First Cycle, few questions.

[jstag]

What's up bros?

First cycle. I'm going to start taking 300 MG of Test E / wk (150mg E3D), UGL. I understand UGL is most likely going to be under-dosed so I may raise it depending on what my results are after I get bloods done half way through the cycle. My test levels right now are 521 (13.2 free T). Results may be a little higher now since I last checked (about a month ago), but not by much. I'm 22 y/o, 5 foot 7. Anyway, I have always done a bulk / cut regimen for the last few years of working out, but I feel like my main goal on test would be a lean bulk (or perhaps even a recomp). I'm about 14-15% BF and honestly would not want to go over 15%. How should I approach how many calories I should eat over my TDEE if I just want to gain minimal fat and efficient muscle gain for the dose that I will be taking? If I eat maintenance, will I be wasting test, or would I experience a great recomp? I'm not in a rush to get jacked or huge. I would rather take my time (obviously taking test would be a shortcut to my goals, but besides that). I will be taking enanthate and another concern of mine is bloat. I plan on taking an AI (probably Aromasin) EOD on cycle for 12.5mg. Will this greatly help reduce water weight and bloat? And last but not least, for my goal, would I be better off to taking propionate rather than enanthate? Also, do you think that 300 MG of Test E is too little of an amount? Should I bump it up to 400-500 every week? I am planning for a 12 week cycle.

Oh and for PCT I will be doing Nolva 40/40/20/20 starting on week 14.

Thanks dudes!

 

[warmouth]

Looks like homework has been done. 300mgs first cycle is plenty. Most say 500, but I make great gains at 350. Grow into your dose. AI will keep bloat down for sure. You can bulk or cut with test, so that's how you should approach your diet. If a lean bulk is wanted, up your TDEE and up cardio. To cut, lower calories. Also, use quality foods, especially for a cut or recomp. Good luck! Also, maybe consider clomid or ralox to the pct just for safety measures.

 

[jstag]

Thanks man. Do you think it would be a good idea to use an AI in PCT? For instance 12.5mg Aromasin EOD and Nolvadex?

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks man. Do you think it would be a good idea to use an AI in PCT? For instance 12.5mg Aromasin EOD and Nolvadex?

here is the proper pct you want and an article explaining it... i would go with test e or cyp first... some experience a significant amount of pip with prop but if you have quality you shouldn't but it's not the best idea to start off with pinning every other day... just stick with the long ester first...

you absolutely want aromasin in pct by the way... here you go

http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/


PCT


clomid 50/50/25/25 AG-guys.com

nolva 40/20/20/20 AG-guys.com

aromasin 12.5 mg eod AG-guys.com

hcgemerate es www.n2bm.com

n2guard n2bm.com
mk-2866 25 mg day www.sarms1.com

gw-501516 20 mg day www.sarms1.com

 

[jstag]

Thanks for dropping that info man, I will be sure to give it a read.

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks for dropping that info man, I will be sure to give it a read.

Anytime bro... Dont hesitate to let me know if you need anything else... My email is [email protected] if you cant pm

 

[warmouth]

Thanks man. Do you think it would be a good idea to use an AI in PCT? For instance 12.5mg Aromasin EOD and Nolvadex?

Looks like Dylan has you covered. I use an AI anytime I increase my test dose over what is prescribed. You'll be suprised at what 300mgs will do you first go! I went from 150-175lbs in 8 weeks using test P at that dose. First test cycle btw. Have never dropped below 175, and right now,I ain't training or dieting near as much as I need to be due to the last half year of work, and don't go below about 195. of course that isn't from that first cycle, but it was a terrific start! Just make sure to use a proper PCT!

 

[jstag]

Looks like Dylan has you covered. I use an AI anytime I increase my test dose over what is prescribed. You'll be suprised at what 300mgs will do you first go! I went from 150-175lbs in 8 weeks using test P at that dose. First test cycle btw. Have never dropped below 175, and right now,I ain't training or dieting near as much as I need to be due to the last half year of work, and don't go below about 195. of course that isn't from that first cycle, but it was a terrific start! Just make sure to use a proper PCT!

Yeah man I am definitely going to take PCT seriously (as well as the cycle - dieting, training, use of AI, etc). It was never too hard for me to ever get disciplined. Sounds great dude, I'm excited for what's in store. A minor concern of mine is that I work in an office as a computer technician and I'm worried that I might blow up too quick, but I don't think it'll be too much of an issue. Thanks again for all of your help!!

 

[warmouth]

Yeah man I am definitely going to take PCT seriously (as well as the cycle - dieting, training, use of AI, etc). It was never too hard for me to ever get disciplined. Sounds great dude, I'm excited for what's in store. A minor concern of mine is that I work in an office as a computer technician and I'm worried that I might blow up too quick, but I don't think it'll be too much of an issue. Thanks again for all of your help!!

It won't be much an Issue. Carry a bottle of some cheap generic supplement from Walmart around with you just to keep questions down, lol. I did it. Carry a shaker bottle around even.

 

[stevesmi]

your cycle is pointless.. you are merely replacing your own testosterone with exogenous testosterone at the same level.

either up your dose or find a new source

 

[warmouth]

your cycle is pointless.. you are merely replacing your own testosterone with exogenous testosterone at the same level.

either up your dose or find a new source

That's not true at all.

 

[jstag]

your cycle is pointless.. you are merely replacing your own testosterone with exogenous testosterone at the same level.

either up your dose or find a new source

I thought even TRT dose will bring you up to around 1000+?

 

[RickRock]

I thought even TRT dose will bring you up to around 1000+?

That is true, but if you are going to suppress yourself, at least make it worthwhile. Having just a slight increase over natural levels isn't going to do a whole lot for gains. I would run your test at 500mg per week, and then you would really start seeing the gains coming

 

[Intense1013]

A ugl doesn't mean underdosed, it could mean overdosed depending what lab. I've been doing this since the 80sand I can say that a good ugl is on point dose wise. Bump it up to 500 mgs of e. I think you're actually better off with e than p. Less shots and generally cheaper. Bloat all depends on your diet, u can get ripped on anything if your diet is right. Good luck.

 

[warmouth]

It's true that 500mgs would yield better results. But he has enough for 300mgs weekly, which is plenty to do anything he wants to do. As I always say to anyone, grow into your dose. I've seen it for years, as I'm sure you vets have too. People running 500mgs of test on the first cycle, then a gram the following. It's unnecessary if results were had on 500. My first cycle was 350mgs and it still was the most dramatic cycle I've ran, and I've ran some pretty crazy doses before.

 

[jstag]

It's true that 500mgs would yield better results. But he has enough for 300mgs weekly, which is plenty to do anything he wants to do. As I always say to anyone, grow into your dose. I've seen it for years, as I'm sure you vets have too. People running 500mgs of test on the first cycle, then a gram the following. It's unnecessary if results were had on 500. My first cycle was 350mgs and it still was the most dramatic cycle I've ran, and I've ran some pretty crazy doses before.

I think I'll play it safe by taking 350 mg for the first half. After I do bloods half way through the cycle, I'll evaluate my gains and if I want to get bigger I'll up it to ~500 mg and dose the AI accordingly.

 

[dylangemelli]

I think I'll play it safe by taking 350 mg for the first half. After I do bloods half way through the cycle, I'll evaluate my gains and if I want to get bigger I'll up it to ~500 mg and dose the AI accordingly.

you know what man, i have barely ever exceeded that dose of test on any cycle i have ran... my test is always extremely high, off the chart so you are more than fine to run this dose... do yourself a favor bro, just come to me when you need help and i will make sure you get the most out of your cycle in the safest way... COMPLETE and extensive pct and supports are essential to preserve long term health and anyone that tells you otherwise is reckless and only putting you in harms way... just come to me and i'll always make sure you are doing this to get the max results in the safest way... HEALTH comes first, then gains come next... you can't make gains without health right?!?

 

[jstag]

you know what man, i have barely ever exceeded that dose of test on any cycle i have ran... my test is always extremely high, off the chart so you are more than fine to run this dose... do yourself a favor bro, just come to me when you need help and i will make sure you get the most out of your cycle in the safest way... COMPLETE and extensive pct and supports are essential to preserve long term health and anyone that tells you otherwise is reckless and only putting you in harms way... just come to me and i'll always make sure you are doing this to get the max results in the safest way... HEALTH comes first, then gains come next... you can't make gains without health right?!?

Appreciate the support man

 

[JackSteel]

This is the wrong reason to do steroids especially at your age. I recommend SARMs man. Steroids are for getting big. Diet is for recomp and cutting.


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[stevesmi]

That's not true at all.

I will admit sometimes I skim through these threads so I might have missed the entire story but from what I saw he is very young which means his T levels are easily 550+ and that is what he is right now on cycle. meaning he is replacing what his body produces with the same amount of hormones. essentially he is shutting himself down for nothing. so it would make more sense to either up the dose or find a new lab that doesn't sell underdosed stuff.

what am I not getting where I am wrong?

 

[hurricane]

What's up bros?

First cycle. I'm going to start taking 300 MG of Test E / wk (150mg E3D), UGL. I understand UGL is most likely going to be under-dosed so I may raise it depending on what my results are after I get bloods done half way through the cycle. My test levels right now are 521 (13.2 free T). Results may be a little higher now since I last checked (about a month ago), but not by much. I'm 22 y/o, 5 foot 7. Anyway, I have always done a bulk / cut regimen for the last few years of working out, but I feel like my main goal on test would be a lean bulk (or perhaps even a recomp). I'm about 14-15% BF and honestly would not want to go over 15%. How should I approach how many calories I should eat over my TDEE if I just want to gain minimal fat and efficient muscle gain for the dose that I will be taking? If I eat maintenance, will I be wasting test, or would I experience a great recomp? I'm not in a rush to get jacked or huge. I would rather take my time (obviously taking test would be a shortcut to my goals, but besides that). I will be taking enanthate and another concern of mine is bloat. I plan on taking an AI (probably Aromasin) EOD on cycle for 12.5mg. Will this greatly help reduce water weight and bloat? And last but not least, for my goal, would I be better off to taking propionate rather than enanthate? Also, do you think that 300 MG of Test E is too little of an amount? Should I bump it up to 400-500 every week? I am planning for a 12 week cycle.

Oh and for PCT I will be doing Nolva 40/40/20/20 starting on week 14.

Thanks dudes!

i would run 500 mg of test e.With test e, you will hold more water weight, but you can control that with proper diet and an ai

 

[jstag]

I will admit sometimes I skim through these threads so I might have missed the entire story but from what I saw he is very young which means his T levels are easily 550+ and that is what he is right now on cycle. meaning he is replacing what his body produces with the same amount of hormones. essentially he is shutting himself down for nothing. so it would make more sense to either up the dose or find a new lab that doesn't sell underdosed stuff.

what am I not getting where I am wrong?

I'm currently sitting at 521 ng/dl of T with no exogenous test in my body. Also, as far as the test being under-dosed, I wouldn't be too sure until I get it and try it and then evaluate my blood work. From what I've read, the source is very reputable. I'm just assuming that it is under-dosed just because it is UGL.

 

[jstag]

This is the wrong reason to do steroids especially at your age. I recommend SARMs man. Steroids are for getting big. Diet is for recomp and cutting.


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Oh I want to get big alright . But just not TOO big TOO fast you know? I had a couple of close friends in high school who would pin up their glute for a while and I was really intrigued because I was lifting at the time. I ended up researching a bunch and decided that it wasn't something I should screw around with at the age of 16-17 due to health risks. The general consensus was (and still is) that pinning (and of course orals) at that age is detrimental and stupid. Prior to the research and even after, I was really close to taking steroids, but I am glad I didn't; I opted out and continued to lift. It has always been an ideology of mine to make the best me. I have always been inspired by bodybuilders and had a goal in mind to compete since high school. I am used to taking my diet seriously during cut time: making sure I get the correct macros, overly increasing protein intake, etc. Never had a problem with staying on track.

Anyway, I will do some research on SARMs. Thank you for the suggestion.

 

[aaron.kennedy.1217]

Oh I want to get big alright . But just not TOO big TOO fast you know? I had a couple of close friends in high school who would pin up their glute for a while and I was really intrigued because I was lifting at the time. I ended up researching a bunch and decided that it wasn't something I should screw around with at the age of 16-17 due to health risks. The general consensus was (and still is) that pinning (and of course orals) at that age is detrimental and stupid. Prior to the research and even after, I was really close to taking steroids, but I am glad I didn't; I opted out and continued to lift. It has always been an ideology of mine to make the best me. I have always been inspired by bodybuilders and had a goal in mind to compete since high school. I am used to taking my diet seriously during cut time: making sure I get the correct macros, overly increasing protein intake, etc. Never had a problem with staying on track.



Anyway, I will do some research on SARMs. Thank you for the suggestion.

If you are really worried about getting under dosed gear you can always frontload your way to your original dose (300mg would be 600mg EW for 4-5 weeks) then get blood work done to see your levels. If all is good then switch to 300mg EW for the rest of your cycle to maintain blood levels. Or adjust if needed.

 

[jstag]

If you are really worried about getting under dosed gear you can always frontload your way to your original dose (300mg would be 600mg EW for 4-5 weeks) then get blood work done to see your levels. If all is good then switch to 300mg EW for the rest of your cycle to maintain blood levels. Or adjust if needed.

Not a bad idea, might just try that.