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hey bros, i'm on 1 gram of test and it's the third week and i'm dragging ass. I feel tired and lathargic. This is my fourth cycle so I have experience, but I've never been this tired. Anyone else have same experiences????
Chemically Enhanced
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Are you trolling?
I don't think anyone else would have your experience as I don't know of anyone here running 1g of test.
I don't think anyone else would have your experience as I don't know of anyone here running 1g of test.
What does this mean? It's not like saying I know how to ride a horse. Using gear more than once doesn't change human biology. I've LOADS of experience but I've still never used a gram of test a week. And you by your own experience of this cycle are tired on a gram a week. So you know what to do. Take less.
I don't know what to say. Are you asking this to humor us or are you really serious?
Have you thought about that maybe the reason why you are feeling that way has something to do with your super-high dosage?
And let me guess, you are not running any AI?
I don't even dare to think what your previous cycles have been like...
Have you thought about that maybe the reason why you are feeling that way has something to do with your super-high dosage?
And let me guess, you are not running any AI?
I don't even dare to think what your previous cycles have been like...
In light of the fact that is low levels of testosterone that induces tiredness not high levels of testosterone, I have to agree with the possibility that lighterchild has trolled us.
high testosterone means
1. more water retention
2. more andrgoenic sides
3. more weight gain
all 3 of those will cause lethargy. either run your cycle right or don't run it at all. nobody needs 1g of test a week to gain PERIOD. 500mg is a MAX DOSAGE..
1. more water retention
2. more andrgoenic sides
3. more weight gain
all 3 of those will cause lethargy. either run your cycle right or don't run it at all. nobody needs 1g of test a week to gain PERIOD. 500mg is a MAX DOSAGE..
fighting60
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I agree with Steve, why not use 400-500mg test and let deca or eq @ 500 mg do the heavy lifting instead of a gram of test. Or maybe an oral that doesn't aromatize. Your blood pressure must be through the roof.
While I deem the use of one gram of test' per week to be utterly irresponsible, I've known plenty of guys who use that much test' and even more per week. But never have I known any of them to complain of lethargy. So perhaps our lighterchild's problem has more to do with a lack of an AI.
And some just shouldn't. I suspect you're both right.
I don't think anyone should use that much test'.
That said, a friend of mine who happens to be a pro-bodybuilder/model is, currently, slamming 1500mg o' test' per week, along with entirely too much of a number of other drugs.* Yet he is also using aromasin in accordance with his hideously irresponsible cycle. As such, he is anything but lacking with respect to energy.
So again, I think that lighterchild has "gone light" on his AI plan.
* But, hey, what the hell, I'm a model, too; a "Before model."
what exactly do you expect when you are running test so wrecklessly and irresponsibly? if you cant answer your own question then just continue to learn the hard way
Fuck you Americans are so critical. Just judging and not helping at all.
Nothing wrong with a gram of test.
Lethargy would be either too hi or too low estrogen.
Typically too low holy shit then u have zero energy no matter what dose test ur on.
Sooo what are you running with the gram? Ai dose?
Sore knees, dry skin, falling asleep in the afternoon is typical of low estrogen. Mentally u can feel really depressed and ur mind is on loop
Viagra doesnt even help.
Hi and ur forehead may be much more oily, foggy mind. Viagra works
Nothing wrong with a gram of test.
Lethargy would be either too hi or too low estrogen.
Typically too low holy shit then u have zero energy no matter what dose test ur on.
Sooo what are you running with the gram? Ai dose?
Sore knees, dry skin, falling asleep in the afternoon is typical of low estrogen. Mentally u can feel really depressed and ur mind is on loop
Viagra doesnt even help.
Hi and ur forehead may be much more oily, foggy mind. Viagra works
EZ_E
Buff Brother
1G of test is OK on a 4th cycle? Maybe yes, maybe no.
Definitely not knowing the OP's stats/training history/cycle history.....
True. We need details to make any calls.
Yeah! So take that, Mobster, you typically overly critical and unhelpful Yank'!
Finally, it is a relief to know that not a single Aussie finds the injection of one gram of test' per week to be excessive. That's probably a factoid that every Jeopardy contestant needs to be aware of.
I'm out! I'm out! I'm out!
1g of test per week is flat out steroid abuse and irresponsible. Of course you are having issues. If you cant get results on 400mg per week then it is your diet and training that are the issue......not that you need to add more test.
Overly critical and unhelpful Canadian!
Chemically Enhanced
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I still blame Yanks. Overly critical and unhelpful. Lol
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Goddamn Yanks!
Let's be honest, more steroids = more size.
However it's also much worse health wise, more of a balancing act, more sides ect. But more steroids will make you bigger.
Unless of course you become so lethargic due to improper use and miss gym ect/or you're also not eating right.
Any type of steroid use except trt thro a doctor is steroid abuse.
Just depends how far you want to go with it.
Iv been blasting and cruising 5 years. But I have come to learn the importance of proper cruise lengths, and smaller doses are friendlier. But i was always like more more more. Just calming down seeing things differently as I get older.
Worst things from steroids I can think of is
-obvious gyno
-overuse of caber year round, untill you get dopamine agonist withdrawl(like comming of crystal meth, takes 6 months or more for dopamine to normalise)
-low or hi e
Particular low, I hate aromasin it can crash for extended periods and it's hell. Adex ftw. Too low, easy pop some dbol feel day or two and feel normal. Aromasin nope.
However it's also much worse health wise, more of a balancing act, more sides ect. But more steroids will make you bigger.
Unless of course you become so lethargic due to improper use and miss gym ect/or you're also not eating right.
Any type of steroid use except trt thro a doctor is steroid abuse.
Just depends how far you want to go with it.
Iv been blasting and cruising 5 years. But I have come to learn the importance of proper cruise lengths, and smaller doses are friendlier. But i was always like more more more. Just calming down seeing things differently as I get older.
Worst things from steroids I can think of is
-obvious gyno
-overuse of caber year round, untill you get dopamine agonist withdrawl(like comming of crystal meth, takes 6 months or more for dopamine to normalise)
-low or hi e
Particular low, I hate aromasin it can crash for extended periods and it's hell. Adex ftw. Too low, easy pop some dbol feel day or two and feel normal. Aromasin nope.
Nonsense. Once one's receptors are saturated - they're saturated; you're simply not going to derive further benefit. And it doesn't take gobs of juice to saturate one's receptors. Beyond 400mg of test' per week, as an example, one is simply inviting more estrogen-related side effects. I used to subscribe to the "more is better" way of thinking. But after eleven years of this life, I now understand that less is, in fact, more.
Nismo99
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Saturation of receptors is not as simple as you've outlined. Higher dosages will result in greater hypertrophy provided you are training and eating to support that growth. But with those higher dosages comes much greater sides and that's when the risks for most people will outweigh the benefits. Also keep in mind that 95% of steroids users are unwilling, unable, or do not desire to eat and train at the level necessary to support a cartoonish physique like that. I want a balanced life. It's extremely unhealthy and I think most of us on this forum do not aspire to live that lifestyle. Hence, we keep our dosages fairly low and understand and are happy with modest gains in lean muscle mass. This is a long game...and we only have one body. Treat it well. At least that's my thinking on it.
I agree. Well said.
I don't know about that because I've known huge bodybuilders who grew to be huge while using supraphysiological levels of AAS, and I've known huge bodybuilders who grew huge whilst employing reasonable to low levels of AAS. Clearly, idiotically huge amounts of AAS is not at all necessary.
My point precisely!
All true, Nismo. Ergo, huge bodybuilders who grew to be huge bodybuilders while using relatively responsible amounts of AAS owe their success to their willingness to "train at the level necessary to support a cartoonish physique," not to supraphysiological levels of AAS, no?
Even those that admit to their aas use often will downplay their dosages so people are like wow you achieved that with that little dose! Sooo people lie too. In real life I keep very very quiet about aas use. It's one of those things.
Although I seriously doubt that all of the guys I described in my previous post have lied to me, that is, in fact, a possibility. But I too transformed myself from a 5'11" 157lb. 49-year-old with 13% to 14% BF to a 5'11" 189lb 60-year-old with 8.3% body fat without ever using outrageous amounts of AAS. (And remember that all things are relative.)
So, by all means, Harry, keep to slamming and swallowing all the juice your stressed heart desires. But you're simply not going to convince anyone other than the uninitiated that supraphysiological levels of AAS are a prerequisite to growing significantly larger than one used to be.
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See? I told you I am "that good."
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1) Caber isn't a steroid
2) If true (how long to 'come off' that's another reason not use it).
3) Year round??
Yes. Yes, I know.
Nismo99
Active member
To be clear for everyone else reading this Eddie, any dosage of testosterone above about 150-175mg/week is considered supra-physiological. Also need to consider the genetic implications when it comes to dosages and results. One of your buddies may have better genetics than the next guy...hence a wide range of dosages that people are using. And so we are clear, I am in no way recommending or condoning high dose AAS use. But I think it's an oversimplification to say that 300mg of test will produce the same results as 1000mg of test in the same period of time.
I am not here to judge people or shame/ridicule people for using these substances because let's face it...anything about a TRT does is really a abuse/overdosing of the drug. But we measure the risk and duration we subject our bodies to these risks. I religiously do bloodwork several times during each cycle and try to mitigate as much of the risk as possible. Keeping dosages and durations low is probably the best way to reduce the risk of AAS use.
I am not here to judge people or shame/ridicule people for using these substances because let's face it...anything about a TRT does is really a abuse/overdosing of the drug. But we measure the risk and duration we subject our bodies to these risks. I religiously do bloodwork several times during each cycle and try to mitigate as much of the risk as possible. Keeping dosages and durations low is probably the best way to reduce the risk of AAS use.
