos.

Also I have been on 0.33 armidex 3/week (same days as I pin).

Thought I might have felt some nipple heat / tenderness yesterday so took another 0.33 (in addition to the 0.33 the day before).

Was going to get bloods tomorrow but I might leave it till next week now.

Thinking of starting 425mg/week this week (up from 375 this week and ~330 first week). Is this an ok rate to go up?

If I do go up I think I will go 0.5 adex 3 times / week.
Weight jump that quick is usually water from the test kicking in, so nothing out of the ordinary. The nipple warmth can happen, smart move having the adex handy, but don’t slam it too hard or you’ll crash E2 and feel worse. Bumping from 375 to 425 is a steady enough increase, that’s fine. If you do that, 0.5 adex 3x a week will match better, just lock in bloods next week so you know where you’re actually sitting. :D You should get some nolvadex on hand too.
 
Weight jump that quick is usually water from the test kicking in, so nothing out of the ordinary. The nipple warmth can happen, smart move having the adex handy, but don’t slam it too hard or you’ll crash E2 and feel worse. Bumping from 375 to 425 is a steady enough increase, that’s fine. If you do that, 0.5 adex 3x a week will match better, just lock in bloods next week so you know where you’re actually sitting. :D You should get some nolvadex on hand too.
@LevButlerov as a part of my consitently learning, why would you choose Armidex over Aromasin to stop bounce back for E2?
 
@LevButlerov as a part of my consitently learning, why would you choose Armidex over Aromasin to stop bounce back for E2?
Arimidex knocks estrogen down while you’re on it, but once you stop it there’s a chance of rebound because it only blocks the enzyme, it doesn’t kill it. Aromasin binds permanently to the enzyme, so even when you stop, there’s less chance of E2 shooting back up. That’s why a lot of guys prefer Aromasin when they want to avoid bounce back, though both work fine if dosed right. :D
 
Looks good. Sunday has been kind of a little cheat day. If you want to call it that. I eat pretty low carbs overall. Yesterday my daughter begged me to go to olive garden so i took her.
You got her well trained. Atleast she's not hitting you up for a high end steak house lol.
 
You got her well trained. Atleast she's not hitting you up for a high end steak house lol.
She knows I refuse to buy steak at a restaurant. she learned why as well. My steaks are the best. We eat fillets once a week on Sunday usually. This week it’s tomorrow, family dinner with her older half sister and her Niece and Nephew by marriage. When she wants expensive food it’s the local hibachi sushi place lol. Or the super expensive seafood restaurant where she gets chargrilled oysters. I try to only go out to eat once every month or 6 weeks. Take out is always chicken shawarma. 75 percent or better of our meals are home cooked.
 
Weight jump that quick is usually water from the test kicking in, so nothing out of the ordinary. The nipple warmth can happen, smart move having the adex handy, but don’t slam it too hard or you’ll crash E2 and feel worse. Bumping from 375 to 425 is a steady enough increase, that’s fine. If you do that, 0.5 adex 3x a week will match better, just lock in bloods next week so you know where you’re actually sitting. :D You should get some nolvadex on hand too.
@LevButlerov Thanks mate!

Could still get bloods tomorrow if it's worth it? Dosing up till today:

Tue 16/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Thurs 18/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Sun 21/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Monday 22/9 - 0.33mg adex
Tue 23/9 - 125mg T
 
She knows I refuse to buy steak at a restaurant. she learned why as well. My steaks are the best. We eat fillets once a week on Sunday usually. This week it’s tomorrow, family dinner with her older half sister and her Niece and Nephew by marriage. When she wants expensive food it’s the local hibachi sushi place lol. Or the super expensive seafood restaurant where she gets chargrilled oysters. I try to only go out to eat once every month or 6 weeks. Take out is always chicken shawarma. 75 percent or better of our meals are home cooked.

Lol I spoke too soon. Well I guess the positives there is your pricing future boyfriends outta the market lol. If she wants oysters and they take her to Chipotle that will end that real quick
 
Lol I spoke too soon. Well I guess the positives there is your pricing future boyfriends outta the market lol. If she wants oysters and they take her to Chipotle that will end that real quick
No little boy better be taking her to get oysters. 🤣Honestly I’m a very good cook. So she has high standards with food hopefully that will transfer over to boyfriend’s as well. I treat her like a lady and her mom as well, so I try to be a role model in that aspect.
 
No little boy better be taking her to get oysters. 🤣Honestly I’m a very good cook. So she has high standards with food hopefully that will transfer over to boyfriend’s as well. I treat her like a lady and her mom as well, so I try to be a role model in that aspect.
Very smart. Set the expectations high
 
I heard a funny analogy. Arimidex is like dropping a nuke when a bullet (Aromasin) would do the job lol @LevButlerov
Couldn't agree more. I can't stand when my e2 is too low and both A-dex and Letrozole do that. It makes me more moody than Tren and my libido sucks too.
 
Noticed my weight has been slowly climbing the last week or so.

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Seems to coincide with when I started the cycle (about two weeks ago).

Tomorrow is an off day so will take some new photos.

Also I have been on 0.33 armidex 3/week (same days as I pin).

Thought I might have felt some nipple heat / tenderness yesterday so took another 0.33 (in addition to the 0.33 the day before).

Was going to get bloods tomorrow but I might leave it till next week now.

Thinking of starting 425mg/week this week (up from 375 this week and ~330 first week). Is this an ok rate to go up?

If I do go up I think I will go 0.5 adex 3 times / week.
For now that's probably just water. Bro you can take the test as high as you want as long as you're getting bloods and they look okay and checking your blood pressure twice a day. As soon as you see red flags back the fuck off hard. Take it slow and wait til week 12 when the magic happens.

With the cycle I just ran I'm lucky the only thing out of whack was my HDL/LDL but that's standard.
 
@LevButlerov Thanks mate!

Could still get bloods tomorrow if it's worth it? Dosing up till today:

Tue 16/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Thurs 18/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Sun 21/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Monday 22/9 - 0.33mg adex
Tue 23/9 - 125mg T
yes bloods tomorrow would still show you where things are sitting, especially on test and adex together. You’ll get a clear picture of total and free test plus e2 so you know if the dosing balance is right. With the shots and adex you’ve logged it’s a good time to check before you push further. :D
 
Forgot to post this morning's workout.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

23/09/25 - Legs

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 75x12, 90x11, 105x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x15, 65x13, 75x12, 82.5x13

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
Warmup, 16x10, 22x10, 28x9

Leg press high rep (kg)
100x20, 140x16, 180x15

Calf machine (kg)
40x12, 70x11, 90x11, 110x10, 130x14

Dragon flags
2x15

BB woodchop (kg on 20kg bar)
5x11 each, 7.5x10 each

20 min incline treadmill

Good workout. The reverse lunges with fatigued hamstrings are feeling really good and strong.
 
Forgot to post this morning's workout.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

23/09/25 - Legs

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 75x12, 90x11, 105x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x15, 65x13, 75x12, 82.5x13

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
Warmup, 16x10, 22x10, 28x9

Leg press high rep (kg)
100x20, 140x16, 180x15

Calf machine (kg)
40x12, 70x11, 90x11, 110x10, 130x14

Dragon flags
2x15

BB woodchop (kg on 20kg bar)
5x11 each, 7.5x10 each

20 min incline treadmill

Good workout. The reverse lunges with fatigued hamstrings are feeling really good and strong.
Good updates... and great volume... following!
 
Full off day today.

Had the blood test this morning. Will be interesting to see results.

Weight up 1.5kg from yesterday!!
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Definitely feel better after the additional AI dose though.

Was going to take update photos this morning but thought there might not be much point if I'm holding so much water?
 
Forgot to post this morning's workout.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

23/09/25 - Legs

Lying leg curl (lb)
1xwarmup, 75x12, 90x11, 105x9

SLDL (kg)
Warmup, 50x15, 65x13, 75x12, 82.5x13

Reverse lunge from step (kg each hand)
Warmup, 16x10, 22x10, 28x9

Leg press high rep (kg)
100x20, 140x16, 180x15

Calf machine (kg)
40x12, 70x11, 90x11, 110x10, 130x14

Dragon flags
2x15

BB woodchop (kg on 20kg bar)
5x11 each, 7.5x10 each

20 min incline treadmill

Good workout. The reverse lunges with fatigued hamstrings are feeling really good and strong.
Solid leg day, SLDLs up to 82.5kg for 13 after curls already had the hamstrings cooked so those lunges hit even harder, that’s why they’re feeling strong. High rep leg press gave good volume, and calves at 130kg for 14 is solid work to finish. Core with dragon flags and woodchops is a nice touch, whole session looked well rounded and tough.
Food from yesterday.

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Simple dinner of salmon and veggies.

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Keeping it clean :D
Unfortunately just the frozen stuff from the supermarket. Says it's from Norway. Still tastes nice.
As long as you like it, eat it, from Norway way healthier than eating McDs right :D @waggat
 
Unfortunately just the frozen stuff from the supermarket. Says it's from Norway. Still tastes nice.
Norway has good fish. Wild frozen is way better than fresh farmed. Nothing wrong with what you got there. Looks delicious too
 
Norway has good fish. Wild frozen is way better than fresh farmed. Nothing wrong with what you got there. Looks delicious too
Love that Norway salmon :D
 
Weight up again today 😳

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Ever since I felt that but of nipple heat / tenderness, I've been a bit paranoid. I took that extra dose of adex.

Now this morning I wonder if I feel a new lump (it's tough for me as I have mild gyno from adolescents so hard to tell if it's new).

Should I order Nolvadex asap or wait for bloods? I should get them sometime today anyway.

Also if I do order nolva, I figure I may as well get on aromasin like everyone suggest instead of the current adex.
 
Weight up again today 😳

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Ever since I felt that but of nipple heat / tenderness, I've been a bit paranoid. I took that extra dose of adex.

Now this morning I wonder if I feel a new lump (it's tough for me as I have mild gyno from adolescents so hard to tell if it's new).

Should I order Nolvadex asap or wait for bloods? I should get them sometime today anyway.

Also if I do order nolva, I figure I may as well get on aromasin like everyone suggest instead of the current adex.

Hold off on that order until @LevButlerov has a chance to respond. If you have existing gyno and possibly a new lump forming he's probably going to recommend a Tamoxifen protocol for you.

How's it feeling now? Are you sure there's something going on. I also get paranoid about gyno and fool myself into thinking I'm getting tender nips at times. Turns out it's usually just cuz I'm wearing a synthetic gym t shirt and it's rubbing on them lol
 
Weight up again today 😳

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Ever since I felt that but of nipple heat / tenderness, I've been a bit paranoid. I took that extra dose of adex.

Now this morning I wonder if I feel a new lump (it's tough for me as I have mild gyno from adolescents so hard to tell if it's new).

Should I order Nolvadex asap or wait for bloods? I should get them sometime today anyway.

Also if I do order nolva, I figure I may as well get on aromasin like everyone suggest instead of the current adex.
If you’re feeling heat and maybe a lump it’s smart to be proactive, nolvadex on hand is never a bad idea. Adex can work but usually aromasin is more forgiving and steadier long term, especially if you’re prone to gyno. Since your bloods are coming today you’ll get a clearer picture of e2, but I’d line up the nolva now so you’re not waiting around if things flare.
Don't do anything until you see the bloods and post some pics of the gyno you think you havae. @waggat
 
Reminder on my T and Adex schedule leading up to the blood test:

Tue 16/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Thurs 18/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Sun 21/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Monday 22/9 - 0.33mg adex
Tue 23/9 - 125mg T

Blood test Wednesday morning (24/09).
 
well back to the drawing board. Alaskan salmon is so expensive. I miss being in michigan and getting the salmon right in the first couple weeks of the run when their meat is still nice and pink. The fish are still silver
It still beats a ton of other fish :D
 

Reminder on my T and Adex schedule leading up to the blood test:

Tue 16/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Thurs 18/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Sun 21/9 - 125mg T and 0.33mg adex
Monday 22/9 - 0.33mg adex
Tue 23/9 - 125mg T

Blood test Wednesday morning (24/09).
I checked the bloods not bad at all, just e2 is too high. I would increase arimidex to .5mgs ed for 2 weeks, can you? @waggat
 
I checked the bloods not bad at all, just e2 is too high. I would increase arimidex to .5mgs ed for 2 weeks, can you? @waggat
@LevButlerov Yes can do. I bumped a bit already (from 0.33mg 3 times per week) doing 0.33 on Sun, Mon, Wed and Thurs so far.

Also, I ordered Aromasin from @Raptor Labs
 
Haven't posted today's workout yet.

Another good one, feeling strong on the db bench press and then on lateral raises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/09/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmup, 25x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9, 42.5x8

Db bench press (kg each)
25x10, 30x9, 35x8

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x11, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (lb)
12.5x11, 15x11

Rope tricep pushdown (lb)
32.5x14, 42.5x12, 52.5x10

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x11, 35x9

20 min incline treadmill
 
@LevButlerov Yes can do. I bumped a bit already (from 0.33mg 3 times per week) doing 0.33 on Sun, Mon, Wed and Thurs so far.

Also, I ordered Aromasin from @Raptor Labs
Smart move, e2 has spiked high but fixable. I prefer aromasin over adex for the same reason @LevButlerov said, its healthier long term if your a high aromatizer. Nolva is always good to have too. I had a gyno flare from tren earlier this year, tamoxifen has cleared it all now.
 
Haven't posted today's workout yet.

Another good one, feeling strong on the db bench press and then on lateral raises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/09/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmup, 25x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9, 42.5x8

Db bench press (kg each)
25x10, 30x9, 35x8

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x11, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (lb)
12.5x11, 15x11

Rope tricep pushdown (lb)
32.5x14, 42.5x12, 52.5x10

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x11, 35x9

20 min incline treadmill
Workout looks great brother!
 
Smart move, e2 has spiked high but fixable. I prefer aromasin over adex for the same reason @LevButlerov said, its healthier long term if your a high aromatizer. Nolva is always good to have too. I had a gyno flare from tren earlier this year, tamoxifen has cleared it all now.
I wish I'd done some more reading before grabbing the adex initially.

Crazy the some people can do 500mg test a week with no issues.

Yeah I got Nolvadex as well. Having a feel today I'm not sure if there is any new stuff. Sucks having gyno from puberty. Makes it hard to tell.
 
@LevButlerov Yes can do. I bumped a bit already (from 0.33mg 3 times per week) doing 0.33 on Sun, Mon, Wed and Thurs so far.

Also, I ordered Aromasin from @Raptor Labs
Switching to aromasin is best move, but yes you can bump for now, we need to retest in 2 weeks.
 
Haven't posted today's workout yet.

Another good one, feeling strong on the db bench press and then on lateral raises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

25/09/25 - Push

HS incline press (kg each side)
Warmup, 25x11, 32.5x10, 37.5x9, 42.5x8

Db bench press (kg each)
25x10, 30x9, 35x8

Db lateral raise bent arm (kg each)
Warmup, 10x11, 12.5x10, 15x10

Cable lateral (lb)
12.5x11, 15x11

Rope tricep pushdown (lb)
32.5x14, 42.5x12, 52.5x10

PJR pullover (kg)
25x13, 30x11, 35x9

20 min incline treadmill
That’s solid pressing, moving 35s on db bench after those incline sets shows your strength is climbing well. Lateral work looks dialed in too, 15s for 10 clean reps means delts are handling good load without losing form. Triceps got hammered with both pushdowns and pjrs, that pairing will keep them growing. Cardio and stretching after on top makes it a complete session, you’re covering everything. :D
 
I wish I'd done some more reading before grabbing the adex initially.

Crazy the some people can do 500mg test a week with no issues.

Yeah I got Nolvadex as well. Having a feel today I'm not sure if there is any new stuff. Sucks having gyno from puberty. Makes it hard to tell.
Its all a learning curve brother thats why we are here 😁.

I know right haha, some at 500 and i hit 250 and e2 jumps over 250pmol hahaha 😩.
Ive had to look to different cycle designs just to limit e2 conversion for myself because of this.

Nolvadex is a must have for anyone prone to gyno in my opinion. Studies have proven it can reverse any early additional gyno development and if tamoxifen doesnt the raloxifene can be a second option.

Just keep in mind long term use of these compound will negatively effect ifg levels. But i would rather a drop in igf short term then gyno long term.
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
 
Sudden weight drop today. Hopefully the increased Adex dose doing its thing.

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sure dropping water :D
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
Back work looked strong, tbar at nearly 60kg for clean reps and moving up to 70kg on the HS row shows you’re pulling some good weight. Rear delts and facepulls are loaded heavy too, those numbers keep the upper back thick. Arms got hit hard after, preacher and hammers both moving into solid weight. Cardio and stretching on top rounds it out, good balanced pull day. :D
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
Good work. On the yoga, stretching, everybody on here, should be doing it every single day. Otherwise you are only hurting yourself. @waggat
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
@waggat bro i want to see some big lifts next. pump up double the weight. should be rowing 500 by now
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
Keep up the good work on this. @waggat We love to see the hardcore training. You're throwing around the iron, Like A Champion.
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
@waggat this one is looking good. the weight training is on point. i love the 20 minute incline treadmill too
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
bros much love from EVO family always. this is the way to train your balls off. A+ job and keep it up ! @waggat
 
Workout today was good. Felt really strong on the back exercises.

20 min incline treadmill

10 min yoga style stretching

26/09/25 - Pull day

Straight arm pull down (lb)
Warmup, 40x12, 47.5x11, 55x10

Tbar row (kg excl bar)
Warmups, 40x10, 50x10, 57.5x9

HS One arm Chest supported row (kg)
Warmup, 50x10, 60x10, 70x10

Machine rear delt (lb)
105x14, 125x12, 140x12

Two cable facepull (lb each side)
17.5x11, 22.5x11

Hammer curl (kg each side)
Warmup, 17.5x8, 20x7, 22.5x8

Preacher curl machine (kg)
17.5x12, 25x11, 32.5x10

Y raises

20 min incline treadmill
You are doing great on this. You're not over-training and you're maintaining your body. @waggat The stretching and yoga is extremely smart.
 
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