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DylanW23

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Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.


Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
 

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Update:
I was reading the "Underground Oral Steroid Handbook", I would be adding these 3 extra supplements
  1. Doctor's Best NAC Detox Regulators 600mg/day
  2. NOW CoQ10 -- 100 mg/day
  3. Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 -- 25 mcg (1,000 IU) D3 + 45 mcg K2 (2x daily)

Below per ChatGPT is the full reasoning and coverage a bit in-depth.

1. NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), since Tbol is liver toxic; NAC boosts glutathione, your body’s main detox system. Works with TUDCA for full-spectrum liver protection.
2. CoQ10, because it protects heart, improves mitochondrial energy, offsets possible cholesterol issues from AAS.
3. Vitamin K-2, While my multi only has K1. K2 directs calcium into bones and away from arteries, especially important on cycles that may affect lipids and blood pressure.

-----------------

Liver Support (Tbol hepatotoxicity)
TUDCA 1200mg/day — Excellent choice, gold-standard for protecting liver against oral steroid stress.
Omega-3 — Anti-inflammatory, helps with blood lipids (Tbol can raise cholesterol).
Ashwagandha — Cortisol control, helps with mood and recovery (doesn’t directly protect liver but helps overall).

Kidney, Heart, Blood Pressure
Magnesium citrate — Good for blood pressure and muscle relaxation.
Omega-3 — Heart/joint/vascular health.
Creatine — Safe for kidneys at your dose; on cycle, hydration is important to protect kidneys.
Citrulline — Improves blood flow and can help keep BP healthier.

Muscle & Performance
Creatine
Beta-Alanine
Citrulline
Whey isolate
Intra-workout (Swolverine INTRA) — EAAs, electrolytes.

Micronutrients
Multivitamin — Garden of Life RAW One is decent, but make sure it has:
Zinc
Selenium
D3
K2 (most multis don’t have enough K2 — this is important while on cycle for vascular health)

The multivitamin has 1,600IU of D3, Zinc, Selenium, and K1. I'd use Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 to cover while on cycle.

Off-Cycle / PCT
Liver support → Drop NAC after 2–4 weeks post-Tbol (since liver enzymes normalize fairly quickly if diet is clean).
Heart/lipid support → Keep CoQ10 + Fish Oil year-round. Heart & vascular system always benefit.
Vitamin K2 → Keep year-round with D3.
Creatine, protein, beta-alanine, citrulline → Keep year-round if still training hard.
TUDCA → Only during/shortly after 17-alpha-alkylated steroids like Tbol or Anavar.
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
@DylanW23 now fully welcome to the EVO family :D this is an awesome start. :D very good info, and you already look like you made gains.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.
  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
A testosterone only cycle is the best way for you but you can use orals with it, HCG not needed.
  1. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
No need primo masteron or npp.
  1. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
HCG is estrogenic and dangerous. Dont use.
  1. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
Hard to see until we see more of your info.
  1. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.
Getting your log going BEFORE you start and being consistent is really the key here.

Diet Plan:
Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.
Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc

Update:
I was reading the "Underground Oral Steroid Handbook", I would be adding these 3 extra supplements
  1. Doctor's Best NAC Detox Regulators 600mg/day
  2. NOW CoQ10 -- 100 mg/day
  3. Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 -- 25 mcg (1,000 IU) D3 + 45 mcg K2 (2x daily)

Below per ChatGPT is the full reasoning and coverage a bit in-depth.

1. NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), since Tbol is liver toxic; NAC boosts glutathione, your body’s main detox system. Works with TUDCA for full-spectrum liver protection.
2. CoQ10, because it protects heart, improves mitochondrial energy, offsets possible cholesterol issues from AAS.
3. Vitamin K-2, While my multi only has K1. K2 directs calcium into bones and away from arteries, especially important on cycles that may affect lipids and blood pressure.

-----------------

Liver Support (Tbol hepatotoxicity)
TUDCA 1200mg/day — Excellent choice, gold-standard for protecting liver against oral steroid stress.
Omega-3 — Anti-inflammatory, helps with blood lipids (Tbol can raise cholesterol).
Ashwagandha — Cortisol control, helps with mood and recovery (doesn’t directly protect liver but helps overall).

Kidney, Heart, Blood Pressure
Magnesium citrate — Good for blood pressure and muscle relaxation.
Omega-3 — Heart/joint/vascular health.
Creatine — Safe for kidneys at your dose; on cycle, hydration is important to protect kidneys.
Citrulline — Improves blood flow and can help keep BP healthier.

Muscle & Performance
Creatine
Beta-Alanine
Citrulline
Whey isolate
Intra-workout (Swolverine INTRA) — EAAs, electrolytes.

Micronutrients
Multivitamin — Garden of Life RAW One is decent, but make sure it has:
Zinc
Selenium
D3
K2 (most multis don’t have enough K2 — this is important while on cycle for vascular health)

The multivitamin has 1,600IU of D3, Zinc, Selenium, and K1. I'd use Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 to cover while on cycle.

Off-Cycle / PCT
Liver support → Drop NAC after 2–4 weeks post-Tbol (since liver enzymes normalize fairly quickly if diet is clean).
Heart/lipid support → Keep CoQ10 + Fish Oil year-round. Heart & vascular system always benefit.
Vitamin K2 → Keep year-round with D3.
Creatine, protein, beta-alanine, citrulline → Keep year-round if still training hard.
TUDCA → Only during/shortly after 17-alpha-alkylated steroids like Tbol or Anavar.
This is all Chatgpt nonsense, total BS layout.
You mean you read this ebook?
https://irongorillas.com/underground-oral-steroid-handbook
I co-wrote that ebook lol :P
And I didnt say use coq10 or NAC, I said you need to use N2guard cycle support.
read this
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

More research for you -

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

thank you and share more :)
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
nice job on this one. @DylanW23 glad you are opening up about your ptsd issues. you have a good base to work with.
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
@DylanW23 this will be a great log to get yourself BALANCED. i believe training and healthy living is the best medicine. that is what we love
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
@DylanW23 good job on this one man. i'm proud of you. overcoming obstacles is part of life we all go through it
 
Update:
I was reading the "Underground Oral Steroid Handbook", I would be adding these 3 extra supplements
  1. Doctor's Best NAC Detox Regulators 600mg/day
  2. NOW CoQ10 -- 100 mg/day
  3. Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 -- 25 mcg (1,000 IU) D3 + 45 mcg K2 (2x daily)

Below per ChatGPT is the full reasoning and coverage a bit in-depth.

1. NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine), since Tbol is liver toxic; NAC boosts glutathione, your body’s main detox system. Works with TUDCA for full-spectrum liver protection.
2. CoQ10, because it protects heart, improves mitochondrial energy, offsets possible cholesterol issues from AAS.
3. Vitamin K-2, While my multi only has K1. K2 directs calcium into bones and away from arteries, especially important on cycles that may affect lipids and blood pressure.

-----------------

Liver Support (Tbol hepatotoxicity)
TUDCA 1200mg/day — Excellent choice, gold-standard for protecting liver against oral steroid stress.
Omega-3 — Anti-inflammatory, helps with blood lipids (Tbol can raise cholesterol).
Ashwagandha — Cortisol control, helps with mood and recovery (doesn’t directly protect liver but helps overall).

Kidney, Heart, Blood Pressure
Magnesium citrate — Good for blood pressure and muscle relaxation.
Omega-3 — Heart/joint/vascular health.
Creatine — Safe for kidneys at your dose; on cycle, hydration is important to protect kidneys.
Citrulline — Improves blood flow and can help keep BP healthier.

Muscle & Performance
Creatine
Beta-Alanine
Citrulline
Whey isolate
Intra-workout (Swolverine INTRA) — EAAs, electrolytes.

Micronutrients
Multivitamin — Garden of Life RAW One is decent, but make sure it has:
Zinc
Selenium
D3
K2 (most multis don’t have enough K2 — this is important while on cycle for vascular health)

The multivitamin has 1,600IU of D3, Zinc, Selenium, and K1. I'd use Force Factor Vitamin D3 & K2 to cover while on cycle.

Off-Cycle / PCT
Liver support → Drop NAC after 2–4 weeks post-Tbol (since liver enzymes normalize fairly quickly if diet is clean).
Heart/lipid support → Keep CoQ10 + Fish Oil year-round. Heart & vascular system always benefit.
Vitamin K2 → Keep year-round with D3.
Creatine, protein, beta-alanine, citrulline → Keep year-round if still training hard.
TUDCA → Only during/shortly after 17-alpha-alkylated steroids like Tbol or Anavar.
bro nice i serve too. good to see you on here. that a nice layout. my advice is always lots of red meat and lots of tren. @DylanW23
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
@DylanW23 bros good start to this. i think cycle look good. i would consider doing just primo and some test first cycle. but cycle not bad. no need for hcg i don't think you need it
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
body memory is a real thing. you are gonna get into great shape @DylanW23 we believe in you man !
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.


Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
@DylanW23 nice start to the log man glad to have you and can’t wait to see your progression.
 

Firstly, hello everyone, this is going to be a long thread to try to cover everything needed to get the most help on making sure what i'm thinking and going for is covered and the most help is provided.

Background & Context

I’m 29 years old (as of today, lol), currently 165 lbs (weighed in this morning) with an estimated body fat of about 12% based on a 16" neck and 33" waist and 6'2" tall. I’m a former military service member, and like many here can probably relate, transitioning from the military to civilian life hit me hard mentally, physically, and emotionally. I’ve dealt with PTSD, loss of purpose, chronic pain, and the physical toll of years of wear and tear. My knees and hips have taken a beating, and about a year after leaving the service, I was in such bad shape from a back injury that I was using a cane. In 2022, I finally built up the motivation to get back in the gym in a serious way. I studied Jeff Nippard’s Powerbuilding Phase 3.0 and The Ultimate Guide to Body Recomposition. I trained for 6 months straight—no rest days. Physically, I was making huge gains and mentally I felt better than I had in years. I worked past some old injuries, rebuilt my back to the point where I no longer needed a cane (huge milestone for me), and got back to walking normally. Unfortunately, my knees still limit my squat strength, and in pushing myself too far I nearly tore my MCL, which forced me to stop training entirely. Since then, I haven’t been consistent. Over the last 3 years, I fell back into depression barely eating (every other day at best), sleeping poorly, drinking every weekend, and dealing with paranoia at an all-time high. Now, I’m ready to start over, but I want to do it right this time laying a solid foundation, keeping my mental health stable, and building my physique back stronger than before while minimizing injury risk.
Photo Context:
  • First 5 photos: Taken tonight (8/11/2025)
  • Next 3: April/May 2022 at my lifting peak
  • Final 2: Before the military (Sept 2017)
Cycle Considerations:
I’ve been looking into a Test E-based first cycle with Turinabol and either HGH or HCG to preserve testicular function and help with recovery post-cycle. My thought is to ensure my natural production can return to normal afterward, since there’s a chance this might be a one-and-done cycle… but I also know myself, so it could end up being longer. I’m open to all feedback from experienced members on whether this approach makes sense and how to fine-tune it.

Supplement Stack - With reasons to each
NOW Magnesium Citrate -- 400 mg (3x a day) **Supports sleep, blood pressure, and muscle relaxation**
NOW Ultra Omega-3 Fish Oil (2x a day) **To meet fish requirements weekly & Supports joints, heart, inflammation**
Nutricost KSM-66 Ashwagandha Root Extract -- 600 mg (1x a day) **Reduces cortisol, supports mood, improves recovery**
NOW Sports Creatine Monohydrate (5g a day) **post-workout**
ALLMAX Nutrition Beta-Alanine (1 scoop daily) **Delays muscle burn/fatigue, more hypertrophy stimulus**
Healthy Origins L-Citrulline (1 scoop daily) **Increases nitric oxide, Reduces fatigue, improved blood flow during training**
Garden of Life Vitamin Code® RAW One™ Multivitamin (1x a day) **To ensure I'm getting all the vitamins I need daily**
Swolverine INTRA Tropical Blast (1 scoop daily) **To be hydrated a boost of endurance for working out + EAA's**
Redcon1 ISOTOPE 100% Whey Isolate (1.5 scoops daily) **To meet macros**
TUDCA Supplement 1200mg (2x a day) **For liver support**
**The total for these all is $200**

Diet Plan:

Target I wanted: Calories: 3079, Fat: 86g (25%), Carbs: 359g, Protein: 218g (1.5xlbm)
Current/Current I made below: Calories: 3162.95, Fat: 85.10g, Carbs: 359.01g, Protein: 218.68g
  • Breakfast: 45g Oats, 3x Scrambled Eggs, 1x Greek Yogurt Cup, 2x Toast, 1x Apple and 2x Egg Whites (724.55 k/cal, 19.3g fat, 84.85g carbs, 50.84g protein)
  • Lunch: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Dinner: 7oz Chicken Breasts, 104g Dry Rice, 2/3cup Mixed Veggies, 1tsp Olive Oil (706.7 k/cal, 13.53g fat, 90.83g carbs, 53.17g protein)
  • Snack: 1x Banana, 1/2cup Oats, 1.5 Scoops Whey, 2tbsp Peanut Butter (600 k/cal, 18.25g fat, 36.50g carbs, 50.50g protein)
  • Post-Workout: 2tbsp Peanut Butter, 2x Toast, 1x Apple (380 k/cal, 16.5g fat, 54g carbs, 11g protein)
  • Supp's: 1 Scoop Intra, 2x Omega-3, 3x Magnesium (45 k/cal, 4g fat, 2g carbs 0g protein)
So, I'm basically 84k/cal over, 0.90g fat, 0.01g carbs and .680g protein off target diet. The totals are this for food only (Per Day: $8.34, Per Week: $58.38, Per Month: $250.20), with food + supp's I listed in Diet (Per Day: $9.81, Per Week: $68.67, Per Month: $294.30). I did make a whole custom excel doc that auto calculates everything from bmi to macros needed by x values and bodyfat %. finally, it's all setup for tracking food by macros and $x for daily pricing.

Training Plan:
  • Monday: Legs + Conditioning
  • Tuesday: Rest
  • Wednesday: Upper Strength (Bench, Rows, Overhead Press, Accessories)
  • Thursday: Rest
  • Friday:Lower Strength (Squat, Deadlift, Lunges, Accessories)
  • Saturday: Rest (either running or rest)
  • Sunday: Rest (either running or rest)
I want to maybe do a little more but I'm not sure of a 100% training plan at the moment. I will adjust as I go alone based on how I'm performing in the gym.

Proposed AAS Cycle (First Run)
This is what I’ve been considering for my first cycle based on research and examples I’ve seen for a solid first cycle that won't do a lot of damage to my body. It would be Test E: 250 mg/week, Turinabol: 25mg daily/4 weeks, then either HCG or HGH I'm still not 100% sure on which yet. I see positives for but not sure of a solid way. I’m not looking to overcomplicate my first run. I want feedback on whether sticking to what I said above as the smartest move, or if adding something mild early on (like Primo) could be worth it or something, because there maybe a chance that I get the results I want from the first cycle and just get off and not going into two+ cycles. I do understand that once I get off if I do then I will lose some muscle mass and all as its not based on gear rather than the food, training and supp's.

Cycle Goals:
  • Rebuild lost muscle mass and strength
  • Enhance mood and mental clarity
  • Improve energy, motivation, and recovery
  • Maintain joint health and prevent re-injury
  • Look leaner and more defined
  • Go past my old PR's and love to get over double they were

Proposed PCT Plan:
For this I actually have 0 idea of a way to go, I have seen to take Clomid and/or Nolvadex to kickstart my natural test again and recover from using the gear for 12 weeks, while continue supportive supplements (Omega-3, Vitamin D, Creatine, etc.). I’d like advice on whether this PCT layout makes sense if I start with Test/Tbol and either HGH or HCG, and whether adjustments are needed if I add other compounds.

What I Need Feedback On

  1. Is my proposed cycle realistic for my goals, or should I simplify even further?
  2. Is adding Primo/Mast/NPP too much for a first cycle?
  3. Best practices for HCG dosing alongside Test.
  4. Will my PCT plan be effective for a low-to-moderate first run?
  5. Any veteran-specific considerations for physical and mental stability while on cycle.

I’ll be updating this log regularly once I start—with weekly check-ins for weight, body composition changes, training performance, mood, and overall well-being. My goal is to have this log not just help me but also help other vets who may be in the same place I am now. Thanks in advance for the guidance, and to my fellow service members here—thank you for your service. I want to make sure everything is solid before I order everything and get started. I'm getting the supp's tonight as the deal of $200 is only good for 8hr's left. it's all over $350 normally.

If you all need any extra info, just ask me and ill provide it all to you. Have a wonderful night and day all.
Very detailed and nice start and opening will be following along 💪
 
Good work
 
@DylanW23 now fully welcome to the EVO family :D this is an awesome start. :D very good info, and you already look like you made gains.

thanks, Sorry i been busy as shit with work and doing some college studying. i havent been in the gym in some time sadly lol. the last 6/7 months i was always home, barely eating "every other day" or every 3 days and sitting on my pc doing software development work.
A testosterone only cycle is the best way for you but you can use orals with it, HCG not needed.

I thought of a whole new cycle which would extend into 16 weeks instead of 12 with Test E + Tbol, i was still thinking about HCG so i can Mimics LH to stimulate natural testosterone production, so i can prevent low libido, slower recovery, sperm production, mainly trying to prevent from having a shit sex life due to increased amount of test @ 300mg. As well as it will make the PCT process go smoother and go back to "normal" quicker.
No need primo masteron or npp.

These were what others did and was curious, i know if i do a 2nd cycle i may get into Deca honestly.
HCG is estrogenic and dangerous. Dont use.

How so? i seen alot of positives to it over HGH
Hard to see until we see more of your info.

So i was going to rework the whole cycle to go from 12-16 weeks and run this type of cycle

Week 1-2 (split Mon/Thurs) 200mg Test E (Only) just to make sure my body is responding to it correctly and I’m not allergic to anything oil wise that it’s sitting in.
Week 3-5 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 6-10 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG 25MG Tbol (Daily)
Week 11-16 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 17-18 Off cycle phase
Week 19-20(Daily Taken) 50MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex
Week 21-22 (Daily Taken) 25MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex

Getting your log going BEFORE you start and being consistent is really the key here.

I have the long lists of workouts i did everyday when i was in the gym back in 2022, like what i did + setxreps per and lbs per workout. i was very detailed within everything i did back then so i know id do the same now but probably more as im a high level of obsessed with statistics/data management as an IT professional it makes sense lol. I made a custom excel to track everything so far for nutrition + pricing + supplements and info.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc

Cardio is my worst type of "workout" as a child i had asthma but i outgrew it, i just never been able to run nor liked it lol. I do have to be able to run 1.5 mile in under 13 mins which is a challenge after not running since my military days back in 2019 lol. i do remember when i enlisted i was running a 2-mile time "walking" in over 25 mins lol. Then after 10 weeks of basic i graduated with a 2-mile time of 15:30. I'm trying to go be a state trooper or sheriff lol. The workouts itself, like i said above i was well over the top with documenting everything i did within the gym. I did make a sample of what id do over the 16 weeks but not sure on how solid i feel with it yet, i change workouts up all the time depending on whats free in the gym based on what i can do. like if the cables are packed "Them fuckers always are" and i can get a rack ill do all rack related stuff per the muscle group im in there for. I'd google different things to do as a replacement for x cable exercise with a bar. The Excel for this is coming this week.

This is all Chatgpt nonsense, total BS layout.
You mean you read this ebook?
https://irongorillas.com/underground-oral-steroid-handbook
I co-wrote that ebook lol :P
And I didnt say use coq10 or NAC, I said you need to use N2guard cycle support.
read this
https://n2guard.com
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Yeah i seen the book however from what i seen the other stuff would be more helpful for on-cycle, PCT and after cycle compared to just using N2guard.
 
@DylanW23 this will be a great log to get yourself BALANCED. i believe training and healthy living is the best medicine. that is what we love

Thanks, yeah i want to make sure that im doing it all right and ensuring the smallest level of damage to my body and getting back into it all smoothly compared to over shooting goals and fucking myself. My plan is starting this weekend, ill be meal prepping and spend a week of eating the macros i said above to see if its "Maintenace" or "surplus/bulk" or "deficit/cut" with working out at a slow rate to rebuild muscle memory. The worry is doing too much at once and something goes wrong and not knowing how to "figure out" what went wrong if it did. then running a solid cycle of
Week 1-2 (split Mon/Thurs) 200mg Test E (Only) just to make sure my body is responding to it correctly and I’m not allergic to anything oil wise that it’s sitting in.
Week 3-5 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 6-10 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG 25MG Tbol (Daily)
Week 11-16 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 17-18 Off cycle phase
Week 19-20(Daily Taken) 50MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex
Week 21-22 (Daily Taken) 25MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex

probably, then after week 22 I’d stop taking NAC detox, CoQ10, Magnesium Citrate, then taper off of Vitamin D3+K2 and Ashwagandha unless it makes a change in positive way to mood then I’ll stay on year-round. Everything else above will continue year-round. With doing blood work for a full hormone panel + lipids, CMP, CBC, SHBG and Prolactin before the cycle, week 8 and week 24/26. I'm in the middle of trying to convince my doc to get the full hormone panel done for free so i can save hundreds via getting it done myself/pay out of pocket. However, the VA works very slow sadly.
 
bro nice i serve too. good to see you on here. that a nice layout. my advice is always lots of red meat and lots of tren. @DylanW23

i seen way to many bad sides of tren to never want to go for that lol. Then after some studies i read into years ago about red meat and stake with what it does to your body/heart i just never went for it anymore and then became a diehard fan of chicken and thats it lol
 
Really great start to the log with all the detail you laid out. I look forward to following along.

thanks, i have some changes that im making like i have posted above in a reply to someone else then food eating and workout logs will be posted this weekend/next week whenever i have time to since im behind in college and getting my dick smacked at work lol
 
thanks, Sorry i been busy as shit with work and doing some college studying. i havent been in the gym in some time sadly lol. the last 6/7 months i was always home, barely eating "every other day" or every 3 days and sitting on my pc doing software development work.
If you on PC check in with EVO family 10min of your time easy :D @DylanW23
How so? i seen alot of positives to it over HGH
HCG over hgh? what are you talking about? they are like comparing an Airplane and a shopping cart, just different things completely.
So i was going to rework the whole cycle to go from 12-16 weeks and run this type of cycle

Week 1-2 (split Mon/Thurs) 200mg Test E (Only) just to make sure my body is responding to it correctly and I’m not allergic to anything oil wise that it’s sitting in.
Week 3-5 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 6-10 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG 25MG Tbol (Daily)
Week 11-16 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 17-18 Off cycle phase
Week 19-20(Daily Taken) 50MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex
Week 21-22 (Daily Taken) 25MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex
Again you don't need HCG there, and your cycle needs some EQ and n2guard with cardarine.
Cardio is my worst type of "workout" as a child i had asthma but i outgrew it, i just never been able to run nor liked it lol. I do have to be able to run 1.5 mile in under 13 mins which is a challenge after not running since my military days back in 2019 lol. i do remember when i enlisted i was running a 2-mile time "walking" in over 25 mins lol. Then after 10 weeks of basic i graduated with a 2-mile time of 15:30. I'm trying to go be a state trooper or sheriff lol. The workouts itself, like i said above i was well over the top with documenting everything i did within the gym. I did make a sample of what id do over the 16 weeks but not sure on how solid i feel with it yet, i change workouts up all the time depending on whats free in the gym based on what i can do. like if the cables are packed "Them fuckers always are" and i can get a rack ill do all rack related stuff per the muscle group im in there for. I'd google different things to do as a replacement for x cable exercise with a bar. The Excel for this is coming this week.
Start doing walking cardio up treadmill pre post training, doesn't require high cardio push.
 
i seen way to many bad sides of tren to never want to go for that lol. Then after some studies i read into years ago about red meat and stake with what it does to your body/heart i just never went for it anymore and then became a diehard fan of chicken and thats it lol
bro tren make the man though. yeah it make you crazy but so what. we all crazy anyway
 
Thanks, yeah i want to make sure that im doing it all right and ensuring the smallest level of damage to my body and getting back into it all smoothly compared to over shooting goals and fucking myself. My plan is starting this weekend, ill be meal prepping and spend a week of eating the macros i said above to see if its "Maintenace" or "surplus/bulk" or "deficit/cut" with working out at a slow rate to rebuild muscle memory. The worry is doing too much at once and something goes wrong and not knowing how to "figure out" what went wrong if it did. then running a solid cycle of
Week 1-2 (split Mon/Thurs) 200mg Test E (Only) just to make sure my body is responding to it correctly and I’m not allergic to anything oil wise that it’s sitting in.
Week 3-5 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 6-10 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG 25MG Tbol (Daily)
Week 11-16 (split Mon/Thurs) 300mg Test E 2x 250IU HCG
Week 17-18 Off cycle phase
Week 19-20(Daily Taken) 50MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex
Week 21-22 (Daily Taken) 25MG Clomid 20MG Nolvadex

probably, then after week 22 I’d stop taking NAC detox, CoQ10, Magnesium Citrate, then taper off of Vitamin D3+K2 and Ashwagandha unless it makes a change in positive way to mood then I’ll stay on year-round. Everything else above will continue year-round. With doing blood work for a full hormone panel + lipids, CMP, CBC, SHBG and Prolactin before the cycle, week 8 and week 24/26. I'm in the middle of trying to convince my doc to get the full hormone panel done for free so i can save hundreds via getting it done myself/pay out of pocket. However, the VA works very slow sadly.
sounds like a plan!
 
If you on PC check in with EVO family 10min of your time easy :D @DylanW23
Im back lol, i been waiting mainly for bloodwork. i finally have my appointment on the 2nd to get a custom full panel of the following "see screenshot"
1756695491745.webp

HCG over hgh? what are you talking about? they are like comparing an Airplane and a shopping cart, just different things completely.
i get what they both do to an extent but i mean my main focus was "preventing testicular atrophy" and to boost "endogenous" while on cycle.
Again you don't need HCG there, and your cycle needs some EQ and n2guard with cardarine.
i may do HCG for 1000IU per week for 2-3 weeks on PCT to kick start test again with clomid/Nolvadex like i said about above. then for n2guard i seen but to prevent other issues that could happen as im someone that overthinks everything. the other supplements i stated above would protect against it all or atleast make it a smaller hit of damage.
Start doing walking cardio up treadmill pre post training, doesn't require high cardio push.
i was going to do cardio everyday after i workout mainly bike/run nothing too crazy. then random days i will be running 2 miles to train for 13Min 1.5 mile test.
That is great
i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.
bro tren make the man though. yeah it make you crazy but so what. we all crazy anyway
just the side effects of tren is crazy compared to other stuff lol
of course, how do you think pro athletes come back after huge injuries
yeah i build a solid plan to get back into it all.
sounds like a plan!
i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.
its what we do!
of course we must keep moving forward tbh.
 
Below will be my workout plan, it took me sometime with alot of research to find a truly solid plan for strength training, Hypertrophy, Progressive overload and to gain muscle quick with hitting every target area.

its going to be wither a 5-day workout plan or every-other day split.

Day 1: Squat/Lower Body Strength
Day 2: Bench/Chest + Triceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Deadlift/Back Thickness
Day 5: Rest
Day 6: Arms & Shoulders Specialization
Day 7: Chest/Back Hypertrophy (Pump Volume)

Squat & Lower Strength​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget Muscles
Competition Back SquatAs per block (4×6 → 5×3 → heavy singles)Quads, glutes, erectors
Pause Front Squat3×5Quads, core
Romanian Deadlift3×8–10Hamstrings, glutes
Walking Lunge (Weighted)3×10/legGlutes, adductors
Hack Squat (Low Foot)3×10–12Quads (VMO)
Seated Calf Raise4×15–20Soleus
Hanging Leg Raise3×12–15Core

Bench/Chest + Triceps​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Competition Bench (Paused)Main lift progressionChest, front delt, tris
Close Grip Bench3×5–8Triceps (medial head)
Incline DB Press (Slow Negative)3×8–10Upper chest
Weighted Dips3×6–8Lower chest, tris
JM Press or Skullcrusher3×8–10Triceps (long/lateral)
Overhead DB Extension3×10–12Long head triceps
Cable Fly (FST-7)7×10Chest stretch & pump

Deadlift & Back​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
DeadliftMain lift progressionFull posterior chain
Block Pull (Rack Pull)3×3–5Lockout strength
Barbell Row (Underhand/Dorian)4×6–8Lats, traps
Pull-Ups (Weighted)3–4×6–10Lats, teres major
Meadows Row3×8–10/sideLats, rhomboids
Chest-Supported Rear Delt Raise3×12–15Rear delts, traps
Weighted Back Extensions3×12–15Erectors, glutes

Arms & Shoulders Specialization​


ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Overhead Press4×6–8Front delts
Cable Lateral Raise (Drop)3×12–15Side delts
Arnold Press3×10–12Front/side delts
Incline DB Curl3×8–12Biceps (long head)
Hammer Curl (Heavy)3×6–8Brachialis, forearms
Preacher Curl (Slow Neg)3×10–12Biceps (short head)
Rope Pushdowns3×12–15Triceps lateral/medial
Overhead Rope Extension3×12Triceps long head

Chest/Back Hypertrophy​


ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Bench Press (Volume)3×6–8 @70%Chest, triceps
Pause Squat (Volume)3×5Quads, glutes
Incline Machine Press3×10–12Chest
T-Bar Row (Chest-Supported)4×8–10Back thickness
Cable Pullovers3×12–15Lats stretch
Shrugs (Heavy)3×12–15Traps
Spider Curls3×12–15Biceps peak

then i will be running a main lift progression plan of this
PhaseBench %Squat %Deadlift %Rep Scheme
W1–460–70%60–70%60–70%4×6
W5–870–80%70–80%70–80%5×4
W9–1280–90%80–90%80–90%5×3 → 5×2
W13–1585–92.5%85–92.5%85–92.5%Heavy singles + backoffs
W16Peak/TestPeak/TestPeak/TestNew max

The idea is with me starting at the following (Old Max's)
Bench: 230lbs
Squat: 250lbs
Deadlift: 300lbs / 370lbs (Straps)
----------------------------------------------------
Where i want to be after this 16 week cycle or as close as possible to it
Bench: 300-350+lbs
Squat: 450+lbs
Deadlift: 500+lbs / 600+lbs(Straps)

Because of my MCL issues and bad knees from the military, squats will be a real struggle. For each lift, I plan to start around 60% of my target goal. For example, to reach a 300 lb bench press, I’d start at 180 lbs manageable for me. For squats, that would mean starting at 270 lbs, which will be difficult since my old max was 250 lbs due to my knee problems. On the leg press machine, I can push over 700 lbs, so we’ll see how that translates. For deadlifts (no straps), my old max was 300 lbs, so I may start at 50% (250 lbs) and progress quickly in the first month. My goal is to reach 70% (350 lbs) by then to stay on track for hitting over 500 lbs by the end of 16 weeks.
 
Im back lol, i been waiting mainly for bloodwork. i finally have my appointment on the 2nd to get a custom full panel of the following "see screenshot"
View attachment 115195

i get what they both do to an extent but i mean my main focus was "preventing testicular atrophy" and to boost "endogenous" while on cycle.

i may do HCG for 1000IU per week for 2-3 weeks on PCT to kick start test again with clomid/Nolvadex like i said about above. then for n2guard i seen but to prevent other issues that could happen as im someone that overthinks everything. the other supplements i stated above would protect against it all or atleast make it a smaller hit of damage.

i was going to do cardio everyday after i workout mainly bike/run nothing too crazy. then random days i will be running 2 miles to train for 13Min 1.5 mile test.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

just the side effects of tren is crazy compared to other stuff lol

yeah i build a solid plan to get back into it all.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

of course we must keep moving forward tbh.
Hard to tell since you're talking to us every 2 weeks. @DylanW23
Below will be my workout plan, it took me sometime with alot of research to find a truly solid plan for strength training, Hypertrophy, Progressive overload and to gain muscle quick with hitting every target area.

its going to be wither a 5-day workout plan or every-other day split.

Day 1: Squat/Lower Body Strength
Day 2: Bench/Chest + Triceps
Day 3: Rest
Day 4: Deadlift/Back Thickness
Day 5: Rest
Day 6: Arms & Shoulders Specialization
Day 7: Chest/Back Hypertrophy (Pump Volume)

Squat & Lower Strength​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget Muscles
Competition Back SquatAs per block (4×6 → 5×3 → heavy singles)Quads, glutes, erectors
Pause Front Squat3×5Quads, core
Romanian Deadlift3×8–10Hamstrings, glutes
Walking Lunge (Weighted)3×10/legGlutes, adductors
Hack Squat (Low Foot)3×10–12Quads (VMO)
Seated Calf Raise4×15–20Soleus
Hanging Leg Raise3×12–15Core

Bench/Chest + Triceps​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Competition Bench (Paused)Main lift progressionChest, front delt, tris
Close Grip Bench3×5–8Triceps (medial head)
Incline DB Press (Slow Negative)3×8–10Upper chest
Weighted Dips3×6–8Lower chest, tris
JM Press or Skullcrusher3×8–10Triceps (long/lateral)
Overhead DB Extension3×10–12Long head triceps
Cable Fly (FST-7)7×10Chest stretch & pump

Deadlift & Back​

ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
DeadliftMain lift progressionFull posterior chain
Block Pull (Rack Pull)3×3–5Lockout strength
Barbell Row (Underhand/Dorian)4×6–8Lats, traps
Pull-Ups (Weighted)3–4×6–10Lats, teres major
Meadows Row3×8–10/sideLats, rhomboids
Chest-Supported Rear Delt Raise3×12–15Rear delts, traps
Weighted Back Extensions3×12–15Erectors, glutes

Arms & Shoulders Specialization​


ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Overhead Press4×6–8Front delts
Cable Lateral Raise (Drop)3×12–15Side delts
Arnold Press3×10–12Front/side delts
Incline DB Curl3×8–12Biceps (long head)
Hammer Curl (Heavy)3×6–8Brachialis, forearms
Preacher Curl (Slow Neg)3×10–12Biceps (short head)
Rope Pushdowns3×12–15Triceps lateral/medial
Overhead Rope Extension3×12Triceps long head

Chest/Back Hypertrophy​


ExerciseSets/RepsTarget
Bench Press (Volume)3×6–8 @70%Chest, triceps
Pause Squat (Volume)3×5Quads, glutes
Incline Machine Press3×10–12Chest
T-Bar Row (Chest-Supported)4×8–10Back thickness
Cable Pullovers3×12–15Lats stretch
Shrugs (Heavy)3×12–15Traps
Spider Curls3×12–15Biceps peak

then i will be running a main lift progression plan of this
PhaseBench %Squat %Deadlift %Rep Scheme
W1–460–70%60–70%60–70%4×6
W5–870–80%70–80%70–80%5×4
W9–1280–90%80–90%80–90%5×3 → 5×2
W13–1585–92.5%85–92.5%85–92.5%Heavy singles + backoffs
W16Peak/TestPeak/TestPeak/TestNew max

The idea is with me starting at the following (Old Max's)
Bench: 230lbs
Squat: 250lbs
Deadlift: 300lbs / 370lbs (Straps)
----------------------------------------------------
Where i want to be after this 16 week cycle or as close as possible to it
Bench: 300-350+lbs
Squat: 450+lbs
Deadlift: 500+lbs / 600+lbs(Straps)

Because of my MCL issues and bad knees from the military, squats will be a real struggle. For each lift, I plan to start around 60% of my target goal. For example, to reach a 300 lb bench press, I’d start at 180 lbs manageable for me. For squats, that would mean starting at 270 lbs, which will be difficult since my old max was 250 lbs due to my knee problems. On the leg press machine, I can push over 700 lbs, so we’ll see how that translates. For deadlifts (no straps), my old max was 300 lbs, so I may start at 50% (250 lbs) and progress quickly in the first month. My goal is to reach 70% (350 lbs) by then to stay on track for hitting over 500 lbs by the end of 16 weeks.
It's not clear why you are doing lower reps on this. I think you can stay at these reps and do more volume.
 
Im back lol, i been waiting mainly for bloodwork. i finally have my appointment on the 2nd to get a custom full panel of the following "see screenshot"
View attachment 115195

i get what they both do to an extent but i mean my main focus was "preventing testicular atrophy" and to boost "endogenous" while on cycle.

i may do HCG for 1000IU per week for 2-3 weeks on PCT to kick start test again with clomid/Nolvadex like i said about above. then for n2guard i seen but to prevent other issues that could happen as im someone that overthinks everything. the other supplements i stated above would protect against it all or atleast make it a smaller hit of damage.

i was going to do cardio everyday after i workout mainly bike/run nothing too crazy. then random days i will be running 2 miles to train for 13Min 1.5 mile test.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

just the side effects of tren is crazy compared to other stuff lol

yeah i build a solid plan to get back into it all.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

of course we must keep moving forward tbh.
that is a good bloodwork layout
 
Im back lol, i been waiting mainly for bloodwork. i finally have my appointment on the 2nd to get a custom full panel of the following "see screenshot"
View attachment 115195

i get what they both do to an extent but i mean my main focus was "preventing testicular atrophy" and to boost "endogenous" while on cycle.

i may do HCG for 1000IU per week for 2-3 weeks on PCT to kick start test again with clomid/Nolvadex like i said about above. then for n2guard i seen but to prevent other issues that could happen as im someone that overthinks everything. the other supplements i stated above would protect against it all or atleast make it a smaller hit of damage.

i was going to do cardio everyday after i workout mainly bike/run nothing too crazy. then random days i will be running 2 miles to train for 13Min 1.5 mile test.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

just the side effects of tren is crazy compared to other stuff lol

yeah i build a solid plan to get back into it all.

i have a solid workout plan below after this, just not sure how it would workout.

of course we must keep moving forward tbh.
bro tren make the man though. you only live once i think
 
Hard to tell since you're talking to us every 2 weeks. @DylanW23
I work full time 10pm-6am, then I’m a full time student in college which I go to classes most days through the week then on the weekends I play catch up on stuff I’m behind life wise.
It's not clear why you are doing lower reps on this. I think you can stay at these reps and do more volume.
My understanding of lifting for years now is hypertrophy is 8-12 rep range and seen multiple studies that it doesn’t matter your overall rep range as long as you’re going to failure. If you do 10 reps and get 0 failure then you’re not lifting enough weight.
that is a good bloodwork layout
I got 12/16 test results back which is posted under this. Just waiting on my testo results and 3 others.
bro tren make the man though. you only live once i think
Maybe lol, I’ll think about it down the road. I have looked into masterdone but not this cycle
 
I work full time 10pm-6am, then I’m a full time student in college which I go to classes most days through the week then on the weekends I play catch up on stuff I’m behind life wise.
That's fine, please find 10min/week to post updates. @DylanW23
My understanding of lifting for years now is hypertrophy is 8-12 rep range and seen multiple studies that it doesn’t matter your overall rep range as long as you’re going to failure. If you do 10 reps and get 0 failure then you’re not lifting enough weight.
Your understanding is incorrect, you need to get to 15-20 reps to grow.
Here are the 12/16 test results, will post others when I get them
Am I missing it or is there no e2 or test there?
 
I work full time 10pm-6am, then I’m a full time student in college which I go to classes most days through the week then on the weekends I play catch up on stuff I’m behind life wise.

My understanding of lifting for years now is hypertrophy is 8-12 rep range and seen multiple studies that it doesn’t matter your overall rep range as long as you’re going to failure. If you do 10 reps and get 0 failure then you’re not lifting enough weight.

I got 12/16 test results back which is posted under this. Just waiting on my testo results and 3 others.

Maybe lol, I’ll think about it down the road. I have looked into masterdone but not this cycle
bro i think we live 5x only.
 
I was waiting for results still and I’m still waiting on “ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS”

But I got my testo, shbd, vitamin D results
Your vitamin D is very low, why? @DylanW23 arent you supplementing with multis and D daily?
 
I was waiting for results still and I’m still waiting on “ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS”

But I got my testo, shbd, vitamin D results
do you live in a high latitude? viamin D is the sunshine vitamin. i would recommend infrared sauna, a lot of places have them these days @DylanW23
 
I was waiting for results still and I’m still waiting on “ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS”

But I got my testo, shbd, vitamin D results
bro come to texas. come work the ranch with me during summer. @DylanW23 i pay you $2 an hour but you get plenty of vitamin D sweeping ranch
 
I was waiting for results still and I’m still waiting on “ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS”

But I got my testo, shbd, vitamin D results
vitamin D is off. but other then that looking good. its an easy fix regardless. maybe try some IV vitamins? @DylanW23
 
I was waiting for results still and I’m still waiting on “ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS”

But I got my testo, shbd, vitamin D results
@DylanW23 bros good job posting these bloods. now you have a reference when you test again down the line. its good to test atleast 2-3x a year
 
Your vitamin D is very low, why? @DylanW23 arent you supplementing with multis and D daily?
So I never took vitamin D pills before as I didn’t think it was needed. I got them for the cycle to balance stuff out. However after seeing the test results I have began to take a specific supplement to help it rise.
This. Diet needs a look
It’s not the diet as the test results I been posting is before I started anything that I’m trying to do now. It was designed to be a based on where I stand completely before doing anything fitness related again.
do you live in a high latitude? viamin D is the sunshine vitamin. i would recommend infrared sauna, a lot of places have them these days @DylanW23
Nah I’m in PA lol. I work inside all the time so that’s why mainly.
bro come to texas. come work the ranch with me during summer. @DylanW23 i pay you $2 an hour but you get plenty of vitamin D sweeping ranch
Texas is brutal I have a lot of family there and they complain about how it is lol.
vitamin D is an easy fix. get more sun. you can also supplement @DylanW23
Im on a vitamin D3 supplement to fix it now
vitamin D is off. but other then that looking good. its an easy fix regardless. maybe try some IV vitamins? @DylanW23
Look above at other quoted messages for this answer.
overall what do you think? @DylanW23 has any of these numbers changed? anything that concerns you?
I feel happy knowing where I 100% stand health wise in my life as well as before I started to get back into lifting/gear use and all without taking any supplements. There are areas I need to fix but it’s really not bad overall. I just don’t want to “change” a lot of things without trying to track down a specific. I did get my E2 test back which is below and I’m not sure how to feel we I know since it’s high now, on test e it will raise it a lot more.
@DylanW23 bros good job posting these bloods. now you have a reference when you test again down the line. its good to test atleast 2-3x a year
I have my final test results attached. It sucks that I had to pay out of pocket for this all as my DR wouldn’t cover/request it. But my plan is to get a test done midway through the cycle, before PCT and after PCT to see how my body is reacting constantly to everything.
 

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So I never took vitamin D pills before as I didn’t think it was needed. I got them for the cycle to balance stuff out. However after seeing the test results I have began to take a specific supplement to help it rise.
start taking 10000 IUs per day asap
 
So I never took vitamin D pills before as I didn’t think it was needed. I got them for the cycle to balance stuff out. However after seeing the test results I have began to take a specific supplement to help it rise.

It’s not the diet as the test results I been posting is before I started anything that I’m trying to do now. It was designed to be a based on where I stand completely before doing anything fitness related again.

Nah I’m in PA lol. I work inside all the time so that’s why mainly.

Texas is brutal I have a lot of family there and they complain about how it is lol.

Im on a vitamin D3 supplement to fix it now

Look above at other quoted messages for this answer.

I feel happy knowing where I 100% stand health wise in my life as well as before I started to get back into lifting/gear use and all without taking any supplements. There are areas I need to fix but it’s really not bad overall. I just don’t want to “change” a lot of things without trying to track down a specific. I did get my E2 test back which is below and I’m not sure how to feel we I know since it’s high now, on test e it will raise it a lot more.

I have my final test results attached. It sucks that I had to pay out of pocket for this all as my DR wouldn’t cover/request it. But my plan is to get a test done midway through the cycle, before PCT and after PCT to see how my body is reacting constantly to everything.
bros good explanations
 
start taking 10000 IUs per day asap
After seeing the results I have began taking 1600IU of D3, with 600mg calcium, 50mg magnesium, 7.5mg zinc, 1mg copper and 1.8mg manganese supplement which is called “Caltrate Bone health advanced mini’s” I’ll retest my D3 in 1 month. My big worry tho is my e2 is already slightly high and when I get into the cycle soon it will raise alot more.
bros good explanations
lol, I work for the largest pharmaceutical company in the US and UK as a manager so I have to give in-depth reports multiple times a day.
 
After seeing the results I have began taking 1600IU of D3, with 600mg calcium, 50mg magnesium, 7.5mg zinc, 1mg copper and 1.8mg manganese supplement which is called “Caltrate Bone health advanced mini’s” I’ll retest my D3 in 1 month. My big worry tho is my e2 is already slightly high and when I get into the cycle soon it will raise alot more.
How about your diet? training? @DylanW23
and with a cycle we can easily control it with an AI
 
How about your diet? training? @DylanW23
and with a cycle we can easily control it with an AI
The diet I been eating/doing great with it.
Training wise I’m starting Monday as I worked 14’s all week this week so it’s been rough to even sleep alone 😅.

I wonder why it’s slightly higher already tbh. But the world may never know lol
 
The diet I been eating/doing great with it.
Training wise I’m starting Monday as I worked 14’s all week this week so it’s been rough to even sleep alone 😅.

I wonder why it’s slightly higher already tbh. But the world may never know lol
Would be nice to see more of your diet training, can you start sharing more? :D
 
After seeing the results I have began taking 1600IU of D3, with 600mg calcium, 50mg magnesium, 7.5mg zinc, 1mg copper and 1.8mg manganese supplement which is called “Caltrate Bone health advanced mini’s” I’ll retest my D3 in 1 month. My big worry tho is my e2 is already slightly high and when I get into the cycle soon it will raise alot more.

lol, I work for the largest pharmaceutical company in the US and UK as a manager so I have to give in-depth reports multiple times a day.
bros dayum you must make good $$$
 
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