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Vinni@319
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Damn Bro, you gotta serious plan don't you? That's awesome! Why are you gonna stop the Test after 4 weeks? Supply issue? Why not run the Test for 10-12 weeks straight then tighten up with the mast to finish.
The meal plan looks like a winner. Others will have to help with the cycle.
Good luck and keep us updated!
The meal plan looks like a winner. Others will have to help with the cycle.
Good luck and keep us updated!
frostb1te
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I'll go ahead and start on monday, but all the grocerys on sunday. 
2lbs of uncooked long grain white rice - $1.46
2.2lbs of 100% ground beef (80% lean/20% fat) - $7.32
3.5lbs raw chicken breast – $12.01
3 dozen large grade A eggs - $5.99
0.5 gallon whole milk - $1.81
3lbs fresh bananas - $1.80
4lbs uncooked white potatoes - $2.65
2lbs romaine lettuce - $3.08
1.5lbs uncooked black beans - $2.16
0.5lb peanut butter - $1.30
7 bags of frozen vegetables (e.g. broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, carrots, mixture) - $7.00
1.5lbs uncooked oatmeal - $2.25
2lbs of uncooked long grain white rice - $1.46
2.2lbs of 100% ground beef (80% lean/20% fat) - $7.32
3.5lbs raw chicken breast – $12.01
3 dozen large grade A eggs - $5.99
0.5 gallon whole milk - $1.81
3lbs fresh bananas - $1.80
4lbs uncooked white potatoes - $2.65
2lbs romaine lettuce - $3.08
1.5lbs uncooked black beans - $2.16
0.5lb peanut butter - $1.30
7 bags of frozen vegetables (e.g. broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, carrots, mixture) - $7.00
1.5lbs uncooked oatmeal - $2.25
I'll go ahead and start on monday, but all the grocerys on sunday.
2lbs of uncooked long grain white rice - $1.46
2.2lbs of 100% ground beef (80% lean/20% fat) - $7.32
3.5lbs raw chicken breast – $12.01
3 dozen large grade A eggs - $5.99
0.5 gallon whole milk - $1.81
3lbs fresh bananas - $1.80
4lbs uncooked white potatoes - $2.65
2lbs romaine lettuce - $3.08
1.5lbs uncooked black beans - $2.16
0.5lb peanut butter - $1.30
7 bags of frozen vegetables (e.g. broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, carrots, mixture) - $7.00
1.5lbs uncooked oatmeal - $2.25
i like this. i wish more people would lay it out like this guy has
170 to 190 at your height is a big jump to expect in 1 cycle. your body is going to hate you for putting on that much weight that fast. and I mean in terms of your organ health and joints
why not set a goal of 5 solid pounds and not worry about moving the scale with dirty bulking
why not set a goal of 5 solid pounds and not worry about moving the scale with dirty bulking
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The cycle looks solid to me. Add some N2guard and HCGenerate to the PCT. Also, add the HCGenerate to the entire cycle at a somewhat lower dosage. Your testes will be grateful for that.
Your meals look great too.
It is a real pleasure to see someone plant everything so precisely and in detail. I am sure you will have a good cycle, so keep us posted.
Regaring the bulking, yes, ofcourse you can, and even should start bulking now - as long as you train though.
Your meals look great too.
It is a real pleasure to see someone plant everything so precisely and in detail. I am sure you will have a good cycle, so keep us posted.
Regaring the bulking, yes, ofcourse you can, and even should start bulking now - as long as you train though.
frostb1te
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Was not hoping for 20lb's for a cycle lol just for my overall bulking, I'll be continuing to bulk even after my cycle is complete.
^^^ I hear ya bro.. I am actually about your height and clocking in at 194 right now which is a big jump, and boy are my joints feeling it .. I 'cut' down to low 180's earlier this year and my joints and body felt great. just trying to save ya from having to take a big step back
you have a good set up, you should easily reach your goals
you have a good set up, you should easily reach your goals
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OK, quick question.
What's your Reasoning for the Ramp-up on the Test E from 250 Mg for the 1st 4 Weeks to 500 Mg through Week 12.
Makes no sense, start at 500 mg a Week for the entire 12 Weeks.
Test E is a Long Ester and as such needs time to Reach Steady State, about 3 to 5 Half-lives.
Then you would Interrupt that at Week 5 and waste another 24 to 30 Days to get to your New Steady State.
Also, drop that Dbol, and go for Tbol.
Why do you want to Bloat all up from the Beginning of your Cycle.
Especially if you want to include Masteron.
Which I would only run if you get your BF% down to at least 10% of lower.
If not, your just wasting it...................................... JP
P.S.
One Final Thought.
Unless your Body is Extremely Adept at Burning Carbs, and I don't think so at your Current BF%.
I would Completely Drop those Black Beans, and downgrade your Carb Intake into the Low 200 Gram range.
And Up that Protein into the Mid 200 Gram range.
What's your Reasoning for the Ramp-up on the Test E from 250 Mg for the 1st 4 Weeks to 500 Mg through Week 12.
Makes no sense, start at 500 mg a Week for the entire 12 Weeks.
Test E is a Long Ester and as such needs time to Reach Steady State, about 3 to 5 Half-lives.
Then you would Interrupt that at Week 5 and waste another 24 to 30 Days to get to your New Steady State.
Also, drop that Dbol, and go for Tbol.
Why do you want to Bloat all up from the Beginning of your Cycle.
Especially if you want to include Masteron.
Which I would only run if you get your BF% down to at least 10% of lower.
If not, your just wasting it...................................... JP
P.S.
One Final Thought.
Unless your Body is Extremely Adept at Burning Carbs, and I don't think so at your Current BF%.
I would Completely Drop those Black Beans, and downgrade your Carb Intake into the Low 200 Gram range.
And Up that Protein into the Mid 200 Gram range.
frostb1te
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This is the exact criticism that I am looking for.
As for the TEST E, i've been researching other cycles and found people who use anything as a kick start they lowered the dose of the Test e. About this steady state thing, i'll start off at 500mg and keep with it. As for the dbol, it's already on its way there's really no going back for that one. I guess i could remove the masteron for another cycle and what would you replace the black beans with? tuna?
you dont need to be on steriods to start a workout program and diet to help you achieve your goals.. start now and you will get where you wanna be quicker
This is the exact criticism that I am looking for.
As for the TEST E, i've been researching other cycles and found people who use anything as a kick start they lowered the dose of the Test e. About this steady state thing, i'll start off at 500mg and keep with it. As for the dbol, it's already on its way there's really no going back for that one. I guess i could remove the masteron for another cycle and what would you replace the black beans with? tuna?
People that start out at a Lower Dose and Ramp-Up.
Have No Idea of the Pharmacokinetics of Steroids, and need to do more Research on the Subject.
You can do the Dbol as your Kickstart, but you really need to pay attention to your Diet.
Dbol has an Affinity for adding a lot of Water to the Muscle.
And by doing so, the risk of HBP goes up.
Plus, you really don't keep much of what you gain on Dbol.
That's why I mentioned the Tbol, you get much Cleaner Gains without the Water, so what you gain is much easier to keep.
As far as the Masteron, you have to do an Honest Self-Assessment.
Do you think that when you are ready to do it, your BF% will be low enough to make it Worthwhile.
Yes, replace the Beans with either Tuna or better yet Fresh Fish.
If you go with the Canned Tuna, make sure you check the Sodium Levels on the Can (water-packed only)............................... JP
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Pharmacokinetics ~ is the Study of the processes of Absorption/Distribution/Metabolism & Elimination of Drugs within the Body.
frostb1te
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The dbol and not as high carbs makes since. Sounds like an over bloating experience ;p. I always thought the kickstart was for the extra strength to start out with rather than alittle extra size. I was going to use it to get my strength higher to push more reps out to start and maintain that and more.
It all depends on which AAS you're using for a Kickstart.
Because a lot of Guys don't like that wait when using a Longer Ester Test, they started adding in an Oral for the 1st 4 Weeks.
While the Test Builds Up or what is known as Steady-State................................... JP
P.S.
It's all about Stable Hormone Levels.
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I understand using an Oral like Dbol.
But it does have its drawbacks, primarily Bloat.
So if you keep your Diet Clean, you can Mitigate some of that.
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frostb1te
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Alright thanks for the help!
steeltownclown
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You can bulk year round! The better question is...when to start cutting! haha. I start bulk in september typically. Start my cut in February...beach body by June/July
frostb1te
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Lol i just ate some cheese cake and short bread. Does that count as ice cream?
That'll have to do for now
riprock713
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Yes!! 165 is a great weight to start bulking, get your body used to taking more calories then when you get your gear it will be used to your caloric intake except be a lot more efficient!
i went from 175 to 165 for my cut.
