Controlling sides while bulking

[gpg9991]

Propranolol is a sympatholytic nonselective beta blocker. It is used to treat high blood pressure. Beta receptors are found on cells of the heart muscles, smooth muscles, airways, arteries, kidneys, and other tissues that are part of the sympathetic nervous system and lead to stress responses, especially when they are stimulated by epinephrine (adrenaline). Beta blockers interfere with the binding to the receptor of epinephrine and other stress hormones, and weaken the effects of stress hormones.

Propanolol also reduces anxiety,cortisol,lower blood pressure,and slow metabolism. sounds like it might be perfect to control a lot of the major steroid sides during a bulking cycle (especially tren and orals). I say bulking because beta blockers will inhibit drugs like clenbuterol and ECA stack so would not be beneficial while cutting.

Anyone have any experience or opinions?

 

[GymEagle]

Propranolol is a sympatholytic nonselective beta blocker. It is used to treat high blood pressure. Beta receptors are found on cells of the heart muscles, smooth muscles, airways, arteries, kidneys, and other tissues that are part of the sympathetic nervous system and lead to stress responses, especially when they are stimulated by epinephrine (adrenaline). Beta blockers interfere with the binding to the receptor of epinephrine and other stress hormones, and weaken the effects of stress hormones.

Propanolol also reduces anxiety,cortisol,lower blood pressure,and slow metabolism. sounds like it might be perfect to control a lot of the major steroid sides during a bulking cycle (especially tren and orals). I say bulking because beta blockers will inhibit drugs like clenbuterol and ECA stack so would not be beneficial while cutting.

Anyone have any experience or opinions?

I would be afraid to mess with beta blockers I would just stick to Anti-Estrogens and natural liver supports along with natural blood pressure control as all of those will help with sides. No experience with beta blockers at all but they seem a weird way to go about things to me.

 

[MikeSnow]

I would be afraid to mess with beta blockers I would just stick to Anti-Estrogens and natural liver supports along with natural blood pressure control as all of those will help with sides. No experience with beta blockers at all but they seem a weird way to go about things to me.

I agree with this there just seems like there might be some added complications and that's the last thing I'd want on cycle. But maybe someone with actual experience can chime in

 

[Mike710]

Yeah, kinda seems unnessary with so many natural options. High doses of EPA/DHA cover a good chunk of those effects, plus a whole host of others.

 

[Killdlnow3]

I used a beta blocker a while back for anxiety but wasn't messing with steroids then. Worked well for anxiety and didn't notice any negative sides

 

[stevesmi]

this is a good topic and goes back to the cliché of fast women, fast money and fast gains are bad!

the solution if you want to bulk is bulk smart and slow. set a 1 or 2 year goal.. I see skinny 155 pound guys who want to add 30 pounds to their frame in 12 weeks on sauce.. ummm.. no! think that is healthy on the body to add that much weight that fast? of course you are going to have sides when you do that!! that is your body rebelling. think its healthy for your soft tissues? and people wonder why their joints get fucked up

 

[rhynoplanet]

Many public speakers use propanolol to keep them relaxed for a big presentation.

 

[goldfinger]

I've used propanolol in the past for anxiety. It does lower your blood pressure,and makes you feel less nervous. However it's a short acting drug and not really ideal for keeping your blood pressure under control throughout the day.

 

[gpg9991]

supplement have there place but they are nowhere near as effective as actual medications. I don't care how much DHA or fish oil you take they will not control side as well as a medication. Especially when you are using strong anabolic compounds. why does taking a blood pressure medication not make it a "smart" bulk I never mentioned doses or extreme combos. Everyone respond different to AAS fro example i get blood pressure headaches from a mere 20 mg of Dbol making it an oral i can not use. I don't see how taking something to control that isn't a "smart" approach. I actually am prescribed this medication for migraines so i am not taking it to control sides. It is just a side benefit

 

[Mike710]

Everyone respond different to AAS fro example i get blood pressure headaches from a mere 20 mg of Dbol making it an oral i can not use. I don't see how taking something to control that isn't a "smart" approach.

You don't see why just not doing dbol is a smarter option? As you said we all respond differently, maybe a test p starter is better for you. Not sure why you took offence. The cool thing about this board is most members have your best interest at heart.
Also, using a prescription as a justification for drug use is pretty silly. Doctors are fallible, same as everyone.

 

[wrkout4eva]

GPG, do you check your BP daily when on or off a cycle? This medicine is used for anxiety but it is an older BP med. The biggest problem with this particular med is that it crosses the blood brain barrier, which isn't good. If you decide to use the Propanol(inderal) please always check you BP before taking it, last thing you need is to pass out from becoming hypotensive.

PS. A great Holistic alternative to to help lower high BP is Hawthorne Berry. If you google it on amazon, its very reasonable in price and one of the products has amazing reviews of people who lowered their dose or stopped some, not all of their BP meds

 

[Mike710]

GPG, do you check your BP daily when on or off a cycle? This medicine is used for anxiety but it is an older BP med. The biggest problem with this particular med is that it crosses the blood brain barrier, which isn't good. If you decide to use the Propanol(inderal) please always check you BP before taking it, last thing you need is to pass out from becoming hypotensive.

PS. A great Holistic alternative to to help lower high BP is Hawthorne Berry. If you google it on amazon, its very reasonable in price and one of the products has amazing reviews of people who lowered their dose or stopped some, not all of their BP meds

I'm a bit obsessed with this relatively new style of doctoring focusing on complete balance in health, and lowering or removing meds when they become redundant.

 

[rhynoplanet]

An alternative medicine to lowering BP is apple cider vinegar. Just the regular stuff you buy at the grocery store. Drink two tablespoons in a glass of water three times a day. It works miracles but takes a few weeks to start working. It is an all around wonder supplement for general health.

 

[hurricane]

supplement have there place but they are nowhere near as effective as actual medications. I don't care how much DHA or fish oil you take they will not control side as well as a medication. Especially when you are using strong anabolic compounds. why does taking a blood pressure medication not make it a "smart" bulk I never mentioned doses or extreme combos. Everyone respond different to AAS fro example i get blood pressure headaches from a mere 20 mg of Dbol making it an oral i can not use. I don't see how taking something to control that isn't a "smart" approach. I actually am prescribed this medication for migraines so i am not taking it to control sides. It is just a side benefit

Using medication is solve every health problem is extremely unheathly.Sure it needs to be done sometimes, but alot of the time there are natural ways to self medicate

 

[RickRock]

I would look very extensively into any other possible side effects caused before going this route. You could end up causing more harm than good

 

[gpg9991]

I had no intention of looking for a medication to lower blood pressure while on cycle. My doctor prescribed me this medication for chronic migraines. I googled it and saw it other affects such as lowering blood pressure,heart rate, and anxiety and thought maybe it would help with sides. The main purpose is to prevent migraines if it will help with sides that just a bonus. I was just curious if anyone had any experience. Mike710 i didn't intend to sound offended . I agree that's why i like this board u don't get flamed for asking a question member actually want to help.

 

[Mike710]

I had no intention of looking for a medication to lower blood pressure while on cycle. My doctor prescribed me this medication for chronic migraines. I googled it and saw it other affects such as lowering blood pressure,heart rate, and anxiety and thought maybe it would help with sides. The main purpose is to prevent migraines if it will help with sides that just a bonus. I was just curious if anyone had any experience. Mike710 i didn't intend to sound offended . I agree that's why i like this board u don't get flamed for asking a question member actually want to help.

All good, brother. Some times it's hard to interpret emotion through the keys. For what it's worth I've enjoyed reading your posts. Very informative.

 

[androdiesel89]

I don't know if everyone's seen "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", but when on the broad spectrum topic of performance enhancement in various careers and hobbies, beta blockers came up. Gear was spoken about in terms of athletics, amphetamines were discussed as it pertains to the use of them amoungst fighter pilots, beta blockers were used by musicians in this instance (IIRC). In the world of pharmacology as it relates to elite level body building, beta blockers are certainly not unheard of, just like other BP Meds (diazide, etc.), cholesterol meds, hell most of us use meds developed to combat estrogen driven cancers!!! It's pretty crazy to consider what all is used, both for it's intended purpose as well as the "positive side effects". But as the fellas said already, limiting RX stuff (IF it can be effectively replaced with natural products.ex.: Red yeast rice instead of a pretty harsh statin drug for cholesterol) is generally the better, healthier route brotha. Be safe

 

[Mike710]

I don't know if everyone's seen "Bigger, Stronger, Faster", but when on the broad spectrum topic of performance enhancement in various careers and hobbies, beta blockers came up. Gear was spoken about in terms of athletics, amphetamines were discussed as it pertains to the use of them amoungst fighter pilots, beta blockers were used by musicians in this instance (IIRC). In the world of pharmacology as it relates to elite level body building, beta blockers are certainly not unheard of, just like other BP Meds (diazide, etc.), cholesterol meds, hell most of us use meds developed to combat estrogen driven cancers!!! It's pretty crazy to consider what all is used, both for it's intended purpose as well as the "positive side effects". But as the fellas said already, limiting RX stuff (IF it can be effectively replaced with natural products.ex.: Red yeast rice instead of a pretty harsh statin drug for cholesterol) is generally the better, healthier route brotha. Be safe

Sorry off topic, but I couldn't believe that the US Air Force is not only the only air force to allow amphetamines, but actually required it in some cases.
And we wonder why our bros up there are sometimes overly trigger happy...

 

[JackSteel]

Inhibiting adrenaline isn't ever a good thing when lifting weights. You might lose some aggression.


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[JackSteel]

Sorry off topic, but I couldn't believe that the US Air Force is not only the only air force to allow amphetamines, but actually required it in some cases.
And we wonder why our bros up there are sometimes overly trigger happy...

Yeah... That's only the top of the barrel. Spec ops, etc also use the same stuff sometimes. It's really fucking unhealthy if you ask me. They need them to stay awake for unnatural lengths of time.


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[Shrine]

Interesting topic for sure. I've taken it before and it does work. Seems like it would actually work well with this type of approach to, but I can't say for sure