Approved Log My Pre-cycle Training Log

[lootoo]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo Merry Christmas
Great start.
Please add photos of you with your face blurred out, we need it to understand your base, and approve your log.

 

[lootoo]

very average body now. Fatter than I want to be after taking in to many carbs in the last few months.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

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very average body now. Fatter than I want to be after taking in to many carbs in the last few months.

You have a very strong base.
Lean, good abs, shoulders pop.

 

[lootoo]

You have a very strong base.
Lean, good abs, shoulders pop.

Thanks Eddie, still feel like a skinny pussy. Hoping I will change that.
Will post bloods when I get them.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks Eddie, still feel like a skinny pussy. Hoping I will change that.
Will post bloods when I get them.

You’re not skinny by far, you have a clean muscle base to build on top. All of us in the big EVO family start somewhere.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Nice work starting your log brother and looking foward to following your journey.

Dont be hard on yourself brother you have a good base to start with. Stay committed, show up for the grind everyday and really chase the physique you want.

You can reward yourself better then anyone can. So dont hold back give it heaps and remember what you put in is what you get back.

Stay gold brother

 

[lootoo]

Feeling more motivated already brothers! Thanks for the support. Looking forward to when I can start.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

welcome fully to the EVO family @lootoo thank you for sharing, you have strong base and a clean build!

Before we go on and talk cycles and TRT, lets do 2 weeks of tracking food and training? please start after Xmas
Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

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very average body now. Fatter than I want to be after taking in to many carbs in the last few months.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Dreamer]

View attachment 159644
very average body now. Fatter than I want to be after taking in to many carbs in the last few months.

Good base, you will grow like a weed with some solid food and training

 

[stevesmi]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo I honestly think you're making things way too complicated, man. There's no end-all on this. If you do choose a particular option and you decide to change your mind, you can always move on to the next one. In the end, you can always do self-TRT

 

[2Thick]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

I'm not sure man. On the blood work, the bottom line is you really should get it done. It's good to have that as a baseline, and it's really good to get it done pre and post cycle @lootoo

 

[Ulter]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

Why don't you start with the cheapest option first or the easiest option first? If that falls through, then you can move on to the second option and so on. @lootoo I think that would make more sense than stressing yourself out and trying to figure out which one would work for you specifically.

 

[Pigsy]

Kiss method is always best.

 

[Mobster]

A log WILL help you with consistency

 

[ceo]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo Bros, the cardio looking really strong, and so are the weights. Once you get the blood work done, definitely post them, and we can help you analyze. underground lab As long as it's legit, it's going to be good stuff. That's why you got to check sources on here and check the brands.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

Thank you for the holiday wishes.

At the end of the day, I would pick something and go with it and try it out. You can always change things as you go. I think the mistake that too many people make is they want to plan things too much. In the end, you've got to be flexible.
@lootoo

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

Welcome to EVO @lootoo!

You've got a great looking base that is primed for take off.

Let's go slow and ease the stress about the "route" until we can get your baseline bloodwork and have a few weeks on log upates with diet/training and get your supplements all dialed in.

If you look at this as a marathon and not a sprint we can then help you with the correction Option for your Route. I will say that Option A would be the last thing I'd do because EVO is a much better place to be vs. at the mercy and hands of a clinic or docs (who often don't know their head from their ass).

 

[ballin2504]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo welcome aboard Evo. We are glad to have you here. Very nice. Start to the log.

 

[waggat]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

Hey mate, welcome to Evo!

Definitely wait to see your natural levels before picking an option.

Does your home gym allow you to properly train? I think it would be worth making a gym membership a priority unless you have a decent home gym.

View attachment 159644
very average body now. Fatter than I want to be after taking in to many carbs in the last few months.

You look pretty good, particularly for 41. Definitely better than average.

 

[RoySimpson]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo Awesome log will be following along!

 

[lootoo]

Hey guys, I can see why I am going to like being a part of this community - already getting some encouragement and advice. Much appreciated. Hope I can do the same.

Definitely wait to see your natural levels before picking an option.

As I have just come off a higher carb diet, I think I should give it another couple of weeks at least to let my body adapt, and a chance to hit the gym harder, in order to provide a more accurate state of bloodwork to base any cycle/trt on - as my state in a couple of weeks will be a truer reflection of my state going forward.

(Also I have just been told family is coming to visit in Mid-Jan and I might have to travel for a week or two for work in Jan, which could throw a spanner in the works).

So given those 3 points above, I am going to get bloodwork ordered on my next pay day - late Jan, and go from there, sus it out - post it here and go from there.

Does your home gym allow you to properly train? I think it would be worth making a gym membership a priority unless you have a decent home gym.

Thanks for asking Waggat - I was going to do the same.

My setup
Right now, I have a good squat rack with safety catches which can be used for bar bell rows and elevated deadlifts (my flexibility sucks now)
Barbell, dumbells and weights. This is enough to do most major moves - squats deads, rows, many with dumbells. Which is what's great about weightlifting -you don't have to be rich to get the most important lifts 80%. (I also have a high resistance upright exercise bike)

Next in line to buy is a weight bench - incline or decline. with leg extension or not? not sure how to go on this yet - and it mainly ties into working hamstrings - which is what I wanted to ask you guys about.

Hamstrings at home
Hamstrings are a big muscle - and a supporting one to, so should be prioritised.

But I have not found a way to really work them and get a pump that you know you make big gains with on anything besides the especially designed lying hamstring curl (maybe the seated one a bit), these are not cheap, hard to find, transport and store- impractical. And in truth - using a ham curl is the only reason I can find to go to the gym now. My job gets stressful, so anything extraneous I can remove helps - just get straight to business in familiar surroundings every morning/afternnon on my home gym - no travelling -reliable, routine, disciplined, on time, bank on it every time, no excuses.

I have tried the basic leg curl extension on standard weight benches, but they don't work - the resistance curve is out - good at the bottom but no resistance at the top due to gravity and this is where you need it.

I have not found a substitute for the lying leg curl yet. Has anyone here found one? - One that you can build solid muscle on?
Alternate suggestions I have seen: nordics, bands and cables, but they are not nearly as effective as the lying leg curl I've read.

I figure if there is some way to attach a large amount of weight to your heel then raise your heel to your arse standing, or resting slight bent over, it might work.

Triceps at home
Another hard muscle to work at home might be Triceps:
lat pulley apparently the best for them - maybe at home a substitute could be bands tied to barbell on the squat rack or cage?
Overhead triceps extensions - going from down to up (reverse motion) looks a bit dicier.

Others I can think of:
Calves - need seated press, or a lot of weight on a barbell.

Before we go on and talk cycles and TRT, lets do 2 weeks of tracking food and training? please start after Xmas
Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

Training
yes - will definitely start training moreso.
Just consistency will be the goal for now, and look to build on it - that is when goals become easier I think - when you're entrenched.
For now will mainly be squats, rows, a few dumbell exercises and high resistance cycling (i use the bike more when I have been slack or busy, as I find that just getting the heart rate up and pumping can be more important sometimes).

Diet and supps:
Probably the most important thing, and i think I nail probably all vitamins and minerals from eating mainly meat (fish chicken too), offal and eggs. Will eat some lettuce, brocolli, mixed salad (beetroot, tomatoes, olives), sweet potato, which covers vitamin c, fiber. Salt too occasionally some cheese for calcium. So I don't go heavy on supps - try to get it through whole foods.
This won't be hard for me, I know how important it is.
I am pretty good at not overeating, i might eat just one big meal a day sometimes and fast occasionally just to kick that randonmess in. Of course I will eat more as I will be training more when I am on.

There's no end-all on this. If you do choose a particular option and you decide to change your mind, you can always move on to the next one. In the end, you can always do self-TRT

Got it.
when doing cycles - coming off, there will be ups and downs, so I figure that if trt is good, why not just blast and cruise from the outset, run a bit of hcg to keep the family jewels ready. If I keep doing cycles will probably need trt anyway.
Figure at least one cycle before doing trt won't hurt.
I am probably a bit paranoid on this and making it out to be a bigger deal than it needs to

Why don't you start with the cheapest option first or the easiest option first? If that falls through, then you can move on to the second option and so on. I think that would make more sense than stressing yourself out and trying to figure out which one would work for you specifically.

Totally Ulter, makes perfect sense. I could have some wild reaction from just the lowest dose first, so that is the way I am leaning - just do a 100-200mg test run first up. Less risk involved, get a feel for it, and get out without having overly committed if I need to.

By the way how does the ugl gear/test compare to pharma?

From here
Will follow my diet and train more in preparation for a cycle for perhaps around early feb, get bloods done late Jan. Post the bloods here along with training and diet notes.

Appreciate all your time guys.

 

[waggat]

Hey guys, I can see why I am going to like being a part of this community - already getting some encouragement and advice. Much appreciated. Hope I can do the same.

As I have just come off a higher carb diet, I think I should give it another couple of weeks at least to let my body adapt, and a chance to hit the gym harder, in order to provide a more accurate state of bloodwork to base any cycle/trt on - as my state in a couple of weeks will be a truer reflection of my state going forward.

(Also I have just been told family is coming to visit in Mid-Jan and I might have to travel for a week or two for work in Jan, which could throw a spanner in the works).

So given those 3 points above, I am going to get bloodwork ordered on my next pay day - late Jan, and go from there, sus it out - post it here and go from there.

Thanks for asking Waggat - I was going to do the same.

My setup
Right now, I have a good squat rack with safety catches which can be used for bar bell rows and elevated deadlifts (my flexibility sucks now)
Barbell, dumbells and weights. This is enough to do most major moves - squats deads, rows, many with dumbells. Which is what's great about weightlifting -you don't have to be rich to get the most important lifts 80%. (I also have a high resistance upright exercise bike)

Next in line to buy is a weight bench - incline or decline. with leg extension or not? not sure how to go on this yet - and it mainly ties into working hamstrings - which is what I wanted to ask you guys about.

Hamstrings at home
Hamstrings are a big muscle - and a supporting one to, so should be prioritised.

But I have not found a way to really work them and get a pump that you know you make big gains with on anything besides the especially designed lying hamstring curl (maybe the seated one a bit), these are not cheap, hard to find, transport and store- impractical. And in truth - using a ham curl is the only reason I can find to go to the gym now. My job gets stressful, so anything extraneous I can remove helps - just get straight to business in familiar surroundings every morning/afternnon on my home gym - no travelling -reliable, routine, disciplined, on time, bank on it every time, no excuses.

I have tried the basic leg curl extension on standard weight benches, but they don't work - the resistance curve is out - good at the bottom but no resistance at the top due to gravity and this is where you need it.

I have not found a substitute for the lying leg curl yet. Has anyone here found one? - One that you can build solid muscle on?
Alternate suggestions I have seen: nordics, bands and cables, but they are not nearly as effective as the lying leg curl I've read.

I figure if there is some way to attach a large amount of weight to your heel then raise your heel to your arse standing, or resting slight bent over, it might work.

Triceps at home
Another hard muscle to work at home might be Triceps:
lat pulley apparently the best for them - maybe at home a substitute could be bands tied to barbell on the squat rack or cage?
Overhead triceps extensions - going from down to up (reverse motion) looks a bit dicier.

Others I can think of:
Calves - need seated press, or a lot of weight on a barbell.


Training
yes - will definitely start training moreso.
Just consistency will be the goal for now, and look to build on it - that is when goals become easier I think - when you're entrenched.
For now will mainly be squats, rows, a few dumbell exercises and high resistance cycling (i use the bike more when I have been slack or busy, as I find that just getting the heart rate up and pumping can be more important sometimes).

Diet and supps:
Probably the most important thing, and i think I nail probably all vitamins and minerals from eating mainly meat (fish chicken too), offal and eggs. Will eat some lettuce, brocolli, mixed salad (beetroot, tomatoes, olives), sweet potato, which covers vitamin c, fiber. Salt too occasionally some cheese for calcium. So I don't go heavy on supps - try to get it through whole foods.
This won't be hard for me, I know how important it is.
I am pretty good at not overeating, i might eat just one big meal a day sometimes and fast occasionally just to kick that randonmess in. Of course I will eat more as I will be training more when I am on.

Got it.
when doing cycles - coming off, there will be ups and downs, so I figure that if trt is good, why not just blast and cruise from the outset, run a bit of hcg to keep the family jewels ready. If I keep doing cycles will probably need trt anyway.
Figure at least one cycle before doing trt won't hurt.
I am probably a bit paranoid on this and making it out to be a bigger deal than it needs to

Totally Ulter, makes perfect sense. I could have some wild reaction from just the lowest dose first, so that is the way I am leaning - just do a 100-200mg test run first up. Less risk involved, get a feel for it, and get out without having overly committed if I need to.

By the way how does the ugl gear/test compare to pharma?

From here
Will follow my diet and train more in preparation for a cycle for perhaps around early feb, get bloods done late Jan. Post the bloods here along with training and diet notes.

Appreciate all your time guys.

If you've got a squat rack, barbell and weights and dumbbells, that's good. Biggest thing will then be a bench. Without a bench you are limited to shoulders press and floor press.

After a bench then it would probably be a pulley setup that is either low and high or adjustable.

Re hamstrings, I can't comment on the options for leg curl machines. For now you can just do stiff legged deadlifts. Also single leg stuff with a bigger stride and pushing through your heel isn't bad.

Triceps you can do floor press and then various extensions with either the barbell or dumbbells.

Calves you can do single leg standing calf on a step holding weight.

 

[Bigdan85]

You will kill it brother these guys are awesome will certainly getting u going

 

[stevesmi]

Got it.
when doing cycles - coming off, there will be ups and downs, so I figure that if trt is good, why not just blast and cruise from the outset, run a bit of hcg to keep the family jewels ready. If I keep doing cycles will probably need trt anyway.
Figure at least one cycle before doing trt won't hurt.
I am probably a bit paranoid on this and making it out to be a bigger deal than it needs to

The downside is your organs are going to take a beating
And of course your wallet is as well, but other than that, there isn’t much downside if you don’t care about either of the two

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Hi guys,

Great to be here and many thanks to Lev for insisting I start a log here.

I have been training on and off for many years, but like many have had issues with consistency - diet, goal planning, practicalities research, etc.
I live in Melbourne Aus. I have muscle wastage on one quad from an accident when I was a kid - I cannot build it back without a boost.

Stats
male
41
6'4
210 pounds.

Prior Cycles
I am not running anything now, and never have.

Diet
context
Have just got off higher-carb diet which was making me fat.
Now back onto high protein and medium fat with a little fiber.
I want to dial this in moreso with training before I start any cycle etc. So I am producing an anabolic state and getting close to maxing out in terms of being active with workouts consistently and lowering body fat as much as possible, so adding something gets me to where I cannot get to myself and adds a noticeable difference.

Basically eating mainly meat - chicken, beef, goat, some organs, eggs. With a small amount of carbs, around 100g a day.

Supps
Omega 3
D3 and K2
Magnesium,
Creatine.

Training
I don't get a lot of exercise through work, so need to be active when I am not working.
Cardio:
Mainly cycling on high resistance bike as to keep quad strength, with maybe some skipping here and there and just walking.
Weights:
I just break it up between squats, arms, shoulders, abs etc. No gym membership. Might need one for working hamstrings.
Also need ot work on ankle mobility a lot so I can get down to deadlift from the floor.
4-5 days per week, aim for 1 hour or thereabouts each session.
Once I am on something, I will be far more rigorous and increase intensity as I can to make the most of any cycle.

Blood work:
Not done yet. Will do through roidsafe, (waiting on them to respond to questions), so should be done in a couple of weeks, depending on their holiday hours.
Do you guys think it is worth getting a doc for bloods? worth the money? I guess there is probably enough data around to do it yourself.

Route
Option A:
Go through primal zone if they let me and are worth it for TRT. I cannot see much about them here, and am not sure on them.
Find a way to blast a bit to build strength if I cannot get doses high enough through them.
Pros: pharma gear, legal.
Cons: more expensive.

Option B1:
Do a cycle through UGL, just test only to begin with. See how I respond. I had acne in my teens, not really bad, but can still get it a bit, so I will start off on the lowest dose thereabouts, think that is the right move. (If I show up to work with bad acne all a sudden might raise an eyebrow)

Option B2:
Self-administer TRT through UGL. blast a cycle or two.

Honestly, not sure on the best route, once I have done bloods, I will look into it further.

Thanks for any input anyone can provide.

Will update once bloods are done.

Merry Xmas to all !

@lootoo good start to log.....

 

[LevButlerov]

Training
yes - will definitely start training moreso.
Just consistency will be the goal for now, and look to build on it - that is when goals become easier I think - when you're entrenched.
For now will mainly be squats, rows, a few dumbell exercises and high resistance cycling (i use the bike more when I have been slack or busy, as I find that just getting the heart rate up and pumping can be more important sometimes).

Diet and supps:
Probably the most important thing, and i think I nail probably all vitamins and minerals from eating mainly meat (fish chicken too), offal and eggs. Will eat some lettuce, brocolli, mixed salad (beetroot, tomatoes, olives), sweet potato, which covers vitamin c, fiber. Salt too occasionally some cheese for calcium. So I don't go heavy on supps - try to get it through whole foods.
This won't be hard for me, I know how important it is.
I am pretty good at not overeating, i might eat just one big meal a day sometimes and fast occasionally just to kick that randonmess in. Of course I will eat more as I will be training more when I am on.

Sure please start getting training info in even squats or cycling share it out @lootoo

diet we need to start keeping actual track, can you use an app?

 

[Ulter]

Totally Ulter, makes perfect sense. I could have some wild reaction from just the lowest dose first, so that is the way I am leaning - just do a 100-200mg test run first up. Less risk involved, get a feel for it, and get out without having overly committed if I need to.

By the way how does the ugl gear/test compare to pharma?

You're making this way too complicated and worrying too much. It's not going to kill you to do 100mg of testosterone a week. And as long as the source is quality, it can be just as good as pharmacy-grade.

 

[lootoo]

Hey guys,

Apologies for posting in the wrong thread last week guys (and to the people who kindly commented).
Too lazy not checking thread titles (future note to self).
I will copy the post that was meant to go here, along with any applicable comments by others from that thread:
Also thanks for your patience, work is reasonably stressful.

My post from last week which should have gone in this thread: (bloodwork)
-----------------
Been a few weeks, but managed to get bloods done (see images and summary below).
I started cutting back on the red meat a bit to try and keep the cholesterol down, which looks to have worked, so I am not at cardiovascular risk now.

LH: - - 5.0 (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH: - - 4.1 (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol: - - 111 (< 146)pmol/L
Testosterone: - - 20.1 (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG: - - 56 (14-95)nmol/L
Prolactin:- - 123 (45-375)mIU/L
Bioav. Testo.: - - 7.1 (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI: - - 35.9 (14.5-80.3)

I have been dieting well basically meat and vegetables - no crap, more than enough protein, then enough carbs and veggies.
Training - consistent - squats around 5 days a week, deadlifts, arms shoulders a bit, I have not been logging on paper, but it is kind of the way I need to do it now with work etc to keep myself motivated - it needs to be a bit of fun as work is not! I intend to pick up the frequency and intensity going into my first cycle, then if what I have read is anything to go by, once the t kicks in, should increase motivation = reinforce lifting, and logging as I am more into it.

I was refused for TRT, but was told that "should I submit an abnormal test' I might be able to get it. So I figure it should be possible to do a cycle of test only, then when coming off get tested when levels go low again.
I saw one guy come out when I was going in for blood work, maybe mid 20's clearly on gear!
My next question was going to be to ask for tips on submitting blood work when coming of first cycle for increasing chances of getting approved for trt.

------------------
BeMe said:

"Your bloodwork looks like a healthy young man. Why would you need TRT bro?"

My response:
Great point - yes I look normal, fairly healthy, so no, I don't need it.
Is it worth it and will I better of on it - that is the question imo - Risk vs Reward.
from my point of view and the research I have seen:

pros:
- t levels naturally decline as nature wants you to be a dad. I am 42 -Mine has clearly declined. I think this is the biggest flag as it makes sense from an "overall" and nature point of view, nothing wrong about it declining, but it if can brought back up for far better pros vs potential cons, why not?
- overall optimisation of state of well being, cognition, motivation, health (details could go on and on) better lifts, engagement etc..

cons
- trt is a potential conspiracy for pharma to sell you gear - get you hooked and make money of you (leaning toward false here)
- even with responsible dosing and monitoring you screw up your hormones, can't have kids etc, other health issues.
- not enough of us have been on trt for 100+years, so don't know the really long term effects.
- cost, time spent injecting, monitoring etc. dependency and not being able to get / inject due to surprises.

other:
- I have muscle wastage around a femur bone from a accident when I was 9. (biggest bone in the body - quads) and it did not fully heal to one piece. so less protection around a huge bone which is not in on piece = Fragile. Tried as I might, I cannot build it back without gear. This is why and what gear was made for.

summary:
I just have to weigh pros vs cons, and there is a heavy lean to getting on imo, or, at the very least, giving it a try and getting off with minimal damage if for whatever reason does not work. which is why I think doing a cycle first will help.

------------------

Another post from BeMe in my actual "first cycle" thread:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251
which I have not started yet (I will post in this thread when I start a cycle):

"Welcome bro.

Best advice is dial everything in BEFORE you start a cycle. On cycle is not the time to be inconsistent. Best case you're losing gains and wasting gear, worst case you're getting tons of side effects and it will be hard to determine why when you're not consistent with diet and training.

You're still young and have plenty of time to cycle ahead. Focus on nailing your training and diet down then hop on.

Best thing for you now is to START A LOG. All the EVO fam can jump in and help you figure things out and get you ready. Then when you do cycle we'll have all the info from your training log and be able to give you better advice based on your goals."

My response:
Thanks BeMe, great post. That is the aim. once I get this work trip done (I have to travel interstate for a couple of days to a week) I will look to start my first cycle this trip has been pushed out another week again, so I hope it is done this week or next.

------------------
R.A.P said:
(this post, I think was likely meant for the original poster in the thread -"KingSh1t" and his stats/status etc.- in his thread: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251 )

"You are still in your infancy when it comes to progression in the gym brother and could ride this out for a long time before needing to look at enhancements.

You'll get just as much, if not more out of dialing in your nutrition and training properly than you will gear. Without them, the foundations, the gear means nothing.

Learn how to eat and train properly with guidance (have a look at a coach - money will be well better spent than on gear), and when you're ready, simple is better. Low dose test to begin with, tapering only as progression stalls and monitoring for tolerable dose.

@LevButlerov
@HarleyGuy
@Allupfromhere"
------------------

​

 

[lootoo]

You're making this way too complicated and worrying too much. It's not going to kill you to do 100mg of testosterone a week. And as long as the source is quality, it can be just as good as pharmacy-grade.

Yes, I think you are right - me having never done a cycle, probably a little anxious, nervous etc, worrying. I am sure once I do a sensible first cycle I will see that I am fine.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey guys,

Apologies for posting in the wrong thread last week guys (and to the people who kindly commented).
Too lazy not checking thread titles (future note to self).
I will copy the post that was meant to go here, along with any applicable comments by others from that thread:
Also thanks for your patience, work is reasonably stressful.

My post from last week which should have gone in this thread: (bloodwork)
-----------------
Been a few weeks, but managed to get bloods done (see images and summary below).
I started cutting back on the red meat a bit to try and keep the cholesterol down, which looks to have worked, so I am not at cardiovascular risk now.

LH: - - 5.0 (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH: - - 4.1 (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol: - - 111 (< 146)pmol/L
Testosterone: - - 20.1 (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG: - - 56 (14-95)nmol/L
Prolactin:- - 123 (45-375)mIU/L
Bioav. Testo.: - - 7.1 (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI: - - 35.9 (14.5-80.3)

I have been dieting well basically meat and vegetables - no crap, more than enough protein, then enough carbs and veggies.
Training - consistent - squats around 5 days a week, deadlifts, arms shoulders a bit, I have not been logging on paper, but it is kind of the way I need to do it now with work etc to keep myself motivated - it needs to be a bit of fun as work is not! I intend to pick up the frequency and intensity going into my first cycle, then if what I have read is anything to go by, once the t kicks in, should increase motivation = reinforce lifting, and logging as I am more into it.

I was refused for TRT, but was told that "should I submit an abnormal test' I might be able to get it. So I figure it should be possible to do a cycle of test only, then when coming off get tested when levels go low again.
I saw one guy come out when I was going in for blood work, maybe mid 20's clearly on gear!
My next question was going to be to ask for tips on submitting blood work when coming of first cycle for increasing chances of getting approved for trt.

------------------
BeMe said:

"Your bloodwork looks like a healthy young man. Why would you need TRT bro?"

My response:
Great point - yes I look normal, fairly healthy, so no, I don't need it.
Is it worth it and will I better of on it - that is the question imo - Risk vs Reward.
from my point of view and the research I have seen:

pros:
- t levels naturally decline as nature wants you to be a dad. I am 42 -Mine has clearly declined. I think this is the biggest flag as it makes sense from an "overall" and nature point of view, nothing wrong about it declining, but it if can brought back up for far better pros vs potential cons, why not?
- overall optimisation of state of well being, cognition, motivation, health (details could go on and on) better lifts, engagement etc..

cons
- trt is a potential conspiracy for pharma to sell you gear - get you hooked and make money of you (leaning toward false here)
- even with responsible dosing and monitoring you screw up your hormones, can't have kids etc, other health issues.
- not enough of us have been on trt for 100+years, so don't know the really long term effects.
- cost, time spent injecting, monitoring etc. dependency and not being able to get / inject due to surprises.

other:
- I have muscle wastage around a femur bone from a accident when I was 9. (biggest bone in the body - quads) and it did not fully heal to one piece. so less protection around a huge bone which is not in on piece = Fragile. Tried as I might, I cannot build it back without gear. This is why and what gear was made for.

summary:
I just have to weigh pros vs cons, and there is a heavy lean to getting on imo, or, at the very least, giving it a try and getting off with minimal damage if for whatever reason does not work. which is why I think doing a cycle first will help.

------------------

Another post from BeMe in my actual "first cycle" thread:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251
which I have not started yet (I will post in this thread when I start a cycle):

"Welcome bro.

Best advice is dial everything in BEFORE you start a cycle. On cycle is not the time to be inconsistent. Best case you're losing gains and wasting gear, worst case you're getting tons of side effects and it will be hard to determine why when you're not consistent with diet and training.

You're still young and have plenty of time to cycle ahead. Focus on nailing your training and diet down then hop on.

Best thing for you now is to START A LOG. All the EVO fam can jump in and help you figure things out and get you ready. Then when you do cycle we'll have all the info from your training log and be able to give you better advice based on your goals."

My response:
Thanks BeMe, great post. That is the aim. once I get this work trip done (I have to travel interstate for a couple of days to a week) I will look to start my first cycle this trip has been pushed out another week again, so I hope it is done this week or next.

------------------
R.A.P said:
(this post, I think was likely meant for the original poster in the thread -"KingSh1t" and his stats/status etc.- in his thread: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251 )

"You are still in your infancy when it comes to progression in the gym brother and could ride this out for a long time before needing to look at enhancements.

You'll get just as much, if not more out of dialing in your nutrition and training properly than you will gear. Without them, the foundations, the gear means nothing.

Learn how to eat and train properly with guidance (have a look at a coach - money will be well better spent than on gear), and when you're ready, simple is better. Low dose test to begin with, tapering only as progression stalls and monitoring for tolerable dose.

@LevButlerov
@HarleyGuy
@Allupfromhere"
------------------

​

Bloods are about as good as it gets bro. I feel like you're still in a position to take advantage of your natural levels and just hit the gym hard with what you have on board naturally, especially being pretty new to it all. @R.AP was pretty bang on in what he said.

LH: - - 5.0 (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH: - - 4.1 (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol: - - 111 (< 146)pmol/L
Testosterone: - - 20.1 (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG: - - 56 (14-95)nmol/L
Prolactin:- - 123 (45-375)mIU/L
Bioav. Testo.: - - 7.1 (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI: - - 35.9 (14.5-80.3)

I just have to weigh pros vs cons, and there is a heavy lean to getting on imo, or, at the very least, giving it a try and getting off with minimal damage if for whatever reason does not work. which is why I think doing a cycle first will help.

It will work but might also work against you too. Can you elaborate on this?

This is why and what gear was made for.

True but best to get your injury in best shape naturally before you pound gear and increase strength past a point around your femur that will then set you back further with an injury. Just food for thought.

We'll support you either way in as safe a manner as possible and I wouldn't worry about getting an Rx for TRT+ when approved sources here are so affordable and reliable in terms of dosing.

 

[lootoo]

Bloods are about as good as it gets bro. I feel like you're still in a position to take advantage of your natural levels and just hit the gym hard with what you have on board naturally, especially being pretty new to it all.

I can probably still push it a little more. But I really feel that a boost will help me, much about the "want' to lift vs making myself do it, that is a huge converter and it has been ages since it was like that. Same with my injury, even in my 20's building it back was never going to happen. Anyone that has had serious muscle loss will know what I mean. Losing muscle when your leg/arm etc. is static for ages vs building it, is like going down a slide vs climbing a hill. It is not proportional: /linear loss/vs regain.

We'll support you either way in as safe a manner as possible and I wouldn't worry about getting an Rx for TRT+ when approved sources here are so affordable and reliable in terms of dosing.

Thanks Harley. My next move is then a first cycle, which I will start in the next few weeks. I am paid in a few days so can start planning seriously.
First cycle will be test only - which type of test, amount, frequency of injections, pct gear, maybe hcg (kids still not ruled out). I am going to start researching that now.

 

[lootoo]

So for my first cycle I think it will be best to do:

Test Cyp 150-200 10-12 weeks,
Inject daily and Nolvadex for Pct.
Inject daily 150-200 to start with over the first 4 weeks, increase the dosage as time goes if I react ok.
Order another batch of 6 or so bloodtests, get tested mid and after as well.

Pretty simple.

Just need to wait for Cyp to be back in at UGL Oz.
Hopefully, I can start in the next few weeks.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Hey brother ive just caught up to everything here. Was just trying to navigate the comments from the miss post in the other log and this one haha, all good now though.

So bloods are rock solid, you base is great.
I cant see any training or nutrition though?

My next question is this for your though brother and that will lead me to what opinion i have to give moving foward.

Are you planning a cycle or are you making a decision to move onto permanent trt?

 

[lootoo]

I cant see any training or nutrition though?

My next question is this for your though brother and that will lead me to what opinion i have to give moving foward.

Are you planning a cycle or are you making a decision to move onto permanent trt?

Diet and nutrition is pretty good.
Diet:
Mainly meat and vegetables. so easily enough protein, then veggies and carbs after that - carbs from sweet potato, oats mainly.
I just eat when I am hungry, I don't calorie count etc.. just go of how I feel.

Training:
3-5 times a week,
Squats mainly, deadlifts, rows, smaller dumbell exercises. Usually 45minutes to 1.5 hours in each session. I am not to pedantic on tracking everything - logging just yet, but will when I am on the first cycle. Once I have the gear ordered, and a date to start, I will up training before hand so I am close to plateauing out before the cycle starts.

I am doing a cycle now, then will hopefully move onto permanent TRT afterwards.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I am doing a cycle now, then will hopefully move onto permanent TRT afterwards.

@Allupfromhere is correct this needs to be planned out bro. "Hopefully" means the dose would change for your cycle if you're not doing TRT afterwards.

Diet and nutrition is pretty good.

This should be planned out as well including getting used to counting macros and getting pedantic on tracking everything. This being if you're going to run a cycle of Test of course. We wanna get the most out of it for you as well as follow along regarding how your diet and training is while on cycle.

 

[Ulter]

Yes, I think you are right - me having never done a cycle, probably a little anxious, nervous etc, worrying. I am sure once I do a sensible first cycle I will see that I am fine.

Totally normal and you'll be fine.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey guys,

Apologies for posting in the wrong thread last week guys (and to the people who kindly commented).
Too lazy not checking thread titles (future note to self).
I will copy the post that was meant to go here, along with any applicable comments by others from that thread:
Also thanks for your patience, work is reasonably stressful.

My post from last week which should have gone in this thread: (bloodwork)
-----------------
Been a few weeks, but managed to get bloods done (see images and summary below).
I started cutting back on the red meat a bit to try and keep the cholesterol down, which looks to have worked, so I am not at cardiovascular risk now.

LH: - - 5.0 (1.5-9.0) U/L
FSH: - - 4.1 (1.4-8.4) IU/L
Oestradiol: - - 111 (< 146)pmol/L
Testosterone: - - 20.1 (8.3-31.8) nmol/L
SHBG: - - 56 (14-95)nmol/L
Prolactin:- - 123 (45-375)mIU/L
Bioav. Testo.: - - 7.1 (2.5-12.0) nmol/L
FAI: - - 35.9 (14.5-80.3)

I have been dieting well basically meat and vegetables - no crap, more than enough protein, then enough carbs and veggies.
Training - consistent - squats around 5 days a week, deadlifts, arms shoulders a bit, I have not been logging on paper, but it is kind of the way I need to do it now with work etc to keep myself motivated - it needs to be a bit of fun as work is not! I intend to pick up the frequency and intensity going into my first cycle, then if what I have read is anything to go by, once the t kicks in, should increase motivation = reinforce lifting, and logging as I am more into it.

I was refused for TRT, but was told that "should I submit an abnormal test' I might be able to get it. So I figure it should be possible to do a cycle of test only, then when coming off get tested when levels go low again.
I saw one guy come out when I was going in for blood work, maybe mid 20's clearly on gear!
My next question was going to be to ask for tips on submitting blood work when coming of first cycle for increasing chances of getting approved for trt.

------------------
BeMe said:

"Your bloodwork looks like a healthy young man. Why would you need TRT bro?"

My response:
Great point - yes I look normal, fairly healthy, so no, I don't need it.
Is it worth it and will I better of on it - that is the question imo - Risk vs Reward.
from my point of view and the research I have seen:

pros:
- t levels naturally decline as nature wants you to be a dad. I am 42 -Mine has clearly declined. I think this is the biggest flag as it makes sense from an "overall" and nature point of view, nothing wrong about it declining, but it if can brought back up for far better pros vs potential cons, why not?
- overall optimisation of state of well being, cognition, motivation, health (details could go on and on) better lifts, engagement etc..

cons
- trt is a potential conspiracy for pharma to sell you gear - get you hooked and make money of you (leaning toward false here)
- even with responsible dosing and monitoring you screw up your hormones, can't have kids etc, other health issues.
- not enough of us have been on trt for 100+years, so don't know the really long term effects.
- cost, time spent injecting, monitoring etc. dependency and not being able to get / inject due to surprises.

other:
- I have muscle wastage around a femur bone from a accident when I was 9. (biggest bone in the body - quads) and it did not fully heal to one piece. so less protection around a huge bone which is not in on piece = Fragile. Tried as I might, I cannot build it back without gear. This is why and what gear was made for.

summary:
I just have to weigh pros vs cons, and there is a heavy lean to getting on imo, or, at the very least, giving it a try and getting off with minimal damage if for whatever reason does not work. which is why I think doing a cycle first will help.

------------------

Another post from BeMe in my actual "first cycle" thread:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251
which I have not started yet (I will post in this thread when I start a cycle):

"Welcome bro.

Best advice is dial everything in BEFORE you start a cycle. On cycle is not the time to be inconsistent. Best case you're losing gains and wasting gear, worst case you're getting tons of side effects and it will be hard to determine why when you're not consistent with diet and training.

You're still young and have plenty of time to cycle ahead. Focus on nailing your training and diet down then hop on.

Best thing for you now is to START A LOG. All the EVO fam can jump in and help you figure things out and get you ready. Then when you do cycle we'll have all the info from your training log and be able to give you better advice based on your goals."

My response:
Thanks BeMe, great post. That is the aim. once I get this work trip done (I have to travel interstate for a couple of days to a week) I will look to start my first cycle this trip has been pushed out another week again, so I hope it is done this week or next.

------------------
R.A.P said:
(this post, I think was likely meant for the original poster in the thread -"KingSh1t" and his stats/status etc.- in his thread: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/beginner-looking-for-advice.106214/#post-1952251 )

"You are still in your infancy when it comes to progression in the gym brother and could ride this out for a long time before needing to look at enhancements.

You'll get just as much, if not more out of dialing in your nutrition and training properly than you will gear. Without them, the foundations, the gear means nothing.

Learn how to eat and train properly with guidance (have a look at a coach - money will be well better spent than on gear), and when you're ready, simple is better. Low dose test to begin with, tapering only as progression stalls and monitoring for tolerable dose.

@LevButlerov
@HarleyGuy
@Allupfromhere"
------------------

​

You posted this but didn't tag @BeMe or @R.AP I'll tag them for you.

 

[LevButlerov]

Diet and nutrition is pretty good.
Diet:
Mainly meat and vegetables. so easily enough protein, then veggies and carbs after that - carbs from sweet potato, oats mainly.
I just eat when I am hungry, I don't calorie count etc.. just go of how I feel.

Training:
3-5 times a week,
Squats mainly, deadlifts, rows, smaller dumbell exercises. Usually 45minutes to 1.5 hours in each session. I am not to pedantic on tracking everything - logging just yet, but will when I am on the first cycle. Once I have the gear ordered, and a date to start, I will up training before hand so I am close to plateauing out before the cycle starts.

I am doing a cycle now, then will hopefully move onto permanent TRT afterwards.

We need you to share training and diet and supps closer @lootoo

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?