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140 lbs 5'9, wanna do just one cycle to bulk then come off and try to maintain best I can. I was looking for a good stack that wouldn't destroy me and was also wondering is this ever addictive? Don't wanna get "hooked" and implode my life essentially. Is this goal feasible?
How long have you been actively working out? Age? From your limited stats I would say this is not feasible. You need to learn how to maximize your baseline size first or the new tissue will ultimately disappear during and after PCT. A significant loss will occur either way from peak, but if you’ve got your nutrition and training down your it’s your best bet for retention.
Hey brother, also a newbie here! I’d honestly suggest spending a bit more time here on this forum reading about other journeys! A week on this forum completely changed how I think and feel about cycling! It is definitely not a short game! But there is so much knowledge here to be gained! In my opinion anyway! But good luck and all the best hopefully you get what you’re looking for here
Hey brother, to me it seems like you're fairly under weight is that correct?
If so gear/steroids are not going to help with that issue when its a nutrition issue.
Also IMO it is addictive just not in the usual sense of the word/like other drugs
Post up a training and nutrition log and the bros will help you. You'll get more out of that than any cycle
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I would suggest you get a coach. Learn to train and eat before jumping on. Would never recommend just 1 cycle.
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I was undereating simply out of laziness and also was a XC athlete and just dont get very hungry, im bumped up to around 3000-3500 calories daily eating relatively cleanly- whole foods minimizing processed junk ect.
Well mainly want to boost at some point to just get a lot of lean muscle added. Im not planning to instantly hop on im for sure going to dial in my routine more and getting weight up I was at like 133 lbs to start jfl
19welcome to the EVO family@spiker how old are you?
Yeah thats what people seem to be saying but if its possible I would like to gain a significant amount and keep it on after coming off cycle, if I can't keep it on then yeah I don't see a point risking it.
im 19, here is physique for reference. im getting about 3-3.5k calories daily with like 50/30/20 carbs fat protein respectively
how much do you think someone should be weighing before doing a cycle, and YES I only want to do one. I couldn't care any less about hitting prs or lifting heavy in general I just want to look good.
You're too young personally.. I'd understand the risks completely before doing a cycle... I didn't start until my 30s... At your age you can achieve a great physique naturally.
Agreed. You're not ready yet my friend
What weight would be satisfactory to begin a cycle.
Is it due to high risk or due to noobie gains being "good enough" already? I don't have problem putting in work and adhering to a diet but I would rather gain quicker so I can reap the benefits sooner than later.
I dont mean offense by it @spiker, please, fall in love with the process first, do some solid training, learn what diet and macros works for you, learn what failure is, make some progress for a couple years, if you just eat a ton, train hard and sleep well you will look LITERALLY 200% better and then you can have a real conversation on how to go to the next level.
A bit of both, there is risks; yes, but most can be mitigated, its more that your not even close to being finished developing, your in the most anabolic stage of your life, and what your proposing is skipping beginner, intermediate and going right to the end to advanced.
There is so much time for this in life, you havent even given it a real go naturally, steroids are only going to enhance what your doing, if you run a cycle with poor training and poor diet - guess what - poor results.
You will do whatever you choose to do, but I ran sarms cycles at 18-19 with fuck all knowledge of anything and got average results and ended up needing TRT at 30 - related who knows?
Start a log, we can help with training, diet, recovery - everything trust me when I say you can look insane naturally in 2 years at 19 with the right approach
Well not like i'm going to take sarms, I was thinking just test maybe anavar - with arimidex if there are side effects then obviously pct. As I said I dont want to hop on within weeks but certainly want a boost in the (near) future. If the only barrier is knowledge of training and a proper cycle then I don't see why I can't take a cycle to boost to a high tier physique sooner than later.
Seriously asking: would a single cycle of 8-10 weeks, if taking proper care and looking at blood work, ruin my life?
Learn to eat and train first bro then you have plenty of time to get on later don't rush things otherwise you will fuck up
No. It wont, but its pointless, within 12 months those gains fade or you want more and then your on a blast and cruise cycle, and everyone says their different and its just one, but these are drugs brother, they feel good, its hard to just walk away.
And you cannot start blast and cruise at 19, with no background experience or base.
yeah fair on the special snowflake bit I suppose but you think they will fade to the point of it being genuinely a waste of money/risk? To get benefit you need to stay on for life?
Its very hard to hold an enhanced physique naturally. - not impossible, but you’d have to be dialled in which brings us full circle to youd have to really understand the training/nutrition.
how long would you recommend I train before a cycle would be worth it.
Its not so much a time frame thing man, you get to a point where progress stalls, its very slow and you have wrung out whatever you can from training and diet, then you use it to break through into that next stage
Would you say it cant be used as a shortcut to a genetic limit faster than normally. Instead it should only be used to push you past the amount of muscle you can physically gain naturally, and if you ever come off you will lose said extra muscle? Seems as though those in Hollywood often simply use it to overhead their physique in quick succession.
Im honestly surprised, I thought everyone would instantly try to encourage me to blast insane amounts not be natural. In any case if my goal is like 165-170lbs and I theoretically was doing everything perfectly, genuinely wouldn't it be fine?
Absolutely it can, not denying that, my point is you will never hold it naturally - your only doing the one cycle remember?
You would find majority of actors and social media personalities are on minimum TRT and GH.
Haha, your on a steroid forum, we love steroids here, as ive said, you will do whatever you choose to do, and if you started a log - I would follow and help regardless, because I would want you doing it safely/properly.
But I think spelling out the risks and how its not really a good idea is important.
Do you want kids one day?
Are you willing to accept potentially years off your life to hit a genetic ceiling higher?
Are you okay with the sides? Water retention, gyno, acne, mood swings, libido crash, the cost etc?
Stigma from friends and family.
Questions you should ask yourself
You would find majority of actors and social media personalities are on minimum TRT and GH.
Haha, your on a steroid forum, we love steroids here, as ive said, you will do whatever you choose to do, and if you started a log - I would follow and help regardless, because I would want you doing it safely/properly.
But I think spelling out the risks and how its not really a good idea is important.
Do you want kids one day?
Are you willing to accept potentially years off your life to hit a genetic ceiling higher?
Are you okay with the sides? Water retention, gyno, acne, mood swings, libido crash, the cost etc?
Stigma from friends and family.
Questions you should ask yourself
I say this with respect, but you’re not listening which is indicative of your age. You’ve been told “No” multiple times. Asking the same question over and over doesn’t yield a different result. Yes, you will gain some weight with a proper cycle. No you will not maintain it. Period. Your body likes to find homeostasis with your current hormone profile so,while on cycle you’re going to have amped hormone which drive growth, but then during PCT your hormones will be worse than before you started with leads to catabolism… loss of tissue. Look at all the retired body builders and how small they are compared to their prime. These guys maintained that muscle for a decade or more and it still left their frame. Now, you think you can maintain what you grow from 8-10 weeks without the pros superior genetics, training, and knowledge? Just think about it.
Too young
1. No I don't want kids
2. I don't really want to live past 60.
3. Gyno is the only thing out of the side effects I am worried about, I have made lots of money from youtube so money isn't an issue. (I am also worried I would forever ruin my test production but from what I have seen I can avoid if its only one
)4. Not planning to broadcast to people that I'm going to be blasting but even if they found out I don't really care. I don't really have many friends or family regardless. Also based on the fact many people believe movie stars are natural I don't think its impossible to larp.
Yes that's why I am asking, when you bring up pro body builders it seems the amount of mass they obtain is not possible being natural period. If I blast to a point of my natural limit isn't it feasible to not lose all of it? If you are 100% sure without a doubt I will be at the same point as I started then I won't do it, but from everything I'm seeing its quite possible. And no I haven't felt disrespected by anyone here I know I'm a retarded kid at the end of the day but still wanna look better in quicker succession.
Too young because I don't know what I'm doing or too young because I will be more likely to destroy my body younger vs older?
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you're young but you should start a training log and start dialing in nutrition training supplements before you start any gear @spiker
You lose what you gain when you come off.
An airconditioner cools down a room while its on
When you turn it off, it stays cool for a bit, but the room eventually warms back up.
An airconditioner cools down a room while its on
When you turn it off, it stays cool for a bit, but the room eventually warms back up.
1. No I don't want kids
2. I don't really want to live past 60.
3. Gyno is the only thing out of the side effects I am worried about, I have made lots of money from youtube so money isn't an issue. (I am also worried I would forever ruin my test production but from what I have seen I can avoid if its only one
4. Not planning to broadcast to people that I'm going to be blasting but even if they found out I don't really care. I don't really have many friends or family regardless. Also based on the fact many people believe movie stars are natural I don't think its impossible to larp.
Yes that's why I am asking, when you bring up pro body builders it seems the amount of mass they obtain is not possible being natural period. If I blast to a point of my natural limit isn't it feasible to not lose all of it? If you are 100% sure without a doubt I will be at the same point as I started then I won't do it, but from everything I'm seeing its quite possible. And no I haven't felt disrespected by anyone here I know I'm a retarded kid at the end of the day but still wanna look better in quicker succession.
Too young because I don't know what I'm doing or too young because I will be more likely to destroy my body younger vs older?
It doesn’t work like that my friend. You don’t just bulk up on gear for 12 weeks. Come off and maintain. At your age and muscle maturity you would shrink back to probably less than you are now.
So with that reality in mind, yes it would likely be addictive.
Listen to the others and get a coach bro.
@spiker you look good! You’re lean and athletic. You don’t need steroids at all. Just time, food, training and recovery. You will grow.
If you take steroids, you’ll get gains faster and when you stop (you probably won’t unless you wind up with a problem) you’ll lose your gains and then some because you just haven’t locked in your diet yet. Then, after feeling like ass for a few to several weeks, you can maybe get back to pre cycle shape or a tad better.
From what I see of your physique, you just do not need steroids at all. You really don’t want to disrupt your natural production. That’s going to mess with you. It’s going to mess with your head the most.
I did one oral only cycle when I was 32 ish. Had to stop, lost it all, felt TERRIBLE, eventually got back into a routine and regularly eating for times a day and from my low weight to my highest weight gained 30 pounds and still had abs. That’s without gear, I actually had better gains without it, coincidentally.
Years later, I got injured at work and eventually got quite skinny and weak again. As I healed I did progress with weights and food, but the injury held me back, I was in my forties and I first found peptides and then testosterone etc, with the idea that I would get a boost and then stop. Well it’s six years later and so much for stopping. Which is fine, but after all this time, I don’t feel significantly better on trt than I did when I was healthy and natural. So that’s the risk that you are contemplating, but at a very young age.
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