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Test e and Tren e cycle log

Hard89

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I thought I would make a cycle log as it is my first cycle with tren I wanted to share with you my experience.
So it started out as 25mg winstrol, 12.5 mg aromasin as well as a plethora of vitamins/day 250mg test e per week with 300mg tren e eod injections . Well that felt amazing my libido, appetite and aggression in my workouts all went up within the first week. So like many fools before me I upped my dose currently taking 375mg test e/wk and tren e bumped up to 525mg/wk. So far I have not regretted my decision and my wife is loving how animalistic I am and my endurance in the bedroom. Workouts are better than ever I feel absolutely amazing. But as you know nothing comes free. I have noticed I need to exert extreme control over my mood . I am generally really happy. But the stupidest things annoy you. I have noticed as well if I carb load body heat goes through the roof so I've actually been trying adding in a ketosys shake a day and eating more foods to give myself a little more fat rnergy and less carbs eating about 30% protein 30% fat and 40% carbs. Seems to be bulking nicely without to much fat gain. Gaining about 4-1ratio muscle to fat so I can live with that in a bulk cycle. I am rather lean anyway when I started a was 12.5% bf not sure what I'm at now guessing 13 but my scale isn't as accurate. Will keep you posted.
 
No I have read the increase in prolactin from the caber can increase progesterone synergistically. I have read pros and cons on it from multiple sources and I chose not to. I am taking 600mg b6, 400mg sam e, co q10 at 400mg , vitamin e 200mg as well as ahwadagha at 600mg and maca at 3000mg all of which "help" control those issues and my libido is increased not decreased. I do have caber on hand but I'm not taking it unless I need it.
 
Caber is used to control prolactin levels, just as an AI does for estrogen, not raise it.
Long as you control estrogen it shouldn't be a problem anyhow.
 
Okay it has a lot of nasty sides, and I read that about estrogen thats why I'm keeping test lower and ai everyday
 
I would have to agree with that statement and my levels haven't even balanced yet . I will say this about tren though; best anti smoking aid I've used. I hate smoking on tren, tastes like shit. If I do make it through the cigarette I feel like a wheezing obese mess. So thats worth it in itself to me. I hate that I started smoking. I have noticed that my willpower is stronger lately too. I don't know if its the tren as well, but if I want something a certain way I will MAKE it work. Like moving heavy shit at work, or doing another set when I can't do the last rep of tge previous set. I've always been stubborn but it's definitely been amplified. The last couple days
 
Sounds like pretty typical tren side effects to me. After a few weeks of that it gets old though. I never run tren more than 8 weeks because I just get sick of the sides.

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Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Sounds like pretty typical tren side effects to me. After a few weeks of that it gets old though. I never run tren more than 8 weeks because I just get sick of the sides.

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I felt so lucky this run, had zero tren sides for 2 weeks, this week its all coming back to me...
Horrible nightmares, insane sweating, insomnia, weird thoughts etc.
 
These were taken first thing this morning so no pumped up pictures. I figured I should do a before and after photo with this cycle.
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Got my first bout of tren cough today. Thats an odd feeling. Trying out new syringe's but these ones don't flow as smoothly. Nicked a vein mid injection. Pulled out and finished in a different spot but that was enough. Felt like someone sitting on my chest

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Hard89 said:
Got my first bout of tren cough today. Thats an odd feeling. Trying out new syringe's but these ones don't flow as smoothly. Nicked a vein mid injection. Pulled out and finished in a different spot but that was enough. Felt like someone sitting on my chest

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bro add cardarine...will fix the cough
 
I'll try that. Never felt it till I got that vein. My new syringes I had to push so hard I was shaking lol I felt it go in aspirated an got blood so I don't know how much went in but normally I pin pretty smooth never did that before. But I will check out the cardarine. It went away right away though so that was good.
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bro add cardarine...will fix the cough
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Hard89 said:
I'll try that. Never felt it till I got that vein. My new syringes I had to push so hard I was shaking lol I felt it go in aspirated an got blood so I don't know how much went in but normally I pin pretty smooth never did that before. But I will check out the cardarine. It went away right away though so that was good.

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bro 20mgs cardarine/day...works wonders...
https://www.evolutionary.org/cardarine-gw-501516-explained
https://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone-cardarine-gw-and-cardio-side-effects
 
Ordered some
CARDARINE (GW501516) 20mg X 30ml today going to start taking 1ml a day. When is the best time to take it ?

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Hard89 said:
Ordered some
CARDARINE (GW501516) 20mg X 30ml today going to start taking 1ml a day. When is the best time to take it ?

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bro be careful if you got it from a bad source...
 
Hard89 said:
It came with a cerWell they had a certificate of analysis. Showing excellent purity. But now you got me wondering. Its sarm supply

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bro ive seen a ton of fake certificates ...
 
Well the tren is in full force. In my 4th week now strength is up. Body temp it up a little high for my comfort level but bearable. Will be starting cardarine tonight. Hopefully its legit. I feel lethargic overall. Could be the tren or working in the heat the last few days. Been drinking plenty of water. Holding on to none.



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Well I weighed myself today anf I'm down 5 pounds from a week ago. I probably due for batteries in the scale but I do feel lighter. Definitely lean and hard though. I stopped doing the dirty bulk with that fat shake. So that could be it. Still eating like 5000 cal a day. Can't wrap my head around dirty bulking. Felt like I was wrecking my whole lifes work. So I took out the keto shake. The tren is definitely in my head now. Small shit seems bigger than it should be. Feel like I'm on an emotional roller coaster. With really happy highs and frustrated low's. I can se why people don't do this more than 8 weeks the next 4.5 should be interesting haha. But I'm going to keep giving it an honest go. Switched up my workout last night as they were getting mundane. Tried doing high reps with a lower weight, less and shorter breaks. Felt really good at the end. Hard as fuck



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My energy seems to be up from the last few days. And its hotter out today. The cardarine must be working. I've never taken it before so I don't really know what to expect.

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The gains are starting to show up. Been kinda busy dealing with some fucked up shit with my dog but will post some pictures soon.

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Sounds like typical tren issues. Is the cardarine helping? I’ll have to try it my next cycle of tren.
 
Actually yes, I didn't know what to expect but my It cut down on the fatigue quite a bit. Feel a noticeable difference dropping the liquid right in my mouth. As appose to mixing it in my protein shake. Its gross though i'm pretty sure its just suspended in everclear.
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Sounds like typical tren issues. Is the cardarine helping? I’ll have to try it my next cycle of tren.
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So I'm getting a bit of a puffy neck. I did have a day or two I drank a little less water than I should and ate some shit I shouldn't have. You can't put a box of dohnuts in front of me without me cleaning the box lol . So this could be where it came from any other ideas. I know its not estrogen because I had sensitive nipples a couple weeks in and hsve been alternating a 25mg dose of my aromasin in since then. Which lowers e 80% apparently. And I do feel like my e is low so I don't think that's it. Is it just my shitty diet the last couple days? I have grown quite a bit the last few days . Not all good lol

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Never vould break 178 lol so thats new. I like tren. 4 more weeks to go.
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They are waaay cheaper than a lot of places. seem to be helping I don't kniw if its dosed proper but it works

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I'm finding that. Tren is amazing will never do another bulk cycle without it. I'm up 10 pounds, gained like 4 pounds in fat but I've also lost 4lbs of water so my lbm is going up nicely. There really is no such thing as a hardgainer on tren. I love that its not water weight. I did an expirement to see if I felt the sides more with more test in my test tren ratio. The other day I shot 100mg of test suspension pre workout. And holy fuck that night could sleep couldn't get comfortable. Was tired all next day too of course. Glad it was only suspension as it's cleared now. Glad I didn't up my test e dose. All in all the 375mg/week test and 525mg/week tren is working wonders for me. Either I just got used to itor whatever. But aggravation is down. Mood is generally happy as normal lol.
Current stats (morning no clothes) 177lb 18.5%bf 57% body water chest 44" legs 24" arms 14.5" waist 33"
Chemically Enhanced said:
Tren is the king! I'll get myself some again, after I find a good source.
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So I 'm still tuning where I want my ratios hindsight I know why its best to use prop and acetate for your first cycle. After throwing in the test suspension the tren sides got way worse. Trouble sleeping and anxiety about not sleeping lol which is weird because I used to be an insomniac so its nothing new. You just get weird thought patterns on this shit. I am lowering my test e to 250mg a week I don't think its really needed on tren. Just want enough to stay healthy. My body composition is all over the place on tren. It's like a time lapse I gain fatty muscle and it gets turned to lbm in a day. Never experienced such a fast acting hormone.

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I dropped the winstrol for a couple weeks going to take it the last two weeks while the test e and tren e clears. At week 8 I'm going to switch to test prop for two weeks and add in the winstrol again to finish. I have had tingles and itches randomly too. Anyone experience this? Possibilities are possibly allergic to tren( I read everyone is a little allergic), too much beta alanine kinda lost track been taking 3200mg every day for 8 weeks so that could've built up maybe. Or worst case my liver is hating me right now. Any thoughts? I am stopping the beta alanine and winstrol I'll see if that helps

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So I was thinking I might extend my cycle a bit. I am going to switch to test prop after my last test e and tren e shot. Would 4 weeks be enough to see any results from mast prop? Would it harden up my gains a bit more. I'm pretty lean and dry right now anyway I just thought it might help. And if so what dosage?

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Hard89 said:
So I was thinking I might extend my cycle a bit. I am going to switch to test prop after my last test e and tren e shot. Would 4 weeks be enough to see any results from mast prop? Would it harden up my gains a bit more. I'm pretty lean and dry right now anyway I just thought it might help. And if so what dosage?

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How long have you been on so far?
 
I will be stopping test and tren e at 8 weeks and I stopped winny at 4

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Was thinking of doing the test and mast prop for 4 weeks for a total of 12weeks then my pct

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Hard89 said:
Was thinking of doing the test and mast prop for 4 weeks for a total of 12weeks then my pct

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that doesn't sound bad, I'm just not too familiar with mast prop so I'll defer to the experts on that part. But the rest sounds totally fine to me. Similar to mine minus the mast prop.
 
So apparently winstrol just makes me burn up. I tried it on another cycle and I sweat so bad at nights the bed was soaked. This cycle I was using tren so u justvassumed I was gonna be cooking anyway so I added it in ( logic on that one seems funny) Anyway since I cut the winstrol I'm having basically no sides. Just the minor agitation. I guess winstrol just isn't for me I guess I much prefer anavar. Winstrol did make me harder i think but the sides arn't worth it for me. This tren seems to be working beautifully though. I am nice and lean hovering about 13% bf or less 174lb right now but I think that was only due to life messing up my eating and workout schedule. If I eat less than 3500 calories for a couple days it messes with my bulking.

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I love the results of winny, but the sides make it tough to take. I get an upset stomach from it and lose my appetite.
 
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I love the results of winny, but the sides make it tough to take. I get an upset stomach from it and lose my appetite.
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Maybe that is why it makes it a good cutting steroid...you just don't eat! lol. j/k

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So apparently winstrol just makes me burn up. I tried it on another cycle and I sweat so bad at nights the bed was soaked. This cycle I was using tren so u justvassumed I was gonna be cooking anyway so I added it in ( logic on that one seems funny) Anyway since I cut the winstrol I'm having basically no sides. Just the minor agitation. I guess winstrol just isn't for me I guess I much prefer anavar. Winstrol did make me harder i think but the sides arn't worth it for me. This tren seems to be working beautifully though. I am nice and lean hovering about 13% bf or less 174lb right now but I think that was only due to life messing up my eating and workout schedule. If I eat less than 3500 calories for a couple days it messes with my bulking.

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That's awesome man! Keeping that will be the hard part.

Does anyone know what the average loss is if you don't do anything to prevent bulking loss? And what the average loss is if you do try to prevent bulking loss? (through SARMS, supplements, etc..) Just curious.
 
Everyone is different, so there really isn't an average loss. Depends on you, your diet, dosage, etc.
 
I don't know I lost probably half what I gained at least on my last dbol test cycle not a big fan of wet compound steroids. I like nice lean hard gains my turinabol and anavar cycles I kept it all. Mind you I only gained five pounds but it was solid and it wasn't so much the weight gain as the composition it gives your body that I like. The more ripples the better. This trenbolone isn't making my body water go up so I'm thinking I will keep most of my gains. The biggest thing with keeping gains is proper diet and do your best to train as hard as you did on cycle. Seems yo work for me.

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Okay so as you know I've been itching the past few days dropped the winny thinking it could be liver enzymes. But today I broke out in hives. Now I'm wondering if it is the tren or cardarine, only things new in my diet/routine. Any ideas?

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Have feeling its the cardarine dropping it. The dates correspond with the cardarine more than tren I had balanced tren levels before I started itching. So I don't know what caused it but i'll keep you posted I feel better today already but we'll see.

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Yeah, drop it, wait until it clears and then try again at the lower doses.
That was what I did when I was taking T3. Broke out all over the body, almost like a chicken pox, but wasn't itching. So I stopped it until it cleared out then started again at lower doses and it was good. Didn't take the T3 ever again, it's effect was too strong even at the lower doses.

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Well not itchy at all so it wasn't the tren. Going to try the cardarine tomorrow morning at around 10mg see if I notice anything.

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Got hives a couple hours after I took it again. I dunno if I'm just allergic to it or what. The wife is going to try it out when she gets more shakes to put it in. Can't handle the everclear carrier straight up haha

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Well... shit.
I was gonna order from the same source that you ordered from. Let us know how your wife reacts to it.

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Hard89 said:
Got hives a couple hours after I took it again. I dunno if I'm just allergic to it or what. The wife is going to try it out when she gets more shakes to put it in. Can't handle the everclear carrier straight up haha

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goddamn dude, everclear?! I think a good plain Ciroc Vodka or a Bacardi 151 would do, my god. I did a shot of everclear once by accident. I thought I was going to die....lol
 
Lol ya its gross its 95% alc carrier so pretty much everclear. Even a half ml is strong

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lol, it does taste like shit. I had one SARM that came in a glycol base so that made it kind of sweet, but the body can only take small amounts of glycol or it too becomes toxic.


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Well the tren is definitely making me more defined. I haven't really gained any more but I had some unforseen circumstances put me out of my food money so I can't afford to eat 5000 cal a day. Since I stopped I am eating about 3500 (most I can). Which is leaning me out have stopped bulking, but lbm still going up slowly. I think I am going to cut this cycle short and save it. I will finish with test prop and winstrol while the tren clears. Just goes to show a cycle is pointless without proper food. Don't get me wrong I'm definitely getting cut i'm eating super healthy but those weren't my goals. I wanted size I should have stocked on enough food for my cycle. Never know when your kids gonna break your picture window haha.
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Sounds like you are doing pretty good minus the hives . I enjoyed reading this thread in its entirety. I myself am in the process of stocking up so that I can start my cycle in the next 8 weeks . I won’t start until I have the whole cycle on hand . At any rate ... your pics were awesome ... looks like the tren really got you lean even though you were trying to bulk . Crazy how tren works ... lol
 
Well for me, I have a stupid metabolism makes it really hard to gain weight unless I eat obscene amounts of food. At times in this cycle I was pushing my diet trying to eat more healthy fats and it worked so you can get fat on tren too. It just makes you big. I am on my second injection of test prop at 150mg so my test levels are more equal to tren right now as my last tren injection was three shots ago. And I'm bulking again. Back up to 180. I think next run I am going to run 100 mg eod of tren acetate and test prop for 6 weeks . I think that will be a perfect short cycle bulk. Tren builds fast and I don't want to be huge just big and lean. Funny story about winstrol for me. I was reading in bulk cycles some use it to finish last two weeks at 100mg ed. Now I was sweating at night like a menopausal woman at 25 mg a day taken in the morning lol I couldn't understand it so I said fuck it I have lots. Day after my last tren injection I tried 75mg a day. I slept amazing that night tried 100mg thinking this probably won't end well haha I had so much energy at work that day. But I really had to keep my water intake through the roof because the muscle pumps were intense when you sweat out too much.On my 3rd day at 100mg a day. muscle enduance is through the roof, libido has skyrocketed. Last night was warm but no more than 25mg. Should be an interesting week and a half.

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I also raised my tudca dose to help with the added liver strain so far I just keep feeling better as the tren leaves my body it worked well. But it felt foreign. Like you inject test prop or suspension you feel manly as fuck. Trenbalone felt different like a mutagen or something superhuman lol definitely didn't feel natural not inherently bad haha just weird. I don't know how to explain it. It is a weird compound. Never noticed it with anything else I've tried. Maybe oxandrolone

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Any updated on hives bro? Or you stopped taking Cardarine?
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Hey sorry I missed this post. I stopped taking it and the hives went away. But, I took 10 or so mg today and had no reaction. Will definitely try again tomorrow. It makes a hell of a difference on my tren sides. So much easier to breathe. And I'd like to extend it into my pct if I can.

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So at start of pct I am 182lb 17%Bf 59%Bw Chest 45.5" Waist 34" Arms 15" legs 24"Quite happy with that finish. Gonna take a break and go natty again till winter. Gotta lean out this bulk. Get closer to 12% again then go for another round.
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And honestly probably won't use tren at those doses again lol my heals hurt from how fast I gained weight and the weights I was carrying on my shoulder at work like an idiot because I could. Tren definitely makes you fucking strong and want to use it. But now that its out of my system I am glad its over haha.

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I actually gained 4lbs or so because I used test prop and winny till the test e and tren e cleared. But my bf went up a percent so I believe that was due to my wife making fudge.... And it being gone already haha

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So after my first week of pct I am still maintaining weight. That trenbolone completly changed me. I am currently 185lbs 17" body fat 57% body water. I have never been this heavy. And all the cycles I have pushed to 175 I lose a lot of it fast. I increased my cardarine intake to about 15mg twice a day. Was eating a lot of extra calories have started tapering them a bit. We'll see how this goes. I have never used cardarine in pct before either so that might be helping. Using daa to stimulate fsh and lh too which I could feel working day three. Might not boost healthy men much, but when your t is low the stuff works well.

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Hard89 said:
So after my first week of pct I am still maintaining weight. That trenbolone completly changed me. I am currently 185lbs 17" body fat 57% body water. I have never been this heavy. And all the cycles I have pushed to 175 I lose a lot of it fast. I increased my cardarine intake to about 15mg twice a day. Was eating a lot of extra calories have started tapering them a bit. We'll see how this goes. I have never used cardarine in pct before either so that might be helping. Using daa to stimulate fsh and lh too which I could feel working day three. Might not boost healthy men much, but when your t is low the stuff works well.

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I assume you meant 17% bodyfat. That's HIGH.
 
Hard89 said:
So after my first week of pct I am still maintaining weight. That trenbolone completly changed me. I am currently 185lbs 17" body fat 57% body water. I have never been this heavy. And all the cycles I have pushed to 175 I lose a lot of it fast. I increased my cardarine intake to about 15mg twice a day. Was eating a lot of extra calories have started tapering them a bit. We'll see how this goes. I have never used cardarine in pct before either so that might be helping. Using daa to stimulate fsh and lh too which I could feel working day three. Might not boost healthy men much, but when your t is low the stuff works well.

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What you wrote about DAA is 100% correct.

The literature shows that DAA won't help someone with normal testosterone levels much but it's very effective at helping someone with low testosterone levels get back into the normal range
 
Ya I tried to load up this cycle so my body has fat to eat instead of muscle during pct. I have a crazy high metabolism so far its working. I have dropped to 16% over the last two days. Usually I would have lost more muscle by now as well so its helped so far. I lose 80% of my gains usually so I was trying something new.


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So I am into my third week of pct now everyone has noticed I'm off the tren. Haha guess it brings out my inner asshole I usually keep quiet. So far I am stayinv at 180 haven't lost or gained body fat. Ran out of cardarine so I have tapered my calorie intake to 3500 - 4000. Definitely feeling better. More energetic. (Off topic) tarted taking Mane Brain by Magnum. I think that is adding to the energy just mentally. Definitely helps with focus. Should make my power engineering homework a breeze.

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Planning a test e, tren e and mast cutting cycle for the fall . Was thinking of trying 500 mg test, 300mg tren and 200mg mast for 8 weeks

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Have been intermittent fasting and lots of legs to help raise test. I never have felt so hungry in the morning haha but I'm down a percent body fat maintaining 178lbs, but thats up 9lbs from where I started. So it was a successful cycle.

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