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Bigbird138
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A gallon of milk a day and I'm farting and getting the runs. That ain't gonna help me put on no mass. Might work for you, but I'd say eating lots of clean foods is a far better option.
its called GOMAD. I do not endorse that
you should be eating big and lifting big to get mass.. however since you are joining the navy you don't want to go in there big, they want you to be able to run and swim. they aren't concerned with size and strength so much
problem with GOMAD is that dairy is very heavy and will cripple your appetite so a lot of skinnier guys already have appetite issues, why compound that by killing your appetite? the idea is the learn the ABC's of eating, part of which learning how to stimulate your appetite. some tricks are avoiding stims, dairy, sugars, etc. example instead of eating mashed potatoes and gravy with your turkey.. just eat more of the turkey with rice. you will get in more cals and protein that way. mashed potatoes and gravy will murder your appetite .. little things
you should be eating big and lifting big to get mass.. however since you are joining the navy you don't want to go in there big, they want you to be able to run and swim. they aren't concerned with size and strength so much
problem with GOMAD is that dairy is very heavy and will cripple your appetite so a lot of skinnier guys already have appetite issues, why compound that by killing your appetite? the idea is the learn the ABC's of eating, part of which learning how to stimulate your appetite. some tricks are avoiding stims, dairy, sugars, etc. example instead of eating mashed potatoes and gravy with your turkey.. just eat more of the turkey with rice. you will get in more cals and protein that way. mashed potatoes and gravy will murder your appetite .. little things
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Gallon of milk a day = kidney stones. That shit hurts I hear.
That's Strictly Old School.
When I was Competing in the early 70's, that was the Big Thing........................... JP
P.S.
But even then, it was Raw Milk, not the Shit in a Store, but Straight from the Cow.
Not Pasteurized or Homogenized ~ I use to Drink it with a Shit Ton of Aminos Added ~ and Desiccated Liver Pills.
When I was Competing in the early 70's, that was the Big Thing........................... JP
P.S.
But even then, it was Raw Milk, not the Shit in a Store, but Straight from the Cow.
Not Pasteurized or Homogenized ~ I use to Drink it with a Shit Ton of Aminos Added ~ and Desiccated Liver Pills.
So, milk's no good now after all these years? The media will make it healthy again soon I hope.
the media is actually very pro milk its a big business. there is an entire aisle at every supermarket chain dedicated to dairy products. dairy farming did not even exist as we know it today in the USA until last century when it became a major Ponzi scheme.
milk is one of the reasons people are so obese in this country (notice I said ONE of the reasons, the others being HFCS, hydrogenated oils) and why we have so many diseases.. you see milk is an acid. its full of sugar. its full of hormones and anti-biotics. pretty much its poison. the milk propaganda that 'it does a body good' is a complete myth. that's what billions in advertising will do.
read what JP said above. that isn't 'media BS' that is true.. go to a dairy farm and ask them if you can drink the milk straight from the cow and see what they tell you. they will laugh in your face. its got to be pasteurized first to zap away the bacteria. so what do you think is better? pasteurized orange juice, or freshly squeezed?
also this is a fact but humans past infancy are incapable of properly digesting lactose. that's why people complain about bloat and stomach upset when they drink it. as you age your ability to digest it becomes less and less. also certain ethnicities are much less likely to be able to digest than others. typically those who are descendents from near the equator are less likely than those from the higher latitudes
Mattdogg
EVO V.I.P
So, the entire mammary gland/mother's milk concept is a farce. lol. I see. Remember when they said eggs were great for you, then retracted that to institute the idea that yolks were unhealthy, then retracted that to restate that eggs were healthy? I personally know old-timers that ate a pound of bacon and 12 eggs each morning on the ranch, and drank probably over a gallon of milk each day. Many lived to nearly 100 years old, others died in their 90's, and some are still alive. These are my uncles and great uncles (aunts too, but I doubt they dieted in the same fashion). In reality, our "healthy" lifestyles and diet choices are shortening our lives.
you are pretty much proving my point for me and you don't even know it
human milk as infants is natural, mothers do not continue to feed past a certain point for a reason.
cows milk as adults is not
2 different things .. do cows drink human milk? so why are you thinking that its natural for humans to drink cow milk? makes no sense. but giving you the benefit of the doubt fresh milk off the ranch where the cows are grass fed is one thing.. cows injected with hormones and anti-biotics and getting fed shit is another
fresh eggs off the ranch are extremely healthy, who said any different? .. I wish I could have pastured chickens laying me eggs to eat. the egg yolk thing has to do with cholesterol levels, some guys choose to only eat the egg whites... yes if you have high cholesterol you are probably better off only having the yolk in moderation.. but if you are generally healthy and exercise normally then it shouldn't be an issue.. I choose to eat the whole egg but keep in mind I am healthier than the average fat American slob who sits on the couch all day eating chips. so its not a good comparison
anyway I think the point is a gallon of milk a day would be extremely unhealthy. half a glass okay that won't kill you. maybe a little cheese etc. but a gallon of milk? fuck no there is zero way you can argue that is in any way healthy to do
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lol what??!! humans did not even start farming until 5000 years ago, so the previous millions of years of evolution humans did no such thing. google the agricultural revolution, and milk didn't even come around in the US until last century. so unless you are saying humans have only walked the earth 5000 years, you are off by a few million years on your theory on that
in most of Africa and Asia milk is barely drank, if at all.
the only countries that consumes milk in large amounts are US, Canada and west europe which are all dairy farming areas
dude I've published articles about milk over the years, I don't think making up stuff will work with me on this subject lol.. nice try though.
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I'm not going to sit here and argue about how healthy it is. Some people are lactose intolerance, others aren't. There are ways to make up for it if you're intolerant and are just hell bent on drinking milk (though you should probably think twice if you can't break it down properly... Doesn't do greatness for you). I only drink Whole Milk when I drink any sort of milk at all. Unfortunately I don't have access to it straight off the farm. When you get into the quest of gaining every pound of muscle possible, health is pretty much set aside. You should see the diets of some of the top Mr. O's... A lot of them eat pounds upon pounds of red meat per day in the offseason. Its just a part of the game. So I'm only going to approach this from a muscle gaining aspect. I'm not going to get into the whole health argument right now. There are too many differing points of view from extremely well respected individuals in the industry of nutrition. Some preach eating more fat will help with fat loss, others demonize it. Blah blah blah.
I've seen some people gain a great amount of solid weight off supplementing some milk with their meals. Hell, I've done it before when I was in my offseason and working on gaining every extra pound of muscle possible. Whole milk has an incredible assortment of macros. Would I drink a whole gallon per day? Probably not lol. But if you're after weight gain, I firmly believe in supplementing some milk with your meals. Just not a freaking quart per meal... Maybe a few CUPS (as in the measurement) at most. I generally have 1-2 cups per meal when doing it. HOWEVER, it wasn't the milk alone that caused the gains... That should be pointed out. Too many people get this idea in their head that a single food is the magic behind cutting or gaining. Its a whole blend of many different things coming together.
As for the associated weight gain, you have to watch your total caloric in vs out. Just don't go too far beyond what you need. If you're consuming an extra 3000 calories per day... That's not all going to be muscle.
Concerning appetite suppression... I've only heard of that with skim milk. I've never heard that about whole milk, nor have I ever noticed it. Where did you read that? Fats impact appetite to an extent... But you should be getting some sort of fat in your meals one way or another. So its not like it should be some sort of huge appetite suppressant from whole milk alone.
I believe in using everything from nature as close as possible to its original form. I've read too many nasty things about skim milk and what not to even bother to try them.
I've seen some people gain a great amount of solid weight off supplementing some milk with their meals. Hell, I've done it before when I was in my offseason and working on gaining every extra pound of muscle possible. Whole milk has an incredible assortment of macros. Would I drink a whole gallon per day? Probably not lol. But if you're after weight gain, I firmly believe in supplementing some milk with your meals. Just not a freaking quart per meal... Maybe a few CUPS (as in the measurement) at most. I generally have 1-2 cups per meal when doing it. HOWEVER, it wasn't the milk alone that caused the gains... That should be pointed out. Too many people get this idea in their head that a single food is the magic behind cutting or gaining. Its a whole blend of many different things coming together.
As for the associated weight gain, you have to watch your total caloric in vs out. Just don't go too far beyond what you need. If you're consuming an extra 3000 calories per day... That's not all going to be muscle.
Concerning appetite suppression... I've only heard of that with skim milk. I've never heard that about whole milk, nor have I ever noticed it. Where did you read that? Fats impact appetite to an extent... But you should be getting some sort of fat in your meals one way or another. So its not like it should be some sort of huge appetite suppressant from whole milk alone.
I believe in using everything from nature as close as possible to its original form. I've read too many nasty things about skim milk and what not to even bother to try them.
Breastfeeding and our mother's milk didn't come around until 5000 years ago???
yeah dude if you don't think the world has been here for millions of years then there is no need to continue this conversation.
I suppose fossils of dinosaurs are fake as well
Back to the original topic of a gallon a day or more seriously that is how you get kidney stones. Drink lots of milk sodas and not enough water calcium deposits build up then your pissing stones. Seen a few young guys get em too and damn I wouldn't want that pain ever. Instead of a gallon of milk how about drink a gallon of water stay hydrated and eat your food.
Milk can be incredible beneficial for adding calories bro. But yeah... I'm not with the whole GOMAD lol. A lot of the people I've seen that did it ended up fat. As for kidney stones... I've had a few friends that got those (one of them drank coca-colas like nobody's business). It sounded like the most painful experience EVER.
Mattdogg
EVO V.I.P
No, they're not. Carbon-dating is just bullshit. lol
haha I love your sense of humor bro.
its those damn liberal scientists planting them!
those shark teeth fossils I find when I snorkel in the springs are just so the parks can charge us $5 entry and fool us into having fun, its the damn liberal gubment taking our money!
Bigbird138
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Steve, what say you about tribes in Africa who's almost sole source of protein is the milk and blood of their goats and other livestock? They don't have the resources to feed herds and eat the meat, so they found a way to get their protein and keep the animals alive. Do you propose that this has just begun in the last 100 or so years? Just curious.
no I said organized dairy farming in the US blew up in the last century as immigrants from Europe came here to farm and dairy farming was the popular thing to do.
our ancestors began farming thousands of years ago during the ag revolution, including in Africa.
today what I'm saying is that in Africa and Asia they do not consume milk by the gallons like people do in the States.. its a minority of people who do.. so the idea that drinking milk from cows has been going on throughout history and all over the world is just false. a million years ago our ancestors didn't sit around milking cows is my point. they hunted and gathered for their food, farming practices did not exist
the whole paleo thing is funny for this reason. if you eat anything farmed or raised you cannot claim you are really on a paleo diet.. yes I get the concept and paleo diet is awesome, i'm not saying it isn't.. but people who think that our ancestors a million years ago actually raised chickens, cows, and had dairy farms is ridiculous.
here is a map of who drinks milk and who doesn't
notice in Africa they do not drink it much.. this is likely due to the fact that people of African descent are less likely to be able to digest lactose than other races, plus obviously dairy farming probably doesn't do well in that part of the world. in Asia they do not drink milk for likely the same reasons.. kind of hard to have a dairy farm in the middle of a city of 14M people, however having visited china I can say that in rural parts of the country I did see milk drinking .. so it just depends on where you go within the country
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Bigbird138
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Those people I'm talking about likely aren't pasteurizing their milk either lol. I just wanted to make the point that there are places in the world where for long periods of time milk has been a primary protein source.
Not saying go out and drink a gallon.
Not saying go out and drink a gallon.
funny how times change I bet we will be laughing 20 years from now about the supplements we were taking saying that was so ancient and not efficient...
On that Note.
When I started Lifting, there was No Powdered Protein available.
There was some "God Awful" - Pre-Digested Liquid Protein.
That Shit Tasted Really Bad - Plus I don't think it was that Good for you either.............................................. JP
yeah I could also have that skinny kid eat a bunch of cupcakes and ice cream everyday too. same amount of sugar as a gallon of milk and he would gain weight as well.. but is that the best way?
Probably. Funny thing is, milk will still be included in a knowledgeable bodybuilder's diet.
okay trolling aside, whats healthy about 200g of sugar and 1500 calories? also a bunch of sodium.
cause that is what is in 1 gallon of milk. please tell me how that benefits a bodybuilder ?
you would have to drink 2 litres of coke a day to equal the amount of sugar in GOMAD, its just not a smart idea because people get in too much sugar as it is.
sugar is the #1 enemy of bodybuilders of what you can put in the body
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whiteboystomp
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We are strictly talking about "cows" milk here...correct? Because technically speaking...and this is backed by hard data-there is FAR more worldwide consume of goats milk than cow milk. And has been for much longer than Steve is stating. Herding of goats goes back almost to the beginning tracking of humans.
Even in its purist form (cow milk) is not as "good" for us as goats milk...on many MANY levels. Goats milk is the closest in content and bioavailability to human breast milk than any other.
Even in its purist form (cow milk) is not as "good" for us as goats milk...on many MANY levels. Goats milk is the closest in content and bioavailability to human breast milk than any other.
bingo.
I actually eat goat cheese as its far more digestable because as you stated its as close to human milk as you will get
but not to sidetrack the thread the OP is asking about a gallon of milk a day (and I'm 99.9% sure he means cow milk obviously).. I'm just not a fan of dirty bulking with that much sugar. I'm not impressed if a skinny guy adds a bunch of bloat, fat, and water.. that's what will generally happen if they do GOMAD. guys need to learn how to eat and train the proper way. you don't need to get in a zillion g of sugar and cals a day to bulk the right way.
Lmao!!!! Steve and I went at it about milk a couple years ago on EF. Although I have to say I'm half in agreement with both you now. The things we do to process milk fucks it up for us. But the nutrients in milk that we should be absorbing are good I believe. Some of us can't process lactose but that's a distinction of the body, not the milk. I think it's our environment that's fucking up our digestion which is why lactose intolerance is more common in modern days. Same with gluten allergies.
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It's genetic. As children we possess the enzyme to break down mothers milk. So, a large number of people lose this enzyme after a young age. Why? Well sometimes with enzymes, if you don't use it you lose it.
Did you know the same is true for digestion enzymes in your saliva? If you don't fully utilize them, your body produces less...but I digress.
Well what happens is the body naturally learns to adapt to new foods, which is why paleo diets are nonsense. Paleo suggests that the last great forms of food were found millions of years ago, not true. The body will continue to adapt to new, nutrient dense forms of food that can actually be better and more readily available than the foods of before.
So what does this mean with milk? Well remember, for a long time milk was not present past infancy, so many lose that enzyme. However, since dairy has come about, some people keep the enzyme throughout adulthood, and others lose it at varying times. Normally, the people who keep the enzyme had ancestors who consumed milk...but this is theory. I like to think of it like this though...
The other side of it is that some have an intolerance to casein...I fit into this category.
Everything in moderation my good fellows - I could drink milk all day - if I wanted too. But that's gross so just diversify your self bitches - Wu Tang!
Contraband
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I've done the gallon a day. It really wasn't something I researched, I was in college and working at Home Depot. So during a shift I would just run back into the break room and drink as much as I could over and over again. Seemed to be the fastest way to get some calories since I didn't have time to stop and heat up food or sit down to eat. Plus at 9 grams of protein x like 12 servings...100 extra grams of protein seemed perfect. As for Mass, I didn't really put that much on, didn't seem like anything I did in college made a difference in really getting bigger. I've tried a lot of different things to put on weight and the only two that really made a huge difference were:
1. Peanut butter - 1lb per day ~3000 calories, in addition to the meals you currently eat, I try to wake up and eat the entire container
2. Family size lasagna - ~6lb per day ~2300 calories, I ate these between breakfast and lunch with separate pre-gym and post-gym meals
**Dont expect lean mass, just expect mass. Run for 30 days.
1. Peanut butter - 1lb per day ~3000 calories, in addition to the meals you currently eat, I try to wake up and eat the entire container
2. Family size lasagna - ~6lb per day ~2300 calories, I ate these between breakfast and lunch with separate pre-gym and post-gym meals
**Dont expect lean mass, just expect mass. Run for 30 days.
the_anapolack
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cup or 2 of milk kefir all you need daily
smegal
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A gallon of milk a day is too much calcium for the body to absorb. You run the risk of developing gallstones or kidney stones. If you have ever had or know someone who's had kidney stones, it's often ranked as equivalent to the pain experienced by women during pregnancy.
I know someone who downs a gallon of milk a day, he is a fat thing. Every one thinks he is a big dude but he is a big fat lard ass. I love milk myself, but only, if it is straight from the cow and non homogenized. once milk is pasteurized and homogenized, it's not so good for you. Look up some of the facts on the web.
Arnoldpalm2088
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Just do the Milk challenge
wheresdabeef
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I wouldn't go that route. I did half a gallon of chocolate milk a day for a few months a while back. I definitely made some gains, but........ it was all juicy blubbery fatness. I love milk, but I try to keep it to a minimum. As Steve said "the only people who drink chocolate milk are 2nd graders". Haha There are definitely better ways to get your calories up
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