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What I thought! I have cut alcohl out of my life for 6 months now, I am cutting sugar and coffee out from first of Jan! trying to make my list for the new years here!
Yes it's infinitely healthier, but the problem is there's no longer a guarantee that what says organic IS organic anymore. But I would say you could be 80% sure. Just a guess. I'm always pushing organic, but my main concern is getting non-GMO. Pesticides I can deal with. Frankenstein seeds I cannot.
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31yogymrat
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Grow your own, that's the only way. The best part is the food tastes way better too. I'm a real organic gardener, need info please ask. I used to grow tons of weed too.
Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You are essentially altering your genetic build with hormones and etc but then wont eat something that was altered?
GMOs cause cancer and organ damage. I suppose AAS can cause organ damage as well. You could look at it that way, but when considering what things like glyphosate are (a synthetic estrogen) aka round up weed killer. It's a little different. Actually much different. We raise the levels of hormones in our bodies. Some toxic, and some not so toxic. GMO foods are proven toxic by independent labs and NOT tested on humans at all by what are considered credible labs. Tests on the long term use of steroids still gets nowhere near the dangers of consuming all GMO foods over generations. Genetically modified soy protein caused infertility in mice by the third GMO fed generation. In conclusion I would have to say it's a little hypocritical since they both are dangerous, but by my research GMOs are far worse. On top of that, I see TrT as preventive maintenance so I don't suffer from all the extra hormones our bodies get from the water and our foods. If I didn't use steroids Id be a low T pussy that is sterile like a lot of the miles these days if you ask me. We all have our vices and will justify them
and I justify mine by trying to cut out all the things that are unhealthy that I don't need to have in my life. I dunno, call me crazy but I don't want me or my family eating Round Up.
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Essentially everything we put in or on our bodies changes our "Epigenetics". We literally are what we eat. And if we inject GMO cotton seed oil, which we all are, mixed with exogenous natural or unnatural hormones then we will undoubtedly change our genetics in the same way. I'd much prefer changing my Genetics towards anabolism as opposed to infertility and life forms that invented by man.
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In other words, we don't just treat our bodies like shit because we do steroids that can also be bad for us in some ways. Just like when we are on an oral cycle we lay off the alcohol because we'd rather get muscle than be drunk if we're gonna mess with our livers. Right? Pick and choose your battles. Mine is with food safety and health. In the end GMO issues may not be seen for decades later. It's like a lot of things. Smoking for instance. Some may smoke 5 years and die of lung cancer and others will die at 100 having smoked 2 packs a day for 80 years. It comes down to what you as an individual are willing to risk.
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My take on organic is it IS healthier, but if we are talking gains instead of overall health from the crap they put in our food it should be the same, just more expensive. But if your worried about all of this supposed cancer causing things in todays world, which I am, organic is the way to go definitely, if u can afford it. Plus I have a soft spot for animals, I hate the abuse of animals and think its just morally wrong. Just my take tho.
What's the overall goal bro. If money isn't an issue and it is bodybuilding and overall health then yes.
But if your talking clean food and have a tight budget. Eggs, rice, chicken, oats, whey, spinach, peanut butter goes a long way. Cheap and will get you where you want to go.
But if your talking clean food and have a tight budget. Eggs, rice, chicken, oats, whey, spinach, peanut butter goes a long way. Cheap and will get you where you want to go.
Lots of companies are thankfully changing up their ingredients for the better lately with all the protesting over GMO and over all because that's where the money is. The prices will go down if it continues this. Way. Also some smaller store chains like HEB now have their own organic brand now and it's very affordable. Not sure if others are doing that.
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Im in my early twenties, go to school, and have a good job so I could afford it. But here is my logic of thinking. I eat fairly cheap now and dont stress over having the best foods I can buy because one day when I'm done with school and am very financially secure I can budget $600/month to buy the best foods no problem. For now I choose to save money.
If your eating remotely healthy I'm sure your just fine, look at all the people who arn't
If your eating remotely healthy I'm sure your just fine, look at all the people who arn't
Mattdogg
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Going strictly organic is more of a health concept than a BB's goal. A tweak, per se. Organic foods are not 100% necessary to achieve your BB'g goals, but may be felt a necessity from a health guru or vegan, or whichever else extreme point of view is used. Is it "healthier"? Absolutely.
Exactly!
Also show me that "organic" leads to longevity.
I choose organic but I just pick healthier options of my staples because I can now.
I'm just able to throw more shit in now because I make more money.
But I ate very healthy when I was broke and could eat for less than 100 a week plus one night out.
I basically just bought bulk oats, rice, peabutbutter, eggs, spinach, and whey. The 5 dozen eggs for like 5 or 6 bucks was awesome and you can get a 60 lb bag of organic rice for like 80 bucks maybe less online. Same with oats. Then just bags of chicken breast. There is no excuse for not being able to eat like a body builder.
fortitude18
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Always pasteurized eggs ....taste way better.....my man Jacksteel got the real deal info brothers....no need to repeat...
Rockwilder
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This.
'Clean eating' is great for you and healthy, can't argue there, but it's not as much of a be-all-end-all of bodybuilding gains as you think. It's more calories in and out. From a bodybuilding standpoint, the best thing about the clean eating mentality is actually the structured/strict way of dieting, not the actual quality of the food itself to an extent. White rice, brown rice, white potato, sweet potato, organic, non-organic is not going to matter at the end of the day concerning your muscle gain and fat loss.
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instant.muscle
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this, i agree.
eating organic does a lot of things
its better for you
its better for the environment
its better for the small farmer
its better for our water
it tastes better
and its not that much more expensive. the people who complain about food cost are the people who have no problem going to a restaurant and spending $30 a plate plus tip
if you cut out your restaurant expenses you can afford it.
and yes grow your own food if possible. for those who don't own land there are actually plots you can rent and pay a small fee in every town.. not sure what they are called but you can eat what you grow or donate it if you would like. see these popping up everywhere these days
the point about AAS use is true only if you abuse steroids which most guys do unfortunately, but I'm not going to debate my philosophy on that. bottom line is I never run more than a gram of juice a week and I never stay on more than 12 weeks without coming off a minimum of 16 weeks. all my blood work comes back perfect every time and I do not drink or do drugs.
something like a banana which has a cover it wouldn't really matter healthwise if you ate organic banana or not. but something like a pear, apple, berries, greens, etc you damn right it matters... in terms of protein a humane friendly egg or meat tastes way better than regular. if you don't realize that difference then your taste buds are blown to bits. I can't even eat a regular egg, the shit smells different to me. all those chemicals and crap they gave the chickens makes a huge difference
its better for you
its better for the environment
its better for the small farmer
its better for our water
it tastes better
and its not that much more expensive. the people who complain about food cost are the people who have no problem going to a restaurant and spending $30 a plate plus tip
if you cut out your restaurant expenses you can afford it.
and yes grow your own food if possible. for those who don't own land there are actually plots you can rent and pay a small fee in every town.. not sure what they are called but you can eat what you grow or donate it if you would like. see these popping up everywhere these days
the point about AAS use is true only if you abuse steroids which most guys do unfortunately, but I'm not going to debate my philosophy on that. bottom line is I never run more than a gram of juice a week and I never stay on more than 12 weeks without coming off a minimum of 16 weeks. all my blood work comes back perfect every time and I do not drink or do drugs.
something like a banana which has a cover it wouldn't really matter healthwise if you ate organic banana or not. but something like a pear, apple, berries, greens, etc you damn right it matters... in terms of protein a humane friendly egg or meat tastes way better than regular. if you don't realize that difference then your taste buds are blown to bits. I can't even eat a regular egg, the shit smells different to me. all those chemicals and crap they gave the chickens makes a huge difference
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JM750
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That alone is going to put you way ahead. Sugar is a bodybuilders enemy. I'll admit it tho, I indulge now and then
Bama
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Putting cream and sugar in coffee is ridiculously feminine anyhow.
Yes it is. Next thing you know you will be watching The View daily and spilling all your secrets to your wife.
Mattdogg
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Yes it is. Next thing you know you will be watching The View daily and spilling all your secrets to your wife.
Hahahhaa....and hooked on The Young and the Restless.
My nigga Mattdogg puttin that shit down!
Its funny how the discussions about organic foods, etc here sometimes get far more responses and attention than other threads concerning anabolics
. But its also extremely refreshing. Jack, how long do you spend looking into everything concerning GMO's, etc? It seems like you've put quite a bit of time into it. I'd definitely love to get some more information concerning such things from you.
Its funny how the discussions about organic foods, etc here sometimes get far more responses and attention than other threads concerning anabolics
. But its also extremely refreshing. Jack, how long do you spend looking into everything concerning GMO's, etc? It seems like you've put quite a bit of time into it. I'd definitely love to get some more information concerning such things from you.
I have no problem with anyone eating organic, but I personally don't. I think it's overplayed a lot and what is truly organic, is probably only a small percentage of what has been labeled organic anyhow, but they will still get you to pay twice the price for it. I've also heard that anything truly organic will taste bland and like total shit, which is the opposite of what most people that eat organic say. This is just my personal preference, but I have no problem with myself eating non organic
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You are right about organic. Got a family member in the produce business and he tells me about all the spraying that's done to the "organic" fruits and veggies.
You are wrong about the taste. My garden veggies are the most delicious I've ever tasted. I swear my cukes even have a hint a sweetness to it. The tomatos burst w/ flavor. Green beans, bell peppers etc just have that bold taste that store veggies don't.
if you buy from a legit place that is not the case at all, not sure if you have a whole foods near you
organic tastes way better.
an example of mislabeling would be with eggs. 'cage free' eggs is sold in many supermarkets however it doesn't mean a thing. unless it has a humane friendly sticker on it all it means is the chickens were 'cage free' for X amount of time. doesn't mean they are fed quality feed or are free to roam or aren't getting their beaks chopped off.
again you gotta know where to shop to avoid buying what you think you are buying. publix for example has 0 egg brands, walmart has 0, target has 1, whole foods has 6. its about where you shop
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Black coffee??? How can it cause and fight cancer at the same time? I'm thinking that could be bunk info no? They use to say a lot of bad things about coffee.
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I shoot it and eat it. What is ate is it's business.
I guess I should have been more specific, but I agree with you about garden vegetables. They always taste best. I was referring mostly to meats like "grass fed beef". There was even a thread on here not long ago by a rancher that said grass fed beef will be very bland and flavorless. If you have a very tasty steak, its not grass fed organic beef at all
Not entirely true. Epigenetics allows for the food YOUR food eats to effect it's genetics, and therefore effect your genetics with the same food. Like the trickle up effect lol
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local places will sell hormone free steak and they do taste way better than walmart frankencow meat.
a lot of conventional farmers shit on organic literally because they want to stay in business and are very worried about the trend. its a younger generation thing. I didn't even know what organic was myself up until maybe 8 years ago. such a thing didn't exist in stores.. now its a must that even places like walmart and the big box grocery chains are attempting to get in on it by selling bogus products which gives organic all a bad name. if you want real organic you gotta shop at a place like whole foods that actually makes sure what they are getting in is legit
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y1der
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You all need to watch the Documentary called :FED UP its an eye opener! We eat organic to a point..certain things dont matter, we dont do any GMO foods at all..If it comes in a can or a box..we dont buy it..there are some exceptions to that..we cut out just about everything that is white..Its gets a little more expensive..but we dont do everything organic because a lot of that is just a sticker on the package! we read the ingredients..if there are more ingredients on the label than there are letters in the product..something wrong with that , we cut out sugars,dont do much Dairy , use honey our friends make..grow what we can and buy at local farmers who we know. Bacon is your friend!..it is one of the good fats! Zaycon foods is a decent source for hormone free products. But most things cooked properly..renders hormones in the meat benign. so i was informed. not sure if thats true..so if i like my Steak rare..does that mean im getting some tren a with my steak?..hmmm..that gives me an idea LOL
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yup Epigenetics is huge... thats why im thinking of eating steak Tar Tar..would we get some TREN that way? LOL
You all need to watch the Documentary called :FED UP its an eye opener! We eat organic to a point..certain things dont matter, we dont do any GMO foods at all..If it comes in a can or a box..we dont buy it..there are some exceptions to that..we cut out just about everything that is white..Its gets a little more expensive..but we dont do everything organic because a lot of that is just a sticker on the package! we read the ingredients..if there are more ingredients on the label than there are letters in the product..something wrong with that , we cut out sugars,dont do much Dairy , use honey our friends make..grow what we can and buy at local farmers who we know. Bacon is your friend!..it is one of the good fats! Zaycon foods is a decent source for hormone free products. But most things cooked properly..renders hormones in the meat benign. so i was informed. not sure if thats true..so if i like my Steak rare..does that mean im getting some tren a with my steak?..hmmm..that gives me an idea LOL
I think people know that things out of boxes or cans are bad for us, they just are too lazy and cheap to do anything about it.. or they just flat out don't care.
y1der
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its heathier ..so if your health matters then yes it matters lol.Does the price justify how much it helps?Not sure. but i would think so
the author of that article admits they grew up on a dairy farm. how biased can you seriously be? dairy farms are the most dirty, polluted, and unethical types of farms. they make the frankenfarms in Laos look like a 5 star restaurant
and here are 343 studies that show the opposite of your study,
http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-organic-foods-20140715-story.html
I've been to organic farms and conventional farms. organic farms taste 100% better and when I eat them I don't taste pesticide. how you can claim that eating pesticide is okay for you is laughable and makes no sense whatsoever
and to the cynics in this thread "To carry an organic label in the U.S., foods must be grown without synthetic pesticides, growth hormones, antibiotics, genetic engineering or chemical fertilizers." so your 'friend' that owns a conventional farm and claims there is no difference is just trying to make some money off of you. so yes there is a difference
seriously can't believe on a fitness forum we are having this debate and guys actually think there is no difference between produce smothered in pesticide and not. loll's
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text from link:[h=1]Organic food: the biggest scam since bottled water[/h][h=2][/h]
by Jared MehrePosted Sep 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm
In this week’s arts section of The Badger Herald, I came across an article that claimed, in spite of concrete evidence, that organic food was somehow beneficial to one’s health. Now, for those of you who buy organic food for its unique taste, I have no problem with your logic – I myself enjoy some organic products just for their flavor. However, for those of you who buy organic food because you believe it is better for your health, I want to let you know that you have given into one of the biggest scams since bottled water.
The article cites a recent study done by Stanford University doctors who found organic food is neither healthier nor more nutritious than food grown from traditional methods – it is only more expensive. Low-Fat Tuesday Columnist Rachel Werts spends much of the article trying to discredit the study and blames the media for over-indulging in it.
Stanford, Oxford and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition have all done studies or made claims that organic food is no more beneficial to one’s health than food grown by traditional methods. So, this Stanford University study should not be shocking information, as for years now many studies have found organic food is no better than food grown with pesticides and antibiotics – I think it’s about time we listened to them.
After growing up and living my entire life on a small dairy farm in rural Wisconsin, I know firsthand the safety and efficiency that comes with using approved pesticides and antibiotics on plants and animals. I remember finding myself extremely annoyed when people would come around and press us or our neighbors to grow organic. Heads up: Without any pesticides or antibiotics, no food source can be self-sustaining.
That being said, for those of you who actually believe there are absolutely no pesticides or antibiotics used in the cultivation of your organic produce, meat or dairy, you would be wrong. Organic food growers use pesticides on their food – the U.S. Department of Agriculture only states the pesticides cannot be derived from unnatural sources.
The Stanford University study found organic food, while containing less detectable pesticides, still contained pesticides. Ironically, there was evidence in one study suggesting the pesticides detected in organic food may have come from household sources, not the food.
Now, in spite of all this evidence, many people will still say organic food is better for them, which I am fine with since I support the agriculturist – but I feel it’s my duty to just clue people in on how the scam of organic food works. Producers and I know many people believe organic food is healthier for them, and it is this connotation associated with the word “organic” that producers are after. In fact, USDA gives out an organic seal of approval to products that use 95 percent organic ingredients in their products. This makes me laugh as it reminds me of a moment in the movie “Tommy Boy” when Tommy says, “Hey, If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I’ve got spare time.”
But beyond the USDA, many foods claim to be organic without actually being organic. For example, it is nearly impossible to get organic meat, milk or any other products that come from animals, since animals will at some point need an antibiotic to live or come into contact with feed treated with pesticides. But producers know if they can market their products with the label “organic” on them, they will be able to sell their produce for 50-100 percent higher prices – which people will blissfully still pay for.
Wisconsin is a state built on agriculture. By buying organic food, people are making it more difficult on the farms that are billed with the challenge of efficiently sustaining the population at a reasonable price while still managing to financially support themselves. So by all means, continue to buy organic food, continue to support the business of the local co-op, but please don’t try to justify your smug attitude by trying to convince everybody you didn’t just waste a whole bunch of money on something ordinary.
did you even read both those articles?
your article says the reason they said that was because the 'organic' food was found to have pesticides in them. so its not organic in the first place!
so basically it goes back to what I said earlier in this thread which is know where you are getting your food. either grow it or buy from a reliable place. not from some guy on the side of the road.
you people seriously can't be this fucking ignorant to believe that eating pesticides is good for you right?
you really think I am going to waste my money on shit that claims to be organic but in reality still has pesticides in it? you think consumers are that fucking stupid? you think that if such a thing really happened that it would be a major scandal on forums and in the media and places like whole foods wouldn't go out of business overnight? you think that they don't check to make sure the farms they get their stuff from are legit? you think that the animal groups wouldn't burn these farmers at the stake ?
Whole foods didn't become a 20B company and the stock didn't go up 1000% because they were cheating people.. seriously think about it lol
we will agree to disagree though Mr. Nugent and you can get back to doing your music thing. just remember cancer is skyrocketing for a reason and a big reason is the amount of pesticides we are putting in our bodies. will you avoid pesticides 100% eating organic? probably not because its everywhere, but you will damn well decrease the amount substantially vs. just eating conventional !
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I share your frustration lol. Sadly GMO farmers don't even know the first thing about their crops either these days. Eat healthy, drive on. Can't save them all.
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text from link:[h=1]Organic food: the biggest scam since bottled water[/h][h=2][/h]
Posted Sep 12, 2012 at 8:19 pm
In this week’s arts section of The Badger Herald, I came across an article that claimed, in spite of concrete evidence, that organic food was somehow beneficial to one’s health. Now, for those of you who buy organic food for its unique taste, I have no problem with your logic – I myself enjoy some organic products just for their flavor. However, for those of you who buy organic food because you believe it is better for your health, I want to let you know that you have given into one of the biggest scams since bottled water.
The article cites a recent study done by Stanford University doctors who found organic food is neither healthier nor more nutritious than food grown from traditional methods – it is only more expensive. Low-Fat Tuesday Columnist Rachel Werts spends much of the article trying to discredit the study and blames the media for over-indulging in it.
Stanford, Oxford and the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition have all done studies or made claims that organic food is no more beneficial to one’s health than food grown by traditional methods. So, this Stanford University study should not be shocking information, as for years now many studies have found organic food is no better than food grown with pesticides and antibiotics – I think it’s about time we listened to them.
After growing up and living my entire life on a small dairy farm in rural Wisconsin, I know firsthand the safety and efficiency that comes with using approved pesticides and antibiotics on plants and animals. I remember finding myself extremely annoyed when people would come around and press us or our neighbors to grow organic. Heads up: Without any pesticides or antibiotics, no food source can be self-sustaining.
That being said, for those of you who actually believe there are absolutely no pesticides or antibiotics used in the cultivation of your organic produce, meat or dairy, you would be wrong. Organic food growers use pesticides on their food – the U.S. Department of Agriculture only states the pesticides cannot be derived from unnatural sources.
The Stanford University study found organic food, while containing less detectable pesticides, still contained pesticides. Ironically, there was evidence in one study suggesting the pesticides detected in organic food may have come from household sources, not the food.
Now, in spite of all this evidence, many people will still say organic food is better for them, which I am fine with since I support the agriculturist – but I feel it’s my duty to just clue people in on how the scam of organic food works. Producers and I know many people believe organic food is healthier for them, and it is this connotation associated with the word “organic” that producers are after. In fact, USDA gives out an organic seal of approval to products that use 95 percent organic ingredients in their products. This makes me laugh as it reminds me of a moment in the movie “Tommy Boy” when Tommy says, “Hey, If you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I’ve got spare time.”
But beyond the USDA, many foods claim to be organic without actually being organic. For example, it is nearly impossible to get organic meat, milk or any other products that come from animals, since animals will at some point need an antibiotic to live or come into contact with feed treated with pesticides. But producers know if they can market their products with the label “organic” on them, they will be able to sell their produce for 50-100 percent higher prices – which people will blissfully still pay for.
Wisconsin is a state built on agriculture. By buying organic food, people are making it more difficult on the farms that are billed with the challenge of efficiently sustaining the population at a reasonable price while still managing to financially support themselves. So by all means, continue to buy organic food, continue to support the business of the local co-op, but please don’t try to justify your smug attitude by trying to convince everybody you didn’t just waste a whole bunch of money on something ordinary.
Probably paid for by monsanto. False all the way through. I'm not even gonna get into this lol
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There are hundreds and hundreds of i dependant studies by a hundred different unaffiliated unbiased labs that Prove non-GMO is far safer. As far as if the food is natural (non-GMO) but not officially organic, then that's different. Organic is probably not much better than non-GMO, non-organic foods. However, GMO is much much more dangerous than a non-GMO, regular non-organic food. There is a difference between natural, GMO, organic, and non-GMO labels. The difference between the 3 is really child's science. All these "organic scam" articles are propaganda no doubt.
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I AGREE!!!! But I'll differentiate in that the main health issues of today ie. Cancer, etc. Is likely from genetic modification. Studies show that non-GMO foods WITH pesticides had no major health changes on rats as compared to a rat fed a GMO potato WITHOUT pesticides. Pesticides are bad for us of course, but eating Frankenstein seeds that grow synthetic estrogens etc. Are I believe the main cause of cancer and organ disease in our country. Backed by studies NOT funded by big corporations affiliated with Monsanto. Over $100,000,000 was spent by Monsanto in the last 2 YEARS to hide from you the kind of food you're eating. Where do you think that money went? Into false propaganda and advertising. Winning the hearts and minds.
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snackmachine
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If they sell it at WinnDixie it's legit right?
you are preaching to the converted. cancer is sky high, its actually normal nowaday's to get cancer at some point of your life. yet people don't put 2 and 2 together. not sure if its ignorance or just wishful thinking. personally I would rather live 50 years rock solid healthy than live 60 years and spend the last 10 of those years fighting cancer and being miserable. just my philosophy, but others have different opinions I guess
people who shop at winn Dixie aren't health conscious.. same with walmart
they cater to a certain niche. all you gotta do is look at what people look like and look at what is in their shopping carts.. the connection is there to a tee. http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
Yeah I know bro I wasn't preaching to you, just emphasizing the GMO part. It's funny people don't ever ask where cancer came from, Or all the other new diseases, yet they refuse to believe it's the synthetic poison food we eat.
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Hey that's me with the shopping cart!!!! http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/158.jpg
... But true.
The line in the drive-thru as I passed McDonald's last night was sickening. Sorry if anyone here still eats McDonald's but you have to be completely apathetic about your health to eat there still... Either that or they don't know how to read or listen to the news.
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^^^Don't judge me cause I'm beautiful. lol
y1der
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ughh that and Taco Hell..same thing..lines all the way out the parking lot..and the smell..makes me nautious...i dont even get coffee there anymore..cause even the coffee smells weird now..
snackmachine
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oh come on now - taco smell is my sanctuary
yeah another thing is take out Chinese food.. a buddy of mine came over with a bag of it and he wanted to put it in my fridge and it stunk up my fridge for a week. I was like dude how the fuck can you seriously eat that crap? the smell makes me sick.
Taco Bell causes mixed feelings sometimes for me lol... I have to tell myself Taco Bell doesn't love me anymore and move on...
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My store is right next to to a local Hamburger and ice cream stand and i get the pleasure of smelling deep fried crap..and burgers ....i used to love that smell...when i was 200+ lbs..now i have to turn on fans to get the smell out..and that place is lined up all day long in the summer..i watchem eat a triple scoop ice cream and chase it with a bucket of fries and a double chz burger..and a large soda...what thats like 4,000 calories at 50% fat??? on one meal if you call it that..nah..ill take this
y1der
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what ..you dont like the smell of fried cat with a quart of salt? LOL
MikePhillips
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Cat is one of the few meats that you just can't fry and have it turn out OK....tough, sour and stringy, no matter what you do. I'd rather eat dog.
Taco Bell ....it's the only place I know that can have 50 things on the menu that all taste the same. Sadly....most people in America still believe that shit is Mexican food.
My cheat meals can be anything from McDonalds, taco bell, pizza, whatever....3 meals per week. All the others come from my non organic hormone and pesticide filled clean food, and all things considered....I'm damn healthy and look pretty damn good lol
I also find it ironic that the most successful people in the bodybuilding world also practice flexible dieting, eat out at restaurants, and certainly don't eat exclusively organic. Many don't eat any organic at all.
I also find it ironic that the most successful people in the bodybuilding world also practice flexible dieting, eat out at restaurants, and certainly don't eat exclusively organic. Many don't eat any organic at all.
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y1der
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Eating Organic is sometimes cheaper around here..thats when we buy it..and as far as cheating..i do 2 burgers a month (fast food burgers) usually Carls jr or Red Robin, we do pizza once a month..and restaurants 2 times a month..but like Black Angus, Real Mexican Food,Red Robin actual sit down meals..I just really prefer to cook..thats my second Hobby..Chief Cook
everything from scratch..i find it relaxing
1 word= genetics
and then a shitload of drugs and compounds
eating organic isn't just about an individual. its also about helping the local farmer vs. the big factory farms. and remember its much better for the environment.
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Plus is it is a culture or style of life, like somebody wo wears a bow tie, or has a very long beard or shaved head, it is what you do and live 24/7 year round not just a one off!
That's true. It's probably not going to effect muscle growth and it surely won't effect short term health as much as long term. Just like anything from tobacco and alcohol to steroids, Some of us get away with it.
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this is going to cause nothing but a back and forth, this and that, etc... what it comes down to is long term health... many just have a thought or judgment on it, JUST LIKE I DID, until i actually started doing it... i can't tell you the amount of shit i gave my wife for so long about how ridiculous this and that was that she was preaching and doing and one day i finally said "fuck it, i'll try it out and see" and it was simply the best thing i have done in so long... i have NEVER felt so good, looked younger, feel so much more energetic etc... this is my PERSONAL experience... i've added a lot of green supplementation and changed everything to organic and at this point, i will only drink alkalyne water and i can just hear some guys rolling their eyes or talking shit and you know what, i don't give a fuck because i KNOW that i am treating my body the best it can be treated and I have never felt this good and im not imagining it... to be honest, i didn't want it to work because i didn't want to be wrong but i couldn't have been more wrong... to each their own etc... im not losing sleep over someone with a mis judgment or who has their own thought, im simply giving you my personal experience and telling you how well its done for me... you can't force these things on people, you can educate and let everyone decide for themselves... for me, my body and my health is everything and to enhance my health and longevity, i will do whatever it takes...
Good point about the water... I drink ionized water and I invite anyone to do their own taste test of tap water vs ionized-alkaline water.. It doesn't compare. It's like drinking pool water vs. Fresh spring water. You can never go back cuz that is truly when u notice the difference.
Interested in this for sure, do you use a device like a brita or something that goes on your tap or whats the best protocol?
its like an appliance. it costs hundreds but I've had mine for almost 10 years now. no more buying bottled water.
google "ionizer" or "alkaline machine" .. you hook it up to your sink and the water runs through it and ionizes. it takes out 99% of the crap in your water and filters it out one way and spits out mineral water the other direction. you can also add a calcium tube to add even more minerals to it.
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normagene
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I'm a Big Dr. Oz fan and he's done several shows on organic foods. He recommends not buying thick skinned fruits, but definitely spend the extra cash on thin skinned fruits like berries. Something like organic avocados or bananas is a waste of money. Meats and dairy are full of antibiotics and steroids even in supposed "organic". Farm raised fish, like salmon for example, is the worst so you should go for "wild" instead.
If you're not a Dr. Oz fan, checkout his show on OWN channel, called Surgeon Oz. You'll see the real Dr. Oz, saving lives is what he does best.
normagene
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I'll try to find the article on a fish farm/lab up here in New England, Genetically Modified, the article was called Frankenfish or something like that. Basically they modified salmon with some fast growing fish like carp and fed them all kinds of chemicals. They grow to adult jumbo size in a quarter of the time. And all kinds of mutants, two heads or tails, and just bizarre stuff like that.
But the point is they have created something that cannot naturally happen. Their defense is: This will greatly help stop world hunger. Really, so far it has not been approved for human consumption.
meathead96
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I have no doubts that organic is much better for you but I also have no plans on going that route any time soon lol. I'm stubborn and don't like to diet too hard or spend a lot more money on better foods. I try to eat moderately clean 75 percent of the time and get a good amount of protein in. I don't have any plans to be shredded like dylan or some other guys on here. I'm happy with good size and no more than 15 percent bf.
I'm a Big Dr. Oz fan and he's done several shows on organic foods. He recommends not buying thick skinned fruits, but definitely spend the extra cash on thin skinned fruits like berries. Something like organic avocados or bananas is a waste of money. Meats and dairy are full of antibiotics and steroids even in supposed "organic". Farm raised fish, like salmon for example, is the worst so you should go for "wild" instead.
If you're not a Dr. Oz fan, checkout his show on OWN channel, called Surgeon Oz. You'll see the real Dr. Oz, saving lives is what he does best.
Why does he say organic avocados and bananas are a waste?
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anything covered with skin,what you eat isnt infested with pesticides..the skin is,which you throw in the garbage
i assume thats why he said it ..
Well done.
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thank you brother... i appreciate all the insight you provide on this topic... it really is beneficial and i want you to know its appreciated
i completely agree... there is such a significant difference its crazy... i have it delivered to my house now and i seriously will not touch anything else...
Mr Cogburn
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To the people posting links of how horrible organic food is for you, 100% of those studies are conducted by the major food companies and farms wanting you to buy conventional foods. Farmers go through a lot to be able to stick that organic label on their foods and also have to go through a lot just to make sure no pesticides, herbicides, fungacides, etc is on their food. Farmers can be sued if the cross-pollination of chemicals from a nearby conventional farm gets onto their crops.
normagene
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Yeah that's pretty much it, thick skin usually isn't able to absorb the pesticides. Berries, grapes, and stuff you eat as is, is not only covered but has also absorbed a lot of the pesticides into its flesh.
^^^ exactly.. go to a strawberry farm that is conventional and the powdery pesticide they spray on them is disgusting.
anyone who buys conventional fruit or veggies like this needs to make sure they atleast wash the shit out of them with soap before eating.
anyone who buys conventional fruit or veggies like this needs to make sure they atleast wash the shit out of them with soap before eating.
Agreed... when I lived in Florida, and food was cheaper, I would always try to eat a more raw, organic, non-GMO diet. Stay away from the canned, boxed foods... regardless, I always washed my foods. The food tasted better, and I knew I wasn't ingesting Flounder DNA when I had tomatoes.
Are you serious? eating bugs?
no it was a joke. but the rest of the post is serious. sometimes people buy organic produce and see bugs on it and freak out and take it back to the store. its SUPPOSED to have bugs. means it wasn't drenched in pesticides
bug eating is very common around the world.. in Africa termites are eaten all the time. our ancestors ate bugs all the time, a very easy to catch protein source. to us in the western world its considered nasty but its not like people in some places of the world have much of a choice
normagene
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Couldn't find the same article I read a while back, but I did find this one if you want to check it out. Frankenfish may soon be on the dinner plate. This article doesn't comment on all the deformities and mutant offspring, but it's more about getting FDA approved.
Too long to post so here's the title: Genetically Modified 'Frankenfish' Nears FDA Approval as ...
If you want to google it, it's a very interesting read.
Too long to post so here's the title: Genetically Modified 'Frankenfish' Nears FDA Approval as ...
If you want to google it, it's a very interesting read.
^^^ I've read that 95% of shrimp sold in the USA is from south Asia and farmed in sewage and fed anti-biotics, and its not regulated so they can claim its caught in the gulf of mexico or whatever.
its funny eating at a seafood restaurant on the ocean or inlet and thinking that your shrimp was caught off the shore right there, when in fact it was caught halfway around the world in a sewage infested pond
its funny eating at a seafood restaurant on the ocean or inlet and thinking that your shrimp was caught off the shore right there, when in fact it was caught halfway around the world in a sewage infested pond
So just don't eat the skin then? I bet the skin helps it absorb more chemicals probably. Cause who eats the skin anyway?
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