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His transdermals did absolutely nothing for me, his liquid t3 did fuck all. I can't talk for his caber, but they were different pills in the same container, which was fishy. His aromasin is capsules, but honestly I think it's no good. On the other hand, his albuterol was good. Would never go back or suggest anyone go there
Rockwilder
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For shits and giggles I tried the Test and Dbol transdermals, which had zero effect for me. I also bought, but never used the Aromasin, and eventually just threw it in the trash after not reading one single good thing about him to date.
Transdermal or caps, because the transdermals didn't do shit for anyone I have talked with myself included.
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I don't trust transdermals from anywhere personally. I haven't cared about them much. I've used test e, test c, masteron, winny caps and dbol, as well as albuterol and was pleased. I just heard the GH he's got is shitty. Not sure if that's true, but he's saying it's the best thing other than pharma grade. Only problem I've had is I got a bottle of winny instead of dbol by mistake which he fixed immediately so I got a free winny cycle. Just don't know why I'd get all the good stuff lol
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jbranken
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I've received bunk anavar from him twice. Once in tabs, once in caps. I dosed it up to 100mg ED to get something from it each time and NOTHING happened, not even close to what var can do. I received Test from him that I used for 4 weeks, got bloodwork done, and my T serum was at 395. He then told me he accidentally sent me EQ labeled as test. Wow. The aromasin was bunk, the tren E was underdosed, the caber was prami and made me sick as fuck... Need I say more? Don't fuck with this source. He was also using several different brewers at one time so you never knew what kind of gear you would get. When you call him out on his shit gear, he would offer up oil from his "best and personal brewer". So unknowing customers get the shit gear and the ones who call him out get the decent stuff? Lmfao. He's a scammer. Stay the fuck away and use a real lab like AY, robo, BWL, pharmacom..
Wow, bad story bro. He must be giving me good shit so I help him sell it. Definitely switching now. Especially now that I have all these good pharma grade websites that you guys like. I use to use alin shop but I'm gonna be looking for a new one. WHATS THE best source right now?
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LOL @ "accidentally" The dude had EQ LABELED AS TEST!!! Why the fuck would he label EQ as test? EQ is actually a little more expensive than test anyway, so he is not even a good scammer. But in reality it probably wasn't even EQ. It was probably just oil.
So you've been helping a scammer...hmmm... (totally joking, I don't think you intentionally or knowingly helped anyone scam)
Alin is another long time selective scammer (Alin, however has been a known selective scammer for a long, long time-but I don't think you have any affiliation with him either)
If you want pharma grade, use Alpha-Pharma brand. You can get it domestically from domestic-supply.com
Vermodje is also pharma. Pharmacom is a very good UG brand, with some of the best orals available right now. Oils are good also, but not as good as Alpha-Pharma oils.
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Moorepower
Growing Brother
Most all of it is bunk. I've seen some decent test & really legit clen & albuterol from him, I never used anything but Proviron & well I had a hard on all day everyday while on. So that was legit. Everything else is pretty much Crap or undersosdd
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Thanks CEO! Yes :/ I feel kinda shitty about that. Hard to know though because I literally have been pleased with all my shit. I've recommended him to a few people. Some have been happy and others not. Oh well, at least I know now. I figured EF wouldn't be recommending a scammer but hopefully they were just as surprised as I am. I'll be going to one of those you recommended from now on.
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From the beginning the guy was claiming his transdermals were providing 80% absorption. That's way higher than AndroGel or any other pharmaceutical transdermal will claim. So how did this guy with probably nothing much more than a HS education, working from his kitchen come up with a formula so much better than BigPharma with PhD's working in a lab all day with billions of research dollars at their disposal?
Can pharmacom orals be found at domestic supply? Or are these found in different places? I have a trustworthy test source forever, so all I'm really going to need in the future is MAYBE tren at some point, and for sure lots of short oral cycles.
Since putting myself on trt I'm planning to do maybe 2-3 short oral cycles a year instead of the long several month cycles I'm use to. To stock up on tbol, dbol, and winny would be great.
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jbranken
Advanced Cyborg Brother
Yea I've been getting my pharmacom oils and orals at DS. I know you from EF so of you're interested in any private sources, I'd be happy to help you out but you'll have to get your posts to 50 so we can pm lol
Cool man, thanks. You can never have too many sources
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Hmm... This makes me want to try dbol again. Whatever venom sent me was definitely some sort of anabolic but I didn't gain an ounce of water weight or any other kind of weight on it. 99.9% sure now that it was not dbol. Odd how his winny caps seemed outrageously strong yet his supposed dbol tabs which looked legit (pink little squares) seemed so weak. Damnit.
Does anyone know how often DS restocks their pharmacom dbol?
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jbranken
Advanced Cyborg Brother
Seems to take around 4+ weeks for restocks at DS. I do love that pharmacom though
He says pharmacom can be hard to get stock from sometimes. But he has alpha Pharma dbol and danabol blue hearts in stock right now.
He is constantly sending stock over here bro. It is demand that is unpredictable.
He said that everyone was crying for proviron, so he stocked a bunch then nobody bought it. His stock just sat for a couple months then he sold it all out within 2 weeks all of a sudden.
Same with primo. Nobody was asking for it. Then a few people asked about it so he sent 20 vials and they all sold within 24 hours.
Nobody was wanting tamoxifen before and now he says he is selling it like mad.
Yep. There are things that will always sell, like Test, dbol, deca, but things like proviron, primo, mast, etc. can be unpredictable. So then what? Stock a shitload of it because one week you sell it all out? Then you stock 2-3 times as much and it sits for months. And it's always the expensive stuff too, like primo or GH, etc.
Yeah sorry, I'm not buying it. Venom is great shit and I've made at least 7 orders since I found him and not one problem. He admits to fucking up the transdermals at first but he sent out over $10k in refunds to fix it. If any of you are affiliated with other shops, please refrain from spreading rumors for your own businesses. Thanks. People are stupid for buying transdermals anyway so if you had a problem with them then it doesn't say anything truly as he admits it was a screw up. He is not a scammer and I have more experience with him than probably anyone here, again without problems.
I'll add that I know of at least 3 others that love his stuff and will be repeats.
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I'll add that I know of at least 3 others that love his stuff and will be repeats.
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Thanks for giving your 2 cents man. I hate liars and I don't give a shit what the reason is unless it's lying to cops or the governement lol.
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Also for the record: I don't appreciate the discrediting lie that I "helped a scammer". That's a shady ass comment that's pretty obvious to any smart person. If you don't have an agenda however, then it's just an irresponsible rumor, especially when I bet you've never even tried venom gear.
For future reference, if anyone out there works for or is affiliated with another source please stay off my threads cause you're not getting my money.
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I have known him for a long time. Have been a long time customer and consider him a friend. He asked me to help him out when he got this site up. I agreed. Last time I got anything from him was in my last order back in December. He threw in a couple extras. About $120 worth. Not too unusual for him considering I've been a long time VIP customer.
Like you said you referred a lot of people to gator, I've referred a lot of people to DS because he is a great source that carries great gear. He's not the cheapest but the quality is worth it. And he's not that expensive either.
I don't order as much as I used to because I'm on TRT and get blood work done by my doc regularly. I can't be coming in with serum T levels of 5.000+++.
I never got anything from gator because he never sent my order. Besides nothing that guy makes in his kitchen will ever be as good as Alpha Pharma. And what I said about his transdermals still stands. No way he discovered some secret new formula that is 8 times more powerful than multi billion dollar BigPharma companies can come up with.
The comment about you helping scammers was posted tongue in cheek. I am pretty sure you wouldn't intentionally and knowingly do that. I apologize that wasn't more apparent. You didn't seem to be so upset about it a few days ago when I posted it.
But now you've talked to gator and he has told you god knows what about me. There have been a few people running around lately saying they know me and telling all kinds of lies about me. People I've barely has any interaction with on the boards and absolutely zero off the boards. Funny though. They claim to really know me and exactly how I am. Believe whatever you want man.
Sorry about my comment it really was not intended to slander you. I will remove it or edit it if you wish.
Gator did not tell me anything about you at all. I just presumed because of how much you seemed to want to discredit him. I don't trust transdermal from ANYONE even prescription so I will not defend his transdermals. I will defend his intention to be honest and do his best to give good products.
I didn't take it the wrong way when you first said it because I was having some doubts myself only because of hearing a few other not unhappy, but uncertain people, as if they didn't know what to even look for in a real steroid. Some people are dumb as rocks.
Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit assuming you were up to no good, so my apologies if I did.
All I know is I've heard from several happy customers,2 of whom are my good army buddies and I've so far not had any problems that weren't simply a mix up of two different but legit orals which He fixed immediately for me. This was before even referring him business so I was not special in any way. I heard about him through. EF like most everyone else here.
As far as my speculation on your order not being delivered... Well, we all know he had several issues with paypal as well as getting so much business all at once that he ended up getting in over his head. At least that's what I remember hearing. I highly doubt he intended to scam anyone and he lost a lot of money giving so many refunds over there. I don't even know this guy and he treats me great. I'll vogue for any of his oils, but I can't say anything about DS or those other places because I've never used them. I'm sure they are all accurately dosed and sterile just like venom's though. It's not that hard to make good gear.
The only thing he told me was that story about how elite fitness fucked him when they dropped him as a sponsor and deleted every venom thread ever created. (There were lots of good ones too). I'm just tired of shit talk when people don't know what they're talking about on thesethreads. No hard feelings. There's just far too many cock suckers on the forums that can flap their mouth from behind a keyboard without being held accountable for their words. In conclusion i think venom got in over his head and got way too much business at once which cause his house of cards to fall temporarily. Like I said I'm using his test cyp right now on a cruise/high trt and STILL happy. I even like his labels.
Sincerely, JS
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I didn't take it the wrong way when you first said it because I was having some doubts myself only because of hearing a few other not unhappy, but uncertain people, as if they didn't know what to even look for in a real steroid. Some people are dumb as rocks.
Perhaps I jumped the gun a bit assuming you were up to no good, so my apologies if I did.
All I know is I've heard from several happy customers,2 of whom are my good army buddies and I've so far not had any problems that weren't simply a mix up of two different but legit orals which He fixed immediately for me. This was before even referring him business so I was not special in any way. I heard about him through. EF like most everyone else here.
As far as my speculation on your order not being delivered... Well, we all know he had several issues with paypal as well as getting so much business all at once that he ended up getting in over his head. At least that's what I remember hearing. I highly doubt he intended to scam anyone and he lost a lot of money giving so many refunds over there. I don't even know this guy and he treats me great. I'll vogue for any of his oils, but I can't say anything about DS or those other places because I've never used them. I'm sure they are all accurately dosed and sterile just like venom's though. It's not that hard to make good gear.
The only thing he told me was that story about how elite fitness fucked him when they dropped him as a sponsor and deleted every venom thread ever created. (There were lots of good ones too). I'm just tired of shit talk when people don't know what they're talking about on thesethreads. No hard feelings. There's just far too many cock suckers on the forums that can flap their mouth from behind a keyboard without being held accountable for their words. In conclusion i think venom got in over his head and got way too much business at once which cause his house of cards to fall temporarily. Like I said I'm using his test cyp right now on a cruise/high trt and STILL happy. I even like his labels.
Sincerely, JS
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I don't really want to discredit him per say. I have just heard a lot of bros negative experiences. I've seen blood work posted from those using his transdermals which were bunk. I trust jbranken was being honest when he posted his experiences when he said he received Test from him that after using 4 weeks his serum T was 395. I think it is odd that gator admitted to sending him EQ that was labeled as Test. Maybe this was the "test" that produced the low serum T level? It must have been a mistake because EQ is more expensive than test. But if he made that mistake, what other mistakes could he be making?
Others too, have posted negative experiences using his gear. My biggest issue was and always has been with the transdermals that were all the rage with so many. I was always suspicious of them and after he told me about the 70-80% absorption rate, I knew he was flat out lying. You hate liars? Me too buddy. But your bro gator lied through his teeth about that snake oil. So yes, I would like to steer people away from using him based on my knowledge of him and his gear.
But you are also right, it is not hard to make "good" gear. It is hard to make pharmaceutical grade gear though. Unless you have access to a cleanroom and the highest quality raws, and the knowledge to use professional equipment. DS doesn't make any gear. He sells Alpha-Pharma, which is pharm grade gear made by professional contract pharma manufacturers in India (who happen to have international presence). These manufacturers also make drugs for BigPharma companies like Pfizer, et.al. I don't think any UGL can make gear as good as that. Pfizer, Watson, Sandoz, Paddock...are absolutely on the same page as Alpha-Pharma though. He sells a few other brands too (HG and UG), but doesn't make anything.
On some of your other points, I hear ya bro.
Again, nobody is having Problems with anything but the transdermals which is probably a really difficult thing to make. You agree that it's not an easy task. Also the word "bunk" at least to me insinuates lying on purpose which you have no proof of and actually all evidence suggests the opposite. How many others do you know that try to make a transdermal? Did you ever hear anyone who liked the transdermal? Because I did and so did others on EF but unfortunately they deleted all evidence so they could push another sponsor.
Again, I ordered dbol and got the best winny I've ever had. And then he sent free dbol as well to make up for it. Saying his transdermals don't work doesn't make him dishonest. Just means he wasn't successful. Don't forget he quickly ditched the first batch after hearing complaints and re made the whole lot. There were several that liked his transdermals actually and one of them was Psizzle. Yes she's a girl so doesn't speak for absorption amount, but still.
Isn't robolics a UGL? Also making pharma grade is only a matter of having beyond clean FDA type sterity standards which is not really THAT important. Anyone can create a sterile environment if they try a little.
So again, I'll end with yes his transdermals sucked at first and a bunch of people got mad. That's what people get when they want to go out on a ledge to make their company shine above the rest. Nobody else attempts transdermals so nobody else fails and is called a scammer because of honest mistakes. Nobody's perfect. I would even highly recommend getting a vial of oil of your choice and trying it out. I guarantee I WILL refund your money if it's bunk and I don't get shit by promoting it. I just know for a fact he has great oil and I know you wouldn't be unhappy if you got some.
I know you wouldn't take me up on that but that's how sure I am. I'm not trying to suck my own dick here, but anyone can look at me and know I don't use fake or underdosed gear, and I've been using him for a year now at least exclusively.
Anyway I'm glad this discussion played out. I understand your skepticism and others, but I felt the need to defend him because I KNOW he is no scammer, just dropped the ball in a hard situation. HAVE A GOOD DAY, CEO
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Again, I ordered dbol and got the best winny I've ever had. And then he sent free dbol as well to make up for it. Saying his transdermals don't work doesn't make him dishonest. Just means he wasn't successful. Don't forget he quickly ditched the first batch after hearing complaints and re made the whole lot. There were several that liked his transdermals actually and one of them was Psizzle. Yes she's a girl so doesn't speak for absorption amount, but still.
Isn't robolics a UGL? Also making pharma grade is only a matter of having beyond clean FDA type sterity standards which is not really THAT important. Anyone can create a sterile environment if they try a little.
So again, I'll end with yes his transdermals sucked at first and a bunch of people got mad. That's what people get when they want to go out on a ledge to make their company shine above the rest. Nobody else attempts transdermals so nobody else fails and is called a scammer because of honest mistakes. Nobody's perfect. I would even highly recommend getting a vial of oil of your choice and trying it out. I guarantee I WILL refund your money if it's bunk and I don't get shit by promoting it. I just know for a fact he has great oil and I know you wouldn't be unhappy if you got some.
I know you wouldn't take me up on that but that's how sure I am. I'm not trying to suck my own dick here, but anyone can look at me and know I don't use fake or underdosed gear, and I've been using him for a year now at least exclusively.
Anyway I'm glad this discussion played out. I understand your skepticism and others, but I felt the need to defend him because I KNOW he is no scammer, just dropped the ball in a hard situation. HAVE A GOOD DAY, CEO
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jbranken
Advanced Cyborg Brother
And what do you know? I have nothing to gain. My review is real and if you don't like it, well, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out buddy. You'll truly be missed. Or not.
I want to set the record straight about my post in this thread. I am NOT affiliated with ANY AAS SOURCE. My review of venom is 100% legit, every word, and I will stand by it no matter what. I've used or am using gear/ancillaries from DS, anabolshop, AY, Robo, and BWL. Basically, every decent lab on this board so I guess id have to be affiliated with all of them.
Jack: you're a good bro and I'm glad you've had a great experience with venom. I'm glad you haven't lost out on $$. But I can't in good conscience tell guys this lab is g2g or even close to it. Honestly, it sounds like selective scamming to me. Just being honest with you. I know var VERY well, and what I bought wasnt var, and I did it twice like a dumbass. 100mg of var should send my pumps through my skin with great vascularity and fat loss. None of that happened. I bought caber (which has always been side free for me) and it sent me to the toilet at night from being sick and kept me up all night. This is EXACTLY what prami does to me. I was cruising on test for a month then got my bloods. 395. I emailed him nicely stating "buddy, your test is crap" then attatched my bloods. He said "I talked to my chemist, we sent you EQ". It draws in a 25g like melted butter and I'll bet it was nothing but oil. I still have the shit too along with another unopened vial of it. He then sent me his "good test from his 'personal chemist'. I refuse to shoot it or that crap he called tren. I will trade you this unopened gear if you like it, because I won't use his stuff after all of these experiences.
Once again, this is why I will never recommend him here. No agenda, just personal experiences and about 4-5 orders total from him. I also have every email we ever exchanged if you don't believe me. Like I said, I'm seriously happy that you like your gear but I just want to let you know for future purposes why I'll never recommend this lab here. No hard feelings
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Jack, I'm not attacking you, so don't take any of this personally, but what about jbranken's test from gator that gave him 395 serum T levels?
He made a mistake on transdermals? Was it a mistake to claim they provided 70-80% absorption? Or just a flat out lie in pulling a big number out of his ass without any empirical evidence to prove that? When he told me that I knew he was full of shit so I just didn't trust him anymore. He told everyone that and needto helped him spread that BS too. I spoke up about it numerous times on EF but people still bought the transdermals. Was anyone besides Psizzle happy with them? I saw a lot of accounts like we saw in this thread, where they didn't do anything. At least one guy (maybe two, I can't remember now) posted blood work and his Serum T was in the dumps but so was his LH/FSH. So there was some test in his transdermal, but it either wasn't being absorbed nearly as well as he claimed (shocker!) or it was severely underdosed. Probably both.
So he lied to me and to everyone about his transdermals. That is all I need to know that I don't trust him and don't want to do business with him and I would suggest to others not to do business with him based on that. You should understand that since you are a guy that "hates liars and I don't give a shit what the reason is unless it's lying to cops or the governement." Right?
Again, nothing personal, I just don't like your source because he lied to everyone. He may have some good oils, even though he might mistakenly sell EQ as test, or something like that. But I don't trust him. It's simple. Nothing to do with you at all. You seem like a good bro. I'm glad you get good gear from him, and maybe he's never lied to you so you have no reason to doubt or hate him. At least you were smart enough to never believe his lies (that he apparently never told you directly) about the transdermals.
Have a great day brother.
No one is saying everyone who had problems is lying bro. But SOME do.
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Jack, I'm not attacking you, so don't take any of this personally, but what about jbranken's test from gator that gave him 395 serum T levels?
He made a mistake on transdermals? Was it a mistake to claim they provided 70-80% absorption? Or just a flat out lie in pulling a big number out of his ass without any empirical evidence to prove that? When he told me that I knew he was full of shit so I just didn't trust him anymore. He told everyone that and needto helped him spread that BS too. I spoke up about it numerous times on EF but people still bought the transdermals. Was anyone besides Psizzle happy with them? I saw a lot of accounts like we saw in this thread, where they didn't do anything. At least one guy (maybe two, I can't remember now) posted blood work and his Serum T was in the dumps but so was his LH/FSH. So there was some test in his transdermal, but it either wasn't being absorbed nearly as well as he claimed (shocker!) or it was severely underdosed. Probably both.
So he lied to me and to everyone about his transdermals. That is all I need to know that I don't trust him and don't want to do business with him and I would suggest to others not to do business with him based on that. You should understand that since you are a guy that "hates liars and I don't give a shit what the reason is unless it's lying to cops or the governement." Right?
Again, nothing personal, I just don't like your source because he lied to everyone. He may have some good oils, even though he might mistakenly sell EQ as test, or something like that. But I don't trust him. It's simple. Nothing to do with you at all. You seem like a good bro. I'm glad you get good gear from him, and maybe he's never lied to you so you have no reason to doubt or hate him. At least you were smart enough to never believe his lies (that he apparently never told you directly) about the transdermals.
Have a great day brother.
AGAIN: the transdermal were ADMITTEDLY not good by gator himself. That's why he tried to give so many refunds.
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I heard the transdermal claims, but this was an experimental drug. To expect perfection right away is naive IMO. And yes even naive on his part for making a bold claim that wasn't for sure yet. I agree with you there. But if we want to call that a lie, then phytoserms makers are liars, test stack 17 are probably liars, and just about any company that exaggerates on a product. So the whole industry is a big fat liar.
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Everyone is free to do what they want obviously, no one has to use him lol. I just think calling the whole lab bad instead of a specific product is irresponsible.
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Anything liquid that isn't supposed to be made that way OPTIMALLY I'm not touching anymore. Liquids are a shady idea IMO. Injectables I trust for sure. And the caps or tabs. Although I always check to make sure a wrong #sticker wasn't put on by mistake. He puts batch #s on bottom of orals to know which is which, since he doesn't want to clearly mark them if caught. They're all marked joint supps. It's prob pretty easy to mix up in a UGL setting if they aren't well organized
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Are mistake made by him? For sure. Even my friend got denied a transdermal refund because he waited too long to claim it. But he still orders and apparently his GH is legit because people keep ordering through my buddy so... Anyway.... Lol I'm spent!
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So he sent out his test batch to be bought and tested by paying customers? Wow. I can't expect perfection, but I expect honesty. "Bold claim?" How about "Bold lie" to be more accurate? He didn't know what the fuck he was doing with that shit. Androgel and other BigPharma transdermals state 10% absorption. The minute this guy told me 70-80%, I knew it wasn't a "bold claim" but an all out fucking lie. Sorry, but I am not of the same benevolent opinion of this liar as you are.
I am surprised, considering your proclaimed stance against liars, how forgiving you are of this liar. But when you thought someone might be lying, you took a very unforgiving stance. And again your stance against TS17, RLS, and other supp companies as being liars seems much more harsh than your stance on gator. Hell, you don't even consider him a liar...just a "bold claimer" I guess? Oh and a guy who makes frequent mistakes apparently. Sounds like a source I would want to avoid and tell others to avoid. By all means though, keep using him. But every time you say how good he is here, expect others to chime in against him.
Nathan himself said he had a fantastic transdermal cycle and he's the one who recommended him to everyone else and no one bashes him for it and don't get me wrong, I'm NOT saying he should be. I'm saying shit happens. I bet you could get your money back now if you tried.
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He fucking lied straight to me and all of EF by claiming that absurd 70-80% absorption rate to sell his fucking junk transdermals. Even you admitted that was outrageous. I'm wondering why you are trying to cover for him so badly when you clearly stated how much you hate liars? Or was that only when you were trying to imply something about me? Pretty hypocritical of you trying to explain away and minimize his lies, while claiming to hate liars so much.
He also didn't refund everyone as even you stated, as one of your friends did not get his refund. Intent to deceive? Yes. Malicious? I'd say so, yes.
I call him a big fat fucking liar, yes I do. Is lying the same as "fucking up without meaning to" by your definition?? I'm pretty sure gator meant to lie about his transdermals.
Call the rest what you will. Give me a specific example and I may even agree.
Nathan is a liar too. Everyone knows that. I'd be willing to bet he probably never tried the stuff. Using him as an example is a weak argument. I never took anything he said at face value without doing my own investigation if I was so inclined. Fuck, the guy is a heroin addict. Addicts will say and do anything.
And again, I was publicly outspoken against the transdermals from the beginning after hearing the claims of absorption. I think the threads were all deleted after a while if nothing else but to minimize the publicity for gator.
"Shit happens" is a lot different from a guy making outlandishly false claims about some homebrewed transdermal AAS.
You say it's agree to disagree, but you are defending this guy hard. Minimizing his lies, etc. At this point I would think it would be best to just continue to use his stuff and enjoy it instead of trying so hard to defend him. It is what it is. He lied to a bunch of people, refunded some, but not all. Made mistakes, but lying about the absorption rate of his transdermals wasn't a mistake, it was a lie. Even when Nathan Chase said it.
At this point everything has been said a few times over. Nothing new has been said. It is a difference of opinion. I call it lying, you call it making mistakes. If your wife/girlfriend/kid lied to your face I bet you wouldn't call it making a mistake.
Oldjarhead
Growing Brother
You really think I can get some of my money back I bought some of his transdermals ?
I wish that could happen, I got a bunch of that crap laying around.
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Oldjarhead
Growing Brother
Water under the bridge I prefer pinning now
Had pleasant dealings with Venom, however like most, feel bit silly as purchased some transdermals too - more fool me. I also have some Gator Venom anavar and based on others experience in this thread, its likely not to be VAR, therefore I wont use it. But, I might purchase a drug test kit to test this VAR and work out exactly what it is, cant lie about those tests and will happily post the test results up and we will let those speak for themselves.
Yes, in fact I just now read an email from him saying he would try to refund some of y'all if y'all emailed him now that he isn't swamped with back orders and having to get the wrench out of his gears so to speak.
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Almost everything you buy at the grocery store,at best buy, you name it is a big fat lie my friend. The whole world market is based on total lies. I'm not a hypocrite at all but I do recognize honesty when I see it and you're simply making a jackass of yourself by coming back to this thread flapping your lips again. I'll repeat any LOGICAL, RATIONAL person realizes people make mistake and you know what fuck it. You have paypal? How much did you spend on trans?? I'm gonna get your money back so you can shut the fuck up. You're obviously bitter which I understand but I sort of doubt you tried very hard to get a refund in the first place, why? Because I know venom way better than I know you at this point and I can say he is more honest by far. You just seem content to argue about a company you've had one bad experience with, meanwhile others are cleaning up the physique stage with his juice. Do yourself a favor and just stop attacking. You have DS, you like DS so shut up and use DS. I don't give a fuck, but if you want a refund give me your info please.
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Can I request that every Drop transdermals please? We all know it's a dumb idea. I was smart and bought proven gear as did some others. If anyone got bad transdermals it still says nothing other than he fucked up trying to be gimmicky. Again, mistakes do not prove malicious intent, and AGAIN he just told me this morning he'd be willing to consider some more refunds if y'all emailed him. My Roomie got fucked, but it looks like he's changed his mind on it.
Also, CEO, no denying my roomate his refund on transdermals wasn't malicious to me or to him because he has received a lot of other free stuff from gator for ordering often.
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I've done a lot of mean things to friends in the past, and some I was able to apologize to over the years, and some I just wasn't able. That doesn't mean that I'm glad I hurt that one or 2 people I didn't get to say sorry to. Likewise disorganization can screw up a persons business.
I'd also like to add that transdermals going bad for some reason could've happened as I remember others posting blood work on trans and it came out good.
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I'd also like to add that transdermals going bad for some reason could've happened as I remember others posting blood work on trans and it came out good.
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Nothing Personal CEO honestly. Why am I taking time to stick up for him? Because I know for a fact that he's a good guy and meant no harm. Have you ever known ANYONE else to give refunds on gear FOR ANY REASON??? Probably not. Especially not as much as he did. If we're going to get picky then we have to call everyone scammers that have made a mistake by you throughout history if seems. If you give me your info I can send it through and help you out. Or you can email him at the same address he use to have.
I believe in honesty and logic and in nobody's version of common sense do we say "he's a scammer!" Just because you had some order mishaps and one certain product had issues with effectiveness. You're no debate team captain so let's just work on getting your money back shall we??
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I believe in honesty and logic and in nobody's version of common sense do we say "he's a scammer!" Just because you had some order mishaps and one certain product had issues with effectiveness. You're no debate team captain so let's just work on getting your money back shall we??
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I'm sure some are wondering why I feel it's worth my time to back venom up so much, and I'll tell you. I'm a politics person and this is politics at its best. I value MY word and reputation, and I value my own honesty in every situation even if it's talking to people I don't know online. Not using a source because you don't trust them is one thing but if I can be successful at proving the truth about a person who I know is not a scammer then I will, especially when he has treated me and my friends well. I also love to help people when I can and it seems I'm in a unique position to help out some of you guys who are jaded from past fuck ups. Is it my job to do this? No way. I wish. Am I going to get anything out of helping y'all? Probably not. Maybe I can score some free winny or something who knows. But venom has written me a long email telling me he appreciates it and that he might even be willing to give some more refunds if some of y'all would contact him. If this still sounds like a scammer to anyone then by all means ignore me, but you may as well try.
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I agree. But the refund offers still stand and I'm sure jbranken that means you too bud. I'm just trying to help out some of y'all who had bad experiences without being called a hypocrite or scammer helper :/
And again, I get nothing out of this whatsoever. It's out of my desire to help that's all.
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I'm requesting this thread be done. If anyone is interested in getting a refund they never got from venom just PM me and I'll try to help out as a middle man. Again I have no affiliation whatsoever. Just a happy customer wanting to help.
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But you still buy all the stuff and gator's stuff too, right? I guess you don't hate liars as much as you originally led us to believe then? Or is it just when you think I might be a liar?
you seem to miss everything I'm saying. OK, I'm not 'pretty sure" he meant to lie about the absorption of his transdermals. I'm positive. If he said 20-25%, I could understand that being an optimistic mistake. However, he told everyone his transdermals were providing 70-80% absorption. That is far from a mistake. It is just a lie.
I don't know how much more plainly I can put that. I'm sure you are understanding what I am saying, but you are deflecting and redirecting in attempt to minimize or cover that lie. It's cool. I'm not bitter and I'm not attacking brother, just telling you what he told me and everyone else and why I would not recommend him. It really is as simple as that.
You are taking all this way too personally. You're not gator are you? Why would you offer to refund anyone personally if you're not him? Just don't worry about it. Keep using him and referring people to him, and I will keep advising people not to use him.
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Jack, I've always liked you. I can tell you there's no politics involved on my part. I use DS, I use Robo and BWL also and I recommend them to people as well as DS. And I've used many other UGLs in the past as well.
Glad to hear gator has abandoned all this transdermal crap. Glad to hear he is also offering to refund more people. Maybe he can refund kfriesen for the liquid T3, m88tow for his var, jbanken for the two orders of var, test that was actually EQ, aromasin, tren e, caber that was actually prami. That doesn't include any of the transdermal stuff.
I'm not worried about you having an agenda anymore. That was only my initial suspicion. I just wanted to attempt to clear the air with venom and help some people out if possible. I've never had beef with you either I just have a temper and have the personality of a lawyer. Things like this get to me too easily and I should probably not juice because of it HA! Jk but having said that I'm dropping the subject because I'm simply too argumentative. The help offer is there, or like I said above, he said you could email him yourself if you want. If you do please let me know so I can help hold him to his word.
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I think whomever makes it just makes it. The manufacturer got a formula from someone and put the ingredients together and put it in a bottle. Any label claims or marketing claims are on the retailer or distributor, etc. The manufacturer didn't have anything to do with that in this case.
As far as claims from people selling it, I honestly couldn't tell you what claims are being made. As far as I know the stuff is marketed as a natural test booster, right? I've never used it and never plan to. If anyone were to ask me about it I couldn't tell them anything about it nor recommend it. I could only tell them to do some thorough research by reading the forums and asking around to others who have used it, and hopefully they could provide some blood work results as well. I would say though to be cautious of overly optimistic claims, and don't believe any of it without doing a lot of research. I am well aware of such claims in the supplement industry.
He said go ahead and email him if you have that. Otherwise those people can PM me and ill give them the address so they can discuss details. I'm sure he'll need to contact them specifically to be sure they really made the order and not just some dude who saw my thread trying to get free stuff
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any natural supp that claims to be better than real testosterone is bullshit.
367%? My natty test levels before I started TRT were 50, so Phytoserms would have allegedly increased them 367% (50 x 3.67) to 183.5? But 200mg of Test Cyp puts me between 800-1100. I think I will stick with my test cyp and not waste my money.
did you happen to get any blood work done while on phytoserms? That would be interesting to see.
any natural supp that claims to be better than real testosterone is bullshit.
367%? My natty test levels before I started TRT were 50, so Phytoserms would have allegedly increased them 367% (50 x 3.67) to 183.5? But 200mg of Test Cyp puts me between 800-1100. I think I will stick with my test cyp and not waste my money.
did you happen to get any blood work done while on phytoserms? That would be interesting to see.
Lol EXACTLY!! No I never bothered to get bloods.
Btw CEO I believe you paid and didn't get your gear, so don't think I posted the last pic to emphasize what he said about not remembering etc. but yeah hit him up if you want.
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Oldjarhead
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Ok I just sent him a email we'll see..... Thanks .
No problem man! I just want I see some harmony and some shredded mother fuckers!
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krazieone56
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Amen to that!
KRAZIEONE
KRAZIEONE
Your a good man jack!
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Funny thing, when I ordered my transdermals, he sent me that gel shit. When I was unhappy he sent me a bottle of his"new formulation" which was liquid. which is ironic to me now because he sent me the liquid after the gel. Now you have communications saying he doesn't remember how long ago he made the liquid, yet he told me it was his "new formulation" hmm mm....
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OATMEAL12
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I have used Gator Twice. Really nice guy, good communication, and promptly answered all my annoying little questions.
I was in a pinch one time with money and was 4 weeks in with some shitty ass Underground lab that caused me bed ridden pip. I told him my situation and he shipped my gear for free and told me to pay him back when I could. I paid him back 1 week later.
His oils are good to go, smooth like butter and put me well in the 4000 ng/dl range. Oral Dbol was legit.
The transdermals were meh to me though. Not anything I would recommend but everything else seemed to be alright.
I was in a pinch one time with money and was 4 weeks in with some shitty ass Underground lab that caused me bed ridden pip. I told him my situation and he shipped my gear for free and told me to pay him back when I could. I paid him back 1 week later.
His oils are good to go, smooth like butter and put me well in the 4000 ng/dl range. Oral Dbol was legit.
The transdermals were meh to me though. Not anything I would recommend but everything else seemed to be alright.
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