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androdiesel89
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well it's generally accepted that you don't want to use both together, as in overlapping. If you were running a long cycle, I wouldn't see an issue with running deca with test the first say 10-12 weeks, then maybe tren ace the last four to six weeks. My inquiry would be why for you though? Maybe run the deca when bulking and tren during a cut/recomp. Just have more options to work with, either way good luck and be safe
For the most part it's not a good idea to combine two nandrolones because of the progestin activity. It can be done successfully if everything is controlled correctly, but that's only something I would recommend for advanced users. There's really not much point in combining them either in my opinion. Just using a little more of either compound makes more sense to me
if you are a newb probably shouldn't use either
using together you can do but as long as you understand what they both do.
deca will hit both estrogen and progesterone receptors in your breasts, this can be an issue. and it also raises DDA in the body (the opposite of DHT), hence why guys get deca dick on it.
tren is just so powerful and the sides can get bad that a newb has no reason to touch it, also you can get prolactin issues with it. it also wrecks your immune system and stomach flora. so it is too harsh for someone new
using together you can do but as long as you understand what they both do.
deca will hit both estrogen and progesterone receptors in your breasts, this can be an issue. and it also raises DDA in the body (the opposite of DHT), hence why guys get deca dick on it.
tren is just so powerful and the sides can get bad that a newb has no reason to touch it, also you can get prolactin issues with it. it also wrecks your immune system and stomach flora. so it is too harsh for someone new
no I mean it does not have to be stacked period.
there is zero scientific reasoning to stack test with it. theo only thing I have read is some smart ass who copies and pastes a couple paragraphs off another forum. even bill robers and the guru's that invented modern AAS use agree you don't need to stack test with tren.
there are certain compounds you want to stack test with... DHT derivatives because they bind to SHBG so they work better in a stack, compounds like var, primo, masteron, proviron, etc etc. should always stack those or you are wasting your money.
however tren is 5X more androgenic and anabolic than testosterone hence it does not need to be stacked to work great. it is the 2nd most anabolic compound in existence bodybuilders use aside from insulin
if you can't gain on tren at just 200mg a week solo then truly your diet and training is atrocious
hope this makes sense. i'm sure I will get 5 or 6 posts disagreeing with me from guys who never tried tren solo before. guys in the 70's and 80's routinely ran compounds without test to avoid aromatization before the concept of nolva or AI's came around to control gyno. but today thanks to bro science on forums you MUST run test as your base or you will die!
now I am not saying there aren't benefits to stacking with tren. but many times it can be counter productive because the sides become worse. compounds like primo, test, HGH are good if you want an immune system boost since tren suppresses immune system. another good idea with tren obviously is stacking caber for prolactin. and finally the biggie everyone ignores with tren is stacking a nice PRE biotic since tren destroys gut flora
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enrod
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Great info Steve and it's nice to see an opposing few from the norm. I found tren sides to be increased as the test dose increased. Perhaps no test at all would be even more beneficial. Then again, I usually run mast with my tren, so that low dose test has been my go to. Tren alone does sound like it would be worth a go.
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yeah people who know my philosophies know I don't parrot stuff.
DNP info gets parroted a lot on forums too by guys who never ran it.. same with insulin. when in reality it's a lot of bro science.
A lot of the articles I've published over the years through various websites were slammed when they first came out.. the big one was the one I did on high fructose corn syrup many years ago, which now is considered mainstream. then it was Gatorade, I remember I was slammed for my opinions on that as well. today everyone knows Gatorade is just marketing bullshit. in the end the truth always comes out on top.
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enrod
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I appreciate that, since I share the similar mind. I'd like to test it myself before giving honest advice. Insulin does scare me, even my contest coach told me he wouldn't recommend it. DNP I don't see the need for, I can maintain a diet. What did you slam Gatorade for? Overpriced powerade in my opinion, hence why my quick carb and bcaas mid workout is with powerade. By all means if there is a better choice I'm all ears.
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^^^ not to hijack the thread but Gatorade is full of sugars and additivies, some cancer causing like the dyes they use. Gatorade used to use an ingredient that cyclamate, which is a horrible sweetener that was banned by the FDA for causing cancer and liver damage. then they started using HFCS, and bromine which is a flame retardant. today it still contains a lot of sugar and it is a myth that it replenishes or hydrates better than water.
it is in no way healthy for athletes but they market it for that purpose.. it is very misleading. they should just come out and be straight up honest, it is no healthier than drinking soda or fruit flavored juice
another scam is 'vitamin water', courtesy of our good friends at coca cola. 33g of sugar per bottle and being sued for misleading consumers...
it is in no way healthy for athletes but they market it for that purpose.. it is very misleading. they should just come out and be straight up honest, it is no healthier than drinking soda or fruit flavored juice
another scam is 'vitamin water', courtesy of our good friends at coca cola. 33g of sugar per bottle and being sued for misleading consumers...
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Itsthework
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(and finally the biggie everyone ignores with tren is stacking a nice PRE biotic since tren destroys gut flora )
This statement makes me suspect the affect is significant. How does one know when this is occuring?
Itsthework
This statement makes me suspect the affect is significant. How does one know when this is occuring?
Itsthework
heartburn, bloat, stomach upset.. all are common when using tren
tren really is a harsh compound on the body in more ways than what you can just see
enrod
Proficient Brother
saccharomyces boulardii
it should be bought out of a fridge, I wouldn't buy it online.
and should be put in the fridge
take 1-2 caps per day
those of you who use anti-biotics should use it as well. very important. other pro biotics are mostly bullshit, especially the liquid kinds. this stuff is legit and you will notice a difference on it trust me
alphalife
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the reality is anti biotics are abused a lot by the general public and people need to be replacing that good bacteria they are killing when they run them. doctors will never tell you this but it is important.
the bodybuilding connection is digestion problems and bloat, 2 things we just cannot have.
certain harsh AAS are tough on the stomach. I know tren and halo are two for sure that are brutal on stomach health, that's why a lot of guys complain of heartburn when they use them
Thanks for the info stevesmi. I'm running tren right now and I have been having awful heartburn. Didn't know exactly what could be causing it but i guess its probably
the tren.
the tren.
No. Dont run nandrolones together. You dont need to stack tren with anything other than test
i do not mix the two period.
Itsthework
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I would place $100 it's the Tren! Been there man. It can be BRUTAL!!! Only thing that helped me through was Antacids, but not the chew em up type. More long term 24 hour variety.
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