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Chemically Enhanced
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You don't have to stop.
I've been using various AAS for 5 or 6 years straight, only came off to get wife pregnant. Now getting back into it again.
I've been using various AAS for 5 or 6 years straight, only came off to get wife pregnant. Now getting back into it again.
florencenoir
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For the rest of your life if you want.
Testosterone is used to treat men with hormone deficiency, that is, it can last a lifetime.
However, remain in supraphysiological doses is not a good idea. If you are a healthy male is not a good idea either.
What you need to ask yourself is:
Are you sure you want it for life if you don't need it?
Are going to pin yourself at least 2x a week for the next 50 years?
Are you going to have resources to pay for the drug, doctor, exams, to control side effects and to treat any issue that could appear?
It's not a frivolous choice. You don't go for lifetime TRT just because you enjoy the effect of being on Test. Well, I wouldn't.
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if you want to recover and stay healthy keep the cycles at 12 weeks or less. even 10 weeks or less!
if you don't care about your HPTA or organ health then fuck it, run it year round at high dosages like all these social media guys. and then you can die at 47 and say you choked on food as a cop out like they do
if you don't care about your HPTA or organ health then fuck it, run it year round at high dosages like all these social media guys. and then you can die at 47 and say you choked on food as a cop out like they do
E32038
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Steve - wouldn't it depend on the amount? He can run test at low doses like (125mg - 200mg) a week as long as he keeps his estrogen in check. Little to no issues. If he's running 1000mg a week, well that's a different story. I know guys on TRT that have been on it for years and maybe the evidence / studies aren't out there long enough to know the true effects, but they don't have anything majorily negative to my knowledge. Look at Joe Rogan for instance. He's been running test for about 10 years now, claims to have never gone off and he's in near perfect health from what he says. Granted, Rogan has the $ to do other things to stay healthy too so that may be a factor, but just playing devil's advocate.
E32038
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Mobster - so in your opinion you feel TRT guys should go off completely for a bit too? I'm asking because I truly don't know and was told by multiple doctors and other people on TRT that it's not necessary. I've also hard both Mike Cernovich and Jay Cutler (4 time Mr. Olympia) talk about TRT and Jay has talked about TRT and now it's unnecessary to go off if you follow your doctor's orders. I've been on it a year and 3 months with one complete "other" cycle under my belt and currently finishing up my PCT for my "other" cycle. I'm going to wait a couple months while I continue my TRT and probably in September do another cycle of better shit than what I got from Mexico awhile back. 
Chemically Enhanced
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Guys go on TRT because their nuts aren't making enough T anymore. Why someone on TRT would want to come off? To get their nuts going again and produce that miserable low T level, which was the reason they started TRT in the 1st place? Come on! And how TRT being a TRT, which is supposed to replace the natural low T level, is going to give anyone organ damage? Please explain.
E32038
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My thoughts exactly, Chemically Enhanced. But what do I know? I think the main question should have clarified when he says 'what's the longest time I can run test only" that's why my first question was "how much". Like I said, if he's running a TRT dose, which should be no more than 200mg a week except in extreme cases or he's transitioning from female to male then there is no reason that low a dose you should need to come up. Like you said, the purpose of TRT is to replenish your lost Test. Doesn't do any liver damage at all to my knowledge. This is why blood tests are crucial and in my mind, the most important thing to do for anything. It gives a true unbiased, unbroscience reading of YOU. Something no one can do other than your own damn blood.
You've got a 14 post count and joined earlier this month so I'll excuse you not having seen many such posts. But you do call yourself Chemically Enhanced. Now all that means you MIGHT be experienced or not. Here's what I see and have seen many, many times from a LONG ass time online (not just here but 15+ years on various forums) plus 38 years training and 16 years of cycles:
We get a LOT of guys saying TRT when, if asked, they are self medicating. You're quite right in that the genuine man on TRT (or even women on HRT) are supposed to be on for life. But when, as you can find quite easily, we have banned 14 and 16 year old members asking about cycles, and have seen posts from guys who are NOT suffering from teeny tiny nut sacks nor super low levels of natural test on what they call TRT then it becomes, as I said earlier, 'ironic'.
Mods also tend to take a BIGGER view. So if a member says 'whats's the longest...' I can say 'what.... a cycle??' . Well then sensible and reasonable advice becomes 12 weeks... maybe 16 weeks based on the cycle, the type of test and so on. Not, as per a post (if factually correct) 'for life'. 'For life' if on TRT. Otherwise it is, in my opinion, a silly reply and encourages abuse.
Again we see the other posts. The ones (feel free to look) entitled 'I shut down my HPTA... what do I do now?'. Or the gung ho... 'I did 24 weeks' and 'I've been on two years straight... my wife wants to have a baby... please help'. In other words posts like 'for life' validate foolishness which often comes with a 'but I now realize I made a mistake'. I can carry on
The OP doesn't make it clear that he's asking about TRT. That's just the way the replies went. Consider either asking what they wanted or replying both ways. So:
If you ARE on TRT then yes test CAN be run (at a low TRT dose) for life.
If, however, you're considering an actual cycle then 16 weeks is as long as I'd like to see. Preferably a little less. Again this depends on the form.
It's bigger picture stuff. Gung ho guys can and very often do change their mind and not everyone that says TRT really means TRT
We get a LOT of guys saying TRT when, if asked, they are self medicating. You're quite right in that the genuine man on TRT (or even women on HRT) are supposed to be on for life. But when, as you can find quite easily, we have banned 14 and 16 year old members asking about cycles, and have seen posts from guys who are NOT suffering from teeny tiny nut sacks nor super low levels of natural test on what they call TRT then it becomes, as I said earlier, 'ironic'.
Mods also tend to take a BIGGER view. So if a member says 'whats's the longest...' I can say 'what.... a cycle??' . Well then sensible and reasonable advice becomes 12 weeks... maybe 16 weeks based on the cycle, the type of test and so on. Not, as per a post (if factually correct) 'for life'. 'For life' if on TRT. Otherwise it is, in my opinion, a silly reply and encourages abuse.
Again we see the other posts. The ones (feel free to look) entitled 'I shut down my HPTA... what do I do now?'. Or the gung ho... 'I did 24 weeks' and 'I've been on two years straight... my wife wants to have a baby... please help'. In other words posts like 'for life' validate foolishness which often comes with a 'but I now realize I made a mistake'. I can carry on
The OP doesn't make it clear that he's asking about TRT. That's just the way the replies went. Consider either asking what they wanted or replying both ways. So:
If you ARE on TRT then yes test CAN be run (at a low TRT dose) for life.
If, however, you're considering an actual cycle then 16 weeks is as long as I'd like to see. Preferably a little less. Again this depends on the form.
It's bigger picture stuff. Gung ho guys can and very often do change their mind and not everyone that says TRT really means TRT
One of the problems with what we mean by long term is we've not really studied it. A handful, as mentioned, are at the low dose 10 year mark. But they're very, very rare. Gear, as we know it, has been around and in use (again as we know it to be) from what... 1950. Running it year round, even for TRT, has only been happening at the most 15 years. A lot less if we exclude the odd rare example. Seeing guys talk about TRT when they mean self medicating Blasts and cruises seems to be a 5 or so year thing. And there's been next to zero studies on the effects. So, again as commented, it a combo of best guess, hoped for honesty in the handful of surveys (that's what most studies consisted of) and bro-science.
Thanks. I don't consider myself an expert by any means. There are younger guys who's knowledge of esters etc are far better than mine. Heck, I don't even always agree with some of the very top (IMO) gurus I know personally. I see, for example a guy I've mentioned before, Dave Crosland, talking about varying TRT doses (so as to mimic the bodies output). It might be correct... heck scientific even. But it also encourages those who don't need TRT to stay on. I also know, both cos I asked and he admitted plus what he's done in his documentaries, that Dave's fucked himself up with his own use.
Again bigger picture and long term thing stuff vs 'giving them what they want NOW'.
Chemically Enhanced
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I have to agree, my reply was lacking. OP didn't provide enough information in his opening question.
Regarding my forum name, there are natural athletes / BB, and there are those who enhance their physique and/or performance with chemicals. I'm in the later category and my name means just that. I lived and worked overseas for nearly a decade and been prescribed TRT by a doctor. I've done many cycles over the years never completely coming off (just cruising on TRT doses in between) until a few years ago when my wife and I decided to have a baby. Got her pregnant, also moved back to Canada. Want to get back into using aas so started looking for more domestic sources and that's why I joined the forum, excuse my low post count, but I'm planning to stick around.
I understand not everyone is in the same situation as myself so my regiment will not work for everyone. I'll try not to make such sweeping statements (you don't have to come off) in the future.
Regarding my forum name, there are natural athletes / BB, and there are those who enhance their physique and/or performance with chemicals. I'm in the later category and my name means just that. I lived and worked overseas for nearly a decade and been prescribed TRT by a doctor. I've done many cycles over the years never completely coming off (just cruising on TRT doses in between) until a few years ago when my wife and I decided to have a baby. Got her pregnant, also moved back to Canada. Want to get back into using aas so started looking for more domestic sources and that's why I joined the forum, excuse my low post count, but I'm planning to stick around.
I understand not everyone is in the same situation as myself so my regiment will not work for everyone. I'll try not to make such sweeping statements (you don't have to come off) in the future.
E32038
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welcome chemically enhanced! I'm relatively new here as a poster also. I've been reading the posts for a good year or so but didn't feel intelligent enough at the time to actually speak up. Not that I do now either, but my situation may provide others with a different perspective and I've done a ton (literally) of reading and learning on this topic. I spend a lot of time on planes and I have the luxury to just read for hours without interruption. And I have somewhat of a photographic memory so I can soak up a ton of shit. Granted, I don't know what any of it means, but I'm great at regurgitation.....like I'm great at Jeopardy or the game Memory, and chess for that matter. lol.
Not that I do now either, but my situation may provide others with a different perspective and I've done a ton (literally) of reading and learning on this topic. I spend a lot of time on planes and I have the luxury to just read for hours without interruption. And I have somewhat of a photographic memory so I can soak up a ton of shit. Granted, I don't know what any of it means, but I'm great at regurgitation.....like I'm great at Jeopardy or the game Memory, and chess for that matter. lol.
Cheers fella.
Even among guys I've met and got to know personally (I'm thinking of The Bulls from Mick Hart's forum back in the day) some lads tended to 'just answer what was asked'. We had one new member who was plenty old enough (38) but I'd seen him mention he'd only been training 3 months lol. So rather than say 'take X and Y' as asked I suggested he wait a little.
It's also a part of thinking about the 90% of our members who read but never post. Look at the views some threads get vs the actual posts and replies on them. 20x as much and it's not all search bots. Parts of our replies help the OP and the other parts those reading and searching.
florencenoir
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Let's be honest. How many men do you know who are in TRT and who would actually need it?
More and more men in their thirties come to my office asking for TRT with T in 350-400 and showing no symptoms. They want TRT because they simply believe that this value is low and that by their age they should be in 800-1000.
They don't stop to analyze the consequences of this request for a lifetime. They don't realize that they are going to be a drug dependent for 50+ years.
Nowadays it is as if the T were the magic drug for the cure of all the problems of the body. It's as if T was the penicillin of the 21st century.
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E32038
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Florencenoir - just playing devil's advocate again. I'm not in my 30's and didn't start TRT until I was 42. I was just shy of 400 on my first blood test. If I can afford it, not having any more kids, and it makes me happier, which in turn makes me healthier...I don't see the problem with going on it. I think in your 30's you probably have a good argument. I intentionally waited until I hit 40 (and even then read everything I could get my hands on about TRT and steroids in general) I literally researched for 2 years before I decided to make the plunge and get on TRT. Did I NEED it? Probably not. Does it make me feel better, yes. Did it improve my life in general? yes. For me, it did several things from a health perspective. Much of indirectly. What I mean is, I was spending X amount of dollars a month and didn't want that to go to waste. So I got back in good shape before I started and realized, hell....now that I'm on it, I want to stay this way and holy hell, I feel amazing while on it! Then when I saw the effects of the testosterone, I was like, mmmm a cycle won't hurt me if I do it correctly. Now that I've done my cycle, I love those results. My body is "healing" now and I'm going to kick it up a notch the next one. I intentionally went slow and low last time because I just took what I had been able to receive from a Mexican pharmacy. Now I have the ability to get on some real stuff and am very excited to see those results. I'm being uber careful with blood work, giving blood, exercising like a mad man, and weight training 4 to 5 times a week with mostly high reps to burn outs with lower weight on 3/4 of the days and 1/4 of the days, I'm going heavier with lower reps to failure. This is what works for me from what I found. And I'm eating very well. Mostly whole30 or paleo for the most part. I have a "cheat" day every other Saturday, but I haven't even used it. I just more like knowing it's there. I've noticed all of this has made my quality of life better.
you can do whatever you want man... if you want to stay on it permanently you can but you need to understand what comes along with all of this.. if you are just cycling, just remember that the longer you stay on it, the more difficult the recovery, no matter how high you run it, its still suppressing you and the longer you do that, the much more difficult recovery is going to be... the better question is how long SHOULD you, not CAN you...
Steroids at any dosage will shut down your natural testosterone production. The longer your natural testosterone production is shut down, the harder it’ll be to recover.
I recommend 10-16 week cycles. Anything longer then that and recovery really starts to become an issue.
That’s why trt is for the rest of your life
I recommend 10-16 week cycles. Anything longer then that and recovery really starts to become an issue.
That’s why trt is for the rest of your life
yes if you ran it at a TRT dosage you can run it long term BUT i would ask Joe Rogan how is his LH and FSH levels? they are going to be near 0. so he cannot claim 'perfect health' .. his HPTA is dysfunctional and his sperm count is low
E32038
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Fair enough. I would agree with that
If you are talking about running a test only cycle then 12 weeks is more than enough. 1-2 cycles per year is all I recommend for health reasons. If you are talking about TRT then that is a different thing all together.
