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Hey Guys,

In general how long do you wait before accepting that you have been scammed, in my case from a domestic supplier?

Thanks,
 
that sucks if its true could be other factors usualy domestic are pretty quick in my short expierence
who was it and how long have you been waiting did you get confirmation
 
Common man give some details, keep the name quiet , but tell us what's going on ?


" Caann youuu dig itttt ! "
 
Ordered Oct 16th or 17th and did the wire-transfer that night, replied to email with funds transfer info
10 days later with no communication, sent an email asking about the order, next day get a reply that it's "going to ship" the day after that
Sent two more emails with no response and 19 days later still no order
 
There has been a few issues with some raw materials from a while back. If you're speaking of any of the reputable labs from Evo, your situation should get resolved fairly soon, hopefully.
 
I'm not out all that much, it's was just dbol and nolva. That's what killing me and keeping me on the fence is, it is a reputable lab from evo and a couple other boards. From everything I've seen and read seems like a real stand up guy.
Regardless I should of got tracking info or simply told, hey there was a problem its going to be a little slow. I know and it's no problem you know?

It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to chase after them asking where's my stuff after almost 2 weeks, then wait out a third week only to have to start asking where is my stuff get ignored and a couple days later chase after them again.
 
yeah I made order on Oct 14th, close to same thing. No $ pickup confirmation, asked for update and got email back Oct 27th that $ would be picked up soon and nothing since then... I am beginning to lose patience but 'life happens' with small businesses. I personally am planning to give it another 1-2wks and then start asking questions, let me know what you decide to do. If your post count was up id send you a PM and see if its same ppl
 
SJC921 said:
Hey Guys,

In general how long do you wait before accepting that you have been scammed, in my case from a domestic supplier?

Thanks,
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Dude...why are posting this now? You've already left a bad review in the review section. I am waiting on my order also but I can tell you that the lab you are talking about is g2g. You just need to understand that he didn't plan on what happened any more than we did. He maned up and made it right when he could of just let it go. In my book that says a lot about a lab. You should be a little more patient considering the circumstances.
 
He actually had another personal instance happen. But I don't think it's my place to say. Just letting you know he's had some bad luck lately. I'm sure he will make it right very soon
 
yeah, I think same company. My order was quite a bit more than that, still sucks. I doubt our money is gone, just tied up a bit.
 
Yeah guys, only give bad reviews for bunk or under-dosed gear. Processing mishaps aren't a never occurring thing. Shit happens. I know of whom you're speaking of, and I would bet you're on the list of others who are also going to be done legit. Bad reviews shouldn't be given because of technicalities - especially when it's being addressed, and was stated it would be addressed. That's not cool, dudes. Have some patience and it'll pay off for you.
 
Honestly because I'm not sure what the acceptable time to wait is. It's my first order with them and it's part venting while telling myself there has to be some logical reason because it doesn't make sense.

What exactly happened? Because I have not heard a thing other than last Tuesday my stuff was shipping out.
 
Sorry bro, it's not my place to say. If he wants it known he will tell it. But I can say he should back up now so I'm sure he will be catching soon.
 
Mattdogg said:
"Scammed" and the lab you're speaking of shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
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I would agree based on everything I've read, and like I said seems like a stand up guy.

But not being told anything, one way or the other and having my emails ignored, plus the length of time
 
Saxon369 said:
Sorry bro, it's not my place to say. If he wants it known he will tell it. But I can say he should back up now so I'm sure he will be catching soon.
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Sorry didn't mean for you to tell me his personal biz, but you acted like I should know when I've been in the dark for 20 days and only hunted back down the forum after emails were getting ignored
 
Yeah, your frustration and disappointment is definitely understandable. Hang in there man, a few people are in the same boat with you.
 
Mattdogg said:
Yeah, your frustration and disappointment is definitely understandable. Hang in there man, a few people are in the same boat with you.
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Hey man, just knowing that I'm not the only one and there is other stuff going on makes it dealable.
A little communication goes a long way.

Dumb question can I not edit or delete my review?
 
just out of curiosity, how did you get that labs contact?

I ask because you made your first posts here today and most labs dont sell to 0 post count users and also there was a person impersonating that particular lab on reddit recently. Is it possible OP got scammed by the impersonator?
 
birches said:
just out of curiosity, how did you get that labs contact?

I ask because you made your first posts here today and most labs dont sell to 0 post count users and also there was a person impersonating that particular lab on reddit recently. Is it possible OP got scammed by the impersonator?
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oh crap - yes - the plot thickens
 
Yessir, I was thinking the same thing bro. The dudes legit and g2g just be patient if it is him, he will make it right bro he is a stand up dude for real.
 
I reaaaalllly have a ton of homework due for finals, but...I...can't....get...away...
Lol. This stuff is too good, you can't find all this on General Hospital or The Young and the Restless.
 
I kept reading about Robo and BW all over the internet. I was going crazy looking for either's website until I joined here and finally found out via their profiles it was email only.
So via email I requested their lists, placed an order and followed the instructions for payment.

I've known people and known people who knew people, and I've done the wait 2-4 week for stuff from Turkey website. But these two orders were my first ever doing the email only thing.
 
I kept reading about Robo and BW all over the internet. I was going crazy looking for either's website until I joined here and finally found out via their profiles it was email only.
So via email I requested their lists, placed an order and followed the instructions for payment.

I've known people and known people who knew people, and I've done the wait 2-4 week for stuff from Turkey website. But these two orders were my first ever doing the email only thing.
 
Bwl is slow.
20 days for an order is unacceptable for a domestic source.
Shoudnt be taking orders if he cant keep up with them or doesnt have the products in stock.
Dont care how "legit" he is. I can get A+ gear on here and receive it the day after payment. 3 days max.
May as well have just ordered from overseas
 
SJC921 said:
I kept reading about Robo and BW all over the internet. I was going crazy looking for either's website until I joined here and finally found out via their profiles it was email only.
So via email I requested their lists, placed an order and followed the instructions for payment.

I've known people and known people who knew people, and I've done the wait 2-4 week for stuff from Turkey website. But these two orders were my first ever doing the email only thing.
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First off... how did you get email invite on EVO with under 50 posts bro? In fact bro ive never seen you before this so thats an interesting story.
 
ok im gonna say my take on these bcus i personally have contact with Z Black widow labs, imsorry that the process is slow but sometimes thats what you gotta deal with when you dealing with illegal drugs bro, from my knowledge at the moment Z is crazyy bussy but ur not getting scammed bro and i can assure uuu my word ur getting ur product its just that at the moment Z is running pretty much everything on his own bro and maybe most likely he will compensate u from this little issue his having at the moment.

**Wufo**
 
Wufo said:
ok im gonna say my take on these bcus i personally have contact with Z Black widow labs, imsorry that the process is slow but sometimes thats what you gotta deal with when you dealing with illegal drugs bro, from my knowledge at the moment Z is crazyy bussy but ur not getting scammed bro and i can assure uuu my word ur getting ur product its just that at the moment Z is running pretty much everything on his own bro and maybe most likely he will compensate u from this little issue his having at the moment.

**Wufo**
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Dealing with illegal things (schedule lll) isnt an excuse for slow shipping.
There are sources on SR2 that deal with much riskier items who ship 3-5 days. Stop dick riding. Its unacceptable.
 
User you could of just said google bro lol. I see your point but its not the best idea imo to give out info even if its easily accessible
 
Oh and I dont use BWL so no dick ridding on my part. I will say that 20 days is way to long but jusg to give a 9 post OP the benifit of the doubt over a good evo source is ludicrous imo bro
 
JDizzle said:
User you could of just said google bro lol. I see your point but its not the best idea imo to give out info even if its easily accessible
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Giving out info thats on google and this website..
Riiiight.
If im out of line mods delete my posts.
In a shit mood.
 
JDizzle said:
Oh and I dont use BWL so no dick ridding on my part. I will say that 20 days is way to long but jusg to give a 9 post OP the benifit of the doubt over a good evo source is ludicrous imo bro
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While i agree with what you are saying, this isnt the first time ive heard of this crappy eta time.
Op will get his gear. When? No clue.
 
i love bwl an consider him a stand up guy ..but such a long wait on domestic..and iggnored emails to go on top of that, is asking for a bad review.I sure he knows this.Lets be fair now.
 
That being said,.bwl is not going to scam you.He will catch up and maybe if he takes care of you.You can fix your review..Not sure if admin allows that.
 
hurricane said:
That being said,.bwl is not going to scam you.He will catch up and maybe if he takes care of you.You can fix your review..Not sure if admin allows that.
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Amen brother.
Pretty much what i was getting at.
No one is above a bad review and if a domestic source is becoming sub par, it needs to be noted for other members in the community.
Too many good sources here to wait 20 days for a domestic pack.
 
Man!!! This thread tookkkk off sense I logged off last night. Lol

While I agree with what userbrah and hurricane are saying.....I still think a op with only a 9 post count shouldn't be posting a thread labeled
" scammed " about a legit source because of a more than usual wait time. Especially when it's been noted on here about all the problems BWL has been having at the moment. I'm just sayen... If he had really put his time in and researched a little more. Then he could of made a better choice if he wanted it faster. Don't slander a lab just because of some shipping errors when the lab has openly admitted that he's having these problems. But then on the other hand...I also find it strange that BWL replied to the op without and invite. Oh well

Stranger things have happened! Lol
 
Sometimes shit happens, even with very good sources, and turnaround times can be delayed. It happens to everyone at some point.
 
Ok will clear it up now with the bad Raws that I got I had over 70 orders that I had to redo. Not only that I have had every batch tested to make sure that this will never happen again so with three batches in order to make the original stuff go I am now sitting at six batches and I'm not even all the way caught up. I am not only dealing with people on evil but I am also in the same situation with reddit. Yes I have been very vague and answering emails as I have had multiple upon multiple replies to updates as I said the things will go out I am taking care of the orders with the test first as they were the first ones in. Your order has been looked at and I have always said if you have any concerns to PM me as that is the fastest way to get a hold of me. Not only that last Friday I got T-boned driving home from work. So Monday Tuesday I actually was moving around okay and now I am back in full swing and making sure the shit still going back out. Nobody has been scammed by me and nobody will yes your order might take a little bit longer but if you PM me over dbol and Nolvadex order I might be able to fit that in but in any circumstance you could've pm me as I have over 70 emails that I have not even touched as it is people asking for updates people asking for lists and right now I am not taking in any new orders until all this is caught up as I posted in reddit no tracking will be given for the recall as it will take to long to try and match the names with the orders but all orders will be taken care of.if not a refund will be given


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Saxon369 said:
Man!!! This thread tookkkk off sense I logged off last night. Lol

While I agree with what userbrah and hurricane are saying.....I still think a op with only a 9 post count shouldn't be posting a thread labeled
" scammed " about a legit source because of a more than usual wait time. Especially when it's been noted on here about all the problems BWL has been having at the moment. I'm just sayen... If he had really put his time in and researched a little more. Then he could of made a better choice if he wanted it faster. Don't slander a lab just because of some shipping errors when the lab has openly admitted that he's having these problems. But then on the other hand...I also find it strange that BWL replied to the op without and invite. Oh well

Stranger things have happened! Lol
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Only two labs ever asked me for a referral lol
Proform and AY.
I bullshitted my way to proforms list.
Jersey Devil wouldnt budge.
Had to stick around a few months for an AY referral LOL.
Glad i did.
 
userbrah said:
Only two labs ever asked me for a referral lol
Proform and AY.
I bullshitted my way to proforms list.
Jersey Devil wouldnt budge.
Had to stick around a few months for an AY referral LOL.
Glad i did.
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Not to difficult all these cats gotta do is go to review section contact info was in there for all labs.

Not sure if mine got taken out or not after I asked to have it removed


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userbrah said:
Only two labs ever asked me for a referral lol
Proform and AY.
I bullshitted my way to proforms list.
Jersey Devil wouldnt budge.
Had to stick around a few months for an AY referral LOL.
Glad i did.
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Oh reaaaallllly? Hmm. Imagine that. You bullshitting. lol
 
Z28blak said:
Not to difficult all these cats gotta do is go to review section contact info was in there for all labs.

Not sure if mine got taken out or not after I asked to have it removed


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Grg had asked to have his removed awhile back as well..
I believe theyre still up.
 
snackmachine said:
ProForm wanted theirs removed too - no dice. Kinda takes the private out of private lab. I often wonder why admin would not do as requested.
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No clue brother.
You would think they would comply as it is a security risk.
This is none of my business however but that makes 3 labs that would rather their email not be listed.
 
In order for any UGL to be listed on the Source Review Board, their contact information must be listed somewhere on Evo for all to find. Its a calculated compromise.
 
-SD- said:
In order for any UGL to be listed on the Source Review Board, their contact information must be listed somewhere on Evo for all to find. Its a calculated compromise.
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yep if you want to drink out of this lake you have to be willing to be led there. (I made that up)

to BWL, brother that sucks you got T boned.. hopefully that prick has good insurance and you hit the chiropractor asap to minimize damage.

get well.
 
***REMOVED AT USER REQUEST***


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Might want to take out that license plate buddy^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

-SD- said:
In order for any UGL to be listed on the Source Review Board, their contact information must be listed somewhere on Evo for all to find. Its a calculated compromise.
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The "all" in "all to find" was the issue to ProForm and ultimately had something to do with ProForm leaving the online community.

It is preferred to not get emails from Law Enforcement or people with zero posts. Hard to vet someone with zero posts to see if they are a bro and why give the enemy an in? Sorry - I feel it is a bad rule to require labs to post contact information. It cost EVO a good lab.
 
Z28blak said:
Yea noticed that after owell can't edit


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Yea that sucks not being able to take that out!

Damn Z!! Hate that happened man...that's a good looking ride! Well....was a good looking ride. Sorry bro, hope things look upward soon.
 
Saxon369 said:
Man!!! This thread tookkkk off sense I logged off last night. Lol

While I agree with what userbrah and hurricane are saying.....I still think a op with only a 9 post count shouldn't be posting a thread labeled
" scammed " about a legit source because of a more than usual wait time. Especially when it's been noted on here about all the problems BWL has been having at the moment. I'm just sayen... If he had really put his time in and researched a little more. Then he could of made a better choice if he wanted it faster. Don't slander a lab just because of some shipping errors when the lab has openly admitted that he's having these problems. But then on the other hand...I also find it strange that BWL replied to the op without and invite. Oh well

Stranger things have happened! Lol
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you dont know that by now bro? every other thread is turning to a paranoid scam thread on here.. or someone hijacking someone elses source thread to say ugls suck and to use pharma,even places with tons of happy customers..Its a trend on here now :p
 
You post picture of kilos of raws in homebrewer thread and now post pic of your license plate.
LOL im speech less.
We are all witnessing what the kids like to call an "epic fail" right now.
 
May as well just accept credit cards now and cash via mail.
Only a matter of time with a pic like that up.
 
hurricane said:
you dont know that by now bro? every other thread is turning to a paranoid scam thread on here.. or someone hijacking someone elses source thread to say ugls suck and to use pharma,even places with tons of happy customers..Its a trend on here now :p
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Yea your probably right hurricane. There are a few threads on here that I swear look like the drama filled ones on Meso. It really sucks if that's what it's going to become around here. Lol
 
hurricane said:
you dont know that by now bro? every other thread is turning to a paranoid scam thread on here.. or someone hijacking someone elses source thread to say ugls suck and to use pharma,even places with tons of happy customers..Its a trend on here now :p
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Man I hope you're wrong about it being the trend here now. I'm uber new here but definitely believe this forum is different and better than the rest. There's a lot of good dudes here helping a lot of people out and new guys like myself can see that. A thread like this isn't all negative, I've learned a thing or two just from reading through it. Now that 30+ pages I read through about a certain member, Mass Spec and testing gear on the other hand... lol.
 
Not downing anyone, but all the negativity seems to be stemming, MAINLY, from those with a couple hundred posts or less. I realize some peeps been here for ages, and have only this amount as well. I'm simply making a point from what I've noticed about the drama.
 
birches said:
not like it matters. that pic he posted is from august 2013 so probably not even him.

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2013/08/01/accident-2014-corvette-stingray-hit-by-a-lincoln-town-car/


http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-general-discussion/3315329-another-c7-accident.html
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Yep your right the wreck happened August 1 you want the whole story. That was the initial wreck as some would know I took some time off in July/ August to go be with family. This happened, and last Friday I got into another wreck which retweaked everything,and as this vett was the 2nd stingray to be wrecked and I am also a member of the Corvette forum along with many other forums as I am also a car enthusiast


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Yeah, its obvious Z has had some issues lately... And I thought the pic was a little funny. i'll give him benefit of the doubt tho. Im not gonna get shitty or post presumptuous things I don't know for sure about, and no one has actually gotten ripped of or scammed. One thing for sure is that it almost brought a tear to my eye to see that Vette in the pic lol
 
What I find funny is I told dude to pm me so I could ask him questions and I have gotten nothing so it takes two to make stuff flow right


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Z28blak said:
What I find funny is I told dude to pm me so I could ask him questions and I have gotten nothing so it takes two to make stuff flow right


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Z he has 9 posts lol. No pm coming from him hahaha
 
Yea so maybe this whole thing is a spoof idk I'm looking over emails now


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SJC921 said:
Hey Guys,

In general how long do you wait before accepting that you have been scammed, in my case from a domestic supplier?

Thanks,
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Are you in ohio bro I need some info


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I was going to question his legitimacy, Z is a stand up man , and mother fuckers better check themselves before they start talking bout being scammed by one of our own !


" Caann youuu dig itttt ! "
 
Flip Digler said:
I was going to question his legitimacy, Z is a stand up man , and mother fuckers better check themselves before they start talking bout being scammed by one of our own !


" Caann youuu dig itttt ! "
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I feel ya Flip! Was questioning this fool from the start. Even if he is legit, no reason to start throwing those accusations around just cause you don't have enough post to send a pm to Z. Fool hasn't put in any time on here at all.
 
If he's wrong or right I'll take care if him but with out me knowing screen names or what emails line up to what I have no clue


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Saxon369 said:
I feel ya Flip! Was questioning this fool from the start. Even if he is legit, no reason to start throwing those accusations around just cause you don't have enough post to send a pm to Z. Fool hasn't put in any time on here at all.
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Your order is getting sorted out tonight bro just and update


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Scammed by z?? U can all u get ur heads out of ur asses!! If z doesn't have the stock from some CRAZY REASON, I will gladly forward ANY PERTINENT BWL STOCK THAT I HAVE TO UR LOCATION. Y u say? Because z is good for it, he has MY TRUST.

If this is by chase a BS post to discredit BWL, go f urself!!!


THE GREEN MACHINE

CASCA
 
Flip Digler said:
I was going to question his legitimacy, Z is a stand up man , and mother fuckers better check themselves before they start talking bout being scammed by one of our own !


" Caann youuu dig itttt ! "
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So fucking agree im very pissed off for this 9 post new guy talking trash without doing proper research ns other mother fuckers who dont know shit about Z just wanna keep feeding the fire of anger.
 
Wufo said:
So fucking agree im very pissed off for this 9 post new guy talking trash without doing proper research ns other mother fuckers who dont know shit about Z just wanna keep feeding the fire of anger.
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Yeah, even after the entire situation has been explained numerous times...in this post alone too.
 
I honestly do not blame the people that are upset or angry as it has taken a little bit of time to get their orders processed longer wait than usual for sure. But at least I am being a man about the whole situation and I will realize that there was a problem with my product and I told everybody to take it off of their shelf. I could've been like oh well screw it part of the game. But that's not me


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I'm just a new guy, and I have more learning to do than a baby trying to figure out where its ass is. But I dig the support you guys have for your fellow brothers. That being said on these serious threads where you have a bunch of guys with testosterone dripping out of our pores... I always just want to throw out a "I like turtles", and walk away. To lighten the mood and get a few wtf's?
 
miahlaw13 said:
I'm just a new guy, and I have more learning to do than a baby trying to figure out where its ass is. But I dig the support you guys have for your fellow brothers. That being said on these serious threads where you have a bunch of guys with testosterone dripping out of our pores... I always just want to throw out a "I like turtles", and walk away. To lighten the mood and get a few wtf's?
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We all help each other here, Miahlaw, either with support or advice, or both. But I troll alot too, especially when there's nothing serious going on. It's kinda MY "I like turtles". The mods don't seem to mind - unless we start bashing peeps....then they scold us. lol. Yeah, I blame testosterone. :)
 
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