First (and last) cycle

[Makavelis]

Just turned 23
5'4 @ 150 lbs
I haven't even been lifting for a year, but I know what I'm doing with my diet and training, getting great results. I know I'm young, plus on top of being mad short, naturally I should be able to achieve great, and I totally get that. But my lack of lifting is part of the reason why I'm even considering steroids, I started lifting seriously at 22, late start, and knowing if I had started at like 18.. or even 20, I'd be pretty fucking big due to my height. Realizing that, it hits you hard. But steroids or no joke and could hit you even harder, so that's why I'm here

I guess I'm just looking for a quick boost with one cycle to make up a little for the time wasted, that's it. The lack of ease of mind, I couldn't do steroids on and off like that like a lot of you no matter how good results I get, I'd be paranoid. I'd be happy just to get that edge for the few months of the cycle, then keep at it naturally.

From what I did gather a test only cycle is the best first cycle

I realize it's best to have years of training under your belt and be at least 25 before starting.. but would 12 weeks of test, and that's it, never touching steroids again, fuck me up like that? I'm super selective and attentive so I'd never do this shit without doing tons of research first to assure proper treatment of everything

 

[gearhead]

wait bro...you want to just do 1 cycle and drop it? why don't you just stay natural? run the sarms triple stack and dont mess with steroids at 23.....

 

[bonacris]

Nobody ever does one cycle. You need more time under the bar. A year of training is nothing. The likes of stevesmi and rickrock didn't touch steroids for about 20years of hard training. One year is nothing you need to earn you dues at this.

 

[djwolford]

Seriously, keep on lifting. One year is nowhere near enough lifting experience to consider using.

 

[Bane]

If I were 23 again I wouldn't worry about cycling for a while. With only a year under your belt, you still have a lot of untapped potential

 

[stevesmi]

your post makes no sense. i don't have the patience for nonsense like this

 

[RickRock]

What you propose to do makes no logical sense whatsoever. Steroids are not some magical unicorn that will solve all your problems in one cycle, and you are not even close to being ready to use them. You need years of hard training and consistent dieting to build a solid foundation before ever even considering them.

Saying you want to make up for lost time by running a cycle is one of the most ridiculous excuses I've ever heard. I lost a lot of time too at one time. When I got married and had my first kid, I was out of the gym for years, but I came back from it and hit it hard and NATURAL for years before ever resorting to steroids, even though I was well into my 30s at that time.

I've also heard the same song and dance about running one cycle and that's it from people before. Nobody does that. Steroids are a barrier that once you cross, rarely is there ever any going back. That's why it is ultra important to put them off for as long as possible

 

[magyar86]

You should Def wait bro, i know that's not what you want to hear but that's the truth. using juice as a crutch will always leave you dependant on it, I have seen many guys that have done that over the years. Use a cycle to Jumpstart their training and guess what, 5 cycles later they are barley any bigger than when they started. Maybe your different and will lift correctly and truly only use one cycle but the likelyhood of that is slim to none. That's just the truth bro. Don't get pissy with us, we aren't all wrong, we are all telling you the same thing because we have all seen it time and time again. We will do our best to help you no matter what you choose but please consider what were all saying bro and stay safe.

 

[smegal]

Easier said than done, I would bet that most people who have said "Just one cycle" have gone on to do multiple more. Like everyone else said, you need more training experience. Focus on your diet and at most run sarms.

 

[JackSteel]

Brother. This may be the worst thread I've seen this month. You're making a very dumb decision here no offense. You've been lifting a YEAR!!! and like bonacris said no one cycles one time. That's nonsense talk. You haven't even given yourself time to grow naturally and you're already wanting a short cut. Try SARMs if you must use a short cut but do us all a favor especially yourself and don't go doing a cycle now. You're too fresh to realize how ridiculous this pattern of thinking is. You're gonna fuck yourself up. Don't get mad and do it anyway, just absorb it and learn and then learn some more. Sometimes yall need tough love but trust us we are looking out for you.


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[dylangemelli]

1. NOONE ever does just one cycle... this is not even realistic

2. you have been training a year??? come on man... you need MANY years to even be talking about steroids and then even more before you actually use them... there's no way i would EVER advise any sort of use to you and anyone that truly cares or has half a brain would either

 

[31yogymrat]

At 23 worry more about your career and bitches, fuck steroids. Just keep hitting up the gym and the bitches and you will be better off.

 

[gainscity]

Nonsense post, steroids won't do shit for someone who isn't dedicated to training and diet for multiple years you haven't even lifted a year yet so you probably aren't fully educated to know what you're doing, you probably don't have a base to start, steroids aren't magic like you may think. DIET AND TRAINING are most important, look into those more and study it because juice isn't for you. Also, this wouldn't be your first and last cycle because no one does 1 cycle lol you won't just come off and keep your gains, pct you'll get depressed and lose gains from hormone imbalance.

 

[richard head]

does anyone do any research any more before they shove a needle in their ass?
jeez man this is not taking aspirin for a headache youre playing russian roulette with your endocrine system...
if you dont know what your endocrine system is or does, well there you go

 

[hurricane]

Just turned 23
5'4 @ 150 lbs
I haven't even been lifting for a year, but I know what I'm doing with my diet and training, getting great results. I know I'm young, plus on top of being mad short, naturally I should be able to achieve great, and I totally get that. But my lack of lifting is part of the reason why I'm even considering steroids, I started lifting seriously at 22, late start, and knowing if I had started at like 18.. or even 20, I'd be pretty fucking big due to my height. Realizing that, it hits you hard. But steroids or no joke and could hit you even harder, so that's why I'm here

I guess I'm just looking for a quick boost with one cycle to make up a little for the time wasted, that's it. The lack of ease of mind, I couldn't do steroids on and off like that like a lot of you no matter how good results I get, I'd be paranoid. I'd be happy just to get that edge for the few months of the cycle, then keep at it naturally.

From what I did gather a test only cycle is the best first cycle

I realize it's best to have years of training under your belt and be at least 25 before starting.. but would 12 weeks of test, and that's it, never touching steroids again, fuck me up like that? I'm super selective and attentive so I'd never do this shit without doing tons of research first to assure proper treatment of everything

Steriods are for the exact opposite.Someone who has lifting experience and is looking to go to the next plateau .Get more experince with dieting and in the weight room before resorting to steriods good friend.23 is still very young and its a marathon, not a sprint.

 

[Makavelis]

Nonsense post, steroids won't do shit for someone who isn't dedicated to training and diet for multiple years you haven't even lifted a year yet so you probably aren't fully educated to know what you're doing, you probably don't have a base to start, steroids aren't magic like you may think. DIET AND TRAINING are most important, look into those more and study it because juice isn't for you. Also, this wouldn't be your first and last cycle because no one does 1 cycle lol you won't just come off and keep your gains, pct you'll get depressed and lose gains from hormone imbalance.

I'm pretty sure I'm pretty dedicated to my training and diet. Just because I haven't been lifting for multiple years doesn't mean I don't know shit. I'm not your typical protein guzzling gym goer. Why is a base necessary for steroids to work? I never said I think steroids are magic. You have to put in blood sweat and tears, I'm not a fucking idiot, but thanks. And for the one cycle, I'd be way too paranoid to keep using it, I couldn't do it. Plus I'm not looking to get super huge rapidly as to make it obvious I used steroids to others, I'm not looking for that, like I said

does anyone do any research any more before they shove a needle in their ass?
jeez man this is not taking aspirin for a headache youre playing russian roulette with your endocrine system...
if you dont know what your endocrine system is or does, well there you go

Thanks for making me out to be remedial bruh bruh

 

[-SD-]

Make up for lost time at the ripe old age of 23, now ive heard it all.

 

[Bane]

Why is a base necessary for steroids to work?

 

[ned9000]

I think that one cycle would pump you up good... then set you up for a worse situation after. With possibly crashed natural T levels you would shrink back down at least to where you were before. Then you would be left craving that great steroid feeling, watching yourself shrink. You'd be driven harder to start another cycle & natural lifting would seem futile.. I've never done a steroid myself but this seems a very likely scenario from what Ive learned. Id say, you can try the one cycle deal with a premium PCT as long as your prepared to make it a lifestyle if/when shit goes awry. Better though to lift & research for another year, then decide.

 

[SteveSwat]

there are no shortcuts Lil homie...put in work, educate yourself, then pull the trigger...it's a lifestyle that can have long term dire effects...this ain't creatine bruh.. You're playing with fire...especially if I was 5'4 there is no way in hell I'd want to chance a damned endocrine system.

 

[-SD-]

there are no shortcuts Lil homie...put in work, educate yourself, then pull the trigger...it's a lifestyle that can have long term dire effects...this ain't creatine bruh.. You're playing with fire...especially if I was 5'4 there is no way in hell I'd want to chance a damned endocrine system.

what does height have to do with it? hes already 23 aint gonna get any taller

 

[Makavelis]

By base I meant muscle. Like a solid foundation. What difference would having more muscle vs less muscle make when using steroids? Enlighten me

I think that one cycle would pump you up good... then set you up for a worse situation after. With possibly crashed natural T levels you would shrink back down at least to where you were before. Then you would be left craving that great steroid feeling, watching yourself shrink. You'd be driven harder to start another cycle & natural lifting would seem futile.. I've never done a steroid myself but this seems a very likely scenario from what Ive learned. Id say, you can try the one cycle deal with a premium PCT as long as your prepared to make it a lifestyle if/when shit goes awry. Better though to lift & research for another year, then decide.

So what you basically said is after my cycle I'd loose all my gains, even with proper PCT, training, and nutrition to make up for my gains. What? You keep your gains up to your natural limit after a cycle, if you take proper care of your shit.... no?

 

[magyar86]

Dont get offended bro, we're not trying to be dicks and hold you back, complete opposite actually. I would look at cycles like this, it's like sex...once you do it once you are hooked for life. Even with the risk of pregnancy, stds etc you will still continue to do it Because your hand just won't cut it. Just like lifting naturally won't cut it after you feel what it's like to lift oN a cycle. There is no reason for us to steer you away from a cycle. Most of us have seen this same situation time and time again and 90% of the time it always ends the same. Another big thing you need to have is self control when you are cycling, if you can't hold off and wait for the proper time to start then that shows you don't have the self control to start. And the fact that some of the best guys in this game are telling you what to do and Instead of listening your butting heads with them shows your not mature enough mentally yet. Please don't take offense brother, hope you choose the correct path. Dylan and the other pros will take care of you and set you on the right path if you simply ask and accept There recommendation.

 

[SteveSwat]

what does height have to do with it? hes already 23 aint gonna get any taller

Lol...just stating that having low t from an uneducated cycle plus being a short guy would extra suck.

 

[TylerDurden]

just wait a few more years to screw your body and mind over. Enjoy not having anxiety and nightsweats and taking 3-4 supps a day.

 

[Makavelis]

Dont get offended bro, we're not trying to be dicks and hold you back, complete opposite actually. I would look at cycles like this, it's like sex...once you do it once you are hooked for life. Even with the risk of pregnancy, stds etc you will still continue to do it Because your hand just won't cut it. Just like lifting naturally won't cut it after you feel what it's like to lift oN a cycle. There is no reason for us to steer you away from a cycle. Most of us have seen this same situation time and time again and 90% of the time it always ends the same. Another big thing you need to have is self control when you are cycling, if you can't hold off and wait for the proper time to start then that shows you don't have the self control to start. And the fact that some of the best guys in this game are telling you what to do and Instead of listening your butting heads with them shows your not mature enough mentally yet. Please don't take offense brother, hope you choose the correct path. Dylan and the other pros will take care of you and set you on the right path if you simply ask and accept There recommendation.

If I didn't have the self control or mental maturity then I wouldn't have created this thread and would've already been stabbing my cheeks. I'm not butting heads, just looking for answers. I should be lifting for years before considering it? Alright, but tell me why. So I have a good grasp on nutrition? So I have a good grasp on training? I don't see why years of training is needed to have a good grasp on either of those. So that I have a solid foundation? Again, why? What's the difference between doing it when you have less muscle vs. more muscle?

 

[SteveSwat]

To be fair...op seems educated...a bit neurotic but whos to judge...I think what we all are trying to convey is that you can achieve a great physique without touching gear to "patch up" for missed time...that mentality is what bothers us and plagues the masses with the "well he's on steroids" notion...

Good luck bro!

 

[ned9000]

ml for ml your bodies own test is much more powerful than any test you can inject. Once you inject, its all over. Your body will be dependant on the steroid. The best of the best PCT is nothing more that a cobbled together 'best we can do' for the day & age.. You hope for the best. My personal understanding is, having a good muscle base before you start means your body will utilize the steroid much more quickly & efficiently, bringing better faster gains with less risk of injury. Starting off with steroids makes it more like a crutch with greater risk of injury.
By the time your my age maybe this new "gene doping" will be available. That will render steroids, as we know them, obsolete.