anavar+ tbol for doubling up orals

[oaszer]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

 

[LevButlerov]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

I think stick to anavar or tbol not both, and adding n2guard would help with any orals

 

[stevesmi]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

steroids are not fat burners. i say use reta and dial in your training/diet first

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Where is your test base?

 

[2Thick]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

I would do 25 mg of one and then do 10 mg of D-Bol. That is a smarter stack.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

Is the oral only cycle because of a fear of needles or lack of privacy to use them?
Oral only cycles can be effective but they are to be respected too and not piled on top of each other due to hepatoxicity.

Stick to anavar as a starter, one oral at a time. As it stands you'll need N2Guard even with just anavar. 7 caps ED
Get your N2Guard here https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

 

[Mobster]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

Too young. Next

 

[Ulter]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

You'll do fine on 25 mg of each. I think that's actually a good idea rather than doing 50.

 

[wolf85]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

Taking 2 orals regardless of dose is always a bad mix

 

[ROIDDERS]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

Tbol is an awesome oral steroids. i don't see the big deal if you are using half of the dosages to mix them

 

[ceo]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

bros i would stack it like this:

dbol 20mgs a day
tbol 30mgs a day

perfect

 

[ballin2504]

I would stick with one or the other

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Is the oral only cycle because of a fear of needles or lack of privacy to use them?
Oral only cycles can be effective but they are to be respected too and not piled on top of each other due to hepatoxicity.

Stick to anavar as a starter, one oral at a time. As it stands you'll need N2Guard even with just anavar. 7 caps ED
Get your N2Guard here https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

This is terrible advice.

An oral only cycle is going to supress your HPTA and replace it with a hormone that is not only NOT bio-identical, but not the core hormone thay makes you function as a man,

You NEED testosterone at all times as a male, either your natural HPTA production, or synthetically replaced.

Testosterone converts into estrogren, DHT, DHEA, pregnenolone and various other neuro-steriods and other downstream hormones that makes your body function.

Not only that, you are shutting down essential bodily processes, while supplying organ stress. No HPTA production means no testosterone is being produced, which means there is no conversion to estrogren.

Estrogren is a crucial hormone for cardiovascular protection, brain function and anti-oxidant support. No amount of n2guard is going to help offset that loss of a crucial hormone.

For some reason, the only people who still promote, encourage or even tolerate an oral only cycle is the American PED scene. You guys really need to exit that rationale.

 

[HarleyGuy]

This is terrible advice.

An oral only cycle is going to supress your HPTA and replace it with a hormone that is not only NOT bio-identical, but not the core hormone thay makes you function as a man,

You NEED testosterone at all times as a male, either your natural HPTA production, or synthetically replaced.

Testosterone converts into estrogren, DHT, DHEA, pregnenolone and various other neuro-steriods and other downstream hormones that makes your body function.

Not only that, you are shutting down essential bodily processes, while supplying organ stress. No HPTA production means no testosterone is being produced, which means there is no conversion to estrogren.

Estrogren is a crucial hormone for cardiovascular protection, brain function and anti-oxidant support. No amount of n2guard is going to help offset that loss of a crucial hormone.

For some reason, the only people who still promote, encourage or even tolerate an oral only cycle is the American PED scene. You guys really need to exit that rationale.

Haha I tried this argument myself with @stevesmi and @Mobster to stir up a quarrel and it worked! I got shut down hard with facts about keeping it short and using them dosed properly.

Oral only cycles can have their place.

I'll link the podcast here when it drops, it's another good "orals only" podcast.

 

[jerseyshoremuscles]

I do not believe you will get the results you are looking for from double oral. Anavar and tbol have overlaping effects and I believe you will have diminishing results.

Do some research on
Testosterone cypionate
Tirzepatide
Hgh

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Haha I tried this argument myself with @stevesmi and @Mobster to stir up a quarrel and it worked! I got shut down hard with facts about keeping it short and using them dosed properly.

Oral only cycles can have their place.

I'll link the podcast here when it drops, it's another good "orals only" podcast.

Everything has its place, if the place is "the worst way to do something"

I could make a grilled cheese sandwhich with a clothes iron. Its probably the dumbest way to do so.

 

[stevesmi]

Everything has its place, if the place is "the worst way to do something"

I could make a grilled cheese sandwhich with a clothes iron. Its probably the dumbest way to do so.

when I first got into this game I would say the same thing. gotta use test as a base! EQ is for horses not humans! don't combine deca with nolva! don't combine a nandrolone with tren! don't use oral steroids! and don't use oral only steroid cycles! one day a guy i respected the hell out of told me that each and every one of those were BS myths so i tried each of those things above and realized how effective forum parroting can be. cause i ended up just fine in each situation. there is such thing as PREFERENCES but in the end that doesn't apply to everyone. i'm not a fan of deca for example cause it makes my appetite stupidly high, but that doesn't mean it isn't effective for others.

there are certain situations where oral only cycles are advantageous

i have done them plenty so has @Mobster. I know one of the top crossfit athletes in the USA has not done injectable steroids once in his life. only oral cycles.

i can tell you a perfect example of why oral only can be advantegous. you recover way faster since they are in/out quicker. to bulk up doing a quick 4-5 week dbol or anadrol cycle. or cutting or more strength doing a quick superdrol, var, tbol cycle works just fine. i've done them many times over the years. currently doing tbol only for the summer.

another situation is some people simply do not react well to testosterone. i've had clients run even a tiny amount and get gyno issues. even on an AI they still get itchy nipples and these are guys who are lean too.

e.. in the 70's they never ran test cycles and it was the golden age of bodybuilding. you didn't see guys start using test in cycles until the very late 80's and 90's when they figured out they could use nolvadex on cycle as an anti estrogen. also you know that today pros will stop testosterone ahead of their contests in a lot of cases to help them cut and dry out. if you take a look at the pros who have had autopsy's done on them after death right before a contest you will see tons of EQ, 2-3grams, tren, oral steroids, and no test found at all. so they are doing 4-5g cycles without test.
people use sarms or pro hormones without testosterone plenty. the same guys who argue you need test are the same guys advocate sarms (who are repping sarms) online. that is the irony. so sarms which are also suppressive and cause liver strain are okay without test, but using anavar for 4 weeks without test will neuter you and is stupid? makes no sense.

if you are a juicehead, TRT person (andriol and creams do exist but aren't as effective of course) or a long term competitor then yes you should do injectables of course, but there are plenty of examples of orals and cycles without test being effective

keep in mind the whole "you need to run test" in your cycles started in the late 2000's/2010's on forums by guys who were repping for sources or actual trying to make bigger commissions/margins since at that time testosterone was so cheap to produce and sold for a huge margin. from there it started to get parroted as gospel by the younger guys. ask anyone who is 50+ who is a juicehead and they will tell you they've done plenty of cycles without test and lived to tell the tale

 

[Nasser1997o2]

when I first got into this game I would say the same thing. gotta use test as a base! EQ is for horses not humans! don't combine deca with nolva! don't combine a nandrolone with tren! don't use oral steroids! and don't use oral only steroid cycles! one day a guy i respected the hell out of told me that each and every one of those were BS myths so i tried each of those things above and realized how effective forum parroting can be. cause i ended up just fine in each situation. there is such thing as PREFERENCES but in the end that doesn't apply to everyone. i'm not a fan of deca for example cause it makes my appetite stupidly high, but that doesn't mean it isn't effective for others.

there are certain situations where oral only cycles are advantageous

i have done them plenty so has @Mobster. I know one of the top crossfit athletes in the USA has not done injectable steroids once in his life. only oral cycles.

i can tell you a perfect example of why oral only can be advantegous. you recover way faster since they are in/out quicker. to bulk up doing a quick 4-5 week dbol or anadrol cycle. or cutting or more strength doing a quick superdrol, var, tbol cycle works just fine. i've done them many times over the years. currently doing tbol only for the summer.

another situation is some people simply do not react well to testosterone. i've had clients run even a tiny amount and get gyno issues. even on an AI they still get itchy nipples and these are guys who are lean too.

e.. in the 70's they never ran test cycles and it was the golden age of bodybuilding. you didn't see guys start using test in cycles until the very late 80's and 90's when they figured out they could use nolvadex on cycle as an anti estrogen. also you know that today pros will stop testosterone ahead of their contests in a lot of cases to help them cut and dry out. if you take a look at the pros who have had autopsy's done on them after death right before a contest you will see tons of EQ, 2-3grams, tren, oral steroids, and no test found at all. so they are doing 4-5g cycles without test.
people use sarms or pro hormones without testosterone plenty. the same guys who argue you need test are the same guys advocate sarms (who are repping sarms) online. that is the irony. so sarms which are also suppressive and cause liver strain are okay without test, but using anavar for 4 weeks without test will neuter you and is stupid? makes no sense.

if you are a juicehead, TRT person (andriol and creams do exist but aren't as effective of course) or a long term competitor then yes you should do injectables of course, but there are plenty of examples of orals and cycles without test being effective

keep in mind the whole "you need to run test" in your cycles started in the late 2000's/2010's on forums by guys who were repping for sources or actual trying to make bigger commissions/margins since at that time testosterone was so cheap to produce and sold for a huge margin. from there it started to get parroted as gospel by the younger guys. ask anyone who is 50+ who is a juicehead and they will tell you they've done plenty of cycles without test and lived to tell the tale

I will agree that there is a very small amount of small use cases in which an oral only cycle might be needed. If you need to cheat a drug test (like the crossfit athlete) or if you need to clear out test to dry out for a bb comp.

I would argue that the overwhelming majority of people who ask about an oral only cycle are neither of those things. They are vastly represented by younger kids, who are more likely to be afraid of needles.

Lots of "pro-athletes", long term lifters and PED users do terrible protocols. I could claim that cocaine for a week straight before an MMA fight is the best thing ever, because Jon Jones did it.

The golden age bodybuilders didnt use Synthetic testosteroe because they didnt have access to it. As soon as they did, its became the standard. As it is the medical standard.

Sure, i could ask older lifter whats cycles they did. They also never got bloodwork, never got HPLC tests and often have terrible health.

"Just trust me bro" - Doesnt fly, when it comes to the use of hormones.

Your stance is only promoted by the smallest percentage of PED users, and its seems to be condensed purely to older Americans. Absolutely no respected modern PED educator would agree.

 

[Nasser1997o2]

@stevesmi

I hope my replies aren't rude or come off as arrogant or argumentative.

Im purely coming at this from a point of debate, from the opposite stance.

 

[stevesmi]

@stevesmi

I hope my replies aren't rude or come off as arrogant or argumentative.

Im purely coming at this from a point of debate, from the opposite stance.

It’s fine but remember in fitness you need to approach things more grey then black/white

I’ve changed many opinions over the years. Flexibility is important to improve.

example is peptides: 15 or 20 years ago people would make fun of each other for using peptides. go look up old posts on EF for example and people would laugh at people who would merely suggest peptides. now they are a staple in a lot of cycles and have a lot of benefits. if you aren't willing to try something that the mainstream 'modern PED guru' as you say doesn't agree with then you won't go anywhere.

we will have to bring you back though in the future on the podcast to go over this and we can get more in depth on the subject. but in the mean time PLENTY of guys and gals are doing oral only cycles or cycles without test. you are right, it isn't the majority but it does happen so we need to still help them

 

[Mobster]

Taking 2 orals regardless of dose is always a bad mix

Nope. It'd be no different to taking 5 x 10mg tabs of any oral. Esp Var and TBol. Arguably the CHOICE of orals might be an issue. Halo and Cheque Drops at similar doses would be an issue for sure

It's the same effect here as 50mg of either. Same level of methyl-isation

By this logic only on meat or veg per meal

 

[Ulter]

I will agree that there is a very small amount of small use cases in which an oral only cycle might be needed. If you need to cheat a drug test (like the crossfit athlete) or if you need to clear out test to dry out for a bb comp.

I would argue that the overwhelming majority of people who ask about an oral only cycle are neither of those things. They are vastly represented by younger kids, who are more likely to be afraid of needles.

Lots of "pro-athletes", long term lifters and PED users do terrible protocols. I could claim that cocaine for a week straight before an MMA fight is the best thing ever, because Jon Jones did it.

The golden age bodybuilders didnt use Synthetic testosteroe because they didnt have access to it. As soon as they did, its became the standard. As it is the medical standard.

Sure, i could ask older lifter whats cycles they did. They also never got bloodwork, never got HPLC tests and often have terrible health.

"Just trust me bro" - Doesnt fly, when it comes to the use of hormones.

Your stance is only promoted by the smallest percentage of PED users, and its seems to be condensed purely to older Americans. Absolutely no respected modern PED educator would agree.

I can't tell you how many times I've done dbol solo or anavar solo for 6-8 weeks with great results, or Abombs for 4 weeks

why would I add test to dbol and end up like a bloated fish? we used to laugh at guys who did that, they ended up with gyno. sometimes leaving out test is beneficial too. not everyone has your particular goals

I would argue orals like superdrol or cheque drops should absolutely be used solo in all situations. the sides of stacking test or any steroid on top becomes counter productive. even anadrol or dbol would be more logical to use without test with

 

[Mobster]

I can't tell you how many times I've done dbol solo or anavar solo for 6-8 weeks with great results, or Abombs for 4 weeks

why would I add test to dbol and end up like a bloated fish? we used to laugh at guys who did that, they ended up with gyno. sometimes leaving out test is beneficial too. not everyone has your particular goals

1. I would argue orals like superdrol or cheque drops should absolutely be used solo in all situations. the sides of stacking test or any steroid on top becomes counter productive. even 2. anadrol or dbol would be more logical to use without test with

Agreed in point 1 and my preference is as you say for point 2 but others might differ

 

[Lawyerguy1]

I was thinking that rather than doing Anavar at 50 mg a day, I would do it at 25 mg a day and then add TBol at 25 mg a day on top of it. This would be a 10-week cycle. I plan on using 7 capsules of N2Guard as well.
24 yrs old. I'm 212 lb, about 16% body fat, and my goal is to get closer to 10%. What do you think about this layout?

I’ve doubled on anavar and T-bol, and also anavar and winstrol. Is it recommended? Not really. Can you do it? You can do anything you want based on your risk tolerance level. T-bol really doesn’t do anything for cutting. Anavar itself is not a cutting agent, but it helps you maintain muscle mass while you are in a calorie deficit. The fat loss comes from the other things you’re doing not from the anavar. Beyond that I would not take either one or in combination if I was not also using it, testosterone base. For me that’s easy because I’m on TRT anyway and I can cycle testosterone at higher levels if I want to.

You’re very young to be considering these things one way or the other, you should be able to achieve your goal without compound at your age and likely current fitness level. If I were you, I think you’re better off looking into non-steroid compounds. Once you start messing too directly with hormone levels the more likely you are to have long-term adverse effects. You’re at an age where your body can build muscle very easily anyway. When you get to be an old man like me that gets a little more challenging. But I’m also less likely to be worried about long-term hormone levels just in the sense that I am at an age where many people would be considering TRT anyway if they are living a fitness centered lifestyle.