Goal is keep muscle

[SAMbrink55]

Hello, hows everibody doing.
My big goal is to gain some muscle and maintain it.

GOAL : I want to gain more less 25 pounds of pure muscle in 2 cycles, and very important, maintain it.

Ive tried sustenon before and its very good, the big problem is that i lose everything that i gain, literaly everything, even though i didnt do no post cycle "treatment".

Well i would like your help to achieve this goal, i must refere that i have no acess to winstrol or primobolam.
I was thinking of using deca and andriol, since with this two its better to keep the gains, the probleme is if they are strong enough to give me the muscle i want.
Thx.

 

[Gearhead13#2]

Keeping gains really boiles down too training and diet. Adding muscle is much easier while on AAS there are studies that show with testosterone that even individuals that do not train still gain muscle. Its sounds like you need too make some changes with your training and your diet, concentrate on gaining some muscle naturally before you go back on cycle. If your unable too keep any gains when you come off steroids than your doing something incorrectly.

 

[Mobster]

Hello, hows everibody doing.
My big goal is to gain some muscle and maintain it.

GOAL : I want to gain more less 25 pounds of pure muscle in 2 cycles, and very important, maintain it.

Ive tried sustenon before and its very good, the big problem is that i lose everything that i gain, literaly everything, even though i didnt do no post cycle "treatment".

Well i would like your help to achieve this goal, i must refere that i have no acess to winstrol or primobolam.
I was thinking of using deca and andriol, since with this two its better to keep the gains, the probleme is if they are strong enough to give me the muscle i want.
Thx.

Start with that

 

[Fella Finn]

I am sorry to bring this up to you but there is not way you are going to put on 25lbs of lean muscle in just 2 cycles unless you are beyond genetic superfreak.
I mean just think about it realistically. With that kind of rate of gaining you would be Mr Olympia in a year or two.

 

[stevesmi]

first off accept that you aren't gaining 25 pounds in 2 cycles man. you realize how much muscle that is? go to the supermarket and look at a london broil steak, that big thing is 1 pound! you are talking 25 of those. so get your goals realistic.. and this is what it SHOULD BE. 1-2 pounds of actual muscle tissue PER YEAR.. that means 2 of those steaks on your frame which in itself is A LOT

you do that then after 10 years of lifting you will put on 10-20 pounds of muscle

 

[P0N]

Honestly, your goals are completely unrealistic. You just aren't going to gain 25 pounds of muscle in 2 cycles. That kind gain takes years upon years of dedicated and strict training.

 

[dylangemelli]

if you cant even be realistic i dont know how to possibly help you but here on planet earth, the reality is you are not going to keep 25 lbs of muscle like that in two cycles... gaining 25 lbs is not realistic whatsoever, at least of pure muscle... so if you cant be realistic , then noone can help you...

 

[cbbram]

Steroids are drugs... When you come off of them eventually (depending on the ester, PCT etc.) you will return to your natural genetic potential.

 

[RickRock]

You're not going to put on a decade of muscle in two cycles man. Not unless you are undersized with like zero muscle on your frame whatsoever. Even then it's not going to be 25 lbs

 

[Gearhead13#2]

If we're talking lean mass your looking at 2 years of hard training not 2 cycles bro idc who you are.

 

[Mobster]

Steroids are drugs... When you come off of them eventually (depending on the ester, PCT etc.) you will return to your natural genetic potential.

In his case - if he gained the 25lbs - for sure.

 

[Mobster]

Keeping new muscle, be that with or without gear is really quite simple. HOWEVER, you won't keep everything. You just wont.

I'll use a very simple example and low amount. Let's say you do real well and go from 180lbs to 190lbs on a cycle (the drugs don't matter - you just did). The odds are you wont keep the 10lbs. If you're crazy lucky it's 6lbs. Now the key starts not with sarms, bridging or cruising but:

1) PCT and time off. Get that right
2) Adjusting your diet. What you needed at 180lbs will not be enough to keep 190lbs - or even 186lbs. It's not a huge change so make it and keep to it.
3) Be aware of the time of year. It's a) normal to gain a little in the winter and lose a little in the summer. And b) I'd hate to add a lot of weight in the summer. Some places that'd be brutal
4) If you're outside digging roads or in construction... good luck with that.
5) Adjust your training. You should be by all gods laws stronger than when you started before any cycle is added in. Yet people don't make the connection pre, intra and post cycle. You take gear on cycle - you usually get stronger - you grow. You come off, drop the weights and lose muscle. Well d'uh. I don't expect you to be as strong off as on - that's not gonna happen. But you ought to be a LITTLE stronger off after a cycle than before. So adjust all your base numbers up a little. 5% is a good starting point. You do not have to be a strength athlete but all things being equal your numbers need to go uo on all the exercises across the board by a small amount. How else will you stimulate your body into retaining the tissue?
6) Finally, as per something Stevesmi and I repeat ad infinitum (for ever), it's a LONG haul. Not a short one. If you train for 5 years and averaged 3lbs a year you'd add 15lbs. I've trained 40 this August. You work out what's happened (to be fair I'm pretty close to the limit of what I can do genetically). I'm gonna post up a new thread with this in mind - check it out.