cycle without testosterone

[fighting60]

I'm an older guy, experienced in aas, wanted to run a 12 week cycle without test, thinking Eq 450mg wk, Deca 300mg wk, Primo 300mg wk along with Proviron 50mg day. Wanted to eliminate test to put less stress on cardiovascular system, liver and kidneys. I know its impossible to avoid temporary stress on your body while on aas, however, just looking to minimize any possible negative sides from water retention, blood pressure and lipids going crazy. Realize that I won't get huge on this, but with solid nutrition, sufficient sleep and hard training was hoping to put on 10-15 lbs of clean gains. Will do a solid 8-10 weeks of pct once the Eq clears my system. I'm 6' 5", 240 lbs at 12% bf. Has anyone here done cycles without test? If so, how were your results and what did you notice that was different when eliminating the test. Do you recommend adding or eliminating anything else? I appreciate your thoughts.

 

[Bhallaladeva]

I'm an older guy, experienced in aas, wanted to run a 12 week cycle without test, thinking Eq 450mg wk, Deca 300mg wk, Primo 300mg wk along with Proviron 50mg day. Wanted to eliminate test to put less stress on cardiovascular system, liver and kidneys. I know its impossible to avoid temporary stress on your body while on aas, however, just looking to minimize any possible negative sides from water retention, blood pressure and lipids going crazy. Realize that I won't get huge on this, but with solid nutrition, sufficient sleep and hard training was hoping to put on 10-15 lbs of clean gains. Will do a solid 8-10 weeks of pct once the Eq clears my system. I'm 6' 5", 240 lbs at 12% bf. Has anyone here done cycles without test? If so, how were your results and what did you notice that was different when eliminating the test. Do you recommend adding or eliminating anything else? I appreciate your thoughts.

I suggest to run test atleast at trt doses!

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[stevesmi]

dude that is still a lot of gear. consolidate things more.

take out either the EQ, deca, or primo.. or 2 of those.. keep the proviron in there. you will gain on that and no you don't need test in a cycle, that is parroted bro science and on evo we don't parrot shit like other sites

 

[Robthomas]

With deca I would have some test in there low test to have the balance high deca to shine just feel your recovery will be a harder rd with zero test


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[muskate]

I would drop the primo and add in a small amount of testosterone, something like 100-200mg/week. You aren't going to notice much from 300mg//week of primo and since you have proviron in your cycle, you already have a DHT derivative.

I would do something like this -

Testosterone 100-200mg/week
EQ 300-400mg/week
deca 300-400mg/week
proviron 50mg/day
aromasin 10mg EOD <- an AI is VERY important to minimize side effects such as water retention and blood pressure

 

[Mobster]

All those drugs are, of course, test based.

 

[fighting60]

Thanks to those who responded. Starting Jan 1st I'll do the following:

Test Cyp 200 wk
Eq 300 wk
Deca 300 wk
Proviron 50 day
Aromasin 12.5 day

I dropped the Primo and will save it for pre-contest time in the future. My goal was to have a test derivative, a dht derivative and a 19-nor derivative to achieve a synergistic effect . I'll post again in late March with results and again once I get my bloods done after pct.
Happy holidays to all and hope everyone has a successful 2018.

 

[abominable swoleman]

I'm an older guy, experienced in aas, wanted to run a 12 week cycle without test, thinking Eq 450mg wk, Deca 300mg wk, Primo 300mg wk along with Proviron 50mg day. Wanted to eliminate test to put less stress on cardiovascular system, liver and kidneys. I know its impossible to avoid temporary stress on your body while on aas, however, just looking to minimize any possible negative sides from water retention, blood pressure and lipids going crazy. Realize that I won't get huge on this, but with solid nutrition, sufficient sleep and hard training was hoping to put on 10-15 lbs of clean gains. Will do a solid 8-10 weeks of pct once the Eq clears my system. I'm 6' 5", 240 lbs at 12% bf. Has anyone here done cycles without test? If so, how were your results and what did you notice that was different when eliminating the test. Do you recommend adding or eliminating anything else? I appreciate your thoughts.

hey bro love your cycle but i would drop the eq for a low dose of test around 200 mgs a week tops

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im dumb saw ur updated cycle but i would atleast run 14-16 weeks as deca really starts to work around week 7-8 same with eq

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Unless you are estrogen sensitive, that is way too much aromasin. You are only running a TRT dose of test, and low doses of EQ and deca. EQ aromatizes extremely slowly and deca only about 25% what test does. Even 12.5mg EOD is pushing it I think. But as I said, you are experienced and may know that you are sensitive to estrogen.