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Prohormones. Why do people keep doing this.....

Jrbdallas

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It amazes me that we still see members coming to EVO searching for advice on pro hormones. This is just a quick opinion of mine in hopes it steers you in the right path.


Developed approximately two decades ago, prohormones came to the market as a legal alternative to anabolic steroids. Marketed as a precursor to a hormone with limited sides yet all the same effects. It wasn't till years down the road, athletes started to realize just how dangerous this shit really is. Many would fail to realize prohormones still required PCT just like anabolic steroids. Many failed to realize the effect prohormones has on liver function and the function of other vital organs.


As a "legal alternative", supplement stores stocked these on their shelves for open sale to the public. Openly marketing them to clueless kids and the general public as “the shit that gets you jacked!” Get all the same advantages as anabolic steroids with less sides. “Oh and better yet! We sell a half assed bunk PCT made by the same company to get you fully recovered and back in the game after cycle!” Supplement stores are not liquor stores. They are not ID’ing you. Any young adult was able to get their hands on whatever toxic shit they wanted for a hard earned $120. Growing up in a community where sports were top priority, was a first hand look at how this stuff falls into the hands of young athletes and how it spreads like a virus in that setting. It was truly amazing to see everyone go through the balloon effect of inflating and deflating. And how some grew boods, and how some looked like a pepperoni pizza.


Now whenever you take something real and authentic and try to make a synthetic alternative, It will never be as good as the real deal .Prohormones are a perfect example of this. You will gain half the amount you would on anabolic steroids. Typically the size you see is simply water bloat. The strength almost immediately goes away as you move into your half ass synthetic PCT.

Your liver and other organs hammered with toxic compounds. Significantly more severe than you see with most anabolic steroids.


Another issue with prohormones, is you don’t know WTF you are taking! On that fancy label you have on your prohormone bottle, you will see your ingredients. You will also see the phrase “proprietary blend”.... This general term is like Mc Donalds secret sauce. You like it, you hear its good… but you don't really know just wtf it is…. Its the labs secret mixture of ingredients that make that prohormone what it is. It could literally be anything mixed together. You dont know the doses, you don't know the exact ingredients, you just see proprietary blend. Or even better…. You see a chemical chain. And I can promise you 9 out of 10 people will never never look that chemical chain up to see exactly what it is.


As prohormones were getting banned more and more frequently labs would change the chemical chains in the active compounds ever so slightly to technically create something new.. Hence the creation of things like trenevar. So you take the real deal anabolic steroid, then make an alternative, then an alternative, then another alternative on top of that and so on.

Now you think about protein and what seems better. A fresh 1lb cut of steak. Or some fucking whey protein. Or how about your lady? Would you go for a blow up doll instead?

Since the evolution of SARMS, a medically proven safer alternative, prohormones should be a thing of the fucking past. The one and only benefit a prohormone had was it USED to be legal. All prohormones are now illegal just FYI. Even if its on the counter at your hole in the wall supplements store.

Long story short, that's my rant… If you are on prohormones or continue to take them, wake the fuck up and get some sense. Start with Sarms or your basic test cycle. Do it right or don't do it at all.
 
Good post. Never even thought about using that stuff. I prefer to spend my hard earned money on the real deal with real results.
 
I remember when tons of kids started using prohormones when I was in high school. Even as I got older and out of high school I remember kids in high school still turning to them. One kid would use them, see results and tell all his friends and they would all use it.
 
Good post. Never even thought about using that stuff. I prefer to spend my hard earned money on the real deal with real results.
Fuck ya brotha.

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My source has a prohormone well tested and runs like Dbol.... I sometimes use as a kickstart to a bulk cycle... but I have never seen it impact my bloods negatively... The particular one I have used does lean toward gyno though so three weeks is max... as kickstart only...
 
My source has a prohormone well tested and runs like Dbol.... I sometimes use as a kickstart to a bulk cycle... but I have never seen it impact my bloods negatively... The particular one I have used does lean toward gyno though so three weeks is max... as kickstart only...

Ya man so runs like dbol? Well why not run dbol? Just price? Dbol is pretty cheap.
 
they assume cause it came from a bottle and that it was available over the counter it is safer.
Lol the supp counter behind the register at your local Maxx muscle has this vibe that oh.... it's sold on retail stores.... must be safe! They guy ringing me up is huge and he says he takes it. That means I should!

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Dallas bud alot of what you said applies to steroids. Prohormones literally are steroids. Not only that but many are far more powerful. Alpha one and superdrol for example are more potent than anything you can buy from a source. Epistane is my FAVORITE PH/DS/AAS and it's more powerful than var, winny, or tbol.

You guys must just not understand that steroids were created the exact same way prohormones are. Often you don't know what you are getting from a source but at least most PHs were made in a factory rather than a kitchen or bathtub.
 
After reading this it makes me wonder if you've ran any prohormones at all. If you had you wouldn't have made this post.
 
Also the term prohormones is misleading, in many cases it is actually an active steroid instead of metabolizing into a different compound.
 
I agree completely. Not only are they one of the most toxic things you can put into your body, the gains you achieve from them almost completely vanish as soon as you come off.

If you don't want to use something illegal - use SARMS

Otherwise, real steroids are the way to go. They are much safer, healthier and provide much better results.
 
Dallas bud alot of what you said applies to steroids. Prohormones literally are steroids. Not only that but many are far more powerful. Alpha one and superdrol for example are more potent than anything you can buy from a source. Epistane is my FAVORITE PH/DS/AAS and it's more powerful than var, winny, or tbol.

You guys must just not understand that steroids were created the exact same way prohormones are. Often you don't know what you are getting from a source but at least most PHs were made in a factory rather than a kitchen or bathtub.
It's a designer steroid bud. It's not something that's really been used for any legitimate purpose. Although your right in some aspects of what you said, you and I both know you are not finding pure superdrol from these companies. We are not talking about what you find at PSL. We are talking about the pre bottles trash you find that people buy with zero education and how it's marketed to the wrong crowd.

Of course I've ran prohormones lol you kidding me?! I look at all that prohormone use to where I am now. And I realize fuck that was stupid!

Now you wanna talk about those who can fins the pure form of the steroid that's different. Again Il remind you that's a synthetic alternative to a related hormone wich was never marketed for a legitimate purpose. If it works for you though man good for you. As you can see the majority if experienced users agree prohormones are not the correct path to choose.


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I respectfully disagree. The first thing i ever used was a prohormone. I was apprehensive bout pinning and wanted to get my feet wet without jumping full in. Of course after my first taste and knowing i could double the results with test that was the natural progression. So i imo it kind of depends on how ur approaching it. I took the cautious route and it worked for me. Others may just wanna jump full in
 
I respectfully disagree. The first thing i ever used was a prohormone. I was apprehensive bout pinning and wanted to get my feet wet without jumping full in. Of course after my first taste and knowing i could double the results with test that was the natural progression. So i imo it kind of depends on how ur approaching it. I took the cautious route and it worked for me. Others may just wanna jump full in
And that's cool man. I totally understand. I had the same approach and thought process. it wasn't till I realized the process of injections wasn't what made my cycles unsafe. The factual evidence is there on not only prohormones but all almost all oral steroids being highly toxic and detrimental to organ function.

I looked at needles as being the next step when really I should have educated myself better on the big picture. I hear what your saying though and if you still feel it was the right choice for you that's cool man. That's what makes the fitness industry unique. Nobody is the same. We all have our own opinions.

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It's a designer steroid bud. It's not something that's really been used for any legitimate purpose. Although your right in some aspects of what you said, you and I both know you are not finding pure superdrol from these companies. We are not talking about what you find at PSL. We are talking about the pre bottles trash you find that people buy with zero education and how it's marketed to the wrong crowd.

Of course I've ran prohormones lol you kidding me?! I look at all that prohormone use to where I am now. And I realize fuck that was stupid!

Now you wanna talk about those who can fins the pure form of the steroid that's different. Again Il remind you that's a synthetic alternative to a related hormone wich was never marketed for a legitimate purpose. If it works for you though man good for you. As you can see the majority if experienced users agree prohormones are not the correct path to choose.


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First of all, steroids are ACTIVE COMPOUNDS, EXACTLY the same as your precious AAS. If it’s active in the bottle, without your body having to alter it it’s not a prohormone, its a hormone (which is what steroids are designed to be)! Prohormones are not steroids, Prohormones must be converted or metabolized into an active compound. If it is a designer steroid then by definition, it is a steroid that was designed, which means it is active already. Prohormones are not active. So, some of what you consider a prohormone is, in fact, not a prohormone at all. It could still be a designer steroid whether it is a prohormone or not, because to be a designer steroid you have to be designed. Let me tell you something though, your Dbol didn't grow from a tree either. Guess what that means? It was fucking designed...by a chemist...the same damn way that superdrol or any other compound was DESIGNED.

Also, please tell me you aren't saying that it is harder to find pure superdrol than it is to find pure chinese powders for sources to use to produce gear? Because if you are saying that then BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It is all synthesized in the same place now, China. The superdrol powder comes likely from the same exact place as your traditional steroids. Does it really matter if it was ever marketed for a legitimate purpose? I mean fuck they used halotestin for muscular atrophy, seriously, is that a legitimate purpose? I look at my time using prohormones and I realize, oh wow I am stronger than basically every mother fucker alive. Thanks PROHORMONES! Also, my cholesterol and lipid levels are perfect. Which, is generally the largest complaint about PH toxicity.

Here's the rundown from I think Ironmag but its on like 7 different forums as well:
Anabolic Ratings

OTC Designers Traditional orals
M1T: 900-1600 Anadrol: 320
Superdrol: 400 Dianabol: 90-210
Pheraplex: 160 Methyltestosterone: 100
Dimethazine: 200 Winstrol: 320
Epistane: 1100 Anavar: 322-630

Next we will look at the hypertrophic ability of each drug, per mg. Below I have listed them in descending order of strength, from strongest to weakest.

1.) M1T
2.) Superdrol
3.) Dimethazine
4.) Dianabol
5.) Pheraplex/Anadrol: I was originally planning on placing Pheraplex in the #5 position, but since I know of no one who has used this drug in the 100 mg/day range (with is very common with Anadrol), I had no real-world experiences to reference for comparison. Still, my hypothesis is that Pheraplex would exhibit a greater hypertrophic effect if dosed at equivalent doses of 100 mg/day, although they would likely be very similar to what is experienced with Anadrol.
6.) Epistane
7-10.) In no particular order: The remaining 3 traditional steroids (winstrol, anavar, methyltestosterone, and turinabol) fall into the bottom 3.

Effective Dosing Ranges for OTC & Traditional AAS
1.) M1T: 5-30 mg/day.
2.) Superdrol: 10-40 mg/day.
3.) Dimethazine: 15-45 mg/day.
4.) Dianabol: 20-100 mg/day.
5.) Pheraplex/Anadrol: 20-45/50-100 mg/day.
6.) Epistane: 20-100 mg/day.
7-10.) Anavar, Winstrol, Turinabol, and Methyltestosterone: 40-100/50-100/30-100/20-50 mg/day.


So, while many PH and/or DS are stronger than your favorite AAS and often less toxic. Let me go back to the "point" you made about being used for a "legitimate purpose." You like tren right? Do you know the "legitimate purpose" it was made for? Fucking cows. Fucking cows. How about EQ? Fucking horses...fucking horses.

So, here we have shit that was designed FOR PEOPLE vs. shit that was designed for ANIMALS. Hmmm...let me see, which would I prefer to use?

I have so much more to say about this topic, so if you want to continue this I am absolutely game. There is no fucking difference in a DS or an AAS. Like none at all. The liver toxicity of winny is a fuckton more than epistane, while epistane is harsher than anavar. Those three are all very similar. Although, Epistane is stronger than either of them, I get shitloads of sides on winny and none on either var or stane, but better results from stane.

Sdrol is the only PH/DS that really fucks me up, and I don't run it because it is just too strong. It makes me the most evil human being on Earth, whereas tren apparently doesn't even change my temperament. The liver toxicity on SD is probably higher than most AAS aside from methyl-tren, halo, and anadrol. But, SD is stronger than both of them, although the halo is probably going to give bigger strength gains you will gain better size from the SD than either of them.

And as for my seeing that the majority of experienced users agree prohormones are not the correct path, that is just flawed logic. Most of the guys on here just try and fit in, and actually have no real opinions or have no experience with PH and/or DS. I try to avoid stepping on toes or getting into altercations as well, but I don't like misinformation to spread.

You also talked about "reminding me that it is a synthetic alternative to a related hormone," OK. Just about every AAS is a synthetic form of testosterone, or used it as a baseline, but forget that part. Let me show you which of the DS are active and COMPLETELY their own compound instead of turning into something else.

Halodrol converts to Turinabol at about 20%, but it is also its own chemical with different effects. It is slightly stronger than Tbol but does convert making it a prohormone
Epistane is an orally active compound making it a steroid.
MLMG converts to something similar to nandrolone and is stronger than nandrolone, but it is a prohormone.
Methylsten is an orally active compound making it a steroid.
Trendione converts to Trenbolone at about 20-30% and has identical effects, but it is a prohormone.
M1T is an active compound and arguably (but not really because it is just fact) the most potent hormone in existence, and it is a steroid.


I just listed some of the more common compounds above, I can put an entire book of information in here about this topic. Nothing anyone can say will be accurate when it just another ranting anecdote. FACT: MANY PH and/or DS are FAR stronger and LESS harmful than MOST commonly used AAS PERIOD.

Lastly, they are all the same now - they are all illegal. Embrace the new options you guys have instead of sticking to shit that was designed in the 1960s and earlier. Technology and science have come a long way since then. Many of these PH and or DS that you guys are complaining about are stronger, quicker acting, and with fewer sides than the beloved steroids of yesteryear.

If I didn't own so many prohormones that I can never use them all I would never need to buy an oral steroid again. Basically, all I am saying is that there is a place for everything, and people shouldn't just shit all over a substance because so and so said it sucks. Look at the facts, not what some guy on a forum said. And the facts are many designer steroids don't even convert, they simply are a steroid, that was yes designed but for humans instead of those designed for animals. Use whatever you want, but don't shit all over other things just because you wanted to make a rant about something. I can come in here and throw so much more information about this topic if I need to. I'm done though, I just want people to understand that intentionally limiting your options of compounds is not only silly but asinine.

You should use what will suit your purposes, and if you have multiple options in that category then use what is least harmful or most cost effective. It isn't brain surgery, we all want to get huge, and we all want to minimize risk. Many of these compounds will do exactly that. It is really a moot point anyway at this juncture, because most of these compounds are becoming nearly impossible to find.
 
And that's cool man. I totally understand. I had the same approach and thought process. it wasn't till I realized the process of injections wasn't what made my cycles unsafe. The factual evidence is there on not only prohormones but all almost all oral steroids being highly toxic and detrimental to organ function.

I looked at needles as being the next step when really I should have educated myself better on the big picture. I hear what your saying though and if you still feel it was the right choice for you that's cool man. That's what makes the fitness industry unique. Nobody is the same. We all have our own opinions.

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This is correct though dallas, any oil is likely to be less harmful than any oral. If this was your point I may have misconstrued your intent, I am just pointing out that PH and/or DS = oral AAS and in some cases exceed them. But, if all you were saying is that we should just use injectibles then you are 100% absolutely correct.
 
First of all, steroids are ACTIVE COMPOUNDS, EXACTLY the same as your precious AAS. If it’s active in the bottle, without your body having to alter it it’s not a prohormone, its a hormone (which is what steroids are designed to be)! Prohormones are not steroids, Prohormones must be converted or metabolized into an active compound. If it is a designer steroid then by definition, it is a steroid that was designed, which means it is active already. Prohormones are not active. So, some of what you consider a prohormone is, in fact, not a prohormone at all. It could still be a designer steroid whether it is a prohormone or not, because to be a designer steroid you have to be designed. Let me tell you something though, your Dbol didn't grow from a tree either. Guess what that means? It was fucking designed...by a chemist...the same damn way that superdrol or any other compound was DESIGNED.

Also, please tell me you aren't saying that it is harder to find pure superdrol than it is to find pure chinese powders for sources to use to produce gear? Because if you are saying that then BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. It is all synthesized in the same place now, China. The superdrol powder comes likely from the same exact place as your traditional steroids. Does it really matter if it was ever marketed for a legitimate purpose? I mean fuck they used halotestin for muscular atrophy, seriously, is that a legitimate purpose? I look at my time using prohormones and I realize, oh wow I am stronger than basically every mother fucker alive. Thanks PROHORMONES! Also, my cholesterol and lipid levels are perfect. Which, is generally the largest complaint about PH toxicity.

Here's the rundown from I think Ironmag but its on like 7 different forums as well:
Anabolic Ratings

OTC DesignersTraditional orals
M1T: 900-1600Anadrol: 320
Superdrol: 400Dianabol: 90-210
Pheraplex: 160Methyltestosterone: 100
Dimethazine: 200Winstrol: 320
Epistane: 1100Anavar: 322-630

Next we will look at the hypertrophic ability of each drug, per mg. Below I have listed them in descending order of strength, from strongest to weakest.

1.) M1T
2.) Superdrol
3.) Dimethazine
4.) Dianabol
5.) Pheraplex/Anadrol: I was originally planning on placing Pheraplex in the #5 position, but since I know of no one who has used this drug in the 100 mg/day range (with is very common with Anadrol), I had no real-world experiences to reference for comparison. Still, my hypothesis is that Pheraplex would exhibit a greater hypertrophic effect if dosed at equivalent doses of 100 mg/day, although they would likely be very similar to what is experienced with Anadrol.
6.) Epistane
7-10.) In no particular order: The remaining 3 traditional steroids (winstrol, anavar, methyltestosterone, and turinabol) fall into the bottom 3.

Effective Dosing Ranges for OTC & Traditional AAS
1.) M1T: 5-30 mg/day.
2.) Superdrol: 10-40 mg/day.
3.) Dimethazine: 15-45 mg/day.
4.) Dianabol: 20-100 mg/day.
5.) Pheraplex/Anadrol: 20-45/50-100 mg/day.
6.) Epistane: 20-100 mg/day.
7-10.) Anavar, Winstrol, Turinabol, and Methyltestosterone: 40-100/50-100/30-100/20-50 mg/day.


So, while many PH and/or DS are stronger than your favorite AAS and often less toxic. Let me go back to the "point" you made about being used for a "legitimate purpose." You like tren right? Do you know the "legitimate purpose" it was made for? Fucking cows. Fucking cows. How about EQ? Fucking horses...fucking horses.

So, here we have shit that was designed FOR PEOPLE vs. shit that was designed for ANIMALS. Hmmm...let me see, which would I prefer to use?

I have so much more to say about this topic, so if you want to continue this I am absolutely game. There is no fucking difference in a DS or an AAS. Like none at all. The liver toxicity of winny is a fuckton more than epistane, while epistane is harsher than anavar. Those three are all very similar. Although, Epistane is stronger than either of them, I get shitloads of sides on winny and none on either var or stane, but better results from stane.

Sdrol is the only PH/DS that really fucks me up, and I don't run it because it is just too strong. It makes me the most evil human being on Earth, whereas tren apparently doesn't even change my temperament. The liver toxicity on SD is probably higher than most AAS aside from methyl-tren, halo, and anadrol. But, SD is stronger than both of them, although the halo is probably going to give bigger strength gains you will gain better size from the SD than either of them.

And as for my seeing that the majority of experienced users agree prohormones are not the correct path, that is just flawed logic. Most of the guys on here just try and fit in, and actually have no real opinions or have no experience with PH and/or DS. I try to avoid stepping on toes or getting into altercations as well, but I don't like misinformation to spread.

You also talked about "reminding me that it is a synthetic alternative to a related hormone," OK. Just about every AAS is a synthetic form of testosterone, or used it as a baseline, but forget that part. Let me show you which of the DS are active and COMPLETELY their own compound instead of turning into something else.

Halodrol converts to Turinabol at about 20%, but it is also its own chemical with different effects. It is slightly stronger than Tbol but does convert making it a prohormone
Epistane is an orally active compound making it a steroid.
MLMG converts to something similar to nandrolone and is stronger than nandrolone, but it is a prohormone.
Methylsten is an orally active compound making it a steroid.
Trendione converts to Trenbolone at about 20-30% and has identical effects, but it is a prohormone.
M1T is an active compound and arguably (but not really because it is just fact) the most potent hormone in existence, and it is a steroid.


I just listed some of the more common compounds above, I can put an entire book of information in here about this topic. Nothing anyone can say will be accurate when it just another ranting anecdote. FACT: MANY PH and/or DS are FAR stronger and LESS harmful than MOST commonly used AAS PERIOD.

Lastly, they are all the same now - they are all illegal. Embrace the new options you guys have instead of sticking to shit that was designed in the 1960s and earlier. Technology and science have come a long way since then. Many of these PH and or DS that you guys are complaining about are stronger, quicker acting, and with fewer sides than the beloved steroids of yesteryear.

If I didn't own so many prohormones that I can never use them all I would never need to buy an oral steroid again. Basically, all I am saying is that there is a place for everything, and people shouldn't just shit all over a substance because so and so said it sucks. Look at the facts, not what some guy on a forum said. And the facts are many designer steroids don't even convert, they simply are a steroid, that was yes designed but for humans instead of those designed for animals. Use whatever you want, but don't shit all over other things just because you wanted to make a rant about something. I can come in here and throw so much more information about this topic if I need to. I'm done though, I just want people to understand that intentionally limiting your options of compounds is not only silly but asinine.

You should use what will suit your purposes, and if you have multiple options in that category then use what is least harmful or most cost effective. It isn't brain surgery, we all want to get huge, and we all want to minimize risk. Many of these compounds will do exactly that. It is really a moot point anyway at this juncture, because most of these compounds are becoming nearly impossible to find.
Dragon you are just confused buddy. There is no point to even argue. You can go ahead and be one of there very small select few that enjoy your prohormones bro. That's fine lol.

None of what you have gone into is even relevant to the post anymore. Have you actually ready it or do you just skim through. Idk how you took it in to the tangent you did but that's fine man.

We are talking about the trash that infected a retail market and destroyed the health of many due to poor education and ease of purchase. Kids allowed to buy this stuff like it's a tub of protein. Supplement companies marketing them for profit rather then quality. How you pulled all this together is actually quite entertaining.

You are way off the mark lol. I could give a fuck less if your an educated adult wanting to make big boy choices. You do you dragon.
Personally I will stick with the resounding agreement that prohormones are in general trash.

And you wanna bring up the use of tren and eq?! Bro this is a perfect example of your going way out of context. Did I ever say that's a smart or healthy choice?! He'll no! But again that goes into an educated adult making educated choices. Your comparison is irrelevant.

Keep taking this as a personal attack all you want. your entitled to your disagreement but don't for one second think I have the time of day to argue with you
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This is correct though dallas, any oil is likely to be less harmful than any oral. If this was your point I may have misconstrued your intent, I am just pointing out that PH and/or DS = oral AAS and in some cases exceed them. But, if all you were saying is that we should just use injectibles then you are 100% absolutely correct.
Yes dragon. Just read the post man. I'm not saying it's all just fake or bunk terrible shit with no comparison. You and I both know though there is a difference from buying that bottled junk at the sup stores vs going to psl or a good supplier and buying just plain superdrol or epi. I'm not even saying anything about powder purities... I'm talking about the proprietary blends in pre bottled specially marketed prohormones. Far from what you find as a pure ingrediants like just plain superdrol. You find altered chemical chains mixed with other shit to be "the next big thing" on a retail market.

You went in a direction none of this was intended to go.

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For me it was my process. For others it may be different. But make no mistake prohormones are not anything to fool around with. They are derivatives of the steroid compound and react the same in your body. They should be used only after careful research and weighing of benefits vs risks. I used a complete pct after my usage and was very careful with on cycle supports. I also understand your point. Too many people view them as safe and dont tealize the risks involved. That is how society operates. A pill to solve all your problems lol
 
Dragon you are just confused buddy. There is no point to even argue. You can go ahead and be one of there very small select few that enjoy your prohormones bro. That's fine lol.

None of what you have gone into is even relevant to the post anymore. Have you actually ready it or do you just skim through. Idk how you took it in to the tangent you did but that's fine man.

We are talking about the trash that infected a retail market and destroyed the health of many due to poor education and ease of purchase. Kids allowed to buy this stuff like it's a tub of protein. Supplement companies marketing them for profit rather then quality. How you pulled all this together is actually quite entertaining.

You are way off the mark lol. I could give a fuck less if your an educated adult wanting to make big boy choices. You do you dragon.
Personally I will stick with the resounding agreement that prohormones are in general trash.

And you wanna bring up the use of tren and eq?! Bro this is a perfect example of your going way out of context. Did I ever say that's a smart or healthy choice?! He'll no! But again that goes into an educated adult making educated choices. Your comparison is irrelevant.

Keep taking this as a personal attack all you want. your entitled to your disagreement but don't for one second think I have the time of day to argue with you
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Lol I love this kind of response. It tells me and anyone else that read this thread everything they need to know.
 
Yes dragon. Just read the post man. I'm not saying it's all just fake or bunk terrible shit with no comparison. You and I both know though there is a difference from buying that bottled junk at the sup stores vs going to psl or a good supplier and buying just plain superdrol or epi. I'm not even saying anything about powder purities... I'm talking about the proprietary blends in pre bottled specially marketed prohormones. Far from what you find as a pure ingrediants like just plain superdrol. You find altered chemical chains mixed with other shit to be "the next big thing" on a retail market.

You went in a direction none of this was intended to go.

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You're initial post had a different meaning, and then when you said to the dude why not just use dbol if it acts like dbol. It's not a big deal, but plenty of stuff that you guys just write off as shit is much better than what you advocate using. Oils > orals though.
 
Dallas, I didn't take anything as a personal attack. I just felt I needed to provide some factual clarification. You're a good dude. No harm intended on my part, I just need to present facts.
 
Right so now you automatically assume my question is intended to suggest dbol is better right? You again are viewing this whole thing on the completly wrong level.



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I personally do think dbol is better than the "dbol like" prohormone. Now let's take it a step further. Prove that wrong and why. You wanna open it up let's do it bud. Put them side by side and please elaborate for us.

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I personally do think dbol is better than the "dbol like" prohormone. Now let's take it a step further. Prove that wrong and why. You wanna open it up let's do it bud. Put them side by side and please elaborate for us.

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I did this in my post that you basically ignored. It lists the anabolic and androgenic numbers showing dbol vastly inferior. Along with most of your favored aas.
 
Anabolic Ratings

OTC Designers Traditional orals
M1T: 900-1600 Anadrol: 320
Superdrol: 400 Dianabol: 90-210
Pheraplex: 160 Methyltestosterone: 100
Dimethazine: 200 Winstrol: 320
Epistane: 1100 Anavar: 322-630
 
Anyone that's used real sdrol and real dbol know this to be fact. Dbol bloats you which is what you said in your initial post that PHD do. Lol could not be further from the truth in this case. Sdrol is much drier than dbol and more effective all around, but it is more harsh. Unlike my favorite ph which absolutely slaughters var and winny, is more harsh than var but less than winny. I already said this and you were just like what are your talking about.
 
Oh dragon also please point out exactly where my post said something different. Just quote the text in here.

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I'm not trying to provide anecdotal evidence that seems to be your"method". Facts are facts, opinions just make shit up (like assholes).
 
Oh dragon also please point out exactly where my post said something different. Just quote the text in here.

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I personally do think dbol is better than the "dbol like" prohormone. Now let's take it a step further. Prove that wrong and why. You wanna open it up let's do it bud. Put them side by side and please elaborate for us.

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Ok. Here you go Sally.
 
I'm not trying to provide anecdotal evidence that seems to be your"method". Facts are facts, opinions just make shit up (like assholes).
That's exactly right dragon wich is why your opinion is irrelevant.

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Especially when your opinion doesn't even relate to the point made.

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Oh fuck me I just realized this entire thread was one giant sarms sell. I better stop arguing or I'll get banned. Lmao. Nevermind carry on selling your sarms lmao. I'll be going now.
 
Awesome post. I absolutely loathe ph's and the fact that they are deemed as "legal alternatives." It lends to a false negative connotation to steroids.
 
Nothing about a sarms sell. If you actually belive prohormones are the safer option you need to go back to square one buddy.

Again here is the solution to sum up your problem here. Like I have clearly stated previously. You are entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your own process. You can continue to do what works for you and that's your business. I stand firmly behind my point and many others support that as well. That's that.

And dragon you can disrespect me all you want. The intent of this is not to argue with the select few that disagree. Your not getting banned for your opinion dragon. What will get you banned is defaulting to comments like "your not very smart are you" you wanna have a respectful conversation that's fine.

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Fuck it, I'm done you're a fucking nitwit. Go sell your sarms I'm done.

The only thing you've been giving is fucking opinion. I've given facts and you've given the shit that dribbles out of your ass and you say hmm this sounds good.
Lol wow that went from 0-60 real fast.
Keep doing you dragon.


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Wow, this is one elaborated opinion! Thanks for posting it up here - it is quite insightful.
 
Arent 90% of the so called "prohormones" just steroids...i thought Superdrol was just methylated masteron and that M1T is dihydroboldenone? And the real prohormones are 4AD, M1,4 (Pre-Dbol) and 1AD (precurs-Methyl 1 Test)? And from what i read their side effects do suck ass. Not sure if my methylsten was overdosed or what but it was so bad that 20mg/day turned my urine orangish after only 3 weeks...


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Arent 90% of the so called "prohormones" just steroids...i thought Superdrol was just methylated masteron and that M1T is dihydroboldenone? And the real prohormones are 4AD, M1,4 (Pre-Dbol) and 1AD (precurs-Methyl 1 Test)? And from what i read their side effects do suck ass. Not sure if my methylsten was overdosed or what but it was so bad that 20mg/day turned my urine orangish after only 3 weeks...


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Some of them are. problem is as these things kept getting banned they continuously changed them to put them back on the market. Many ingrediants impossible to find legit anymore.
I'm more so talking about the prohormones marketed on a retail level. you don't see just plain bottles of superdrol around. Infact it was very rare even years ago. companies always wanted their special blend rather than a quality product. Blends of underdosed junk in most cases.

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bro some pros work...but many dont...its all up to the source if they gonna black hat it...
 
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