Perfect PCT dosing protocol?

[LevButlerov]

I wanted to talk to Dylan Gemelli and our vet team about the proper dose of ancillary drugs and supplements during PCT. What do you think it should be? All views are welcome?

I would start with:
Clomid (light dose)
Nolvadex (tamox)
HCGenerate/Post CT

and for organ support/liver recovery - N2Guard or Organ ST.

Let's hear some input.

 

[stevesmi]

less is better, if you want to go heavier then up your n2generate (ES)

i see a lot of guys running ridiculous amounts of SERM's. one guy just said he ran 100mg clomid a day and his dick stopped working, well no shit!

 

[dylangemelli]

heres the pct i recommend for everyone...

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.







clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)

gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

 

[dylangemelli]

check out the new video here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYz2RythDjY

 

[P0N]

I use Dylan's protocol now a days and it has served me much better than other PCT protocols I gave used in the past

 

[LevButlerov]

heres the pct i recommend for everyone...

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.



clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25
nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)
gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

I agree, I see cortisol as a huge gain-killer and it prevents recovery. How do you feel about doing aromasin ED for the 1st week of PCT? That's what I usually recommend in my writing due to an estrogen spike in the 1st 7-10 days after stopping a cycle.

 

[dylangemelli]

I agree, I see cortisol as a huge gain-killer and it prevents recovery. How do you feel about doing aromasin ED for the 1st week of PCT? That's what I usually recommend in my writing due to an estrogen spike in the 1st 7-10 days after stopping a cycle.

It really depends on how estrogen prone they may or may not be, what they ram on cycle and how their mid cycle looked

 

[Mobster]

Never used Clomid or HCG

 

[cbbram]

Dylan has you covered

 

[awm1981]

I have followed the perfect OCT with great results utilizing the 2 week gap period from last shot to PCT (taking my AI in that period) then the 6 week PCT with clomid, nolva, aromasion, N2GenerateES, cardarine, and i like mk677 instead of MK2866 to minimize any chance of suppression.

Dosages I follow are as laid out in perfect PCT and have been very happy with it.

 

[LevButlerov]

I have followed the perfect PCT with great results utilizing the 2 week gap period from last shot to PCT (taking my AI in that period) then the 6 week PCT with clomid, nolva, aromasion, N2GenerateES, cardarine, and i like mk677 instead of MK2866 to minimize any chance of suppression.

Dosages I follow are as laid out in perfect PCT and have been very happy with it.

That's the right PCT mix. Guarantees recovery. I hope more members and new users follow this.

 

[RickRock]

Dylans protocol is what I recommend

 

[JG1133]

heres the pct i recommend for everyone...

when you are in pct, you are going to get a major spike in cortisol... cortisol is termed the "gains killer" for a reason... it will put you into a catabolic state which will not allow you to build muscle and at the same time will eat it away, on top of the fact you will also get unwanted fat gain... so you will lose muscle and gain fat that you had just busted your ass an entire cycle for... GW and MK prevent the rise in cortisol... not only that but they keep you performing at a level you were while on cycle being the ultimate performance enhancers they are... on top of the fact that mk2866 is the ultimate for healing and recovery, which is imperative in pct as well as keeping strength up to a very high level... gw will also treat cholesterol and blood pressure, which are definitely things that need addressed in pct as well…Organ ST plays a pivotal role in a post-cycle therapy (PCT). There’s a strong misconception that the role of a PCT is simply to restart the natural testosterone production that was shut down from the steroid cycle. While this is true, there are a lot of the other issues that the body has to deal with during a PCT: hormone fluctuations, high liver enzymes, increased blood pressure, pressure on the kidneys and endocrine system, high stress and cortisol levels, the list goes on...Organ ST helps address all of these problems and helps you recover in a timely manner. The quicker you recover, the less likelihood of any long-term problems occurring, and the more likely that all gains you make during your cycle are retained.







clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)

gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

Dylan if you had arimidex instead of aromasin how would you dose it over this 6 week PCT?




clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)

gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

 

[dylangemelli]

Dylan if you had arimidex instead of aromasin how would you dose it over this 6 week PCT?




clomid 50/50/50/25/25/25 

nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20

aromasin 12.5 mg eod (adjust accordingly)
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
organ-st
mk-2866 25 mg day (ONLY 4 WEEKS)

gw-501516 20 mg day esarms.com

I wouldnt. Arimidex wont help with estrogen rebound whatsoever and u certainly dont want the negative effects it can have on your lipids in pct

 

[JG1133]

I wouldnt. Arimidex wont help with estrogen rebound whatsoever and u certainly dont want the negative effects it can have on your lipids in pct

So if you're using Arimidex for your AI on cycle then how would you switch it up for PCT (considering you don't have access to Aromasin?

 

[Theorem]

I did hcg 1000ius per week the last 5 weeks before pct then did clomid 25/25/25/25/25/25

My balls got big fast but I lost alot if gains. Mostly my fault cause it was during exam period and I was stressed and not eating or training enough.

But really I should have followed a better protocol. Some ostarine plus a higher clomid dose at first would have saved my gains I think.

 

[JG1133]

Never used Clomid or HCG

Me either. Well I've used clomid once. I won't again.

 

[JG1133]

I did hcg 1000ius per week the last 5 weeks before pct then did clomid 25/25/25/25/25/25

My balls got big fast but I lost alot if gains. Mostly my fault cause it was during exam period and I was stressed and not eating or training enough.

But really I should have followed a better protocol. Some ostarine plus a higher clomid dose at first would have saved my gains I think.

In my opinion and based on results, bloods, sex drive, etc. there's no reason to use clomid and nolvadex at the same time anymore. That's from the 80s-90s. I would like for someone to prove me wrong with that. HCG is a complete waste of your time and money unless you're looking to increase fertility. It drops your balls, but no benefit to your cycle. You don't need to block your estrogen you need to control it! I'm doing this PCT next.

nolva 40/40/40/20/20/20
DGA ORGAN ST https://www.dganutrition.com/cycle-support/
MK 677
GW-501516
Caber
Natty test booster like Monster Test it was rated the top five last year in natural test boosters.
That would be about it.