Approved Log First Cycle Journal

[LevButlerov]

Hey @LevButlerov, sligthly confused, so should I keep the cycle at 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) or do what originally planned @ 300/100/50?

Also should I skip 2 weeks.of EQ as advised to get my E2 levels back up?? Or ok to continue at a lower dose.

The cycle tracker shows high because of the wrong syringe usage. But I got the right syringes whichever you advice will proceed that route... please advise!!

With your situation I think we need to lower doses. You had high doses then bad bloods.
do you agree to lower doses? @rayray01
@HarleyGuy

 

[rayray01]

With your situation I think we need to lower doses. You had high doses then bad bloods.
do you agree to lower doses? @rayray01
@HarleyGuy

Yes we are definitely lowering it just need to know which lower dose to take?? Because the confusion is coming from two different doses. 300 test one and 500 test one?? Man i wish this had voice recorder notnsure i am able to explain it properly.. Yea e2 and egfr were the concerns, if you wanna review blood work again I can post them again...please advise?

 

[rayray01]

With your situation I think we need to lower doses. You had high doses then bad bloods.
do you agree to lower doses? @rayray01
@HarleyGuy

So do you recommend 300/100/50?? Instead of 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) ??

 

[rayray01]

Last blood works, been doing 800/600/150 (Test/EQ/Deca) what should I lower it to 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) recent recommendation or do what originally planned @ 300/100/50? Please advise!! @LevButlerov

 

[HarleyGuy]

With your situation I think we need to lower doses. You had high doses then bad bloods.
do you agree to lower doses? @rayray01
@HarleyGuy

Yes 100% agree @LevButlerov and I thought we already agreed @rayray01 on 300/100/50 you had the pins loaded and everything ready to go.

 

[HarleyGuy]

So do you recommend 300/100/50?? Instead of 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) ??

Do you happen to have ADHD, what other meds do you take? And I'm not asking to be a smartass but I feel I can diagnosis you through the screen. It's an honest question, no offence intended.

 

[rayray01]

Do you happen to have ADHD, what other meds do you take? And I'm not asking to be a smartass but I feel I can diagnosis you through the screen. It's an honest question, no offence intended.

Yes I do, I took Adderall for it but bring on cycle I have stopped because it further impacts my blood pressure as an elevate it even i take it with clen @HarleyGuy

 

[rayray01]

That's fien but I would cut your test down to 500mgs for now same with eq cut that down to 200mgs. @rayray01

I know i was all set with 300/100/50 but then @LevButlerov said this earlier today (statement above) hence I got confused and wanted to clarify.. my solicited for asking 5000 questions. @HarleyGuy

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yes I do, I took Adderall for it but bring on cycle I have stopped because it further impacts my blood pressure as an elevate it even i take it with clen @HarleyGuy

Ahh ok this makes sense because sometimes your posts seem almost manic like 'unnecessarily urgent' so I coulda sorta feel the ADHD coming through the screen at high speed. We had agreed on 300T/50Deca for two weeks (no EQ) and then 300T/100EQ/50Deca thereafter to get your e2 up in range; having said that two weeks may not be enough but EQ's half life is about that long so you your e2 should be up a fair bit after 2 week but IF you can get bloods (yet again) I'd do it the day before you pin your first shot that has EQ in it. If @LevButlerov had a different protocol then hold off and we'll bump our adjustments up to him for approval and otherwise we will stick with what he said. Stay tuned, and remember it's a marathon not a sprint so deep breathes.

 

[LevButlerov]

Last blood works, been doing 800/600/150 (Test/EQ/Deca) what should I lower it to 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) recent recommendation or do what originally planned @ 300/100/50? Please advise!! @LevButlerov

With this blood work try 300 test 50eq 50 deca I'm going even lower after thinking about it @rayray01

Ahh ok this makes sense because sometimes your posts seem almost manic like 'unnecessarily urgent' so I coulda sorta feel the ADHD coming through the screen at high speed. We had agreed on 300T/50Deca for two weeks (no EQ) and then 300T/100EQ/50Deca thereafter to get your e2 up in range; having said that two weeks may not be enough but EQ's half life is about that long so you your e2 should be up a fair bit after 2 week but IF you can get bloods (yet again) I'd do it the day before you pin your first shot that has EQ in it. If @LevButlerov had a different protocol then hold off and we'll bump our adjustments up to him for approval and otherwise we will stick with what he said. Stay tuned, and remember it's a marathon not a sprint so deep breathes.

I think maybe we can do down on his EQ a bit @HarleyGuy

 

[rayray01]

With this blood work try 300 test 50eq 50 deca I'm going even lower after thinking about it @rayray01

I think maybe we can do down on his EQ a bit @HarleyGuy

You got it sir. Will do as advised.

 

[rayray01]

One last question that 300 test, is that including trt dosage or should I take that separately which is 160mg a week? Want to make sure I get it right this time and moving forward all of us are on the same page.

Final recommened dosage is 300/50/50 (Test/EQ/Deca). No EQ for 2 weeks and get blood work done a day before pinning next EQ shot in 2/3 weeks.

 

[rayray01]

Yesterday's diet and lift

 

[s.gentz]

One last question that 300 test, is that including trt dosage or should I take that separately which is 160mg a week? Want to make sure I get it right this time and moving forward all of us are on the same page.

Final recommened dosage is 300/50/50 (Test/EQ/Deca). No EQ for 2 weeks and get blood work done a day before pinning next EQ shot in 2/3 weeks.

If your bloodwork is not great as @LevButlerov mentioned above why not just drop back to TRT doses and stay there for a while to let the body recover and heal?
Dropping the EQ to get labs makes no sense. It's not even close to cleared from your system in 2 weeks. 2 weeks is also nowhere near enough time to get good blood values. Do the smart thing here Bro. This is not a sprint.
It seems like your not really listening to what people are telling you. You are taking bits and peices of what you want to hear.

 

[rayray01]

I am open to any thing which you all thing is the best way forward. It is my first cycle so just need a clear direction moving forward

 

[rayray01]

Any advice on this acne issue, I had freaking oily skin to begin with now It feels like I took a dip in an oil well and facial acne is popping.up non stop, I take 3-4 doxycycline in an effort to subdue it but still face getting a lot of spot marks..I use sulfur soap to wash face several times a day as well. Any advice or dermatologist is the answer?

 

[s.gentz]

I am open to any thing which you all thing is the best way forward. It is my first cycle so just need a clear direction moving forward

Honestly this is not a good first cycle. You don't know how your body is handling the drugs individually yet. You should have been using test only at a much lower dose.
If your bloods are not great now I would suggest just dropping down to TRT level and get your bloods in order.
Lets get you back to a good baseline while keeping the good diet/training habits progressing and then when your ready again we can design a great cycle for you.
I'm not even sure whats going on here. You started with 160 test and a bunch of orals and then you went to test/eq/deca at doses you should not be using? 800/wk test?
Let's do this right if you wanna stay healthy.

 

[Warthog61]

I am open to any thing which you all thing is the best way forward. It is my first cycle so just need a clear direction moving forward

If your bloodwork is not great as @LevButlerov mentioned above why not just drop back to TRT doses and stay there for a while to let the body recover and heal?
Dropping the EQ to get labs makes no sense. It's not even close to cleared from your system in 2 weeks. 2 weeks is also nowhere near enough time to get good blood values. Do the smart thing here Bro. This is not a sprint.
It seems like your not really listening to what people are telling you. You are taking bits and peices of what you want to hear.

I'm still new to this myself, learning every day, but i 100% agree with @s.gentz. This cycle has been rushed from the start, You practically own a pharmacy of useless stuff, you were pinning wrong doses, your health isn't 100%. An old timer told me once about the 6 P's.....Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You have all the support here, but playing around with stuff you don't really understand is setting yourself up for failure. I lost almost 30 lbs on just trt, diet and training and it only took a few months.

By no means am i trying to be negative or discouraging but your view and expectations need some adjustment

Another new guy just giving my .02 Cents

@s.gentz @LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

 

[s.gentz]

I'm still new to this myself, learning every day, but i 100% agree with @s.gentz. This cycle has been rushed from the start, You practically own a pharmacy of useless stuff, you were pinning wrong doses, your health isn't 100%. An old timer told me once about the 6 P's.....Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. You have all the support here, but playing around with stuff you don't really understand is setting yourself up for failure. I lost almost 30 lbs on just trt, diet and training and it only took a few months.

By no means am i trying to be negative or discouraging but your view and expectations need some adjustment

Another new guy just giving my .02 Cents

@s.gentz @LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

You’re on the money Bro!!! 100% agree with everything you’ve said.

 

[rayray01]

Thank you guys and nothing but love for.you guys, but everyone has their own opinion. I have been listening to @LevButlerov and @HarleyGuy so sticking to that. No offense and my apologies in advance if I hurt anyone's feelings but it confuses me when everyone chimes in with a different cycle and dosage advice, I have to stick with what I started with my mentors and I trust their advise and guidance. I did a goof up in the middle and we are making the necessary adjustments. I feel fine, the results are visible. No complains from my end, I just ask a lot of questions so I can be sure and avoid any more mistakes from my end moving forward.

 

[rayray01]

I just didnt know enough myself and I bought a lot of that stuff before I ever came on this forum so they just sit in a box not even opened. I have only done the gear that was recommended, the only.concern i had was my eGFR dropping and I am literally just walking out of my nephrologist, my eGFR is back up to 73 and rest of the numbers also.look good related to kidneys which is a priority for me to protect. I told my.nephrologist about my cycle and told her that I am on anabolic cycle she is also on board. Cystatin C is ordered and 24gr urine test is be done.

The only thing the she said was be mindful.of the protien because 250gms is a lot of protien, I told her thst this will only be the case while.on cycle after thst will.drop it down.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thank you guys and nothing but love for.you guys, but everyone has their own opinion. I have been listening to @LevButlerov and @HarleyGuy so sticking to that. No offense and my apologies in advance if I hurt anyone's feelings but it confuses me when everyone chimes in with a different cycle and dosage advice, I have to stick with what I started with my mentors and I trust their advise and guidance. I did a goof up in the middle and we are making the necessary adjustments. I feel fine, the results are visible. No complains from my end, I just ask a lot of questions so I can be sure and avoid any more mistakes from my end moving forward.

That's what you'll get here is a ton of different feedback because everyone is different and each person knows what works for them and they all chime in to help out. No one is trying to confuse you or get you frazzled it's just 'here's what works for me' etc.

@s.gentz and @Warthog61 aren't wrong at all but they may not have been caught up on all the details. Basically what @rayray01 had done guys was for his whole cycle he was accidentally running almost 1g Test and 600-700 EQ with 300 Deca which explains his bloods but most crucially it explains his e2 being tanked which needed to be addressed along with his wanting to revert to the proper dosages while leaving his bloods as is.

He expressed a want to continue the cycle but to lower the dosages to what he originally intended so we had him throw up pics of the proper dosing in the proper syringe and then I ok'd the dosage in the syringe as he had intended on 300T/100EQ/50Deca.

Next, we impressed upon him that his e2 had to come up so we removed the EQ for 2 weeks minimum and taught him how to dose his cycle twice a week without EQ (150T/25Deca) twice a week for two weeks then hopefully more bloods but if not then he knows now how to dose his original intent which was 300T/100EQ/50Deca (150T/50EQ/25Deca twice a week).

@rayray01 what s.gentz and warthog are getting is that another option could be to just dose test at 100-120mg/week (TRT) until you can do bloods again and then once all your bloods are in range THEN we start you back on your cycle. This will all hinge on when you think you can get bloods done again.

Don't make any decisions yet and we'll kick this up to @LevButlerov

 

[HarleyGuy]

I just didnt know enough myself and I bought a lot of that stuff before I ever came on this forum so they just sit in a box not even opened. I have only done the gear that was recommended, the only.concern i had was my eGFR dropping and I am literally just walking out of my nephrologist, my eGFR is back up to 73 and rest of the numbers also.look good related to kidneys which is a priority for me to protect. I told my.nephrologist about my cycle and told her that I am on anabolic cycle she is also on board. Cystatin C is ordered and 24gr urine test is be done.

The only thing the she said was be mindful.of the protien because 250gms is a lot of protien, I told her thst this will only be the case while.on cycle after thst will.drop it down.

Ok let me try and get this straight. I just took a closer look at your log. You mention above kidneys with an "s". I remind you you have ONE kidney. Please by no means take this personally nor am I taking it personally but you're in a special group on here that needs specific medical advice while we keep in mind you have CKD and one kidney. Moreover, you're extremely new to this and you went off your ADHD medication so you could take clen if I read that correctly?

Here are some quotes from you from 30Sep so I'm assuming "kidneys" was a typo.

The remaining kidney is working great

My remaining kidney is functioning well

Here was my advice almost two months ago but you slammed 3 powerful injectable compounds anyway. Your test is 400mg/ml so 1ml/week would have been more than enough.

Bro, I would take out all those orals out and just bump the Test to 400mg for 12 weeks.

And your diet still isn't in check as I emphasized below almost two months ago which can affect your bloodwork and health

start a log so we can follow along and make sure you get the best results with feedback and what to add in terms of supplements, diet (super important), macros, training, etc. Tons of knowledge on here.

Kidney, not kidneys. See below

rest of the numbers also.look good related to kidneys which is a priority for me to protect.

This I highly doubt or she just doesn't give a shit. No doc would flippantly be okay with this especially based on your bloodwork at the moment.

I told my.nephrologist about my cycle and told her that I am on anabolic cycle she is also on board.

Protein raising your creatinine is par for the course with bodybuilding so you're gonna have to stress that one kidney with bodybuilder type protein hence the reason I said NO orals. You insist on orals and I talked you down in DM's to anavar at a low dose.

The only thing the she said was be mindful.of the protien because 250gms is a lot of protien,

Truly, forgive me if I sound frustrated I'm actually not but I am trying to get through to you that you're playing with fire. Having said that it's your body so just keep being honest on here so we can keep you between the lines.

I would get back on your prescribed medication from the doctor, let us work around your prescribed medication, keep posting your bloodwork and we will wait on @LevButlerov regarding TRT or the 300/100/50 plan with no orals.

 

[rayray01]

I had blood work done three times last week, and I’ll post the latest set around 2 PM EST as soon as it becomes available. I’m planning to run another round of labs in about three weeks. For reference, my prescribed TRT dose is 180mg/week, so the 300mg Test isn’t too far off that baseline, and the only additional compound I’ll be running for the next two weeks is 50mg of Deca.

The labs I shared earlier looked mostly okay overall. My only real concern was the eGFR, which already seems to be improving. I’ve also been donating blood regularly—once a month, and twice this month—plus taking aspirin, increasing my fish oil and omega-3s, using N2Guard, and adding astragalus root to help support everything. I expect the numbers to continue improving from here.

The dosing mix-up was only for about two weeks. Before that, I had been using 1 mL syringes and was dosing correctly. I ran out and grabbed the larger syringes I had at home, and although I knew the volume would be higher, I wasn’t sure of the exact mL. So while the dose was elevated, it was likely lower than the worst-case estimates we used. Either way, that should clear out of my system, and everything should continue trending back into range.

I’m not trying to overcomplicate things here, I’ll wait for further guidance on how you’d like me to proceed.

@HarleyGuy @LevButlerov @s.gentz @Warthog61

 

[HarleyGuy]

Test dosage

faded syringe pic

Eq dosage

faded syringe pic

are you reusing syringes? why does that look old? @rayray01
and I cannot see marking on it at all

I thought the same thing

No not reusing them they had been sitting for while and faded. But not using these anymore at all now. Got new one from walgreens

If it had markers on it then I would have been taking wrong dosage all 15-18 that I got from my buddy were sealed but faded and markers easily peeling off

Syringes don't "fade" while in their sealed and sterile medical wraps nor while they are "sitting for a while". So a "buddy" gave you syringes that faded labeling and marker points, is that what you're saying?

 

[HarleyGuy]

180mg/week, so the 300mg Test isn’t too far off that baseline

This is actually significantly higher than 180mgs.

My only real concern was the eGFR

Your eGFR was good.
Your e2 seems to be coming up nicely
Post your most recent bloods later today

I ran out and grabbed the larger syringes I had at home, and although I knew the volume would be higher,

These were the ones from "buddy"? If I had faded and mislabeled syringes and my buddy offloaded them to me especially knowing I'm new to dosing, I wouldn't consider him a friend.

 

[Warthog61]

I had blood work done three times last week, and I’ll post the latest set around 2 PM EST as soon as it becomes available. I’m planning to run another round of labs in about three weeks. For reference, my prescribed TRT dose is 180mg/week, so the 300mg Test isn’t too far off that baseline, and the only additional compound I’ll be running for the next two weeks is 50mg of Deca.

The labs I shared earlier looked mostly okay overall. My only real concern was the eGFR, which already seems to be improving. I’ve also been donating blood regularly—once a month, and twice this month—plus taking aspirin, increasing my fish oil and omega-3s, using N2Guard, and adding astragalus root to help support everything. I expect the numbers to continue improving from here.

The dosing mix-up was only for about two weeks. Before that, I had been using 1 mL syringes and was dosing correctly. I ran out and grabbed the larger syringes I had at home, and although I knew the volume would be higher, I wasn’t sure of the exact mL. So while the dose was elevated, it was likely lower than the worst-case estimates we used. Either way, that should clear out of my system, and everything should continue trending back into range.

I’m not trying to overcomplicate things here, I’ll wait for further guidance on how you’d like me to proceed.

@HarleyGuy @LevButlerov @s.gentz @Warthog61

I had blood work done three times last week, and I’ll post the latest set around 2 PM EST as soon as it becomes available. I’m planning to run another round of labs in about three weeks. For reference, my prescribed TRT dose is 180mg/week, so the 300mg Test isn’t too far off that baseline, and the only additional compound I’ll be running for the next two weeks is 50mg of Deca.

The labs I shared earlier looked mostly okay overall. My only real concern was the eGFR, which already seems to be improving. I’ve also been donating blood regularly—once a month, and twice this month—plus taking aspirin, increasing my fish oil and omega-3s, using N2Guard, and adding astragalus root to help support everything. I expect the numbers to continue improving from here.

The dosing mix-up was only for about two weeks. Before that, I had been using 1 mL syringes and was dosing correctly. I ran out and grabbed the larger syringes I had at home, and although I knew the volume would be higher, I wasn’t sure of the exact mL. So while the dose was elevated, it was likely lower than the worst-case estimates we used. Either way, that should clear out of my system, and everything should continue trending back into range.

I’m not trying to overcomplicate things here, I’ll wait for further guidance on how you’d like me to proceed.

@HarleyGuy @LevButlerov @s.gentz @Warthog61

If your TRT clinic is a decent one I would stick with that for a while IMO. 180mg test for trt may be considered high for true trt so 300mg is almost double a high trt dose. Bloods look like your Kidney* is getting some overtime. Your body your choice. I think you are waiting to hear an answer you want and not the one you don't

Stay safe man

 

[s.gentz]

That's what you'll get here is a ton of different feedback because everyone is different and each person knows what works for them and they all chime in to help out. No one is trying to confuse you or get you frazzled it's just 'here's what works for me' etc.

@s.gentz and @Warthog61 aren't wrong at all but they may not have been caught up on all the details. Basically what @rayray01 had done guys was for his whole cycle he was accidentally running almost 1g Test and 600-700 EQ with 300 Deca which explains his bloods but most crucially it explains his e2 being tanked which needed to be addressed along with his wanting to revert to the proper dosages while leaving his bloods as is.

He expressed a want to continue the cycle but to lower the dosages to what he originally intended so we had him throw up pics of the proper dosing in the proper syringe and then I ok'd the dosage in the syringe as he had intended on 300T/100EQ/50Deca.

Next, we impressed upon him that his e2 had to come up so we removed the EQ for 2 weeks minimum and taught him how to dose his cycle twice a week without EQ (150T/25Deca) twice a week for two weeks then hopefully more bloods but if not then he knows now how to dose his original intent which was 300T/100EQ/50Deca (150T/50EQ/25Deca twice a week).

@rayray01 what s.gentz and warthog are getting is that another option could be to just dose test at 100-120mg/week (TRT) until you can do bloods again and then once all your bloods are in range THEN we start you back on your cycle. This will all hinge on when you think you can get bloods done again.

Don't make any decisions yet and we'll kick this up to @LevButlerov

Way too much going on here with this guy. I’ve said my piece regarding what he should do to preserve his health but he only seems to hear what he wants so I’ve got nothing more productive to add to this.
Bottom line is due to inexperience he took way too much shot and messed up his bloods. Is it’s time to take a step back and fix it.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Way too much going on here with this guy. I’ve said my piece regarding what he should do to preserve his health but he only seems to hear what he wants so I’ve got nothing more productive to add to this.
Bottom line is due to inexperience he took way too much shot and messed up his bloods. Is it’s time to take a step back and fix it.

I know brother. I'm trying my darndest on this one!

I think you are waiting to hear an answer you want and not the one you don't

He was definitely answer shopping with different mods regarding orals, especially in DM's.

 

[rayray01]

Ok let me try and get this straight. I just took a closer look at your log. You mention above kidneys with an "s". I remind you you have ONE kidney. Please by no means take this personally nor am I taking it personally but you're in a special group on here that needs specific medical advice while we keep in mind you have CKD and one kidney. Moreover, you're extremely new to this and you went off your ADHD medication so you could take clen if I read that correctly?

Here are some quotes from you from 30Sep so I'm assuming "kidneys" was a typo.




Here was my advice almost two months ago but you slammed 3 powerful injectable compounds anyway. Your test is 400mg/ml so 1ml/week would have been more than enough.


And your diet still isn't in check as I emphasized below almost two months ago which can affect your bloodwork and health


Kidney, not kidneys. See below


This I highly doubt or she just doesn't give a shit. No doc would flippantly be okay with this especially based on your bloodwork at the moment.


Protein raising your creatinine is par for the course with bodybuilding so you're gonna have to stress that one kidney with bodybuilder type protein hence the reason I said NO orals. You insist on orals and I talked you down in DM's to anavar at a low dose.



Truly, forgive me if I sound frustrated I'm actually not but I am trying to get through to you that you're playing with fire. Having said that it's your body so just keep being honest on here so we can keep you between the lines.

I would get back on your prescribed medication from the doctor, let us work around your prescribed medication, keep posting your bloodwork and we will wait on @LevButlerov regarding TRT or the 300/100/50 plan with no orals.

I mean she said you should stop it but that is a choice you have to.male to which I replied well I am half way through and wanted to make sure things are looking ok, hence am here having this convo. To which she saidnwell we will keep a closer eye on it.

 

[Warthog61]

I had blood work done three times last week, and I’ll post the latest set around 2 PM EST as soon as it becomes available. I’m planning to run another round of labs in about three weeks. For reference, my prescribed TRT dose is 180mg/week, so the 300mg Test isn’t too far off that baseline, and the only additional compound I’ll be running for the next two weeks is 50mg of Deca.

The labs I shared earlier looked mostly okay overall. My only real concern was the eGFR, which already seems to be improving. I’ve also been donating blood regularly—once a month, and twice this month—plus taking aspirin, increasing my fish oil and omega-3s, using N2Guard, and adding astragalus root to help support everything. I expect the numbers to continue improving from here.

The dosing mix-up was only for about two weeks. Before that, I had been using 1 mL syringes and was dosing correctly. I ran out and grabbed the larger syringes I had at home, and although I knew the volume would be higher, I wasn’t sure of the exact mL. So while the dose was elevated, it was likely lower than the worst-case estimates we used. Either way, that should clear out of my system, and everything should continue trending back into range.

I’m not trying to overcomplicate things here, I’ll wait for further guidance on how you’d like me to proceed.

@HarleyGuy @LevButlerov @s.gentz @Warthog61

What has your Blood Pressure been? @rayray01

 

[rayray01]

This is actually significantly higher than 180mgs.


Your eGFR was good.
Your e2 seems to be coming up nicely
Post your most recent bloods later today


These were the ones from "buddy"? If I had faded and mislabeled syringes and my buddy offloaded them to me especially knowing I'm new to dosing, I wouldn't consider him a friend.

Yes he had dropped them off because they were sitting st his home. So when I ran out I just grabbed them to use them temporarily.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I mean she said you should stop it but that is a choice you have to.male to which I replied well I am half way through and wanted to make sure things are looking ok, hence am here having this convo. To which she saidnwell we will keep a closer eye on it.

Ok so she (your nephrologist) wasn't "on board" then.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Yes he had dropped them off because they were sitting st his home. So when I ran out I just grabbed them to use them temporarily.

Be honest, were they sealed in their sterile medical wrapping?

 

[s.gentz]

He was definitely answer shopping with different mods regarding orals, especially in DM's

We should not be having these discussions in DM because then all the info is not in his thread.
All dm messages should be referred back to his thread unless it is a private matter. He is convoluting his own log by doing this.

 

[rayray01]

I apologize fellas, I will step away myself. You all are probably right don't need this nor do I need to bother you all with my 100 thousand questions. I appreciate everyone help and time. Best to just stop, everyone has better things to do with their time.

 

[HarleyGuy]

We should not be having these discussions in DM because then all the info is not in his thread.
All dm messages should be referred back to his thread unless it is a private matter. He is convoluting his own log by doing this.

Agree.... I told him to put our DM's into his log and he did. It was a long drawn out discussion about orals starting at him wanting to do anadrol and me talking through them all down to anavar to which he didn't want to do zero orals and hopefully he's not going to above anavar at this point.

I'm trying to work with the guy but he seems to have a plan for his own self and is answer shopping under the guise of being new and wanting to learn which is much easier using the podcasts and the ebooks or looking at any other community research thread on any compound, etc.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I apologize fellas, I will step away myself. You all are probably right don't need this nor do I need to bother you all with my 100 thousand questions. I appreciate everyone help and time. Best to just stop, everyone has better things to do with their time.

I wouldn't step away, you're going to hurt yourself. We are all open and transparent here so this isn't meant to make you walk away it's meant to not talk about you behind your back. This should be what you want to hear.

 

[rayray01]

Kindly let me know who do i reach out to get my accunt and content deleted @LevButlerov

 

[rayray01]

Ok so she (your nephrologist) wasn't "on board" then.

I mean no doctor will be, my idea was to be honest with her about it so she can check to make sure i am not damaging the remaining kidney.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Kindly let me know who do i reach out to get my accunt and content deleted @LevButlerov

Truth hurts I guess. We tried bro but you're off your meds and we were getting too much conflicting info from you and you've been DM'ing mods all over the place answer shopping off your log.

Since you're leaving I want you to know I think you're going to hurt yourself. Get off clen forever. Take your Rx meds as prescribed and don't blame a "buddy" for reusing faded needles, we all know what those look like. You've been dishonest on here. You have CKD and one kidney and jumped into the deep end after being told (even by me) way back on 30Sep to just do Test then DM'd me about how much anadrol you should take with one kidney and I had to talk you down through Dbol, winstrol, tbol all the to anavar then dosing I had to talk you down to 10mg.

If you're insisting on hurting yourself we don't condone that here.

 

[Warthog61]

I mean she said you should stop it but that is a choice you have to.male to which I replied well I am half way through and wanted to make sure things are looking ok, hence am here having this convo. To which she saidnwell we will keep a closer eye on it

I mean no doctor will be, my idea was to be honest with her about it so she can check to make sure i am not damaging the remaining kidney.

You don't have to leave dude, Like i told you in the past, take it slow, when you get to eager things get jacked up and here we are. What was your BP at the doctors?

 

[HarleyGuy]

make sure i am not damaging the remaining kidney.

You're going to. Trust me.


I can tell you're young so before EVER taking steroids learn about them in this order:

1. PCT (after steroid usage how can you come off in a healthy way to get your natural test and hormones back up and running
2. Diet (we have to see you have this dialed in with macros and calories)
3. Training (we need to make sure you're training is consistent and proper)
4. Steroids (then, if you trust this forum which you should, we will get you squared away for a cycle based on YOU)

THEN, you take steroids. You went straight to # 4 and now are frustrated with us for asking some tough questions.

 

[s.gentz]

I apologize fellas, I will step away myself. You all are probably right don't need this nor do I need to bother you all with my 100 thousand questions. I appreciate everyone help and time. Best to just stop, everyone has better things to do with their time.

Bro you came to us for advice. You getting the proper advice. It you are picking and choosing what you want to listen to and your not experienced enough to do this alone as you have proven.
There is no need to step away just start listening and letting us help you make progress but stay healthy at the same time.
I know your exited about running your first cycle. I was too. I never wanted it to end. The reality is bodybuilding is a long process that takes a long commitment and many cycles to achieve your goals but I order to accomplish this you need to make health number one. I’ve stopped cycles before because blood markers were not where I liked them. Sometimes the smart thing to do is take a small step back so you can take big steps forward down the line.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Kindly let me know who do i reach out to get my accunt and content deleted @LevButlerov

No one wants you to leave we just can't condone you hurting yourself on livestream EVO. I had no idea you were off your meds, had meds for ADHD like adderall, and went off them to take clen of all stimulants to choose from. You're making choices that are clearly hurting yourself.

 

[rayray01]

I'm trying to work with the guy but he seems to have a plan for his own self and is answer shopping under the guise of being new and wanting to learn which is much easier using the podcasts and the ebooks or looking at any other community research thread on any compound, etc.

I honestly am new, and I do not have my own plan, my own plan was chucked out the window the moment i shared it, because it was wrong, been listening to you guys since then. Granted I do not food prep like you guys but i am not expecting miracles or wish to compete in any which way, thought I would try this out because I had never done so and get some more gains out of me going to the gym anyways. I will stick with the podcasts and ebooks like you advised and research on my own. Do not wish to cause any issues, everyone has been really nice nad polite and helpful and i have whole lot of respect for what you all do on a daily basis to help newbies like myself. For me yes i listen and watch videos and yes i seek answers to my questions but feel more confident in having that with a person who is more knowledgeable and experienced, so had no other intention besides trying out gear for the first time hence joined the forum and i have followed direction to the best of my ability. It is my personality, if i start something i go all in on it, and since I am not confident to make those decisions on my own I prefer to ask, but one question getting 15 answers going 12 different ways, does not work for me, so before i cause further issues it is best to stop this.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I honestly am new, and I do not have my own plan, my own plan was chucked out the window the moment i shared it, because it was wrong, been listening to you guys since then. Granted I do not food prep like you guys but i am not expecting miracles or wish to compete in any which way, thought I would try this out because I had never done so and get some more gains out of me going to the gym anyways. I will stick with the podcasts and ebooks like you advised and research on my own. Do not wish to cause any issues, everyone has been really nice nad polite and helpful and i have whole lot of respect for what you all do on a daily basis to help newbies like myself. For me yes i listen and watch videos and yes i seek answers to my questions but feel more confident in having that with a person who is more knowledgeable and experienced, so had no other intention besides trying out gear for the first time hence joined the forum.

That’s an honest and humble reply brother. Just know we do love you and we’re just asking the tough questions and it’s only me that’s been a bit hard on you because that’s my personality if I sense something like your adhd or if your stories seem off.

You’re new which means you’re the best of the best here and you’re rolling with the punches brother.

Stay, you’re needed here. Being on EVO when you’re new and have your own biases then getting told different things while having your own preconception can be tough. On top of that you’re a medical one-off on here so we’re all trying our best to work around the info we have from you.

I want you to stay but having said that I can’t contribute to your log if you’re openly saying you’re off your Rx medication to do steroids or stimulants. And this is because I care not because I’m trying to scold you.

We got you brother if you can hang in there. Just don’t pin anything yet. We’ll get this figured out.

 

[Warthog61]

I honestly am new, and I do not have my own plan, my own plan was chucked out the window the moment i shared it, because it was wrong, been listening to you guys since then. Granted I do not food prep like you guys but i am not expecting miracles or wish to compete in any which way, thought I would try this out because I had never done so and get some more gains out of me going to the gym anyways. I will stick with the podcasts and ebooks like you advised and research on my own. Do not wish to cause any issues, everyone has been really nice nad polite and helpful and i have whole lot of respect for what you all do on a daily basis to help newbies like myself. For me yes i listen and watch videos and yes i seek answers to my questions but feel more confident in having that with a person who is more knowledgeable and experienced, so had no other intention besides trying out gear for the first time hence joined the forum and i have followed direction to the best of my ability. It is my personality, if i start something i go all in on it, and since I am not confident to make those decisions on my own I prefer to ask, but one question getting 15 answers going 12 different ways, does not work for me, so before i cause further issues it is best to stop this.

What about starting a new log? Start fresh going in with a mindset of journaling your trt journey with diet and training. Who the hell doesn't love food pics????? Do it consistently for 120 days. Get all your ******prescribed****** medication back in line. IMO this current log has gotten fogged up. In the new log you can update us with doctors visits, bloods, training, daily feelings whatever. NO DM'!!!! Post what you feel on log. stick to that for 120 days! You would be amazed at the transformation

What you thing @HarleyGuy @LevButlerov

 

[rayray01]

No one wants you to leave we just can't condone you hurting yourself on livestream EVO. I had no idea you were off your meds, had meds for ADHD like adderall, and went off them to take clen of all stimulants to choose from. You're making choices that are clearly hurting yourself.

like i said I will stop I do not need this, and I am sure you can do better things with your time than answer my questions. All i wanted to do was to loose the last bit of belly fat which will go away anyway as long as I keep exercising. I just got excited and thought it would be a good idea but it turned out its not, so better to just walk away.

 

[Warthog61]

What about starting a new log? Start fresh going in with a mindset of journaling your trt journey with diet and training. Who the hell doesn't love food pics????? Do it consistently for 120 days. Get all your ******prescribed****** medication back in line. IMO this current log has gotten fogged up. In the new log you can update us with doctors visits, bloods, training, daily feelings whatever. NO DM'!!!! Post what you feel on log. stick to that for 120 days! You would be amazed at the transformation

What you thing @HarleyGuy @LevButlerov

@s.gentz

 

[HarleyGuy]

like i said I will stop I do not need this, and I am sure you can do better things with your time than answer my questions. All i wanted to do was to loose the last bit of belly fat which will go away anyway as long as I keep exercising. I just got excited and thought it would be a good idea but it turned out its not, so better to just walk away.

Never better to walk bro. We got you. We got you so much that if things start to go sideways so will we LOL.

Like @Warthog61 said I’d start a new log and let’s start fresh. Cut and paste all your stats and info and we’ll start again.

This is really no biggie bro all the mods love what they do I will sit here all day and help you it’s part of my life ethos. There’s no such thing as too many questions on your log just remain super honest and pepper us with questions on your log and learn all you can

 

[rayray01]

That’s an honest and humble reply brother. Just know we do love you and we’re just asking the tough questions and it’s only me that’s been a bit hard on you because that’s my personality if I sense something like your adhd or if your stories seem off.

You’re new which means you’re the best of the best here and you’re rolling with the punches brother.

Stay, you’re needed here. Being on EVO when you’re new and have your own biases then getting told different things while having your own preconception can be tough. On top of that you’re a medical one-off on here so we’re all trying our best to work around the info we have from you.

I want you to stay but having said that I can’t contribute to your log if you’re openly saying you’re off your Rx medication to do steroids or stimulants. And this is because I care not because I’m trying to scold you.

We got you brother if you can hang in there. Just don’t pin anything yet. We’ll get this figured out.

Adderall is the only medication i have stopped because (because it adds to my BP=bad for the remaining kidney) I am taking 20mcg clen to help expedite the fat loss and as soon as that is gone and its surely making a dent in it, I will stop clen and be back on Adderall . Rest all my medication are going on simultaneously with the cycle.

I do not take things personally, but last thing I want is issues on this platform, it is a great place for new comer to seek knowledge and learn and get guidance and I will continue to do so. Th only reason I so diligently post on my log is because i take it seriously and value the feedback and information shared. Otherwise I would not have. Even with food wise, i post everyday whatever good or bad or whatever I eat and the same for my lift. I definitely benefit from this log. but for me it works better for one on one interaction with my mentor because i get distracted and confused very easily.

 

[Warthog61]

like i said I will stop I do not need this, and I am sure you can do better things with your time than answer my questions. All i wanted to do was to loose the last bit of belly fat which will go away anyway as long as I keep exercising. I just got excited and thought it would be a good idea but it turned out its not, so better to just walk away.

We want to see you lose that body fat!! I still have tons to shave off myself man @rayray01

 

[s.gentz]

Adderall is the only medication i have stopped because (because it adds to my BP=bad for the remaining kidney) I am taking 20mcg clen to help expedite the fat loss and as soon as that is gone and its surely making a dent in it, I will stop clen and be back on Adderall . Rest all my medication are going on simultaneously with the cycle.

I do not take things personally, but last thing I want is issues on this platform, it is a great place for new comer to seek knowledge and learn and get guidance and I will continue to do so. Th only reason I so diligently post on my log is because i take it seriously and value the feedback and information shared. Otherwise I would not have. Even with food wise, i post everyday whatever good or bad or whatever I eat and the same for my lift. I definitely benefit from this log. but for me it works better for one on one interaction with my mentor because i get distracted and confused very easily.

@rayray01
Start a new log and post a link here. Once it’s here I will lock this thread so nobody can respond and it will just disappear down the line.
Then you can start fresh with no background chatter.
Hopefully you do this. We want to help you. That’s why we are here but you gotta help us a little too.

 

[rayray01]

New Log

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...r-reta-proviron-clen-recomp-cut-cycle.107759/

@s.gentz

 

[s.gentz]

New Log

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...r-reta-proviron-clen-recomp-cut-cycle.107759/

@s.gentz

Good deal dude!!!

 

[s.gentz]

This thread is being locked down. Please see above for @rayay01 new log.

 

[LevButlerov]

Kindly let me know who do i reach out to get my accunt and content deleted @LevButlerov

you don't need to panic and delete, dont worry we will transfer to new log @rayray01