HCG - Yes or no?

[NICKNICK]

i am hearing alot of mixed info on HCG...

i am about 6 weeks in to my first 10 week cycle of Test E - 400mg a week & Dbol 50 mg ED. (i stopped the Dbol last week)

due to getting some gyno symptoms
- i upped my 1mg/ml liquidex form 5umits (0.05ml) to 10units (0.1ml)
- started taking 20mg nolva ED - (which is also a touchy subject for some, with some recommending, and some saying im an idiot for doing so) ...how ells do i stop the gyno?


now the HCG -

i was told i should have run it from the beginning of the cycle and because i hadn't i had no doubt done irreparable damage to my testies... so was told to do a kickstart dose and then 200ui twice a week.....

then i was told i was supposed to run it half way through with the cycle anyway with no kick start...

now i am told i shouldnt run it at all and should have run HCGenerateES through out the cycle...


so taking in to account where im at in my cycle now (6/7 weeks in) what do you guys recommend i do?

 

[NY REBEL]

I don't use hcg anymore.. I use a safe, natural supplement hcgenerate ES.. Killer results with no downsides.

 

[gearhead]

bro dont use hcg...it's pregnant female urine poison!
read
http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

 

[Salty Pickle]

I'm a little confused on your liquidex dosage. You say you up it from .05 to .10, most people take anywhere from .25 to .50 EOD on cycle. So if your dosage is really that low then that's probably why you're getting gyno. What kind of gyno signs are you getting?
And at this point, for you, I would recommend staying away from HCG if you do have gyno. The HCG is going to cause your estrogen to spike upward and make the gyno worse. And for the record, I highly doubt you've done irreparable damage to your testes.

 

[LevButlerov]

You have already been responded about the HCG. Regarding your gyno, do the anti-gyno protocol - it will do the job very well. Just make sure to follow it to the letter, and finish it completely, since some guys stop it as soon as they start feeling a little better, which is the wrong thing to do.

 

[NICKNICK]

I'm a little confused on your liquidex dosage. You say you up it from .05 to .10, most people take anywhere from .25 to .50 EOD on cycle. So if your dosage is really that low then that's probably why you're getting gyno. What kind of gyno signs are you getting?
And at this point, for you, I would recommend staying away from HCG if you do have gyno. The HCG is going to cause your estrogen to spike upward and make the gyno worse. And for the record, I highly doubt you've done irreparable damage to your testes.

yeh i thought it was wrong.. i brought it up on another forum here is the link to the thread.

http://www.buy-steroids.com.au/forum/forum/other-products/1524-arimidex-dosage-confusion

the main bloke assures me its .05


...iduno fkn know. shits doing my head in. lol

 

[NICKNICK]

You have already been responded about the HCG. Regarding your gyno, do the anti-gyno protocol - it will do the job very well. Just make sure to follow it to the letter, and finish it completely, since some guys stop it as soon as they start feeling a little better, which is the wrong thing to do.

i dont have gyno (i dont think), i was just showing initial signs of it, getting really tender nipples, and that was the advice i was given... after a couple days of nolva they were completley gone.

 

[NICKNICK]

You have already been responded about the HCG.

i was hoping to get some opinions from the wider community... although i doubt any one is going to contradict the evo mods on the evo forums... which seems are the only ones on the internet that think HCgenerate and HCgenerate ES should be used as a replacment to HCG.

 

[PTPT]

I personally use hcg and hcgenerate every cycle

 

[stevesmi]

running hcg does not prevent 'testes damage'

I really wish people would stop parroting idiotic information

it mimics LH to stimulate the testes TEMPORARILY, that's all it does.. you are bypassing the pituitary glands in the process and making it more suppressed

if you are so concerned about your HPTA health then don't run hormones, as simple as that

 

[jp4355]

I would recommend before you Introduce anything else into your Body.
You get your Estrogen under control.

Don't know what the Deal is with that Liquid AI you're taking.
But I would get some Blood Work done and Check your Estrogen.

Reason being is that the Addition of HCG will cause a Spike in Estrogen (dose dependent).
So you want to know Exactly where your Estrogen is before making any other Changes...................... JP
P.S.
And No, you can't go by how you are Feeling to tell if you're within Range.

 

[muskate]

i am hearing alot of mixed info on HCG...

i am about 6 weeks in to my first 10 week cycle of Test E - 400mg a week & Dbol 50 mg ED. (i stopped the Dbol last week)

due to getting some gyno symptoms
- i upped my 1mg/ml liquidex form 5umits (0.05ml) to 10units (0.1ml)
- started taking 20mg nolva ED - (which is also a touchy subject for some, with some recommending, and some saying im an idiot for doing so) ...how ells do i stop the gyno?


now the HCG -

i was told i should have run it from the beginning of the cycle and because i hadn't i had no doubt done irreparable damage to my testies... so was told to do a kickstart dose and then 200ui twice a week.....

then i was told i was supposed to run it half way through with the cycle anyway with no kick start...

now i am told i shouldnt run it at all and should have run HCGenerateES through out the cycle...


so taking in to account where im at in my cycle now (6/7 weeks in) what do you guys recommend i do?

Your AI dosage is no where near sufficient. Up to the dosage to 0.5mL (50 units) per day if you are experiencing gyno symptoms.

Personally I would order aromasin from ag-guys.com and dose it at 12.5mg EOD. It is the best overall AI in my opinion.

If you are already experiencing gyno symptoms, the LAST thing you would want to add is HCG. HCG is some nasty stuff. It is actually a form of estrogen levels and often is what CAUSES the gyno people experience from their cycle. http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/

What you want is HCGenerate ES. HCGenerate ES is the strongest natural testerone booster on the market. It is a herbal formula that will increase testerone levels, increase your bodies LH hormone and keep suppression of your natural testerone production to a minimum during your cycle. It will keep testicular atrophy to a minimum throughout your cycle.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[muskate]

Last thing I'll add. The only way to know for sure what your estrogen levels are at is through blood work. I would highly recommend increasing your AI dosage to 0.5mL (50iu) and then getting blood work done 1 week after to make sure your estrogen levels are at a good range.

 

[muskate]

Link to a place where you can get private blood work done -> http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/source-talk/bloodwork-private-md-5695.html

 

[Kman61]

i am hearing alot of mixed info on HCG...

i am about 6 weeks in to my first 10 week cycle of Test E - 400mg a week & Dbol 50 mg ED. (i stopped the Dbol last week)

due to getting some gyno symptoms
- i upped my 1mg/ml liquidex form 5umits (0.05ml) to 10units (0.1ml)
- started taking 20mg nolva ED - (which is also a touchy subject for some, with some recommending, and some saying im an idiot for doing so) ...how ells do i stop the gyno?


now the HCG -

i was told i should have run it from the beginning of the cycle and because i hadn't i had no doubt done irreparable damage to my testies... so was told to do a kickstart dose and then 200ui twice a week.....

then i was told i was supposed to run it half way through with the cycle anyway with no kick start...

now i am told i shouldnt run it at all and should have run HCGenerateES through out the cycle...


so taking in to account where im at in my cycle now (6/7 weeks in) what do you guys recommend i do?

Everyone is different... the research is out there. HCG and me get along... but I have never abused it nor used it in large quantities.

 

[hurricane]

i am hearing alot of mixed info on HCG...

i am about 6 weeks in to my first 10 week cycle of Test E - 400mg a week & Dbol 50 mg ED. (i stopped the Dbol last week)

due to getting some gyno symptoms
- i upped my 1mg/ml liquidex form 5umits (0.05ml) to 10units (0.1ml)
- started taking 20mg nolva ED - (which is also a touchy subject for some, with some recommending, and some saying im an idiot for doing so) ...how ells do i stop the gyno?


now the HCG -

i was told i should have run it from the beginning of the cycle and because i hadn't i had no doubt done irreparable damage to my testies... so was told to do a kickstart dose and then 200ui twice a week.....

then i was told i was supposed to run it half way through with the cycle anyway with no kick start...

now i am told i shouldnt run it at all and should have run HCGenerateES through out the cycle...


so taking in to account where im at in my cycle now (6/7 weeks in) what do you guys recommend i do?

i dont use hcg anymore. i dont see a need for it .

 

[mdpasha]

Bro HCG is an old school bro shit...u have much better alternative options available now...give a try to ntbm Hcgenerate Es

 

[cybrsage]

I use HCG because I am on TRT and will always be injecting testosterone. This caused my boys to shrink and the wife was unhappy with that...which caused my sex life to suffer. 250IUs of HCG twice a week (same day as my TRT shot) keeps them plump, which keeps the wife happy, which keeps ME happy.

If you are not on TRT, I see no reason to use HCG. Give the HCGenerate and such a try and see if they do what you want. But not until AFTER you get blood work done and you get your hormone levels into a proper balance. Do not introduce anything new until then.