quick pct question

[Lifter22]

I am running a simple test prop cycle, 100 or 125 mg eod and have red that clomid isn't necessary for PCT just Nolva. I have done lots of research but too much conflicting any help is greatly appreciated thank you.

 

[davidr79]

Length would play a role on my decision.. But since your using Prop Id assume a shorter run...

1 will do the trick.. I'd use Clomid though personally.


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[Crossfit]

I guess hcgenerate , clomid , nolva , gw and n2guard is included in the perfect pct

 

[gearhead]

bro thats a huge misconception that you can do a "light or heavy" pct depending on how much steroids you use...thats all broscience nonsense...if you inject steroids like test, whether you do 300mgs per week or 2000mgs per week, you'll still be shut down...aka your body will STOP producing natural testosterone...so you will need a perfect pct to recover or expect long term health problems and endocrine system problems...
read this
http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[davidr79]

I beg to differ, but that's okay, that's why we are here..

A man running Prop for let's say 30 days could get away with a very mild pct...

Now running a 6 month cycle is different... Heavy PCT..

But I personally run only Clomid and my cycles are roughly 6months...

 

[alphalife]

I beg to differ, but that's okay, that's why we are here..

A man running Prop for let's say 30 days could get away with a very mild pct...

Now running a 6 month cycle is different... Heavy PCT..

But I personally run only Clomid and my cycles are roughly 6months...

That's unreal...

 

[davidr79]

That's unreal...

Can you elaborate please?




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[gearhead]

I beg to differ, but that's okay, that's why we are here..

A man running Prop for let's say 30 days could get away with a very mild pct...

Now running a 6 month cycle is different... Heavy PCT..

But I personally run only Clomid and my cycles are roughly 6months...

bro no hard feelings but thats terrible advice...you should go do bloods after your 6month cycle and clomid "pct"...you'll see how shutdown and unrecovered you are....

 

[davidr79]

No disrespect taken at all..
I do get labs done Brotha...
I run Clomid 100/75/75/75/50/50..

Along with a couple natty boosters companies usually sponsor me to run..
Aromasin as well done deal..


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[Lifter22]

Sorry. It'll be a 6 week cycle. What I've seen most common is clomid 50/50/25/25 and Nolva 40/40/20/20. Thoughts ? Need aromisin post as well?

 

[davidr79]

Dude on 6 weeks...
1 serm will do for 4 weeks..
Start Aromasin at week 3 and run until week 6 or so..



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[davidr79]

Remind me later fellas if we remember.. I'm wrapping up pct in about 2 weeks and I'll post my labs..
Cycle was roughly 7.5 months..


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[Lifter22]

I think I read12.5 for aromasin?

 

[davidr79]

That will work. Adjust as needed.


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[alphalife]

Can you elaborate please?




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Just completely goes against everything I've ever read about PCT. But I admit I've never tried it. Always done multiple weeks of clom, nolva, Aromasin. I'd be very interested in your bloods.

 

[alphalife]

No disrespect taken at all..
I do get labs done Brotha...
I run Clomid 100/75/75/75/50/50..

Along with a couple natty boosters companies usually sponsor me to run..
Aromasin as well done deal..


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How long are you "off" after PCT before pinning again?

 

[davidr79]

Usually about the cycle length only, not pct time included..

I'll run natty Supps like Xgels and Creatine and maybe Test boosters on "off" time but that's all.

I'll post my labs up..

I ran short 6 week cycles, 4 week pct and then right back to another 6 week cycle for about 1 yr.. Took 4 months off battling gyno and relaxing.. Right into this 7.5month cycle...

I know this isn't the ideal way to cycle but i don't mind if I have to TRT.. But for now I'll try and avoid it.. T levels are usually around 600-700 when I get labs done.. Fluctuates on how long after my serm I get bloods done..


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[alphalife]

Usually about the cycle length only, not pct time included..

I'll run natty Supps like Xgels and Creatine and maybe Test boosters on "off" time but that's all.

I'll post my labs up..

I ran short 6 week cycles, 4 week pct and then right back to another 6 week cycle for about 1 yr.. Took 4 months off battling gyno and relaxing.. Right into this 7.5month cycle...

I know this isn't the ideal way to cycle but i don't mind if I have to TRT.. But for now I'll try and avoid it.. T levels are usually around 600-700 when I get labs done.. Fluctuates on how long after my serm I get bloods done..


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You don't think your lack of off time had anything to do with your gyno problem?

 

[davidr79]

For sure it did...
But that's part of the risk we take, along with TRT or depression etc..

I am just being honest on how I've been running my cycles.. My mood is up and down, anger, depression, but this is a sacrifice I'm willing to make...

I do not advice people to run cycles this this at all..

But 2 serms high doses for a 6 week cycle is overkill by far..


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[alphalife]

Usually about the cycle length only, not pct time included..

I'll run natty Supps like Xgels and Creatine and maybe Test boosters on "off" time but that's all.

I'll post my labs up..

I ran short 6 week cycles, 4 week pct and then right back to another 6 week cycle for about 1 yr.. Took 4 months off battling gyno and relaxing.. Right into this 7.5month cycle...

I know this isn't the ideal way to cycle but i don't mind if I have to TRT.. But for now I'll try and avoid it.. T levels are usually around 600-700 when I get labs done.. Fluctuates on how long after my serm I get bloods done..


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When you say 4 week pct, are you including off time in there? I thought your PCT was only 1 week...?

 

[davidr79]

My pct is 4 full weeks off of 6-8 weeks cycles..

Any longer I run a 6 week pct or so..
Depends..

I just meant I'll bounce right back on cycle after pct is complete, no time off..

Basically like Blasting & Cruising...
But my Cruising is PCT..


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[alphalife]

Interesting. Thanks for elaborating. Sorry to OP for hijacking, but I thought these were relevant questions, esp given the advice David gave you.

 

[davidr79]

We'll see what these labs hold in store..
I may be screwed ya know... We'll see..

But in the end, PCT is very important and should be taken seriously..

And no 2 people are the same, what works for me or you, may hurt another..


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[LevButlerov]

I am running a simple test prop cycle, 100 or 125 mg eod and have red that clomid isn't necessary for PCT just Nolva. I have done lots of research but too much conflicting any help is greatly appreciated thank you.

I would lower the dosage of both, and use both Nolva and Clomid. Everybody reacts differently to different drugs, even if they have the same purpose. Therefore, by using both of them you are kind of reassurring yourself.

 

[stevesmi]

first off if you are not running blood work 3-4 weeks AFTER pct, then you can't claim you are recovered.

running bloods during pct is pointless.. SERM's will manipulate LH and test levels while on them.

 

[davidr79]

This is the bottom line....

Show me proof that 2 Serms work better than 1....
That's all this thread was about.

And this "perfect pct" which is retarded because Osta has NO business in pct at 25mg... Shouldn't be in pct period...
Osta is a joke, it's the exact opposite of what all the hype was about... Epic Fail...


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[bpyser5]

I am running a simple test prop cycle, 100 or 125 mg eod and have red that clomid isn't necessary for PCT just Nolva. I have done lots of research but too much conflicting any help is greatly appreciated thank you.

You don't need to stack both clomid or nolva. They're both SERMs. I prefer clomid but some people get the blurry vision sides. If you are going barebones as possible in your PCT, I would recommend taking HCG towards the end of your cycle and then running either clomid or nolva for PCT. All the doses/timing can be found online. The HCG helps boost your test and prevents testicular atrophy and the nolva/clomid will effectively assist in getting your test back up once the exogenous test has cleared.

 

[Ben dilly]

I am also having a problem with this running 2 Serms at the same time. I have always just ran clomid 100/75/50/25/25 and maybe aromisin at 12.5 but now I feel like I should add nolva bc everyone is saying you need both. My labs have always come back in check but the cycle I'm on right now is the first time I have ran three compounds in one cycle though they are still lighter compounds, tbol, test e and mast e. I don't want to overkill the Serms but I don't want to short myself either, safety first. Sorry man don't mean to hijack your thread, I was just reading and thought I would put my thoughts and concerns out there.

 

[alphalife]

This is the bottom line....

Show me proof that 2 Serms work better than 1....
That's all this thread was about.

And this "perfect pct" which is retarded because Osta has NO business in pct at 25mg... Shouldn't be in pct period...
Osta is a joke, it's the exact opposite of what all the hype was about... Epic Fail...


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I could be wrong but I thought Nolva basically makes Clomid work better by pinning down the receptors, therfore allowing lower doses of Clomid. I use both and Aromasin. Works for me.