Approved Log My First Cycle Log

[LevButlerov]

12/20/25
Weight
192.2lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
2340/228/228/74
Meal 1
94g all bran
125ml 2% milk
2 yogurts
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 2
210g rice
289g stuffed turkey roast
Meal 3
282g stuffed turkey roast
Pre Sleep
2 scoops whey
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
13.6g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
-Duration 40min
-Incline 6
-Speed 3.7
Stairmill
-Duration 60min
-Speed 10
Treadmill
-Duration 20min
-Incline 6
-Speed 3.7

Workout
Torso
Flat bench 135x7x2, 135x6+1Nx1
Incline cable flys 20x10x3
Incline dumbell 40x10x3
Close grip pull ups 5+3Nx1, 3+3Nx1, 2+3Nx1
Uni lat pulldowns 77x6x1, 66x10x2
Seated v grip 143x10x3
Back ext 45x8x1

Left early will add these to next WO
Back ext
Deadlifts
Ab machine
Cutting cardio for a few days, burning out.

good food and I see you still training so the pain is gone? @Shakey

I dont think its a pulled muscle anymore, most the pain is gone. I did 2 hrs of cardio today, but my thigh didnt hurt until seated rows. There was some pain at pin site area that also went down the outside quad.
So since pains mostly gone im assuming it was because cardio and flexing legs while lifting causing irritation where i pinned bpc.

could be a bad pin easy

 

[Shakey]

For sure man, but there's no need to aggravate things. Regardless, you don't have to aggravate your back when you weight train. That's a huge misconception.

True, my goal for lower back is originally health aswell. So i have no use for lifts that are risky, but part of the goal is strength for more support.

What you do is you go by the ester. If the half-life is 10 days, then you can definitely get away with injecting once a week.

Alright, ill look into it a bit more before i decide anything.

 

[Shakey]

good food and I see you still training so the pain is gone? @Shakey

could be a bad pin easy

If your talking about the knee pain, its a lot less. Time until discomfort starts is still extending, and the amount my gait alters when is too much, is getting less.
I usually take a 15min break around the 1hr mark or so for this reason.

 

[kcates]

Concerning the belt, I typically suggest not using one until you get into heavier weights, like over 300 lbs on deadlift and squat. You want to learn to brace without it. I really only use it when I am maxing out or doing 1-3 reps with weight close to max. I want my body to be strong without it and learn to brace correctly without it. If your experiencing pain without one and you are bracing your midsection correctly I am afraid adding the belt may give you a false security and could lead to worse injury. The belt is just there to give you something more solid to brace even harder against while doing heavy weight. I can pull 405 lbs without a belt and feel fine. I have trained that way learning to brace without the belt. I think this correlates well to the real world as well when you go to lift something out of the norm like furniture you are not at risk as much of hurting yourself because you are use to lifting heavy stuff without a belt. This helps me a lot since I work construction. I also have a herniated disk on my right lower back and lifting weights this way has help with that so much. Also if you have a reverse hyper machine at the gym it is a good way to load your lower back without having to load everything else. progressive overload slowly don't push to hard with that back issue. It took me 2 years to go from bar to 405 for 5 reps deadlift. When i started lifting 2 years ago i started with the bar and just added 5 or 10 pounds weekly until i couldnt meet the rep range I was going for stayed at that weight until i did hit the reps then moved up again.

 

[Shakey]

Concerning the belt, I typically suggest not using one until you get into heavier weights, like over 300 lbs on deadlift and squat. You want to learn to brace without it. I really only use it when I am maxing out or doing 1-3 reps with weight close to max. I want my body to be strong without it and learn to brace correctly without it. If your experiencing pain without one and you are bracing your midsection correctly I am afraid adding the belt may give you a false security and could lead to worse injury. The belt is just there to give you something more solid to brace even harder against while doing heavy weight. I can pull 405 lbs without a belt and feel fine. I have trained that way learning to brace without the belt. I think this correlates well to the real world as well when you go to lift something out of the norm like furniture you are not at risk as much of hurting yourself because you are use to lifting heavy stuff without a belt. This helps me a lot since I work construction. I also have a herniated disk on my right lower back and lifting weights this way has help with that so much. Also if you have a reverse hyper machine at the gym it is a good way to load your lower back without having to load everything else. progressive overload slowly don't push to hard with that back issue. It took me 2 years to go from bar to 405 for 5 reps deadlift. When i started lifting 2 years ago i started with the bar and just added 5 or 10 pounds weekly until i couldnt meet the rep range I was going for stayed at that weight until i did hit the reps then moved up again.

Perhaps ill stay with the current regiment then, back ext for warm up, then deadlifts. I tried for 1rep max 2 weeks ago, 305lb, my working weight is 185 to 205. I noticed single reps less risky, usually if i pinch something its on the 3-5 rep.
Theres no reverse hyper, its a 24/7 budget gym so its basics, no fancy things.

 

[kcates]

Perhaps ill stay with the current regiment then, back ext for warm up, then deadlifts. I tried for 1rep max 2 weeks ago, 305lb, my working weight is 185 to 205. I noticed single reps less risky, usually if i pinch something its on the 3-5 rep.
Theres no reverse hyper, its a 24/7 budget gym so its basics, no fancy things.

do you notice your back is getting tired and form is breaking down a little when you get a pinch? Why not do higher reps less weight? I use to be a 1-5 rep range guy doing powerlifting work and strength work. I have been working in the 12 rep range and next phase starting Monday I am going into the 20 rep ranges and amraps on certain exercises. I actually like working in the higher rep ranges. Dont tell Lev that. He had been telling me to do higher rep ranges forever and I was doing my thing. lol. I am just wondering if less weight and more reps would be better for you on something like deadlift.

 

[Shakey]

do you notice your back is getting tired and form is breaking down a little when you get a pinch? Why not do higher reps less weight? I use to be a 1-5 rep range guy doing powerlifting work and strength work. I have been working in the 12 rep range and next phase starting Monday I am going into the 20 rep ranges and amraps on certain exercises. I actually like working in the higher rep ranges. Dont tell Lev that. He had been telling me to do higher rep ranges forever and I was doing my thing. lol. I am just wondering if less weight and more reps would be better for you on something like deadlift.

Form started to break down around 285 for 1RM. And i used to do 3-5 rep range for a while with 225, but ive dropped to 8 to 10 for less risk. I do 185 for 10 atm while i work on raising my back ext for a bit.

 

[kcates]

Nice, the pinch problem has improved going to the higher rep less weight?

 

[Shakey]

Nice, the pinch problem has improved going to the higher rep less weight?

Yea so im going to increase weights only at 10 to 12 reps i think. Back ext is 45 for 8 atm, soon ill be moving from holding a plate to holding a dumbell or barbell

 

[BeMe]

Yeah, but amazons cheaper. Lol
And i bought a box of 100. Haha
I see shoppers has 6mm, 31g, box of 100 for $50, mine are luer lock, so maybe ill just buy a 100 box of tips to swap.
30g 8mm for $22 on amazon.

That'll work. It's kinda inevitable that these type of injuries will keep happening

 

[Shakey]

That'll work. It's kinda inevitable that these type of injuries will keep happening

Yeah ill make the switch eventually. For now ill runs these at half depth.

 

[LevButlerov]

If your talking about the knee pain, its a lot less. Time until discomfort starts is still extending, and the amount my gait alters when is too much, is getting less.
I usually take a 15min break around the 1hr mark or so for this reason.

Yes knee pain, i'm concerned about it.

 

[Shakey]

Yes knee pain, i'm concerned about it.

Its not excruciating or anything and is improving. Though im pretty sure itll never go away. Theres nothing on imaging, and a knee surgeon had a look. No answer as to what causes the knee pain.
Im just glad bpc has taken the edge off during cardio and has obv reduced inflammation in joint.

Im going to be reduced cardio times to zero for a bit for a rest, then return to cardio to keep my knees active but restrict tines to 20 to 30mins for a bit.

 

[LevButlerov]

Its not excruciating or anything and is improving. Though im pretty sure itll never go away. Theres nothing on imaging, and a knee surgeon had a look. No answer as to what causes the knee pain.
Im just glad bpc has taken the edge off during cardio and has obv reduced inflammation in joint.

Im going to be reduced cardio times to zero for a bit for a rest, then return to cardio to keep my knees active but restrict tines to 20 to 30mins for a bit.

we really need to get BPC closer to it, you pinning it close?

 

[Shakey]

we really need to get BPC closer to it, you pinning it close?

Yea, i pin that thigh for the most part.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yea, i pin that thigh for the most part.

try to get closest possible

 

[2Thick]

True, my goal for lower back is originally health aswell. So i have no use for lifts that are risky, but part of the goal is strength for more support.

yes risky lifting is all ego

 

[ROIDDERS]

Alright, ill look into it a bit more before i decide anything.

yeah half life means half of what you pin will be there after that # of days. it doesn't mean active life

 

[Shakey]

12/22/25
Weight
193lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
2046/180/186/76
Meal 1
94g all bran
125ml 2% milk
250ml orange juice
Meal 2
4 eggs
143g Sliced chicken
2 ww toast
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
218g lamb
281g apple
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
13.6g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Arms & shoulders
Cable lateral 15x10x3
Cable front raise 15x10x3
Facepulls 55x10x1, 45x
Upright rows 95x10x3
Rear flys 80(uni)x8x1, 110x10x3
Delt raise machine 60x10x3
Back ext 45x10x1, 45x8x2
Deadlift 135x10x1, 185x10x3
Barbell curls 80x10x3
Seated curls 25x12x1, 30x8x2
Reverse ez curl 70x10x3
Ez curl skullcrusher 60x12x1, 70x10x2
Uni cable tricep ext 20x10x3
Rope pulldowns 40x8x3

 

[BeMe]

W

12/22/25
Weight
193lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
2046/180/186/76
Meal 1
94g all bran
125ml 2% milk
250ml orange juice
Meal 2
4 eggs
143g Sliced chicken
2 ww toast
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
218g lamb
281g apple
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
13.6g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Arms & shoulders
Cable lateral 15x10x3
Cable front raise 15x10x3
Facepulls 55x10x1, 45x
Upright rows 95x10x3
Rear flys 80(uni)x8x1, 110x10x3
Delt raise machine 60x10x3
Back ext 45x10x1, 45x8x2
Deadlift 135x10x1, 185x10x3
Barbell curls 80x10x3
Seated curls 25x12x1, 30x8x2
Reverse ez curl 70x10x3
Ez curl skullcrusher 60x12x1, 70x10x2
Uni cable tricep ext 20x10x3
Rope pulldowns 40x8x3

Wow that's a heavy duty workout! Lots of volume for one session. You must've been there for a while

 

[Shakey]

W

Wow that's a heavy duty workout! Lots of volume for one session. You must've been there for a while

Generally 1hr45min to 2hr for that volume, cardio on top that.
I read in between sets, so if its a good book im sometimes there a bit longer by accident. Lol.

 

[BeMe]

Generally 1hr45min to 2hr for that volume, cardio on top that.
I read in between sets, so if its a good book im sometimes there a bit longer by accident. Lol.

Wow that's a long session. Sounds like a lot of fun!

 

[Shakey]

Wow that's a long session. Sounds like a lot of fun!

I got lots of time. But i once spent 3hrs just on weights because a good book lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

12/22/25
Weight
193lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
2046/180/186/76
Meal 1
94g all bran
125ml 2% milk
250ml orange juice
Meal 2
4 eggs
143g Sliced chicken
2 ww toast
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
218g lamb
281g apple
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
13.6g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Arms & shoulders
Cable lateral 15x10x3
Cable front raise 15x10x3
Facepulls 55x10x1, 45x
Upright rows 95x10x3
Rear flys 80(uni)x8x1, 110x10x3
Delt raise machine 60x10x3
Back ext 45x10x1, 45x8x2
Deadlift 135x10x1, 185x10x3
Barbell curls 80x10x3
Seated curls 25x12x1, 30x8x2
Reverse ez curl 70x10x3
Ez curl skullcrusher 60x12x1, 70x10x2
Uni cable tricep ext 20x10x3
Rope pulldowns 40x8x3

a lot of volume today on arms get more food in

 

[Shakey]

a lot of volume today on arms get more food in

Yeah was just late post from yesterday, i made up for it with a 200g protein breakfast this morning. Lol

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah was just late post from yesterday, i made up for it with a 200g protein breakfast this morning. Lol

what did you have in AM? did you beast mode it? @Shakey

 

[Shakey]

what did you have in AM? did you beast mode it? @Shakey

Meal 1
Cal/pro/carb/fat
1640/200/25/89 Are the macros for just the egg chicken and cheese omelette
9 large eggs
359g sliced chicken
40g shredded cheese

1 slice ww toast
277ml orange juice

 

[LevButlerov]

Meal 1
Cal/pro/carb/fat
1640/200/25/89 Are the macros for just the egg chicken and cheese omelette
9 large eggs
359g sliced chicken
40g shredded cheese

1 slice ww toast
277ml orange juice

thats high protein but toast and orange juice no need

 

[Shakey]

thats high protein but toast and orange juice no need

The toast was included in omelette technically (just didnt add macros for bread yet), because i make the omelette with slices on it in the pan, after the flip it folds into a sandwich. I usually do bacon first, then eggs. Its like laying rebar before concrete so the 10 egg omelette is easier to flip.
Failed the flip, was a damn mess, so omelette turned scrambled with the bread.
I generally dont drink juice, or anything with sugar usually. But i dont waste groceries given to me, so i did a cup a day with breakfast.

 

[BeMe]

I got lots of time. But i once spent 3hrs just on weights because a good book lol.

Must've been really good!

Are you reading an actual book? Cuz you see everyone staring at their phones but it would be pretty cool to see someone actually reading.

 

[Shakey]

Must've been really good!

Are you reading an actual book? Cuz you see everyone staring at their phones but it would be pretty cool to see someone actually reading.

Nah i read light novels online or novel pdfs ive downloaded. Ive been asked if i was using the equipment i was sitting on before because the cliffhanger was so good i forgot my next set. Lol

 

[BeMe]

Nah i read light novels online or novel pdfs ive downloaded. Ive been asked if i was using the equipment i was sitting on before because the cliffhanger was so good i forgot my next set. Lol

So as far as anyone can tell you're just like the kid on their tik toks haha

 

[Shakey]

So as far as anyone can tell you're just like the kid on their tik toks haha

Shit, pretty much. Haha
Guess ill read a hard copy so they know whats up.

 

[BeMe]

Shit, pretty much. Haha
Guess ill read a hard copy so they know whats up.

Haha let these youngins know

 

[Shakey]

12/23/25
Weight
193.6lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
3252/346/164/139
Meal 1
9 eggs
359g sliced chicken
40g shredded cheese
1 slice ww toast
277ml orange juice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 2
173g lamb
200g rice
Meal 3
154g lamb
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Legs
3D rack Zircher squats 65x10x1, 85x10x1, 110x9x1
3D rack lunges 55x10x2, 55x9x1
Uni leg ext 70x10x1, 80x6+4Nx2
Uni leg curl 40x13x1, 50x10x2
Prone leg curl 160x6+4Nx3
Calf raise 75xx12x1, 77.5x10x1, 80x8x4

 

[BeMe]

12/23/25
Weight
193.6lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
3252/346/164/139
Meal 1
9 eggs
359g sliced chicken
40g shredded cheese
1 slice ww toast
277ml orange juice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 2
173g lamb
200g rice
Meal 3
154g lamb
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Legs
3D rack Zircher squats 65x10x1, 85x10x1, 110x9x1
3D rack lunges 55x10x2, 55x9x1
Uni leg ext 70x10x1, 80x6+4Nx2
Uni leg curl 40x13x1, 50x10x2
Prone leg curl 160x6+4Nx3
Calf raise 75xx12x1, 77.5x10x1, 80x8x4

Is the 3D rack one of those smith machines that moves forwards and backwards as well?

 

[Shakey]

Is the 3D rack one of those smith machines that moves forwards and backwards as well?

Yeah, wasnt sure what to call it. It doesnt have a counter weight though so i didnt say smith. Bar weighs about 45lbs.
Its good for me, because the rigid track of the smith doesnt fit my movement well, but i still need support. Worked great, deff felt lots if new stabilizing muscles get destroyed. Especially the lunges.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah, wasnt sure what to call it. It doesnt have a counter weight though so i didnt say smith. Bar weighs about 45lbs.
Its good for me, because the rigid track of the smith doesnt fit my movement well, but i still need support. Worked great, deff felt lots if new stabilizing muscles get destroyed. Especially the lunges.

Yea those things are really cool. Never tried one before but I've seen them online. Pretty awesome that your gym actually has one

 

[Shakey]

Yea those things are really cool. Never tried one before but I've seen them online. Pretty awesome that your gym actually has one

Yeah for how cheap my gym is, the selection is pretty decent as well. I go to Fit4Less. Ita only $16 a month for the basic plan.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah for how cheap my gym is, the selection is pretty decent as well. I go to Fit4Less. Ita only $16 a month for the basic plan.

Oh really? What city do you live in?

I know a lot of the fit4less locations here in Toronto has a prety bad rep lol. Sounds like you got a good one

 

[Shakey]

Oh really? What city do you live in?

I know a lot of the fit4less locations here in Toronto has a prety bad rep lol. Sounds like you got a good one

Toronto eh? Im just north of yea. Orillia.
Its not bad, very clean, broken equipment is fixed quickly for the most part. Though its either packed or a ghost town depending when you go.

My bro in hamilton said the fit4less there has a manager that straight up insults customers. Lol

 

[BeMe]

Toronto eh? Im just north of yea. Orillia.
Its not bad, very clean, broken equipment is fixed quickly for the most part. Though its either packed or a ghost town depending when you go.

My bro in hamilton said the fit4less there has a manager that straight up insults customers. Lol

Yea fit4less has the worse reputation haha. But Orillia is a beautiful place so it makes sense that the fit4less there is good too.

Hamilton is a very angry place so that doesn't surprise me. I do a lot of travelling for work. Pretty much anywhere within 3 hours of Toronto, and I always say Hamilton is the saddest city I visit. You can see how it used to be a really wealthy upscale city back in the day but now it's so run down and drug infested. Seems like everyone there is on edge at all times

 

[Shakey]

Yea fit4less has the worse reputation haha. But Orillia is a beautiful place so it makes sense that the fit4less there is good too.

Hamilton is a very angry place so that doesn't surprise me. I do a lot of travelling for work. Pretty much anywhere within 3 hours of Toronto, and I always say Hamilton is the saddest city I visit. You can see how it used to be a really wealthy upscale city back in the day but now it's so run down and drug infested. Seems like everyone there is on edge at all times

100% sad. The bus terminal downtown hamilton at night is a bloody nightmare. Only changed buses there once, got asked if i "got shit" a few times. Deff had eyes in the back of my head walkin there at night.
Usually do GO train or bus to get down there from barrie, but i avoid city transit in hamilton unless i have to.
Yeah orillias pretty nice, populations growing faster and faster as people from gta move north. Simcoe and Couchiching to ice fish on, and a fair bit of crown land nearby for hunting.

 

[BeMe]

100% sad. The bus terminal downtown hamilton at night is a bloody nightmare. Only changed buses there once, got asked if i "got shit" a few times. Deff had eyes in the back of my head walkin there at night.
Usually do GO train or bus to get down there from barrie, but i avoid city transit in hamilton unless i have to.
Yeah orillias pretty nice, populations growing faster and faster as people from gta move north. Simcoe and Couchiching to ice fish on, and a fair bit of crown land nearby for hunting.

Ya bro Hamilton is even crazy in the morning..I was just working at Jackson Square this past Friday and saw all kinds of wild shit in my short time there haha.

Sorry for all the citidiots we're sending you there haha. You guys so have everything so it's no wonder all the wealthy baby boomers are taking over. I'm sure your housing prices are going nuts.

 

[Shakey]

Ya bro Hamilton is even crazy in the morning..I was just working at Jackson Square this past Friday and saw all kinds of wild shit in my short time there haha.

Sorry for all the citidiots we're sending you there haha. You guys so have everything so it's no wonder all the wealthy baby boomers are taking over. I'm sure your housing prices are going nuts.

Apology accepted. Haha with more citidiots, the drivers up here are getting worse, especially barrie.
Housing is insane. 300k to 400k homes going for 7-9. Hell i know someone who bought a new build for 375 15yrs ago, selling 1.1mil. ridiculous
1 bedroom shithole apts are 15-1600, decent 1700 to 1900
2 bedrooms are 1900+

 

[BeMe]

Apology accepted. Haha with more citidiots, the drivers up here are getting worse, especially barrie.
Housing is insane. 300k to 400k homes going for 7-9. Hell i know someone who bought a new build for 375 15yrs ago, selling 1.1mil. ridiculous
1 bedroom shithole apts are 15-1600, decent 1700 to 1900
2 bedrooms are 1900+

Lol if you think the drivers are bad up there...come down for a day haha

Yea it's absurd how expensive housing is up here when wages have barely moved at all. Rough times.

That's cool we live so close to eachother.

 

[Shakey]

Lol if you think the drivers are bad up there...come down for a day haha

Yea it's absurd how expensive housing is up here when wages have barely moved at all. Rough times.

That's cool we live so close to eachother.

Yeah bud, small world. What gym you hit down there? I imagine gtas way more brutal for housing than here. One of the reasons i like GO transit, no need to drive.

 

[LevButlerov]

The toast was included in omelette technically (just didnt add macros for bread yet), because i make the omelette with slices on it in the pan, after the flip it folds into a sandwich. I usually do bacon first, then eggs. Its like laying rebar before concrete so the 10 egg omelette is easier to flip.
Failed the flip, was a damn mess, so omelette turned scrambled with the bread.
I generally dont drink juice, or anything with sugar usually. But i dont waste groceries given to me, so i did a cup a day with breakfast.

it happens, I get cooking accidents all the time with kids around @Shakey

 

[LevButlerov]

12/23/25
Weight
193.6lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
3252/346/164/139
Meal 1
9 eggs
359g sliced chicken
40g shredded cheese
1 slice ww toast
277ml orange juice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 2
173g lamb
200g rice
Meal 3
154g lamb
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
Vitamin D 20000iu + K2 200mcg E3D
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Workout
Legs
3D rack Zircher squats 65x10x1, 85x10x1, 110x9x1
3D rack lunges 55x10x2, 55x9x1
Uni leg ext 70x10x1, 80x6+4Nx2
Uni leg curl 40x13x1, 50x10x2
Prone leg curl 160x6+4Nx3
Calf raise 75xx12x1, 77.5x10x1, 80x8x4

Good day @Shakey meal 3 thats a win lamb rice love that
good supps today steady!
3d thats an interesting unit pic it up please

 

[Shakey]

Good day @Shakey meal 3 thats a win lamb rice love that
good supps today steady!
3d thats an interesting unit pic it up please

Deff love lamb, havent got round to switching my carbs to pasta or sweet potatoes yet. But ive moved to some lamb, pork and peameal bacons already meal prepped for after the holidays. @LevButlerov
Im going to need extra cardio after 3 different christmas dinbers. Lol

Its a Star Trac Max Rack, this is just a pic i found online. Theres safeties that go go hook to hook aswell.
@BeMe this is the rack i used.

 

[LevButlerov]

Deff love lamb, havent got round to switching my carbs to pasta or sweet potatoes yet. But ive moved to some lamb, pork and peameal bacons already meal prepped for after the holidays. @LevButlerov
Im going to need extra cardio after 3 different christmas dinbers. Lol

Its a Star Trac Max Rack, this is just a pic i found online. Theres safeties that go go hook to hook aswell.
@BeMe this is the rack i used.
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awesome machine and the dinners going to be fun enjoy them @Shakey Merry Christmas!

 

[Shakey]

awesome machine and the dinners going to be fun enjoy them @Shakey Merry Christmas!

Yeah its quite fitting for my needs and body movements. I will deff eat like a king before locking in.
Merry christmas aswell

@BeMe merry christmas to you too

 

[BeMe]

Yeah bud, small world. What gym you hit down there? I imagine gtas way more brutal for housing than here. One of the reasons i like GO transit, no need to drive.

I actually built a solid home gym so I don't have to go deal with all the craziness lol. Much happier training at home and it saves what little time I have.

Ya housing down here is outrageous lol. Its fun showing people from outta town little houses and saying guess how much....2 mil lol

 

[BeMe]

Yeah its quite fitting for my needs and body movements. I will deff eat like a king before locking in.
Merry christmas aswell

@BeMe merry christmas to you too

Merry Christmas bro!! Glad you found us here and 2026 is gonna be your year bro!

 

[Shakey]

I actually built a solid home gym so I don't have to go deal with all the craziness lol. Much happier training at home and it saves what little time I have.

Ya housing down here is outrageous lol. Its fun showing people from outta town little houses and saying guess how much....2 mil lol

Yeah nothing like buying a 1 mil dumpster fire in the gta. Lol

Merry Christmas bro!! Glad you found us here and 2026 is gonna be your year bro!

Hope it will be. Cant wait for the first cycle.

 

[BeMe]

Yeah nothing like buying a 1 mil dumpster fire in the gta. Lol

Hope it will be. Cant wait for the first cycle.

Yea 1 mil gets you a very small bungalow in a very dangerous neighbourhood LOL

 

[Shakey]

Yea 1 mil gets you a very small bungalow in a very dangerous neighbourhood LOL

If i moved there, itd be as a new homeless going by the housing rates now. Lol
I can only imagine. While ive been to gta lots, ive never gone to tour the ghettos for a look.

 

[BeMe]

If i moved there, itd be as a new homeless going by the housing rates now. Lol
I can only imagine. While ive been to gta lots, ive never gone to tour the ghettos for a look.

Toronto is funny cuz it's totally blended up. You're pretty much always within 10 mins of a bad neighbourhood. Even in the richest parts of town you're a hop skip and jump away from somewhere you could get robbed walking down the street haha. Pretty convenient for the bad guys cuz they don't have to travel far to steal cars or break into houses

 

[Shakey]

Toronto is funny cuz it's totally blended up. You're pretty much always within 10 mins of a bad neighbourhood. Even in the richest parts of town you're a hop skip and jump away from somewhere you could get robbed walking down the street haha. Pretty convenient for the bad guys cuz they don't have to travel far to steal cars or break into houses

Im usually going to union and around and toronto general so i dont seeuch. Heard the car theft is crazy down there.

 

[BeMe]

Im usually going to union and around and toronto general so i dont seeuch. Heard the car theft is crazy down there.

Union to Toronto General isn't too bad..just the usual homeless and stuff. Now if you went east or west a few blocks from Toronto General then lookout haha. Staying north south you're good though.


Ya the car theft is outta control. Dunno if you remember but Mitch Marner from the Leafs got car jacked for his Range Rover last year. Then there was those idiots who tried to steal Premier Ford's Escalade right infront of his security detail LOL

 

[Shakey]

Union to Toronto General isn't too bad..just the usual homeless and stuff. Now if you went east or west a few blocks from Toronto General then lookout haha. Staying north south you're good though.


Ya the car theft is outta control. Dunno if you remember but Mitch Marner from the Leafs got car jacked for his Range Rover last year. Then there was those idiots who tried to steal Premier Ford's Escalade right infront of his security detail LOL

I heard about the leafs jacking, but not fords hahaha
I went to a leafs exhibition this year vs habs, man im not used to the crowds, damn train was packed both ways aswell. I prefer my big little town feel. Lol
Vancouver transit was a nightmare as well when i was out west. Subway hit a dog, so they shut the line down. Hundreds had to leave subway for buses. Took an hour or so in the rain to fit on a bus.

 

[BeMe]

I heard about the leafs jacking, but not fords hahaha
I went to a leafs exhibition this year vs habs, man im not used to the crowds, damn train was packed both ways aswell. I prefer my big little town feel. Lol
Vancouver transit was a nightmare as well when i was out west. Subway hit a dog, so they shut the line down. Hundreds had to leave subway for buses. Took an hour or so in the rain to fit on a bus.

Yea small town Canada is where it's at. Once I've made my money I'm getting outta here.

Vancouver's transit is ever worse than ours.

 

[Shakey]

Yea small town Canada is where it's at. Once I've made my money I'm getting outta here.

Vancouver's transit is ever worse than ours.

Yea i would if i was in gta aswell. Northbays nice, not much snow but frigid in winter.

Out west i went to nanaimo, great city except downtown during winter when the homeless head to the island for warmer weather. But temps in january only hit -1 once or twice with a high of 12 while i was there. Lol

 

[BeMe]

Yea i would if i was in gta aswell. Northbays nice, not much snow but frigid in winter.

Out west i went to nanaimo, great city except downtown during winter when the homeless head to the island for warmer weather. But temps in january only hit -1 once or twice with a high of 12 while i was there. Lol

Yea the entire western coast is over run with drug zombies thanks to an NDP government. I wanna get up in the mountains somewhere. The interior or BC or somewhere in AB

 

[Shakey]

Yea the entire western coast is over run with drug zombies thanks to an NDP government. I wanna get up in the mountains somewhere. The interior or BC or somewhere in AB

Yeah i still remember the guy at a bus stop, bent over 90° trying to sell me a nice looking watch that he "made himself". Lol. Jist wanted a ferry ticket home he said.

The rockies would be a dream to live. Especially for back country hunting. Always wanted to build a small log home myself somewhere in the mountains

 

[Shakey]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

 

[kcates]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

A nice push workout there!

 

[Shakey]

A nice push workout there!

Thanks, adding dips killed me. Gunna keep them as a starter.

 

[BeMe]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

I get issues sometimes too from incline treadmill. I usually just do flat treadmill instead.

Do you ever use other equipment for cardio? Compressing a nerve sounds pretty tough

 

[Shakey]

I get issues sometimes too from incline treadmill. I usually just do flat treadmill instead.

Do you ever use other equipment for cardio? Compressing a nerve sounds pretty tough

Well it was just numbness basically. I find flat is worse, seems theres more impact felt in my spine when i walk flat, impact is the reason i cant run on treadmill.
Usually just treadmill and stairmill, but im going to be working in the recumbent bike at some point.

 

[BeMe]

Well it was just numbness basically. I find flat is worse, seems theres more impact felt in my spine when i walk flat, impact is the reason i cant run on treadmill.
Usually just treadmill and stairmill, but im going to be working in the recumbent bike at some point.

Recumbent sounds good, but sitting on one of those tiny bike seats might be an issue for your spine. Only 1 way to find out.

Elliptical is about as low impact as it gets. Might be a good option too

 

[Shakey]

Recumbent sounds good, but sitting on one of those tiny bike seats might be an issue for your spine. Only 1 way to find out.

Elliptical is about as low impact as it gets. Might be a good option too

The recumbents actually pretty good for me, seats are big. Now if it was the actual bike like ones with a nornal bike seat and handle bars yea, hard no.
Ive always hated the elliptical, just for no reason. Lol
Worth a shot though. But nothing gets me sweating like the stairmill.

 

[BeMe]

The recumbents actually pretty good for me, seats are big. Now if it was the actual bike like ones with a nornal bike seat and handle bars yea, hard no.
Ive always hated the elliptical, just for no reason. Lol
Worth a shot though. But nothing gets me sweating like the stairmill.

Yea stairmills are killer

 

[LevButlerov]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

Pushing hard today I like the presses! max
food balanced but fats way too low you need to mod it @Shakey

 

[Shakey]

Pushing hard today I like the presses! max
food balanced but fats way too low you need to mod it @Shakey

Yeah, They were lower than usual. Perhaps lean trimming my cuts is too much.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah, They were lower than usual. Perhaps lean trimming my cuts is too much.

add avocado daily if you can

 

[Shakey]

add avocado daily if you can

My menus going to stay basic for now. Im not too concerned about a perfect diet or the right kind of fats etc. Main goal is consistent healthy eating with min 200g protein daily.
Besides, canadian grocery prices are absolutely insane so i generally only necessities.

 

[BeMe]

add avocado daily if you can

Avocados are really expensive up here. He's not kidding. Its kind of a rich man's food haha. My wife and I get it as a treat.

Sounds crazy coming from where you are right @LevButlerov

I bet they're less than a buck down there. This time of year I pay $7+ per Avocado for organic

 

[Shakey]

Avocados are really expensive up here. He's not kidding. Its kind of a rich man's food haha. My wife and I get it as a treat.

Sounds crazy coming from where you are right @LevButlerov

I bet they're less than a buck down there. This time of year I pay $7+ per Avocado for organic

Shit, i thought $4 organic ones were expensive! Lol

 

[BeMe]

Shit, i thought $4 organic ones were expensive! Lol

That's in season prices. Right now they're crazy expensive and it's always a gamble if they're good or not.

 

[Shakey]

That's in season prices. Right now they're crazy expensive and it's always a gamble if they're good or not.

Damn, im good with my rarely shifting meal plan. Haha
As long as i get decent macros, the cheaper the better. With the prices lately, buying groceries here is like being robbed indirectly.

 

[stevesmi]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

@Shakey impressive job on this. I like that you're hitting that cardio hard as well. Just be careful if you've got numbing feet like that. Nerve problems are nothing to mess around with. They can definitely cause problems long-term.

 

[Shakey]

@Shakey impressive job on this. I like that you're hitting that cardio hard as well. Just be careful if you've got numbing feet like that. Nerve problems are nothing to mess around with. They can definitely cause problems long-term.

Yeah most likely just one of my discs. Called it early, and tried a little after weights. Got the same. Im baxk tomorrow so we will see if i should rest cardio for a few days. Its pull day, so maybe back ext warm up before cardio.

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah most likely just one of my discs. Called it early, and tried a little after weights. Got the same. Im baxk tomorrow so we will see if i should rest cardio for a few days. Its pull day, so maybe back ext warm up before cardio.

Disc issues are definitely a problem for us. I've been dealing with them since my early 30s. I want to tell you that hot yoga has been my lifesaver. It's the only thing that has helped me. Also, consistently working on your flexibility and mobility, which hot yoga will help with, is very important.

 

[Shakey]

Disc issues are definitely a problem for us. I've been dealing with them since my early 30s. I want to tell you that hot yoga has been my lifesaver. It's the only thing that has helped me. Also, consistently working on your flexibility and mobility, which hot yoga will help with, is very important.

So i had a look, there are 2 hot yoga places in town, but i cant fit them in the budget.
Ive been meaning to look up some stuff to try at home, i got a mat. And ive got a foam roller in my cart to buy eventually as well.

 

[stevesmi]

So i had a look, there are 2 hot yoga places in town, but i cant fit them in the budget.
Ive been meaning to look up some stuff to try at home, i got a mat. And ive got a foam roller in my cart to buy eventually as well.

usually they will run specials to get the price down to $10-15 a class. maybe go there and see what kind of holiday discounts they have and check them out. maybe try a class. a lot of those places will offer you a free class if you are new to it

 

[Shakey]

usually they will run specials to get the price down to $10-15 a class. maybe go there and see what kind of holiday discounts they have and check them out. maybe try a class. a lot of those places will offer you a free class if you are new to it

Ill check it out. There are unlimited hydro massages and massage chairs at my gym as well if i upgrade.

 

[LevButlerov]

Avocados are really expensive up here. He's not kidding. Its kind of a rich man's food haha. My wife and I get it as a treat.

Sounds crazy coming from where you are right @LevButlerov

I bet they're less than a buck down there. This time of year I pay $7+ per Avocado for organic

better get non organic in that case thats too pricy @BeMe

 

[LevButlerov]

My menus going to stay basic for now. Im not too concerned about a perfect diet or the right kind of fats etc. Main goal is consistent healthy eating with min 200g protein daily.
Besides, canadian grocery prices are absolutely insane so i generally only necessities.

Try getting flaxseeds in this case.

 

[Shakey]

Try getting flaxseeds in this case.

Thats in range, ill shop around.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thats in range, ill shop around.

awesome

 

[BeMe]

better get non organic in that case thats too pricy @BeMe

Non organic is still around $5 per Avocado. I'd rather spend the extra couple bucks tho.

 

[BeMe]

Thats in range, ill shop around.

If you get flax seed make sure you get pre-ground. Unless you got a grinder at home

 

[Mobster]

WDF is Peameal??

 

[Shakey]

awesome

Found 1kg canadian grown for $9.50. non organic but thats fine for me.

 

[stevesmi]

Ill check it out. There are unlimited hydro massages and massage chairs at my gym as well if i upgrade.

Keep in mind, you can’t massage a disk. In fact it will cause more issues. The only thing that helped me was hot yoga. Trust me after you do it you will feel the differences because it decompresses and it lubricates the joints, so it is really good for your discs.

 

[Shakey]

Keep in mind, you can’t massage a disk. In fact it will cause more issues. The only thing that helped me was hot yoga. Trust me after you do it you will feel the differences because it decompresses and it lubricates the joints, so it is really good for your discs.

Ill try some yoga out, just not sure if i got the budget for studio stuff consistently, looks like $25 a drop in around here.

 

[stevesmi]

Ill try some yoga out, just not sure if i got the budget for studio stuff consistently, looks like $25 a drop in around here.

yeah like i said i would talk to them man. i mean it is a business and yoga studios barely break even if they are lucky as it is. BUT if you talk to them i'm sure they can work something out with you to atleast get you into a couple classes. just make sure its not a bunch of old people in there, you want a studio that fits your demographic of younger and fit

 

[Shakey]

yeah like i said i would talk to them man. i mean it is a business and yoga studios barely break even if they are lucky as it is. BUT if you talk to them i'm sure they can work something out with you to atleast get you into a couple classes. just make sure its not a bunch of old people in there, you want a studio that fits your demographic of younger and fit

That is true. Ill have a chat with them, theres only 2 options here lol.

 

[Ulter]

12/27/25
Weight
191.8lbs
Macros
Cal/Pro/Carb/Fat
1965/235/193/36
Meal 1
157g peameal
94g all bran
125ml 2%
Meal 2
200g lean trimmed porkchops
200g rice
Post WO
2 scoops whey
Meal 3
200g lean trimmed pork chops
200g rice
Supps
6 Multivitamin
1 Probiotic
2 Digestive Enzyme
6g Fish Oil(1980mg EPA/1320 DHA)
2g Green Tea Extract
250mg Caffeine
1500mg NAC
500mcg Vitamin D + K2 200mcg E3D
1g Vitamin C
500mg Milk Thistle
14g Psyllium Husk
5g Creatine
Peptides
Reta 1mg weekly
BPC 300mcg daily

Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 25min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7
Called it at 25min, both feet went warmly numb, probably just compressed a nerve a little
Workout
Push
Dips 6+3Nx3
Incline flys 20x10x3
Dumbell press 40x10x3
Upright rows 85x10x1, 90x10x2
Lateral raise 15x10x3
Front raise 15x10x3
Barbell skullcrushers 70x13x1, 80x9x1, 80x6x1
Tricep ext 20x7x3
Rope pulldown 35x12x1, 40x10x2
Ab machine 80x8x1, 80x10x2
Cardio
Treadmill
Duration 15min
Incline 6
Speed 3.7

Cardio is really nice. 25 minutes is solid. Maybe you can try doing more high intensity shorter cardio if your feet are bothering you. You don't want to feel numbness. @Shakey