Approved Log My Dbol to testosterone Transformation Cycle Log

[Flyingandrei]

They generally are emailed to you within 24 hours, from my experience. I usually go at 7:30 in the morning and have them back by 2pm.

I did mine yesterday at 11am ish. She took like 3 vials of blood lol.

 

[hypogaeum]

She took like 3 vials of blood lol.

Yeah that's normal.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Yeah that's normal.

Fuck the bloodwork is disgusting

 

[Flyingandrei]

BLOODWORK UPDATE

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I should have went with my instincts. I first noticed headache's around 4months ago when i would train.

I searched up the symptoms and it said i may have diabetes.

I didnt think so but i guess bloodwork says otherwise.

Had to repost cause some of my details were in original screen shots.

 

[hypogaeum]

Remind me, are you planning to do TRT for the rest of your life, or do a PCT and come off everything? This will change the advice.

 

[hypogaeum]

Looping in @AE1079

 

[Flyingandrei]

Remind me, are you planning to do TRT for the rest of your life, or do a PCT and come off everything? This will change the advice.

Going straight on to testosterone. Ive got 2 kids both teens so I'm not worried if it affects my fertility and have to go on trt or blast.

@LevButlerov has advised 300mg 2x 150 shots a week then taper off to a trt dose

 

[Flyingandrei]

Remind me, are you planning to do TRT for the rest of your life, or do a PCT and come off everything? This will change the advice.

I always get brain fog, frustrated, libido in the gutter.

I can still function and lift but yeah i think testosterone enanthate is the key here over dbol only.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Looping in @AE1079

@AE1079 any advice, fire away my guy! Im always open minded to learning.

 

[hypogaeum]

The coach i had collaborates with vigerous Steve and on their youtube videos they share that orals arent as toxic as we think and you can run for months with no issues

What's done is done, and I don't want to rub your face in it, but there is so little material that supports oral only cycles (at least for extended periods of time) and while there will always be cases that are exceptions to the rule, most users will not benefit long term from oral only because the hepatotoxicity generally outweighs any benefits.

 

[AE1079]

There’s a lot to unpack here..

 

[hypogaeum]

There’s a lot to unpack here..

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Flyingandrei]

What's done is done, and I don't want to rub your face in it, but there is so little material that supports oral only cycles (at least for extended periods of time) and while there will always be cases that are exceptions to the rule, most users will not benefit long term from oral only because the hepatotoxicity generally outweighs any benefits

Na no rub in. Its completely fine to throw it all out there. So I'll throw this out there too im a pretty honest person.

My old coach was Taeian Clark. He has a reputation for Decca Dbol cycles. The reason i went for this cycle was the gyno and hair loss prevention

I had planned to start test! Which is why i had it ready to begin and even arimidex but I chose what i chose.

 

[hypogaeum]

My recommendation is to stop the dbol immediately. Your liver needs to recover, and your cardiovascular health needs to be improved. Drop the orals, introduce TUDCA, NAC, omega-3s, do cardio exercise, eat a clean diet, have soluble fibre, no alcohol, etc. You need to get your body into a better space before transitioning to even doing TRT.

 

[AE1079]

You need a plan to get health markers back to base line, otherwise your going to continue to have high BP, headaches from the blood volume due to cholesterol which correlates to C - reactive protiens, there’s a fit bit of inflammation going on which is also correlated to your LFTs which will cause ROS in cells - which will cause gut disruption in the microbiome where you feel bloating and inflammation, which is connected to the vagus nerve which is connected to your brain and connected to your brain fog.

Low libido that’s an obvious one here.

But there’s way more to unpack

You won’t die, but you need to come off.

 

[AE1079]

You need a plan bro.. don’t go into this blindly.

 

[Flyingandrei]

My recommendation is to stop the dbol immediately. Your liver needs to recover, and your cardiovascular health needs to be improved. Drop the orals, introduce TUDCA, NAC, omega-3s, do cardio exercise, eat a clean diet, have soluble fibre, no alcohol, etc. You need to get your body into a better space before transitioning to even doing TRT.

Easy and done IMMEDIATELY ive tipped the shit down the drain.

Also i need to add this, and its going to come as a fucken shocker! Even i was like WTF when ℹ questioned it.

So the decca. I was taught to brew it, BA, BB, MCT OIL santise process everything the whole formulas. Had zero isuues! Pinning

THE DBOL BREW!!!! IMPORTANT READ

So i got taught to mix the raw powder with the highest % amount of alcohol available!!! Even i said this cant be right but was told otherwise!

2000 grams of dbol raw powder (Legit tested from janoshik) divide by 50ml of 60% ABSINTH = 40mg per dosage

This has probably fucked up all my numbers i should have come here sooner

 

[Flyingandrei]

You need a plan to get health markers back to base line, otherwise your going to continue to have high BP, headaches from the blood volume due to cholesterol which correlates to C - reactive protiens, there’s a fit bit of inflammation going on which is also correlated to your LFTs which will cause ROS in cells - which will cause gut disruption in the microbiome where you feel bloating and inflammation, which is connected to the vagus nerve which is connected to your brain and connected to your brain fog.

Low libido that’s an obvious one here.

But there’s way more to unpack

You won’t die, but you need to come off.

Thank you brother. I will listen and not be a know it all with an ego. I tipped it down the drain its done

You won't see stupid posts of "oh i relapsed i took dbol again"

I take things serious.

 

[hypogaeum]

Main things that jump out at me/ key concerns:

Liver Enzymes Elevated
- ALT (63 U/L) and AST (55 U/L) are both high, which shows the liver is under stress. LDH (303 U/L) is also up, which suggests some kind of tissue damage (likely liver related).
- Dbol is super hard on the liver, and these elevated enzymes are a classic sign of that. The liver is working overtime trying to process it.

Stop the Dbol immediately. You’ll need to keep an eye on liver health and supplement with that in mind. Taking supplements like TUDCA or NAC can help support the liver and bring those numbers down.

Cholesterol and Lipids Being Off
- Total Cholesterol (5.6 mmol/L) is a bit high, which isn’t great for heart health. HDL (0.79 mmol/L) is low (that’s your good cholesterol), and LDL (4.45 mmol/L) is high (that’s the bad cholesterol).
- Dbol really messes with cholesterol levels, lowering HDL and raising LDL, which can increase the risk of heart issues down the line.

Try adding omega-3 fatty acids (like fish oil), soluble fiber, etc to your diet, and maybe even consider a more heart-healthy lifestyle overall. Exercise, cutting back on bad fats, no alcohol, etc.

Low Testosterone
- Total Testosterone (1.8 nmol/L) and Free Testosterone (58 pmol/L) are both way too low. Basically, your natural test production is shut down because of the Dbol.
- SHBG (6 nmol/L) is low, which might be the body’s way of trying to keep some test in circulation, but it’s just not enough.

After stopping the Dbol, you’ll need PCT to kickstart your natural test production again. It’ll help restore your test levels and balance out your hormones.

 

[LevButlerov]

Going straight on to testosterone. Ive got 2 kids both teens so I'm not worried if it affects my fertility and have to go on trt or blast.

@LevButlerov has advised 300mg 2x 150 shots a week then taper off to a trt dose

You can do sports TRT+ thats 300mgs/week. 2-3 shots per week, if you can handle 3 do 3 shots per week to spread the peak in self-TRT.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Main things that jump out at me/ key concerns:

Liver Enzymes Elevated
- ALT (63 U/L) and AST (55 U/L) are both high, which shows the liver is under stress. LDH (303 U/L) is also up, which suggests some kind of tissue damage (likely liver related).
- Dbol is super hard on the liver, and these elevated enzymes are a classic sign of that. The liver is working overtime trying to process it.

Stop the Dbol immediately. You’ll need to keep an eye on liver health and supplement with that in mind. Taking supplements like TUDCA or NAC can help support the liver and bring those numbers down.

Cholesterol and Lipids Being Off
- Total Cholesterol (5.6 mmol/L) is a bit high, which isn’t great for heart health. HDL (0.79 mmol/L) is low (that’s your good cholesterol), and LDL (4.45 mmol/L) is high (that’s the bad cholesterol).
- Dbol really messes with cholesterol levels, lowering HDL and raising LDL, which can increase the risk of heart issues down the line.

Try adding omega-3 fatty acids (like fish oil), soluble fiber, etc to your diet, and maybe even consider a more heart-healthy lifestyle overall. Exercise, cutting back on bad fats, no alcohol, etc.

Low Testosterone
- Total Testosterone (1.8 nmol/L) and Free Testosterone (58 pmol/L) are both way too low. Basically, your natural test production is shut down because of the Dbol.
- SHBG (6 nmol/L) is low, which might be the body’s way of trying to keep some test in circulation, but it’s just not enough.

After stopping the Dbol, you’ll need PCT to kickstart your natural test production again. It’ll help restore your test levels and balance out your hormones.

Thank you! Thank you for the push also to make sure bloods got done. Honestly i said to the guy should i test bloods after my last test to see if decca was fake he said why? What for? Your not on test so dont need to see. At minimum test for lcm test and E2.

I will admit i dropped his diet when i started cutting and went to my own calculated cals macro diet (As 8 studied as a sports nutritionist and physique coach)

 

[hypogaeum]

2000 grams of dbol raw powder (Legit tested from janoshik) divide by 50ml of 60% ABSINTH = 40mg per dosage

I don't brew, but I can do math and your numbers are correct, but this does assume that the dbol is fully dissolved and bioavailable, which isn't guaranteed with alcohol.

Alcohol can alter the solubility and stability of certain compounds, which could lead to inconsistent dosages, and even if it dissolved, it may not be as effective when consumed this way because alcohol isn’t typically used to make steroids bioavailable.

 

[hypogaeum]

You can do sports TRT+ thats 300mgs/week. 2-3 shots per week, if you can handle 3 do 3 shots per week to spread the peak in self-TRT.

I'd rather see this at 150-200mg/week to start with.

 

[Flyingandrei]

You can do sports TRT+ thats 300mgs/week. 2-3 shots per week, if you can handle 3 do 3 shots per week to spread the peak in self-TRT.

What about my health markers? Im not scared to jump straight into testosterone.

I'd rather see this at 150-200mg/week to start with.

I did say 200 at the start start low titrate up.

Hypo what do you think if i start the test without doing the grueling pct and do the nac, tudca, fish oil etc

I think the dbol brew with alcohol was a major factor to some shit bloodwork!!!

I can clean the diet up immediately thats no issue. My main issue is the depression that may come with the pct and its almost xmas.

 

[hypogaeum]

I did say 200 at the start start low titrate up.

Hypo what do you think if i start the test without doing the grueling pct and do the nac, tudca, fish oil etc

If you have the test available, you should be fine. 100mg twice a week and once the bloods are in the right space, then you can consider increasing this/ doing a "blast".

I'd get an AI and keep that on hand, just in case of any E2 issues.

Introduce the supplements ASAP, make sure the diet is as clean as possible, start doing cardio if you're not already, and get bloods checked again in 4-6 weeks.

Bottom line is that you’ve got some things to address, but with the right actions you’ll be able to recover your health. Just make sure to keep tabs on your blood work and give your body time to bounce back!

 

[Flyingandrei]

NEW PLAN TO RECOVER SUB PAR BLOODWORK.

IMMEDIATELY AS OF TODAY

DBOL ALCOHOL BREW FULLY ELIMINATED

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WORKOUT SPLIT STAYS THE SAME
4 DAYS
CHEST
ARMS
LEGS
BACK

ABS POST WORKOUT / 2 A WEEK

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CARDIO
DAILY 10K STEPS
WORKOUT DAYS - ADDITIONAL LIGHT JOGS.

Open to cardio reccomendations if anyone has a better idea.

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NUTRITION
2800 CALORIES
200 PROTEIN/ 305 CARBS / 73 FAT
HEALTHIER MACROS + MICROS

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CYCLE UPDATE

200mg Test enanthate
2 x 100mg shot a weeks

Reason?
due to higher bodyfat!

(May titrate up in future logs) but for now this makes sense to me to not push the body to hard as it needs to recover as it is.

Alongside this I will clean the diet up futher with more cleaner macros/micros and all on cycle support

Nac,Tudca, multivitamin, physllium husk, magnesium, fish oil, curcumin + a few others i want to get.

Thank you to all for recommendations. I will kick this Cycle off Tomorrow night.

 

[hypogaeum]

What’s your blood pressure and resting heart rate, @Flyingandrei?

 

[Flyingandrei]

What’s your blood pressure and resting heart rate, @Flyingandrei?

Took just now

 

[LevButlerov]

I always get brain fog, frustrated, libido in the gutter.

I can still function and lift but yeah i think testosterone enanthate is the key here over dbol only.

Can you clarify a few things, before you did the blood work , were you on testosterone therapy? and what kind of diet were you keeping?

 

[Flyingandrei]

Can you clarify a few things, before you did the blood work , were you on testosterone therapy? and what kind of diet were you keeping?

lol obviously not on trt whilst my levels are in the gutter.

40mg dbol only since April
400mg decca/ 40mg dbol before that since January this year

No othet drugs.

About to pin 100 test now anyway

 

[LevButlerov]

lol obviously not on trt whilst my levels are in the gutter.

40mg dbol only since April
400mg decca/ 40mg dbol before that since January this year

No othet drugs.

About to pin 100 test now anyway

Actually not so obvious because there is plenty of fake gear out there so I also though it's possible you were injecting and not getting any testosterone boosting from it because it was "fake".

You are on 400mgs deca durabolin and 40mgs dbol since January?
How long have you been on 400mgs of deca?

 

[hypogaeum]

40mg dbol only since April
400mg decca/ 40mg dbol before that since January this year

@LevButlerov I think it's 400mg/ week of deca and 40mg/ day of dbol from January to April, and then 40mg/day of dbol from April until yesterday.

 

[Flyingandrei]

@LevButlerov I think it's 400mg/ week of deca and 40mg/ day of dbol from January to April, and then 40mg/day of dbol from April until yesterday.

Yes correct

 

[Flyingandrei]

Actually not so obvious because there is plenty of fake gear out there so I also though it's possible you were injecting and not getting any testosterone boosting from it because it was "fake".

You are on 400mgs deca durabolin and 40mgs dbol since January?
How long have you been on 400mgs of deca?

Didnt mean for that to come off rude @LevButlerov as hypo said above corrected

400mg/ week of deca and 40mg/ day of dbol from January to April, and then 40mg/day of dbol from April until yesterday

 

[stevesmi]

Where are you getting the idea that you have diabetes? Your glucose is fine.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Where are you getting the idea that you have diabetes? Your glucose is fine.

My mistake that was a quick skim over the results lol .

 

[Flyingandrei]

Pinned 100mg test e today (Friday) another 100mg pin in 4 days time (Tuesday)

Total 200mg

Will get blood work again in 6 weeks time

 

[LevButlerov]

My mistake that was a quick skim over the results lol .

I didnt see diabetes either but I did see low testosterone.

 

[LevButlerov]

Where are you getting the idea that you have diabetes? Your glucose is fine.

Yup my thoughts too

 

[LevButlerov]

Pinned 100mg test e today (Friday) another 100mg pin in 4 days time (Tuesday)

Total 200mg

Will get blood work again in 6 weeks time

You testosterone levels are strange for 400mgs deca durabolin imo
@AE1079 what do you think?

 

[hypogaeum]

You testosterone levels are strange for 400mgs deca durabolin imo
@AE1079 what do you think?

@LevButlerov the deca isn't current, only dbol was being run. So the bloods are showing what's going on from the dbol only cycle.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes correct

Now I get it, I though you had 400mgs of deca almost the whole year and you had low test.

@LevButlerov I think it's 400mg/ week of deca and 40mg/ day of dbol from January to April, and then 40mg/day of dbol from April until yesterday.

 

[AE1079]

this thread is very confusing haha

 

[Flyingandrei]

Now I get it, I though you had 400mgs of deca almost the whole year and you had low test.

No brother. Its all good im on the road to better bloodwork levels with test. Thanks to the evo fam .

 

[Flyingandrei]

this thread is very confusing haha

It wont be soon. I can bet on it.

 

[Flyingandrei]

this thread is very confusing haha

Ae1079 your right and ill show you why. since you know your stuff i think this may be of your expertise.

Taiean Clark was my each coach. Here he is with vigorous steve.

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[AE1079]

I don’t know why coaches try and re invent the wheel when it comes to HRT ect

 

[Flyingandrei]

this thread is very confusing haha

Ae1079 your right and ill show you why. since you know your stuff i think this may be of your expertise.

Taiean Clark was my each coach. Here he is with vigorous steve.

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I don’t know why coaches try and re invent the wheel when it comes to HRT ect

I know why now and i didn't like it

 

[Mobster]

What's done is done, and I don't want to rub your face in it, but there is so little material that supports oral only cycles (at least for extended periods of time) and while there will always be cases that are exceptions to the rule, most users will not benefit long term from oral only because the hepatotoxicity generally outweighs any benefits.

Yep. At best we argue the merits of 4 vs 8 weeks on orals.

 

[Mobster]

I don’t know why coaches try and re invent the wheel when it comes to HRT ect

This. Plus, referencing a post of yours the other day I think we UNDERSTAND the why etc of what works vs still needing to change and 'update'; as such.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Yep. At best we argue the merits of 4 vs 8 weeks on orals.

Well thank fuck I'm off that lol. I have a very low tolerance to things. I can literally have 1 beer and be tipsy.

I feel way better today after injecting test
This morning. Better energy, better focus and I don't sugar coat.

Looking foward to recovering and seeing bloodwork 6 weeks time.

Thanks evo fams

 

[ceo]

bros AE they try to reinvent the wheel cause they want to pretend their info modern and superior to everything else.
same thing with everything else.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Simplify this log going forward.
Ask questions. That's what we're here for. Let's help you get in the right track.

 

[chesty]

If you have low tolerance to things, that's not a bad thing.
This means use your steroids at lower dose and don't overdo it on things like supplements.

 

[Ulter]

No, need to thank us. We're going to help you get everything on point.
I wouldn't really worry too much about the blood work and that sort of thing. I would worry more about your organs

 

[e2]

It's normal for your testosterone levels to get shut down. On steroids That's what happens. So this shouldn't be any type of surprise.

 

[2Thick]

let's say you take dbol, yes your test levels will be low. But you are also getting the androgens from the steroid itself to make up for that. Even if it doesn't show up in the blood work,

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

In a lot of blood Works Deca will show up as testosterone, just keep that in mind.
Any Doctor Who has any clue about hormones, will be able to tell you're on steroids.

 

[Wootoom]

Make sure you keep us updated on your training and make sure you update us on your diet.
No reason to get this log off track. We need to see that day by day. You're doing what you need to do.

 

[Flyingandrei]

bros AE they try to reinvent the wheel cause they want to pretend their info modern and superior to everything else.
same thing with everything else.

I agree bro. Thats his natural attitude too.

 

[Flyingandrei]

6/12/24
PINNED 100MG TEST E - A:M

TRAINED LOWER BODY - (PINNED LEFT SHOULDER)

LEGS

Lunges warmup
Dumbbells
2 sets
12 x 12kg (26.4lbs)
12 x 14kg (30.8lbs) weight from last week

Leg press
push plate weight not accounted for
2 sets
15 x 170kg (374.79lbs) in weight
10 x 210kg (462.97lbs) in reps

Feet together leg press
push plate weight not accounted for
2 sets
250 kg x 8 (551.16lbs) in weight
250kg x 8 (551.16lbs) in reps


Stiff leg dumbbell
2 sets
12 x 27kg (59.52lbs) in reps
11 x 30kg (66.14lbs) in reps

Leg curl lying alternate leg days with lying or seated
(Seated)
2 sets
12 x 40kg (99.21lbs
8 x 45kg (99.21lbs

Single dumbbell calf raises (holding 2 dumbbells, one leg raises up)
2 sets
10kg (22.05lbs
14kg kg 30.8lbs) weight from last week

 

[LevButlerov]

6/12/24
PINNED 100MG TEST E - A:M

TRAINED LOWER BODY - (PINNED LEFT SHOULDER)

LEGS

Lunges warmup
Dumbbells
2 sets
12 x 12kg (26.4lbs)
12 x 14kg (30.8lbs) weight from last week

Leg press
push plate weight not accounted for
2 sets
15 x 170kg (374.79lbs) in weight
10 x 210kg (462.97lbs) in reps

Feet together leg press
push plate weight not accounted for
2 sets
250 kg x 8 (551.16lbs) in weight
250kg x 8 (551.16lbs) in reps


Stiff leg dumbbell
2 sets
12 x 27kg (59.52lbs) in reps
11 x 30kg (66.14lbs) in reps

Leg curl lying alternate leg days with lying or seated
(Seated)
2 sets
12 x 40kg (99.21lbs
8 x 45kg (99.21lbs

Single dumbbell calf raises (holding 2 dumbbells, one leg raises up)
2 sets
10kg (22.05lbs
14kg kg 30.8lbs) weight from last week

left shoulder pin is perfect I stick to delts for most of my clients as well

Leg press very strong 210kgs try to add another one next time 100kg for 25+

 

[Flyingandrei]

left shoulder pin is perfect I stick to delts for most of my clients as well

Leg press very strong 210kgs try to add another one next time 100kg for 25+

What about when they get lean like sub 10% bodyfat?

I got told its ugly and you can see the pin scarring and better to rotate sites?

Left delt right delt
Right upper glute
Left upper glute

?

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

The important thing is that you got the blood work done and are now on a path to fix what needs to be fixed. Great job man. So many people don't even bother getting bloods and just bury their heads in the sand.

 

[LevButlerov]

What about when they get lean like sub 10% bodyfat?

I got told its ugly and you can see the pin scarring and better to rotate sites?

Left delt right delt
Right upper glute
Left upper glute

?

left delt right delt
right bi left bi
left lat right lat
left glute right glute
many sites before you need to pin quads
and you wont have an issue with pin marks if you rotate like this

 

[Flyingandrei]

left delt right delt
right bi left bi
left lat right lat
left glute right glute
many sites before you need to pin quads
and you wont have an issue with pin marks if you rotate like this

Always was interested to do
Lats. I did ventro glute once. Never again. Couldnt walk 5 days

 

[Flyingandrei]

The important thing is that you got the blood work done and are now on a path to fix what needs to be fixed. Great job man. So many people don't even bother getting bloods and just bury their heads in the sand.

Thanks. I'm actually glad this happened because its going to make me better educated and aware.

 

[hypogaeum]

right bi left bi

I’d do quads over bi’s for sure

 

[LevButlerov]

Always was interested to do
Lats. I did ventro glute once. Never again. Couldnt walk 5 days

what kind of gear did you pin? usually normal low BA gear pins fine.

 

[Flyingandrei]

what kind of gear did you pin? usually normal low BA gear pins fine.

That was when i pinning deca lol. My post is probably still on the forrums from earlier in the year

Never had issue with shoulder pins. Going to try upper glutes on my 2 week off xmas holidays lol

 

[ballin2504]

Love seeing the update

 

[Flyingandrei]

Love seeing the update

about to have preworkput meal and go train chest/post cardio. Its almost 3:30am here.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just a few sups i got yesterday and some recommendations for the evo fams memebers. Still waiting on berberine,nac and my other order i posted.

For now:

Morning Electrolytes (5cals per serve)
Fish oil
Mens multi
Tudca
Citrus bergamot
Ubiquinol
Curcumin
L carnitine Tartare
Taurine
I also took some from this video i found helpful

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[Flyingandrei]

Quick and eazy meal

3 eggs
200 grams potatoes
16 gram protein yogurt

Macros/ cals attached my fitness pal

Was meant to do intra carbs but too busy training.

Workout all in kg

Chest Sunday 8th Dec 2024

Db fly
15 x 25 kg
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 10 / 9x 10


Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20


Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg

front raise db
DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg

Post cardio
Steps
5mins jog

 

[LevButlerov]

That was when i pinning deca lol. My post is probably still on the forrums from earlier in the year

Never had issue with shoulder pins. Going to try upper glutes on my 2 week off xmas holidays lol

You should post a pic of the deca with high PIP interesting to see.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Bro @LevButlerov explain this fasting to me... in fit college and sports nutritional certification we were taught all it is good for is a calorie deficit, and eating more meals in a smaller timer frame.

However,

You mentioned it's different for anabolics. Can you post me the link to the study so i can read it too.

 

[stevesmi]

Bro @LevButlerov explain this fasting to me... in fit college and sports nutritional certification we were taught all it is good for is a calorie deficit, and eating more meals in a smaller timer frame.

However,

You mentioned it's different for anabolics. Can you post me the link to the study so i can read it too.

check out my fasting log. quick link in my signature. lots of studies in that log you will enjoy it

 

[LevButlerov]

Bro @LevButlerov explain this fasting to me... in fit college and sports nutritional certification we were taught all it is good for is a calorie deficit, and eating more meals in a smaller timer frame.

However,

You mentioned it's different for anabolics. Can you post me the link to the study so i can read it too.

@Flyingandrei shared this via Dm and I'm happy he's sharing it in the open for EVO family to see.

Fasting is great for bulking or cutting, and you can utilize is any way you want, depends on your goals. Generally autophagy is what you're looking for in fasting.
For anabolic, fasting would be easier to do since way less potential muscle loss.
Not sure which studies you mean, there are no studies with steroid users and fasting, but we have anecdotal evidence, for example our logs and actual feedback from users and our clients, reading material:

19 day water fast story
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/

10 day water fast
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

fasting log by @stevesmi
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/

 

[LevButlerov]

check out my fasting log. quick link in my signature. lots of studies in that log you will enjoy it

Just linked to it above
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1654063

 

[Flyingandrei]

check out my fasting log. quick link in my signature. lots of studies in that log you will enjoy it

Thanks Steve. Will check it out. Im keen to give it a go so long as I don't lose muscle lol

I don't want that stringy look with anabolics now, shouldn't be a worry right

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei shared this via Dm and I'm happy he's sharing it in the open for EVO family to see.

Fasting is great for bulking or cutting, and you can utilize is any way you want, depends on your goals. Generally autophagy is what you're looking for in fasting.
For anabolic, fasting would be easier to do since way less potential muscle loss.
Not sure which studies you mean, there are no studies with steroid users and fasting, but we have anecdotal evidence, for example our logs and actual feedback from users and our clients, reading material:

19 day water fast story
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/

10 day water fast
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

fasting log by @stevesmi
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/

Thanks my guy much appreciated.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just linked to it above
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1654063

Whats your thoughts on this @LevButlerov

Fastiing results (my own opinion)...

1. no carbs in the system obviously is going to give a more leaner but flatter appearance. (Less glycogen) in the muscles. Greater scale weight drop will be because of this factor also.

2. It's basically an agressive calorie deficit. Especially if you work out the 24 hour fast. Imagine your in a -500 caloric deficit and on 3000 cals a day cutting.
(3500 is maintenance).

Thats an extra 6 days deficit all in a matter of 24 hour fast. 6 x 500 = 3000 calories and add the additional 500 deficit being set for a cut already so 3500 totals deficit for 24hours.

 

[Flyingandrei]

SHBG TROUBLESHOOTING:

I've been doing research on this the whole week reason being if your shbg is too low or too high (for me low due to shut down) it can be no good and lead to libido issues etc.

Even further you can waste your gear if shbg is not binding

Mine is in the gutter at the moment since im shut down

As a natural i was 15 nmol/L.

Currently 6 nmol/L. Obviously this will increase slightly now im doing 200mg test a week and we will see bloodwork in 5 weeks time again.

I've been watching vigerous steve and a few others videos and so far to increase it there is mention of the following:

Full fasting
Hcg 1000iu weekly subq 3x week
maintenance hcg 250iu to 500iu subq 3x week.

More info in the screenshot attached.

So great, i have the educational evidence there however,

I am wondering what method did other evo fams use? Is there any better proven method not mentioned here?

 

[LevButlerov]

Whats your thoughts on this @LevButlerov

Fastiing results (my own opinion)...

1. no carbs in the system obviously is going to give a more leaner but flatter appearance. (Less glycogen) in the muscles. Greater scale weight drop will be because of this factor also.

2. It's basically an agressive calorie deficit. Especially if you work out the 24 hour fast. Imagine your in a -500 caloric deficit and on 3000 cals a day cutting.
(3500 is maintenance).

Thats an extra 6 days deficit all in a matter of 24 hour fast. 6 x 500 = 3000 calories and add the additional 500 deficit being set for a cut already so 3500 totals deficit for 24hours.

@Flyingandrei

You can say its a deficit thats very fair, I think fasting is more of a health and body transformation thing.
You're looking to transform your body and actually clean up digestion. As many issues are digestive in the end

 

[LevButlerov]

SHBG TROUBLESHOOTING:

I've been doing research on this the whole week reason being if your shbg is too low or too high (for me low due to shut down) it can be no good and lead to libido issues etc.

Even further you can waste your gear if shbg is not binding

Mine is in the gutter at the moment since im shut down

As a natural i was 15 nmol/L.

Currently 6 nmol/L. Obviously this will increase slightly now im doing 200mg test a week and we will see bloodwork in 5 weeks time again.

I've been watching vigerous steve and a few others videos and so far to increase it there is mention of the following:

Full fasting
Hcg 1000iu weekly subq 3x week
maintenance hcg 250iu to 500iu subq 3x week.

More info in the screenshot attached.

So great, i have the educational evidence there however,

I am wondering what method did other evo fams use? Is there any better proven method not mentioned here?

TBH I dont know why you want to boost shbg this way, I think staying on testosterone and adding proviron would manage this for you.

@AE1079 have you seen his hcg use?

 

[Flyingandrei]

TBH I dont know why you want to boost shbg this way, I think staying on testosterone and adding proviron would manage this for you.

@AE1079 have you seen his hcg use?

Yeah Lev I haven't tried to boost nothing yet. I wana let the test do its job and see bloodwork in 5 weeks before making any adjustment decisions.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah Lev I haven't tried to boost nothing yet. I wana let the test do its job and see bloodwork in 5 weeks before making any adjustment decisions.

Sure and please start updating some training for us too.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Sure and please start updating some training for us too.

I like this youtuber Dr James explained videos too. Makes much more sense then trying to make himself sound like a scientific knowledge god.

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[Flyingandrei]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei

You can say its a deficit thats very fair, I think fasting is more of a health and body transformation thing.
You're looking to transform your body and actually clean up digestion. As many issues are digestive in the end

I think i would only use it if i was more sub 12 - 10% bodyfat and wanted to look really diced for a photoshoot/summer cut

 

[Likwid]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

Just curious, what RPE are you generally working to?

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just curious, what RPE are you generally working to?

1 rir (reps in reserve) so rpe 9 and i dont bullshit with my training. Ive done rpe/rir for a long time.

Some sessions ill test and do till failure.

I dont count half assed crappy form reps either.

 

[hypogaeum]

Just my 2 cents worth, I'd like to see a bit more volume for the shoulders and put a priority on the compound movements (save the isolation sets for later in the workout). It might be more efficient (if you're struggling for time and can't add in more for shoulders) to do 4 sets on each exercise (rather than two) and drop a couple of exercises from the workout.

Dumbbell bench press. 4 sets, 12, 10, 10, 8
Dumbbell fly and dumbbell incline bench press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Cable fly and decline dumbbell press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Seated barbell overhead press. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10
Dumbbell lateral raises and dumbbell front raises superset. 4 sets each, 15, 12, 12, 10
Cable rope face pulls. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10

 

[Flyingandrei]

Just my 2 cents worth, I'd like to see a bit more volume for the shoulders and put a priority on the compound movements (save the isolation sets for later in the workout). It might be more efficient (if you're struggling for time and can't add in more for shoulders) to do 4 sets on each exercise (rather than two) and drop a couple of exercises from the workout.

Dumbbell bench press. 4 sets, 12, 10, 10, 8
Dumbbell fly and dumbbell incline bench press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Cable fly and decline dumbbell press superset. 4 sets each, 12, 10, 10, 8
Seated barbell overhead press. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10
Dumbbell lateral raises and dumbbell front raises superset. 4 sets each, 15, 12, 12, 10
Cable rope face pulls. 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 10

Yep makes sense. Early posts I did mention when i was natural I used to do high volume workouts galore.

Enhanced though i respond better to low volume workouts. I also dont deadlift anymore because its too high fatigue ratio.

 

[hypogaeum]

Yep makes sense. Early posts I did mention when i was natural I used to do high volume workouts galore.

Enhanced though i respond better to low volume workouts. I also dont deadlift anymore because its too high fatigue ratio.

From what I can tell, the higher volume works well for building size, whereas the lower volume builds strength and density. Each to their own, and it's good to have a mix of both, but I've always liked a bit more volume particularly when cutting.

 

[Flyingandrei]

From what I can tell, the higher volume works well for building size, whereas the lower volume builds strength and density. Each to their own, and it's good to have a mix of both, but I've always liked a bit more volume particularly when cutting.

Yeah I agree to both methods and @hypogaeum you always have great advice! %

 

[RoySimpson]

BLOODWORK UPDATE

---

I should have went with my instincts. I first noticed headache's around 4months ago when i would train.

I searched up the symptoms and it said i may have diabetes.

I didnt think so but i guess bloodwork says otherwise.

Had to repost cause some of my details were in original screen shots.

@Flyingandrei awesome work right here!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

TRAINING UPDATE 9/12/24

CHEST + SHOULDERS

Db fly
15 x 25 kg in reps
8 x 32.5 kg

Db bench
9 x 35kg in reps
7 x 37.5 kg

Cable fly superset decline
9 x 15 / 9x 15
9x 15 / 9x 15 in reps

Db incline fly / db incline bench
8 x 17.5 / 8x 17.5
7x 20/ 7 x 20 up in reps

Barbell Overhead press seated
9 x 50kg
4 x 72.5 drop set 4 x 50kg in reps

Db side raises
15 x 12.5kg
9 x 15kg in reps

front raise db

DB
15 x 12.5kg
8 x 15kg in weight and reps

Good training day for sure, the super set decline is what I like to see 15 reps

 

[Flyingandrei]

Good training day for sure, the super set decline is what I like to see 15 reps

Bro my chest sore 2 days later. cant lift arms above head . Even though soreness isnt a direct sign if muscle growth lol

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Bro my chest sore 2 days later. cant lift arms above head . Even though soreness isnt a direct sign if muscle growth lol

you're beast mode if you cant lift arms