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They are one of my genetic strong points bro. Would have to say my back is just as goodWhat I love about your log is you have the best leg shotstight ripped legs each time @Demon_throne
Approved Log Bodybuilding Contest Prep Cycle Log - 2027 Season C
- Thread starter Demon_throne
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- bodybuilding growth phase
Pull
Pull up's
- Bw x22
- Bw+ 17.5kg x 11
- 20kg x 20
- 20kg x 20
- 40kg x 9
- 40kg x 8
Machine low row
Feeders
- 47kg x10
- 61kg x 10
- 91.5kg x9
- 89kg x8
- 30kg x10
Reverse peck deck
Feeder sets
- 54kg x 10
- 68kg x10
- 91.5kg x10
- 91.5kg x9
Cable face pull
Feeder sets
- 17.5kg x10
- 25kg x10
- 36.25kg x 10
- 36.25kg x9
Machine bicep curl (Cybeex eagle arm curl)
Feeder sets
- 31.5kg x10
- 49.5kg x 10
- 85.5kg x 8
- 85.5kg x7
- 31.5kg x failure/partials
Db hammer curl
Feeder set
- 15kg x10
- 20kg x9
- 20kg x8
- All the way down the track from 20kg-12.5kg
EXCITING UPDSTE COMING LATER!!!!
Use the 20kg plates next time for more aura?Great update again brother.
Ton of range in that session legend
There's 4x10'sIf you think that is necessary, sure why not
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wide back the win is the pull ups! @Demon_throne @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc
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Raman's bro if there's any type of machines people are interested in I might even do mini tours. Like all our fly machines for example. I think that could be fun that way if anyone is traveling around my neck of the woods they know what gym to useGym looks amazing bro!
Killer update
Nice workout mate. Looks like a good selection of exercises. 22 BW pull-ups and 11 with 17.5kg is impressive!
Hahhaha man I love this so muchRaman's bro if there's any type of machines people are interested in I might even do mini tours. Like all our fly machines for example. I think that could be fun that way if anyone is traveling around my neck of the woods they know what gym to use
All the kit looks so nice, I’m in the stone ages with my option - but I love seeing what the boys have access to
Back looking incredible. Wide nice pump
Love this session!! Looking forward for the upcoming news
If you had only school naughtalas (fucked the spelling you know what I mean) that would be sickHahhaha man I love this so much
All the kit looks so nice, I’m in the stone ages with my option - but I love seeing what the boys have access to
Sponsor update.
Of corse in sponsored by SCL @Southern Cross Labs but I've also picked up @CladHQ for my log here on evo, what I am logging for clad will be dropped once the TD goes up as it's been sent out today
@Thoranosaurus_flex
@Fillo Calves
Of corse in sponsored by SCL @Southern Cross Labs but I've also picked up @CladHQ for my log here on evo, what I am logging for clad will be dropped once the TD goes up as it's been sent out today
@Thoranosaurus_flex
@Fillo Calves
Full sponsor kit dialled in ahead of the Season C run is exactly the setup you want this deep in the growth phase brother
I believe!!!!
This post is tooo important to not be on both my logs 
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
Looking sharp as fuck brother
Thanks bro. I start gaining to much fat to fast. Slap me
Every metric tracked , elite log post bro.This post is tooo important to not be on both my logs
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
View attachment 219051View attachment 219052
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
View attachment 219054
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
View attachment 219049
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
Seriously obsessed
I wonder where that 1.5 kg is sitting mostly just in your muscles as glycogen perhaps
That's the honest assessment water and glycogen. Yeah compared to the end of the cut I'm a bit softer in the lower abs but as stated water and fats have been very low so some may be due to gastric slowing as well from having a healthy amount of fat
Great write up brother. Really working hard on keeping everything in balance and tightly controlled. You are looking fabulous still and your work ethic is driving this nicely. Going well so far legend.This post is tooo important to not be on both my logs
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
View attachment 219051View attachment 219052
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
View attachment 219054
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
View attachment 219049
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
Love these spreadsheets brotherThis post is tooo important to not be on both my logs
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
View attachment 219051View attachment 219052
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
View attachment 219054
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
View attachment 219049
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
Thanks bro, it's the things like this that's given me "exceptions" some logs are just basic all the time. Some members like yourself here on evo go above and beyond hence the chair member title and badge. I don't think it will be long before you get a promotion to platinumGreat write up brother. Really working hard on keeping everything in balance and tightly controlled. You are looking fabulous still and your work ethic is driving this nicely. Going well so far legend.
Thanks bro I obviously started that along time before I considered logging more for myself.Love these spreadsheets brother
Cutting phases in total = 32 weeks
Growth (excluding current)=70 weeks
Honestly a better split that it has felt like but with the plan and corse of action I'm talking
By then end of this "phase" if everything goes to plan. Between Easter 2026 and Easter 2027 the "cut weeks" should only go up by 8-12. Which is also when @Gains Man Nd myself will decide if season c 2027 or season A 2028 will be my best opportunity for my debut
Then once prep hits (considering they are on average 16-20 weeks) not saying you can't grow into competition but it is a dedicated fat loss phase that's the only time I'm planning on the "cut weeks" to receive anything more then 4-6 weeks meaning out of any given non competition year I can ideally be gaining for 40 weeks.
Because in the past my bulks were not controlled and I do cut very aggressive.
Ie: + 9.5kg in 11 weeks and my 2 proper cuts averaged 1.3-1.4kg a week
I believe that is on paper the best way for things to be but things happen in life and no one is perfect
Excellent plan going forward brotherThanks bro, it's the things like this that's given me "exceptions" some logs are just basic all the time. Some members like yourself here on evo go above and beyond hence the chair member title and badge. I don't think it will be long before you get a promotion to platinum
Thanks bro I obviously started that along time before I considered logging more for myself.
Cutting phases in total = 32 weeks
Growth (excluding current)=70 weeks
Honestly a better split that it has felt like but with the plan and corse of action I'm talking
By then end of this "phase" if everything goes to plan. Between Easter 2026 and Easter 2027 the "cut weeks" should only go up by 8-12. Which is also when @Gains Man Nd myself will decide if season c 2027 or season A 2028 will be my best opportunity for my debut
Then once prep hits (considering they are on average 16-20 weeks) not saying you can't grow into competition but it is a dedicated fat loss phase that's the only time I'm planning on the "cut weeks" to receive anything more then 4-6 weeks meaning out of any given non competition year I can ideally be gaining for 40 weeks.
Because in the past my bulks were not controlled and I do cut very aggressive.
Ie: + 9.5kg in 11 weeks and my 2 proper cuts averaged 1.3-1.4kg a week
I believe that is on paper the best way for things to be but things happen in life and no one is perfect
Let's see which plan pulls the better results. As I had a hand in crafting yours considering it's an idea I was toying with for my piviot down the trackExcellent plan going forward brother
A cycle ratio is one thing. The real results will come from training and diet let's not overplay it.Let's see which plan pulls the better results. As I had a hand in crafting yours considering it's an idea I was toying with for my piviot down the track
Ad we both know both our traning and diets are on point we very much well cover them on our logs
And neither of us want to be fat ,Ad we both know both our traning and diets are on point we very much well cover them on our logs
There's only one type of fat I'll accept on my body and if I post that on here I'll surly be banned on the spotAnd neither of us want to be fat ,
There's only one type of fat I'll accept on my body and if I post that on here I'll surly be banned on the spot
Bloods are back all systems go as soon as DHB TD
Excited. Watch the pip heard it can be as bad as primo
Bloods are back all systems go as soon as DHB TD
@Southern Cross Labs
Daily injections.
Why? I don't use short esters. For me it's about ease and convinience.
Above is 18 days worth of oil ready to go. 1ml a day yes I could have fit them into one syringe per day.
I also find more stable levels and less sides with specific compounds.
Take for example using 350mg of test E now if you are using a test 250
You could run
2 shots at 0.7ml (175mg)
3 shots at 0.466ml (116.7mg)
7 shots at 0.2ml (50mg)
With less frequent larger injections I find since your blood levels peek and slowly go down I personally experience more sides even with test.
Body fat was much lower in one of them but here are 2 examples of myself using 2 different methods on the same mg for mg basis
5x50mg injections
2x125mg injections
Both sets of bloods were taken 24hrs post last pin
Now a few things in the top set of bloods that was after my most recent cut.
Where I was looking like this.
Compared to
Pre last growth phase ((photo lines up with end of cut 2 in my graph if you want to check back with that))
(wasn't in a position to push food and drugs but my coach at the time wanted to do as such)
Why? I don't use short esters. For me it's about ease and convinience.
Above is 18 days worth of oil ready to go. 1ml a day yes I could have fit them into one syringe per day.
I also find more stable levels and less sides with specific compounds.
Take for example using 350mg of test E now if you are using a test 250
You could run
2 shots at 0.7ml (175mg)
3 shots at 0.466ml (116.7mg)
7 shots at 0.2ml (50mg)
With less frequent larger injections I find since your blood levels peek and slowly go down I personally experience more sides even with test.
Body fat was much lower in one of them but here are 2 examples of myself using 2 different methods on the same mg for mg basis
5x50mg injections
2x125mg injections
Both sets of bloods were taken 24hrs post last pin
Now a few things in the top set of bloods that was after my most recent cut.
Where I was looking like this.
Compared to
Pre last growth phase ((photo lines up with end of cut 2 in my graph if you want to check back with that))
(wasn't in a position to push food and drugs but my coach at the time wanted to do as such)
Awesome update brother. What size pins are you using? Are these IM?
29g everything is done IMAwesome update brother. What size pins are you using? Are these IM?
even my peps
I use a test tube holder to backfill my pin. Have you got one too? My hand used to cramp up
No it's on the 2 get list. Might even hit up @PepBox snd see if he could make me a custom 14 day holder (not that I need to get another oil one as is anywayI use a test tube holder to backfill my pin. Have you got one too? My hand used to cramp up
Hey mate I mean no disrespect when I ask this. Who is your coach? I think most of Evo is unsure as to why you need 2g of gear this early on into your journey?
It's not 2 g
some of what I am using is 100mg/ml concentration.In this entire log where have I mentioned my weekly mg
On that note some people on here run 100mg of orals a day and people like you don't bat an eye
As you stated earlier you don’t use short esters. All longer Esters bar the odd primo are minimum 200-250mg. 7x250mg average is 1750mg weekly.
Would actually argue most come in at 200. And a lot of the time there slightly under dosed. Do you go off the label or the jano's???
Take sassy's batch of mast e 200. It came back at a smidge under 250 (over dosed) now would you treat it as 200mg/ml and go off the label and make the adjustments to hit the required dosage due to the jano testing?
Something being 200mg/ml but testing at say 180 I compensate the ml's for the desired mg.
The right way to do things to be accurate.
Enjoy your day princess.
Also it’s not ‘people like me’ giving you shit. It’s the opposite, it’s a fellow evo member concerned for you own health bro.
I’ve watched your log for the 3 months you’ve been on evo and its escalation after escalation. Youre so early into the journey bro that if you’re starting out at close to 2g your only way is up in the future.
Even if 2g isn’t ’hurting you’ now, time on it or continued escalation will.
I’ve followed your journey and appreciate your commitment but I won’t sit back and watch you potentially hurt yourself with these crazy doses.
TDLR, I’m genuinely looking out for you, not having a go at all.
I’ve watched your log for the 3 months you’ve been on evo and its escalation after escalation. Youre so early into the journey bro that if you’re starting out at close to 2g your only way is up in the future.
Even if 2g isn’t ’hurting you’ now, time on it or continued escalation will.
I’ve followed your journey and appreciate your commitment but I won’t sit back and watch you potentially hurt yourself with these crazy doses.
TDLR, I’m genuinely looking out for you, not having a go at all.
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sharp lean and rippedThis post is tooo important to not be on both my logs
How do you know your body is responding well to what you are doing?
It's the big question everyone always has especially coming out of a massive cut/transformstion.
View attachment 219051View attachment 219052
Well for me coming out of this cut was a bit scary. As every previous growth phase I've done has only lasted 3 months before I got to fat so seeing the scale move freaks me the fuck out sometimes.
View attachment 219054
But what I'm going off this growth phase is photos and measurements over the scale number. Since Sunday I'm up 1.5kg with no change in my waist. Up almost 7kg in 6 weeks. Waist is up 1.34 cm in that time
Now why/how has the scale moved so much in a short amount of time? Turns out I was hydrating enough but I wasn't feeding the carbs enough water.
During my cut I developed an addiction to coconut water, now while it's an excellent source for electrolytes its binding affinity with carbs is lower then water with a pinch of salt.
My dietary fats were also low as fuck. Now they are more in range sitting at 58grams a day compared to the 25-35 they have been at since 3/4 way through the cut.
Learn to listen to your body. This also goes for things not related to the gym, I hit my head today at work and went to try and train legs. It just worsened my situation to the point I've called in sick for my Thursday shift.
View attachment 219049
Yes a little softer but over the next year before I commit to season C 2027 or make the decision to push it back to season a 2028 I'm going to have an extremely productive growth phase no more 3 month growth 3 month cut, plan is to grow but remain with in striking distance of getting back to that leanest version of myself I have ever had.
Working along side amazing people and vendors, having the support of the mod team/ chairmen and up members I know you fuckers will help keep me accountable.
@Southern Cross Labs
The team
@bss
@Kouta
@Ohdamn
@Menzy
@Kopite67
@jenkemj
@Made_Man
@theJimJim
@aquadux
@Demon_throne
@Pound2749
@KaneD / @KaneDen
@Boydie
@TheBigT28
@Rudeus
@San Andreas
_______________________
@Alice_In_Ironland
@Thoranosaurus_flex / @koba
@waggat
@Fillo Calves
@MUSTANG_18
@the_alcatraz
@gar71
@Grumpy1
@Abolone
@Allupfromhere
@Yuri1 / @Yuri
@LH5515
Appreciate you all
the before and after are amazing, you're truly making big progress @Demon_throne
It's no where as unhealthy as being a meth head blasting heroin drinking over a carton a day. Did that shit for over 7 years straight. AAS are nothing in comparison.
I understand that mate and I commemorate you for coming out the other side.
On evo we are all brothers and sisters so it’s out of place of concern as none of us want to see anything happen to one another
The concern about my health is something nice yes. But I'll put it into perspective. I use to do 14grams of meth a week.
Whatever dosage I am running my blood work is as good as it was pre cycle. Yes it's early days and no it's not being dropped it was more to see how the var was affecting lipids with Reta in the picture compared to last growth phase with out Reta.
My coach is there for check ins and to tell me if I'm getting fat/provide feed back and set my program so I don't over complicate it. By adding in myo-reps cluster sets and adding intensifiers to everything
My plan/protocol is mine alone, nothing to do with him.
@IRONCLAD LABS @CladHQ
Just joined the team officially @Thoranosaurus_flex @Fillo Calves
I will be logging a Basel dosage of lantus
Reta and hgh.
I'm glad to have you on board
Now I can really get to work in this growth phase
Just joined the team officially @Thoranosaurus_flex @Fillo Calves
I will be logging a Basel dosage of lantus
Reta and hgh.
I'm glad to have you on board
Now I can really get to work in this growth phase
There's an expression that comes to mind.
You shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.. like running your mouth while openly logging and advertising for a vendor who is not affiliated with EVO or EF or ABX, meaning your log possibly won't count for q2 as I'll be calling that out. When all the posts start going up, Otherwise people should still be allowed to mention H E L I O S. just saying.
I put in over 60hrs a week between my logs, replying to DM's and everything i have started doing behind the scenes, in relation to evo and ef
Yes since joining evo I'm onto my 3rd peptide sponsor.
Sponsor 1, our relationship ended because I enquired about switching up the package arrangement because one item "Klow" was no longer something I was wanting to use or run.
Sponsor 2, our relationship ended because I had bought meds from another vendor, 2/3 of the items I bought he didn't stock. (First and foremost this is my journey and if I need something I'm going to buy it) I did post a td at the time on the vendors thread but I didn't post anything on my log. So there was NO conflict of interest. He had also just been dropped by another member of the SCL logging team, and he also dropped another SCL logger in the days leading up to our relationship ending.
I was going to enter into a logging agreement with a new vendor on ef but I had been informed I may have to only log on one platform. The products were in transit as I received the news, I immediately offered to send them back as they had not even touched down. At which point we entered into negotiations where we agreed that blood work would cover some of the cost. 12 hrs post all of this going down I was informed that is not the case in relation to my logging.
Some days it honestly feel like every cunt on these forums thinks and feels like there managment.
With that rant over I'll be stepping back to my 2 min a week posts required for q2 for the foreseeable future. And limiting my time on the forums/dealing with anything that is honestly starting to become taxing. Length of time I'll be doing this is yet to be determined.
You shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house.. like running your mouth while openly logging and advertising for a vendor who is not affiliated with EVO or EF or ABX, meaning your log possibly won't count for q2 as I'll be calling that out. When all the posts start going up, Otherwise people should still be allowed to mention H E L I O S. just saying.
I put in over 60hrs a week between my logs, replying to DM's and everything i have started doing behind the scenes, in relation to evo and ef
Yes since joining evo I'm onto my 3rd peptide sponsor.
Sponsor 1, our relationship ended because I enquired about switching up the package arrangement because one item "Klow" was no longer something I was wanting to use or run.
Sponsor 2, our relationship ended because I had bought meds from another vendor, 2/3 of the items I bought he didn't stock. (First and foremost this is my journey and if I need something I'm going to buy it) I did post a td at the time on the vendors thread but I didn't post anything on my log. So there was NO conflict of interest. He had also just been dropped by another member of the SCL logging team, and he also dropped another SCL logger in the days leading up to our relationship ending.
I was going to enter into a logging agreement with a new vendor on ef but I had been informed I may have to only log on one platform. The products were in transit as I received the news, I immediately offered to send them back as they had not even touched down. At which point we entered into negotiations where we agreed that blood work would cover some of the cost. 12 hrs post all of this going down I was informed that is not the case in relation to my logging.
Some days it honestly feel like every cunt on these forums thinks and feels like there managment.
With that rant over I'll be stepping back to my 2 min a week posts required for q2 for the foreseeable future. And limiting my time on the forums/dealing with anything that is honestly starting to become taxing. Length of time I'll be doing this is yet to be determined.
Sorry to see this brother. Might be time to take a couple of steps back, rest and reset. You would be a huge loss to the Evo community if things escalated any further. We are here for you brother
@Southern Cross Labs
Not leaving just taking a back seat. For a bitSorry to see this brother. Might be time to take a couple of steps back, rest and reset. You would be a huge loss to the Evo community if things escalated any further. We are here for you brother
@Southern Cross Labs
I hear you bro, that’s a lot, especially with how much you’ve been putting in.
The sponsor stuff sounds like you handled it as properly as you could, you were upfront and just did what you needed for your own journey. Nothing wrong with that Imo
You’ve been consistent and real, and it shows. Your log’s genuinely inspiring and you’re a solid asset to the forums.
Stepping back makes sense bro, like it's been said you would be a huge loss for the evo community. Always got your back bro
As I said not going anywhere just limiting my time and exposure for a bit before I fully get burnt out and throw it all in in relation to loggingI hear you bro, that’s a lot, especially with how much you’ve been putting in.
The sponsor stuff sounds like you handled it as properly as you could, you were upfront and just did what you needed for your own journey. Nothing wrong with that Imo
You’ve been consistent and real, and it shows. Your log’s genuinely inspiring and you’re a solid asset to the forums.
Stepping back makes sense bro, like it's been said you would be a huge loss for the evo community. Always got your back bro
If that's the way that it played out, then I can't see anything wrong with how you conducted your business between yourself & the vendors.
Some people may not agree & there is always going to be two sides to every story, as each person's view is skewed by emotions that come with any of our thoughts & experiences.
But the one thing that I'm sure that anyone would agree upon is that you taking a step back to reset, to focus on why anyone became a part of their Journey in the first place & for you it's to be so big that you have to walk through a doorway sideways!
Go get it bro!
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Appreciate you brother.If that's the way that it played out, then I can't see anything wrong with how you conducted your business between yourself & the vendors.
Some people may not agree & there is always going to be two sides to every story, as each person's view is skewed by emotions that come with any of our thoughts & experiences.
But the one thing that I'm sure that anyone would agree upon is that you taking a step back to reset, to focus on why anyone became a part of their Journey in the first place & for you it's to be so big that you have to walk through a doorway sideways!
Go get it bro!
That saying does comes to mind… don’t throw rocks if you’re living in a glass house.
You’re out here firing shots, calling things out, acting like some sort of gatekeeper… all while bouncing between sponsors and trying to spin it like you’re the victim every time it doesn’t go your way.
Let’s be real for a second.
You’ve gone through multiple vendors in a short space of time. That is not bad luck, that is a pattern and people are starting to see it for what it is.
At the same time, you’re throwing around your title like it gives you authority over vendors, especially when Q2 gets mentioned. The tone isn’t about community safety it comes across like you’re excited to see vendors get cut rather than understanding why the standards exist in the first place.
That’s not leadership. That’s ego.
There’s also been enough chatter, both on and off Evo/EF, about you trying to leverage your position for free gear under the guise of 'services' that don’t actually help vendors meet requirements and that also doesn’t build the community, it only drains it.
On top of that, you’re quick to shoot down newer members about their cycles, yet can’t consistently justify your own choices when questioned. You can’t hold others to a standard you don’t live by yourself.
End of the day, this isn’t about one disagreement or one vendor it’s about how you’re moving.
The community grows when loggers, vendors and members all bring value and operate in good faith. Not when someone tries to work the system for personal gain while playing the victim when it does not go their way.
I will always been about building and protecting the aussie side of this community.
That means calling out bullshit when it starts affecting the bigger picture.
And right now, this is exactly whay this is becoming.
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nice TD there
One obvious thing I'd have done if I was with (for example) vendor A who i had an arrangement with is post pics of their product. If, as DT says, he needed products not sold by vendor A he goes and buys them. Let's say it's Test C. He mentions his stack as including Test C. He can even say he paid for it himself. So far so right.
It would, however, NOT make sense to post a pic of the rival vendors product as a kind of promotion. More so if he got it for free as that might seem like, as others infer, switching back and forth.
When I've logged anyone specific lab (UGFreak is one I did) I made sure they had what I needed and then ONLY used that lab for that log.
Finally and here's the important part - these Q2, Q3 and Q4 type logs are done to not promote the source but to get them approved. If a logger fucks that up it MIGHT mean a great source, with great product, doesn't get added because they didn't have loggers. Hence the idea of bouncing, or appearing to bounce, not being good for the forum and sources
Thinks, he will be made a moderator soon
SUNDAY-FUNDAY
(Yesterdays leg pump)
Week in Review
Week #4
⸻
Report Card
Weight change this week
• 19/4/26: 76.5kg
• 26/4/26: 78.05kg
• Weekly change: +1.55
⸻
Measurements (current number last week)
• Waist: 74cm -+0
• chest 104cm
(108cm flexed
• shoulders 119cm
• Left bi: 35cm -+0
• Right bi: 34.5cm +0.5
• Left quad: 57cm -+0
• Right quad: 57cm -+0
Shoulder to waist ratio 1.61q
⸻
Weekly Averages
• BP: 111/79
• RHR: 62
• Fasted glucose: 4.6
• Steps: ~11,000 ave/day
• Cardio: ~ 5hrs 30mins for the week
• Sleep: 6-8 hrs average
⸻
Calories (Past Week)
Calories (Coming Week)
No change this week possible increase next week
Numbers on paper are slightly off due to:
• Fiber being partially counted
• Food label rounding
Eg: 22.5g carbs is rounded to 23g
Note:
⸻
Program Adjustments
(Moving into the coming week)
• added 2 sets of delts to my first leg day
• Burnout / BW pump work added on legs(bw sissy's)
• burnout bw pump yet to be decided on for pull/ upper
Goal:
Slowly pushing up my recoverable volume before introducing additional metabolic stress.
Like myo-match-sets
⸻
Protocol Adjustments
Start date: 6/4/26
• lantus to kick off
Dropped
• Nothing this week
Control > Complexity
Metabolic stacking no longer in overload
Looking ahead:
⸻
Protocol phases 
Weeks 1–3: accumulation
Weeks 4–5: expression phase beginning
→ Test stable
→ Deca starting to show
→ EQ still building
Weeks 6→: full swing
WHERE WE ARE AT IN TERMS OF THE CYCLE IS BEYOND SET UP BUT BEFORE EXCACUTION.
Bloodwork planned:
• Week 8
• Week 16
⸻
Supplement Adjustments
• slight bump in fish oils 4g dha/epa
•
Considerations:
•
⸻
Post Gym Phase (Anabolic Window)
This is where everything gets put to use.
Training is the trigger — this is where the response happens.
Post-Workout
Protein: ~25g
Carbs: ~120g
Fats: ~18–20g
Post-Workout Protocol
• Insulin
⸻
Meal 4
• bagels and dark chocolate
• this is also where I take in my afternoon supplements of fish oils coq10, basically everything that out of my pre bed stack
This locks in the session and keeps the anabolic environment rolling
Next Update
Meal plan break down.
⸻
Recovery
Well managed with out additional aids.
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SPONSOR
⸻
AAS
@Southern Cross Labs
THREEMA ID: 3SHTVEX8
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/southern-cross-labs-intro-thread.109477/
⸻
Peps meds and mito
@CladHQ
THREEMA ID: NZJH7H3A
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ironclad-new-vendor-intro.108927/
⸻
Until next update- demon
(Yesterdays leg pump)
Week in Review
Week #4
⸻
Report CardWeight change this week
• 19/4/26: 76.5kg
• 26/4/26: 78.05kg
• Weekly change: +1.55
⸻
Measurements (current number last week)
• Waist: 74cm -+0
• chest 104cm
(108cm flexed
• shoulders 119cm
• Left bi: 35cm -+0
• Right bi: 34.5cm +0.5
• Left quad: 57cm -+0
• Right quad: 57cm -+0
Shoulder to waist ratio 1.61q
⸻
Weekly Averages
• BP: 111/79
• RHR: 62
• Fasted glucose: 4.6
• Steps: ~11,000 ave/day
• Cardio: ~ 5hrs 30mins for the week
• Sleep: 6-8 hrs average
⸻
Calories (Past Week) Calories (Coming Week)No change this week possible increase next week
Numbers on paper are slightly off due to:
• Fiber being partially counted
• Food label rounding
Eg: 22.5g carbs is rounded to 23g
Note:
⸻
Program Adjustments(Moving into the coming week)
• added 2 sets of delts to my first leg day
• Burnout / BW pump work added on legs(bw sissy's)
• burnout bw pump yet to be decided on for pull/ upper
Goal:
Slowly pushing up my recoverable volume before introducing additional metabolic stress.
Like myo-match-sets
⸻
Protocol AdjustmentsStart date: 6/4/26
• lantus to kick off
Dropped
• Nothing this week
Control > Complexity
Metabolic stacking no longer in overload
Looking ahead:
⸻
Protocol phases Weeks 1–3: accumulation
Weeks 4–5: expression phase beginning
→ Test stable
→ Deca starting to show
→ EQ still building
Weeks 6→: full swing
WHERE WE ARE AT IN TERMS OF THE CYCLE IS BEYOND SET UP BUT BEFORE EXCACUTION.
Bloodwork planned:
• Week 8
• Week 16
⸻
Supplement Adjustments• slight bump in fish oils 4g dha/epa
•
Considerations:
•
⸻
Post Gym Phase (Anabolic Window)This is where everything gets put to use.
Training is the trigger — this is where the response happens.
Post-Workout Protein: ~25g
Carbs: ~120g
Fats: ~18–20g
Post-Workout Protocol• Insulin
⸻
Meal 4 • bagels and dark chocolate
• this is also where I take in my afternoon supplements of fish oils coq10, basically everything that out of my pre bed stack
This locks in the session and keeps the anabolic environment rolling
Next UpdateMeal plan break down.
⸻
RecoveryWell managed with out additional aids.
⸻
SPONSOR⸻
AAS
@Southern Cross Labs
THREEMA ID: 3SHTVEX8
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/southern-cross-labs-intro-thread.109477/
⸻
Peps meds and mito
@CladHQ
THREEMA ID: NZJH7H3A
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ironclad-new-vendor-intro.108927/
⸻
Until next update- demon
Nice update broSUNDAY-FUNDAY
View attachment 220734
(Yesterdays leg pump)
Week in Review
Week #4
⸻
Weight change this week
• 19/4/26: 76.5kg
• 26/4/26: 78.05kg
• Weekly change: +1.55
⸻
Measurements (current number last week)
• Waist: 74cm -+0
• chest 104cm
(108cm flexed
• shoulders 119cm
• Left bi: 35cm -+0
• Right bi: 34.5cm +0.5
• Left quad: 57cm -+0
• Right quad: 57cm -+0
Shoulder to waist ratio 1.61q
⸻
Weekly Averages
• BP: 111/79
• RHR: 62
• Fasted glucose: 4.6
• Steps: ~11,000 ave/day
• Cardio: ~ 5hrs 30mins for the week
• Sleep: 6-8 hrs average
⸻
View attachment 220733
View attachment 220732
No change this week possible increase next week
Numbers on paper are slightly off due to:
• Fiber being partially counted
• Food label rounding
Eg: 22.5g carbs is rounded to 23g
Note:
View attachment 220735
⸻
(Moving into the coming week)
• added 2 sets of delts to my first leg day
• Burnout / BW pump work added on legs(bw sissy's)
• burnout bw pump yet to be decided on for pull/ upper
Goal:
Slowly pushing up my recoverable volume before introducing additional metabolic stress.
Like myo-match-sets
⸻
Start date: 6/4/26
• lantus to kick off
Dropped
• Nothing this week
Control > Complexity
Metabolic stacking no longer in overload
Looking ahead:
⸻
Weeks 1–3: accumulation
Weeks 4–5: expression phase beginning
→ Test stable
→ Deca starting to show
→ EQ still building
Weeks 6→: full swing
WHERE WE ARE AT IN TERMS OF THE CYCLE IS BEYOND SET UP BUT BEFORE EXCACUTION.
Bloodwork planned:
• Week 8
• Week 16
⸻
• slight bump in fish oils 4g dha/epa
•
Considerations:
•
⸻
This is where everything gets put to use.
Training is the trigger — this is where the response happens.
Protein: ~25g
Carbs: ~120g
Fats: ~18–20g
• Insulin
⸻
• bagels and dark chocolate
• this is also where I take in my afternoon supplements of fish oils coq10, basically everything that out of my pre bed stack
This locks in the session and keeps the anabolic environment rolling
Meal plan break down.
⸻
Well managed with out additional aids.
⸻
⸻
AAS
@Southern Cross Labs
THREEMA ID: 3SHTVEX8
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/southern-cross-labs-intro-thread.109477/
⸻
Peps meds and mito
@CladHQ
THREEMA ID: NZJH7H3A
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ironclad-new-vendor-intro.108927/
⸻
Until next update- demon
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
looking real leanSUNDAY-FUNDAY
View attachment 220734
(Yesterdays leg pump)
Week in Review
Week #4
⸻
Weight change this week
• 19/4/26: 76.5kg
• 26/4/26: 78.05kg
• Weekly change: +1.55
⸻
Measurements (current number last week)
• Waist: 74cm -+0
• chest 104cm
(108cm flexed
• shoulders 119cm
• Left bi: 35cm -+0
• Right bi: 34.5cm +0.5
• Left quad: 57cm -+0
• Right quad: 57cm -+0
Shoulder to waist ratio 1.61q
⸻
Weekly Averages
• BP: 111/79
• RHR: 62
• Fasted glucose: 4.6
• Steps: ~11,000 ave/day
• Cardio: ~ 5hrs 30mins for the week
• Sleep: 6-8 hrs average
⸻
View attachment 220733
View attachment 220732
No change this week possible increase next week
Numbers on paper are slightly off due to:
• Fiber being partially counted
• Food label rounding
Eg: 22.5g carbs is rounded to 23g
Note:
View attachment 220735
⸻
(Moving into the coming week)
• added 2 sets of delts to my first leg day
• Burnout / BW pump work added on legs(bw sissy's)
• burnout bw pump yet to be decided on for pull/ upper
Goal:
Slowly pushing up my recoverable volume before introducing additional metabolic stress.
Like myo-match-sets
⸻
Start date: 6/4/26
• lantus to kick off
Dropped
• Nothing this week
Control > Complexity
Metabolic stacking no longer in overload
Looking ahead:
⸻
Weeks 1–3: accumulation
Weeks 4–5: expression phase beginning
→ Test stable
→ Deca starting to show
→ EQ still building
Weeks 6→: full swing
WHERE WE ARE AT IN TERMS OF THE CYCLE IS BEYOND SET UP BUT BEFORE EXCACUTION.
Bloodwork planned:
• Week 8
• Week 16
⸻
• slight bump in fish oils 4g dha/epa
•
Considerations:
•
⸻
This is where everything gets put to use.
Training is the trigger — this is where the response happens.
Protein: ~25g
Carbs: ~120g
Fats: ~18–20g
• Insulin
⸻
• bagels and dark chocolate
• this is also where I take in my afternoon supplements of fish oils coq10, basically everything that out of my pre bed stack
This locks in the session and keeps the anabolic environment rolling
Meal plan break down.
⸻
Well managed with out additional aids.
⸻
⸻
AAS
@Southern Cross Labs
THREEMA ID: 3SHTVEX8
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/southern-cross-labs-intro-thread.109477/
⸻
Peps meds and mito
@CladHQ
THREEMA ID: NZJH7H3A
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/ironclad-new-vendor-intro.108927/
⸻
Until next update- demon
keeping trianing goingEVO Fam!
I am sponsor 1 mentioned above. I have been happy to sit back on the sidelines and remain as professional as possible.
Until you start telling fibs about how and why I ended it all. You are making me out to look asif I am unreasonable or unapproachable as a sponsor. I have 16 people on Team War Born currently who I treat like family. We frequently discuss, switch and swap care packages surrounding their goals.
Our agreement didn't end over a negotiation over a vial of KLOW.
There was countless things which built upto me ending our sponsor/logger relationship.
Our initial agreed care package was:
150 IU HGH, 1 x MOTSC 40mg, 1 x KLOW 80mg and 1 x 20mL BAC Water per month.
We agreed we were both happy with that and it was going to last a month easy. The idea was to run this set up for a few months on repeat.
Within 2 weeks of entering our agreed care package you told me that your coach has said your MOTSC is to be taken everyday so you will need two MOTSC 40mg vials a month instead of one. I complied and went along with it thinking it wouldn't get worse. Being a new vendor I was desperate for loggers to not be suspended so bent to this demand.
You then started discussions of going from 5IU HGH a day to 10IU soon. I was a fresh vendor starting out. Having 3 loggers on HGH was expensive enough. Then when your talking about 10IU it was shocking. I shut that down straight away however it left a lasting impression.
Our communications which I felt were private eventually found their way to the forums. You would speak openly about upcoming product releases I had in mind or had on the way which I had only spoke with my loggers about. I would just chat with my loggers about these types of things to get them excited about the future etc.
You had stirred up our Team War Born group chat and started to openly question me about changing members care packages around and the stuff they were on. As a leader of a small team I don't need people coming for me on my decisions. Every logger I sign, I have an agreement with about products they are running and the duration they run them. Completely fair and transparent with everyone. I shut down this talk immediately but it also left an impression.
The final straw which broke the camels back came a few days after I had just sent out your final care package. You messaged on Threema at 3am. I was feeding my child a bottle and was tired AF. You wanted to switch and swap your $1000 a month care package around only 1 month into our agreement. I just was fed up with everything and said we are parting ways.
I have loggers who get Reta and GHKCU and they are so happy to be signed. You were never happy no matter how much you got given for free.
When we parted ways you stated publicly on your log that you would finish the month (20+ days left) logging on the generous care package I sent but within a week you had signed with United and were boasting about your care package from him.
I have treated all of this as a huge learning lesson in my vendor journey.
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LevButlerov
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We are reviewing this situation internally @War Born Peptides
@Eddie Haskell @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Noah Wixx @Mobster @HarleyGuy @Kopite67
I've just seen the other post by labs he scammed (DT started it on Thursday). He's scammed LOADS. Like 2-3 x 300ius GH alone
LevButlerov
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He hasn't been suspended, and I'm not even clear on the fully scope of the issue. He is MIA it looks like.
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