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I've read that when you're stacking Dianabol you should run it between 10 and 30 mg a day but then I read if you're running it solo you can go up higher, maybe 40 or 50 mg a day. What do you guys think about running it for six weeks and doing 50 mg a day? Do you think I should stack in some T-bol with it just to offset some of the estrogen issues or would I be okay? My goal is to bulk up. I plan on increasing my calories and carbs and I'm approximately 200 lb at 6 ft 3 in.a
If you have never ran it before I would go low 10-30 if you have and you have had good response I would suggest up to 60.
If your wanting to stack something to get more out of it without injections I would consider proviron at 25-50mg daily
Tbol won't counteract the estrogen from dbol either.
If your wanting to stack something to get more out of it without injections I would consider proviron at 25-50mg daily
Tbol won't counteract the estrogen from dbol either.
What kind of shape are you in now? And do you have any experience with PEDs?
You should get your hormone bloodwork first, of course. What if your e2 is already a bit higher than you expect and you get instant problems? That would suck.
Seems like this is your first dip of the toe. My first cycle was oral only and it was okay. Dianabol wouldn’t been better I think than winstrol but I did get results.
You should get your hormone bloodwork first, of course. What if your e2 is already a bit higher than you expect and you get instant problems? That would suck.
Seems like this is your first dip of the toe. My first cycle was oral only and it was okay. Dianabol wouldn’t been better I think than winstrol but I did get results.
Age, male/female, cycle experience, length of time/years in the gym, current weight/height and bodyfat etc. ??
My guess is you're young and just starting out and not yet ready to dive into pinning intramuscularly?
There's no way to recommend a cycle especially an unorthodox one like this without knowing more about you. You'll need bloodwork with ALT/AST and e2 before doing an oral only cycle, especially dbol. And since I'm sure you're new to this you'll be fine at lower doses of anything to start.
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6 weeks max 20mgs pre training and add n2guard thats your max what you should do
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Oral only cycles are the worse thing you can do.
You’ll shut down your natural production and replace it with a non-bio identical hormone that converts into a methyl estrogen which is also non-bio identical. Plus the whole time you’ll be putting organ and blood pressure stress on your body.
You’ll also gain sweet fuck all from dbol apart from water.
Old school guys will claim that oral only cycles are fine and dbol is great because they did it and Arnold did it and so on.
Information has changed, and we know much more about PEDS.
Old school doctors used to say cigarettes were a great way to control appetite.
You’re much better off just using actual test. It’s bio identical to the body, almost no organ stress and you’ll get much better gains.
I’m sure you’ll ignore this because you’re scared of needles and want confirmation bias, but I have to do the right thing and warn you.
Oral only cycles are the worse thing you can do.
You’ll shut down your natural production and replace it with a non-bio identical hormone that converts into a methyl estrogen which is also non-bio identical. Plus the whole time you’ll be putting organ and blood pressure stress on your body.
You’ll also gain sweet fuck all from dbol apart from water.
Old school guys will claim that oral only cycles are fine and dbol is great because they did it and Arnold did it and so on.
Information has changed, and we know much more about PEDS.
Old school doctors used to say cigarettes were a great way to control appetite.
You’re much better off just using actual test. It’s bio identical to the body, almost no organ stress and you’ll get much better gains.
I’m sure you’ll ignore this because you’re scared of needles and want confirmation bias, but I have to do the right thing and warn you.
I was going to ask if D-Bol would be worth it as I am led to believe it is all inflated water weight and drops when you stop taking it? I obviously don't have any experince with it.
Dbol, in my handsome and correct opinion, has only 1 practical application.
A pre-workout oral, if your estrogren is super low, to break through a strength plateau.
And even then anadrol or superdrol is way better.
In any other application, it’s worthless. It doesn’t build size any better than test.
People just cling to it because “Arnold took it”.
Arnold also probably drove a car without power steering in the 60s/70s, do you want to do that?
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Arnold look Dbol and primobolan
And yes, it’s all water weight from the methyl estrogen.
Any actual contractile tissue is built from you being stronger and pushing more weight, not the dbol itself.
Any actual contractile tissue is built from you being stronger and pushing more weight, not the dbol itself.
And if he had access to synthetic testosterone, it would have been test and primo.Arnold look Dbol and primobolan
Chances are, that’s what he took when it became available.
Lol love the "In my handsome opinion"
. Appreciate the feedback, not that i would have used it but love learning.
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For sure
but fun to speculate.
No mention of your age
I've done 20 mg of T-bol and D-bol. It's an excellent stack. They yin and yang each other.
I would have to seriously disagree on this.
Sure, if you ran a testosterone base, and had an anti-estrogren in place, you theoretically could run 2 oral steroids together, if you completely disregard liver health.
But you absolutely should not run this without a test base and an ai.
Both dbol and tbol are testosterone derivatives, the only difference being tbol has the chlorine bond, and does not potentiate any estrogen conversion, while dbol does.
A “ying and yang” effect would imply balancing the testosterone or estrogen level. Dbol and tbol together would not offer any meaningful way to modulate the heavy methyl estrogren conversion from dbol.
Neither of those orals promote any greater anabolism than the same amount of synthetic testosterone.
I get increasingly concerned with some of the advice I see. “I’ve done this in the past and it’s been great” is not a responsible way to justify an objectively incorrect approach to PED use.
dbol solo 10-20mgs should be g2g . you don't need more solo
its important in fitness to understand things aren't black and white. there are things that people do that might not make sense but it works too.
I've been around a long time. Back in the day we routinely ran oral only cycles and we were able to get really good results. I've gotten extremely strong on them. This whole thing where you have to run testosterone as a base, that is a new thing amongst you young guys
Bros, in the early 2000s we used to use dbol for breakfast. We ran it all the time. It worked well for us.
There have been literally millions of guys over the years who have done Dianabol for 4 or 5 weeks at 20 or 30 mg a day. It's a great bulker and it's cheap. Not everyone has the funds or is wanting to use injectables and do big cycles and spend 4 figures. Some people just want to run a quick cycle and be in and out.
I’m not a fan of oral only cycles
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