Naturally low test level advice

[brownbrah]

I recently have been having some issues that led me to believe that my test levels were low. I got them checked and they were 270 ng/dl and the place where I got the bloods done had a normal range of 250 ng/dl to 1050 ng/dl for a 24 year old male. I barely made it in the normal range which is pretty f'kin low for a 24 year old who has been lifting and dieting for about a year and half.

My doctor says theres nothing wrong with me as I am in the normal range and says that my anxiety, depression and occasional erectile problems are psycholigical (bs). Btw I am 190 lbs and 18% body fat and have been lifting seriously for a year and 5 months. I have done extensive research about aas and pct for doing a first cycle but want to hold off until I significantly lower bf% and improve lifts.

My question is, after doing a cycle and proper pct i have read that test levels are bound to be lower than the starting point. If I eventually do a cycle and my test levels drop further it would fk my life up. TRT could be a solution but my doctor is a ahole. Also TRT means being dependent on needles for the rest of my life which I don't really want to go for.

I do not know what to do in this situation

 

[gearhead]

just get some test and run the TRT yourself...many doctors dont know shit bro....

 

[NERD]

just get some test and run the TRT yourself...many doctors dont know shit bro....

Quoted for truth.

What's the point of doing PCT only to get back your useless, shitty testosterone production? TRT for life.

 

[brownbrah]

so you guys saying that i should be getting gear myself and keep pinning ?

 

[NERD2]

so you guys saying that i should be getting gear myself and keep pinning ?

Yeah, unless you want to have erectile dysfunction, mental issues and a bad physique for the rest of your life. You don't even have to pin that much for TRT. Testosterone undecanoate has a half life of 20 days. Pinning every two weeks would be sufficient.

 

[bulldog333]

C'mon guys seriously at 24 your jumping him straight on TRT...?

I have to disagree with this approach as the first step solution. To me this is a last resort move. Bro there are lots of natural options to try before jumping on TRT...your 24 that means if you live till your 80 you inject for the next 56 years...

You could try natural test boosters, DAA, HCGenerate

 

[professorDD87]

Suicidal ai always do the trick for me have me feeling like $100,000,000

 

[Oldschool]

Low testosterone among young males is more common these days.
I would get a referral to an endocrinologist and not deal with a GP.
There are also other options than needles to administer testosterone.
Good luck.

 

[NeverSatisfied]

Don't waste ur time or money with over the counter bullshit test boosters.
Find urself a doc who wants to help u. Or run ur own trt. My endo has me on 250mg/week test e. And life's fucking great.

 

[Salty Pickle]

C'mon guys seriously at 24 your jumping him straight on TRT...?

I have to disagree with this approach as the first step solution. To me this is a last resort move. Bro there are lots of natural options to try before jumping on TRT...your 24 that means if you live till your 80 you inject for the next 56 years...

You could try natural test boosters, DAA, HCGenerate

I agree with bulldog. This guy is not in his 40's or 50's. Don't push him towards TRT yet. TRT is a life long commitment and not something to be taken lightly. TRT should be THE last resort in my opinion.

 

[caveman72]

just get some test and run the TRT yourself...many doctors dont know shit bro....

please 24 don't there's options nutritional do you squat with intensity I had low test my whole life but still grew had good everything else.read more

caveman72 using not abusing

 

[brownbrah]

Thanks for all the advice guys. I just feel I'm in a difficult situation right now, I've tried all those bs test boosters, daa and zma. It made me feel better for a while, but it was placebo I guess all it did was give me crazy wood.

My real wake up call has been recently as my girl left me, I've changed my lifestyle around been lifting and diet is always in check and I still come up with a 270 ng/dl result. I do have access to test e from India, I'm just afraid to do anything with it as I don't know what dosage should I be pinning and if the gear is dosed properly. I have set up an appointment with an endo hope he is not a douche

 

[stevesmi]

I wouldn't jump on TRT at 24.

your issues are not going to go away jumping on HRT, sounds like you have a lot of other issues going on.

 

[bulldog333]

Test levels can directly reflect the amount of stress or depression someone may be experincing...like Steve said it sounds like there is more to this situation than just low T...more information might be helpful in helping you out bro...

 

[hurricane]

I recently have been having some issues that led me to believe that my test levels were low. I got them checked and they were 270 ng/dl and the place where I got the bloods done had a normal range of 250 ng/dl to 1050 ng/dl for a 24 year old male. I barely made it in the normal range which is pretty f'kin low for a 24 year old who has been lifting and dieting for about a year and half.

My doctor says theres nothing wrong with me as I am in the normal range and says that my anxiety, depression and occasional erectile problems are psycholigical (bs). Btw I am 190 lbs and 18% body fat and have been lifting seriously for a year and 5 months. I have done extensive research about aas and pct for doing a first cycle but want to hold off until I significantly lower bf% and improve lifts.

My question is, after doing a cycle and proper pct i have read that test levels are bound to be lower than the starting point. If I eventually do a cycle and my test levels drop further it would fk my life up. TRT could be a solution but my doctor is a ahole. Also TRT means being dependent on needles for the rest of my life which I don't really want to go for.

I do not know what to do in this situation

270 is low! you dont want to live in levels like that.Goto another doctor.You can get trt with those levels

 

[Bigguy35]

Your girl left you , your depressed , you have anxiety which I'm sure leads you to being stressed , which is a killer . All these symptoms will bring your test down for sure . I would wait at least another year or so and try to sort out your issues and keep exercising and eating right. Recheck your bloods and go from there . Good luck bud!

 

[RickRock]

I'm not sure why they said you were in normal range, when everywhere I've seen bottom normal range is around 350. I remember when my levels were around 200 before I went on self TRT, and I felt like shit and hated life. That's no way to live man

 

[Shrine]

Maybe I missed it, but are you taking any meds? That's super low test but I personally wouldnt jump on TRT just yet. What are your eating habits like? Are you taking any supplements, vitamins and such? Mine was in the low 300's but I continued to train hard, especially my legs, and my levels are right around 700 and Im 32.

 

[dylangemelli]

Test levels can directly reflect the amount of stress or depression someone may be experincing...like Steve said it sounds like there is more to this situation than just low T...more information might be helpful in helping you out bro...

good points throughout this thread from you man... thank you for giving more safe and precautionary advice as a starting point as opposed to just jumping into a solution that may not be the best and definitely not the ideal option considering the circumstances...

SOMETHING is causing this... there's a root somewhere that needs to be found because at that age, unless you have been cycling big cycles, which you said you have not, then you should not have any sort of these type of issues going on... you need to see a specialist first... have you tried anything else at all aside from being advised trt? clearly, your levels are not within range and are very low for anyone, ESPECIALLY someone your age... eliminating stresses, cleaning diet, staying active, etc. are all integral... i would at least try some natural remedies first before you make a life changing decision... this is quite a significant decision to make at your age and its being thrown around as if its no big deal... Yes, the condition is certainly cause for concern but treating it needs to be done with delicacy at first to ensure health and longevity is maintained... you want the highest quality of life before anything else...

 

[dylangemelli]

Don't waste ur time or money with over the counter bullshit test boosters.
Find urself a doc who wants to help u. Or run ur own trt. My endo has me on 250mg/week test e. And life's fucking great.

really... so at 24 just run your own, and on top of that, run it that high as well, which is higher than a normal trt dose... real nice and responsible advice... im sure you have extensive experience, product development, client relations, etc. on this topic and that qualifies such an in depth response that you have provided... you have tried it all i assume then, correct? i also assume you find it completely fine to tell someone UNDER 25 that trt is fine at that age without even knowing the root of the problem? you would be the best doctor on the planet... absolutely...

 

[JackSteel]

you heard the experts, i'd get a script bro. Fuck having low test. it'll make life sucks balls.

 

[brownbrah]

Maybe I missed it, but are you taking any meds? That's super low test but I personally wouldnt jump on TRT just yet. What are your eating habits like? Are you taking any supplements, vitamins and such? Mine was in the low 300's but I continued to train hard, especially my legs, and my levels are right around 700 and Im 32.

I have not been on any medication previously, I could say I have always had some mild anxiety issues but never considered it anything serious. I am on a cut right now trying to get my bodyfat sub 15 or probably 13%. I am on a caloric deficit and try to eat about 2000 - 2200 cals a day max. My protein intake is high and trying to keep carbs to the minimum. Right now I am 195 lbs, I have lost about 15 lbs on this diet over 6 months and went from 26% bf to 18% bf. I have lost strength but that was expected.

I know my t levels are pathetic and I did my bloods like 3 weeks ago so I can only imagine how low my t levels would have been before this.

 

[brownbrah]

good points throughout this thread from you man... thank you for giving more safe and precautionary advice as a starting point as opposed to just jumping into a solution that may not be the best and definitely not the ideal option considering the circumstances...

SOMETHING is causing this... there's a root somewhere that needs to be found because at that age, unless you have been cycling big cycles, which you said you have not, then you should not have any sort of these type of issues going on... you need to see a specialist first... have you tried anything else at all aside from being advised trt? clearly, your levels are not within range and are very low for anyone, ESPECIALLY someone your age... eliminating stresses, cleaning diet, staying active, etc. are all integral... i would at least try some natural remedies first before you make a life changing decision... this is quite a significant decision to make at your age and its being thrown around as if its no big deal... Yes, the condition is certainly cause for concern but treating it needs to be done with delicacy at first to ensure health and longevity is maintained... you want the highest quality of life before anything else...

Yes that's correct I have never touched aas in my entire life and I'm a newbie. I would say mental stress may be one of the biggest factors that have lowered my t levels, although right now in my life I have taken active steps to decrease stress. I can say I have moved on after my break up, working out and meeting new women has definitely helped. Cleaning out my diet and losing bodyfat also helped me a lot although doing bloodwork recently showed such a low result only fueled my concerns. My doctor is also an asshat and thinks all my problems are completely psychological.

 

[mjg90]

Someone with level of 300 can have the same muscle mass, sex performance, physical bone appearance (brow, jaw, shoulders) as someone with levels in the 700s. Its possible that your levels are normal. Without blood test reference from when you were 17-22 its hard to determine. You might just be feeling the way you are for the same reason millions of people feel that way after a breakup, its sad. More specifically, it puts a big question mark in the place of that fantastic future you had invisioned. Replace the question mark with ambitions in business, a new girl, etc. My advice would be to put a double dose on your leg training weekly, drinks LOTS of water, take a good multi vitamin, and have your levels checked again in 6 months. Ive taken big breaks between cycles and when i start to slack on legs i notice a difference in my energy levels

 

[Shultz]

You got two camps here.

Camp one is the "shoot up some roids brah!! You will feel great!!".

Camp two is "there is too many factors to consider so go see a specialist and get your personal life on track".

Hmmmm. What do do. What to doooooo.

I tell you the truth here. If you get TRT/HRT, it does work. It fixes the symptoms. But it does not fix the problem. HRT is for men and women who, due to a physical fault, cannot produce enough hormones to be "normal".

Sorta like diabetes. You want to pin insulin for the rest of your life? Or stop eating shit and go exercise. One fixes the symptoms, the other, if your pancreas is not totally dead, fixes the problem.

At your age you need to find out what's causing the issue. If it's stress, which is often the case, then you can fix the problem. Need a woman? There are 7 billion people on the planet. Half of them are women. Go see a specialist. If he/she is a dick, go see another specialist. Finding a good doctor is like finding a good woman. You got to look around a bit. Don't settle for the first one that likes your wallet. Find one you can talk to and communicate freely. Get it right and you will be set for life.

 

[fortitude18]

I recently have been having some issues that led me to believe that my test levels were low. I got them checked and they were 270 ng/dl and the place where I got the bloods done had a normal range of 250 ng/dl to 1050 ng/dl for a 24 year old male. I barely made it in the normal range which is pretty f'kin low for a 24 year old who has been lifting and dieting for about a year and half.

My doctor says theres nothing wrong with me as I am in the normal range and says that my anxiety, depression and occasional erectile problems are psycholigical (bs). Btw I am 190 lbs and 18% body fat and have been lifting seriously for a year and 5 months. I have done extensive research about aas and pct for doing a first cycle but want to hold off until I significantly lower bf% and improve lifts.

My question is, after doing a cycle and proper pct i have read that test levels are bound to be lower than the starting point. If I eventually do a cycle and my test levels drop further it would fk my life up. TRT could be a solution but my doctor is a ahole. Also TRT means being dependent on needles for the rest of my life which I don't really want to go for.

I do not know what to do in this situation

See on ENDO.....There not all dumb asses just about Half.

 

[texas monster]

I would suggest just keep working on diet and training ...... once you feels those increasing I bet your levels will be higher.

 

[meathead96]

See another doc for a second opinon.

 

[brownbrah]

Thanks for all the advice brahs, I got in touch with an endo in town but she says I have to be referred to her by a gp (whatever!). I emailed my doctor and he will forward my information to her soon and I can set up an appointment after.

I have one questions, I have read that SARMS are non suppressive and have limited sides. Can you educate me on doing a SARMS cycle like a cutting stack or something and will that be helpful for me?

 

[leostern]

You’re getting good advice here, and I would also jump on the “go see a specialist” wagon as a first step. Now I have a question for this group. I’ve been meaning to post this question as a standalone thread, but it fits here nicely. If it already exists somewhere else, I haven’t found it yet so please redirect me as necessary.

What are the relative T counts for some of the guys on this forum? Would anyone be willing to share that information? Basically I’m trying to understand what results can be from expected with these UGL products.

I’m 47, on TRT cream, not pining, with a T count around 800.

What are you running, at what qty, and resulting T count?

 

[brownbrah]

Update: My endo appointment has been made for 25th February, apparently I have the busiest endo here (fukin hate this city).

Also, I have decided to give HCGenerate ES a try, made my order today. I hope it helps me just as a standalone, I will keep you guys updated with my progress and experience with HCGenerate ES

 

[31yogymrat]

Sometimes test boosters don't work for me but my buddy thinks they are the shit. You have to find out what works for you. I'm glad your not pinning at 25, give it a few years. I would wait for a little and have another test done to make sure your test is really that low. My buddy, who is 40yo, had a blood test done it came back with 192 test and 15 estradiol. A week later had another test done, with the same lab and it came back with 575 test and 25 estradiol. Too many factors to consider what the issue is, find the root like dylan said, pull it.

 

[moejo]

In Canada, there's clinics -bio hormone replacement centers. They can run blood tests and prescribe based on test results. I would assume the States are the same. It's worth the check and the education. Then you can respond. There is nothing wrong with doing lower level does to maintain and sustain.

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[moejo]

I know from my own experience, it brought me out of depression. I felt great, started looking good, felt better and overall my life was better. Diet changed, habits changed and motivation was there.....again

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[fearfulsymmetry]

Is your doctor a general or an endo? Get an endo and get your levels checked again . My general wouldn't put me on TRT but my endo did.

 

[brownbrah]

Is your doctor a general or an endo? Get an endo and get your levels checked again . My general wouldn't put me on TRT but my endo did.

my doctor is a general, got an endo appointment in the end of February.

I know from my own experience, it brought me out of depression. I felt great, started looking good, felt better and overall my life was better. Diet changed, habits changed and motivation was there.....again

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I'm from Canada too. Can you tell more about these clinics? I did a search for Ontario but didn't find anything that looked something like what you're talking about. Are you talking about naturopaths?

 

[brownbrah]

Sometimes test boosters don't work for me but my buddy thinks they are the shit. You have to find out what works for you. I'm glad your not pinning at 25, give it a few years. I would wait for a little and have another test done to make sure your test is really that low. My buddy, who is 40yo, had a blood test done it came back with 192 test and 15 estradiol. A week later had another test done, with the same lab and it came back with 575 test and 25 estradiol. Too many factors to consider what the issue is, find the root like dylan said, pull it.

I've tried every test booster on the market dropped tons of money on them. I'll get my bloodwork done again as soon as I have a paper from my endo because here in Canada it is almost impossible to find a lab that will do it without paper.