Approved Log My Test, Primo, Tren, Anavar, and GH Recomp Log

[hypogaeum]

G'Day All,

This is my 1st log but have followed plenty in the past and hope to do the Aussie team proud! I’m throwing this up now, but with Christmas (and a three week trip away) I don’t plan to start logging workouts, nutrition, etc until the new year.

Current Stats:
Age: 29
Height: 187cm
Weight: 113kg
Body Fat % (estimated): 18-20% (would be glad of a second opinion here, not sure of I’m underestimating it, so will throw up some photos)
Training Experience (in years): ~10

Training:
Currently training 5 days a week, and then try ensuring active rest on the weekend (walks/ bike rides, park, etc with the kids). Not long changed to a split of back, shoulders and calves, chest, legs, arms.. I am doing 15-45 minutes of cardio 4-5 times a week, at the end of my weight sessions. Generally train in the afternoon, immediately after work.

Diet:
Daily caloric intake currently 2700/ day. Started tracking again, more from a total calories side of things, rather than the macros, but trying to keep the choices sensible and the amounts reasonable for a 40/40/20 split.

Typical Daily Eating:

Breakfast

• Six egg whites, two whole eggs on a slice of wholegrain toast, or
• 200g of Greek yogurt, 30g of oats and a tsp of peanut butter, or
• Protein smoothie with a scoop of protein powder, 200ml of almond milk, one banana and a tbsp of flaxseeds

Lunch

• Lemon herb chicken with roasted potatoes and steamed carrot, or
• Grilled chicken with brown rice and roasted capsicum, with a low-calorie sauce, or
• Grilled chicken in a Thai style satay sauce, with coriander rice and parsley, or
• BBQ chicken with corn and sweet potato, brown rice and a low-calorie sauce

Pre-Workout Snack

• Scoop of protein and a rice cake with honey or jam

Post-Workout Snack

• Protein shake

Dinner (usually my biggest meal of the day as it's after my workout)

• Grilled chicken with roasted or steamed vegetables and sweet potato mash, or
• Stir-fry with lean beef or chicken and plenty of veggies, with noodles, or
• Steak, mashed potato and steamed greens

Supplements:
CoQ10 (300mg/ day)
Omega-3 Fish Oil (3g/ day)
Telmisartan (40mg/ day)
NAC (2g/ day)
L-Carnitine (1g/ day)
MagTaur Xcell (magnesium and taurine blend)
TUDCA (500mg/ day)
Detox Pro (liver and body detoxifier)
Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Recent Blood Work (while on 250mg/week of Test E):
Total Testosterone: 44.3 nmol/L (reference range: 8.3–29 nmol/L)
Free Testosterone: 1145.1 pmol/L (reference range: 255.0–725.0 pmol/L)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (reference range: 11–71 nmol/L)
AST: 32 U/L (reference range: <35 U/L)
ALT: 34 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
GGT: 31 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
E2 (Estradiol): 128 pmol/L (reference range for males <150 pmol/L) (added in Arimidex to bring this down. Target of 40-60 pmol/L)
Hemoglobin: 169 g/L (reference range: 130–180 g/L)
Hematocrit: 0.51 (reference range: 0.40–0.54)
WBC: 5.9 x10^9/L (reference range: 4.0–11.0 x10^9/L)
Platelets: 310 x10^9/L (reference range: 150–400 x10^9/L)
Creatinine: 95 umol/L (reference range: 60–110 umol/L)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (normal kidney function)
Sodium: 139 mmol/L (reference range: 135–145 mmol/L)
Potassium: 5.2 mmol/L (reference range: 3.6–5.4 mmol/L)
Fasting Glucose: 4.7 mmol/L (reference range: 3.4–5.4 mmol/L)

Cycle Plan:
Cycle Goals: Recomp (lean muscle gain while dropping body fat)

Compounds Planned for Use:
Test E (Bayer): 300mg/ week
Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week
Tren A (Beligas, sponsored by @RhinoUGL): 150mg/ week
Anavar (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 12.5mg pre-workout
Growth Hormone (purchased from @Livewell2024): 3IU/ day
Injection Frequency: Equal amounts, three times a week

Cycle Length: 10 weeks (maybe drop to 8 or extend to 12, depending on bloods), then back to TRT

A couple of points on where my head is at, as far as the cycle and the dosages:

• Will consider increasing Test from week six after I get mid-cycle bloods done.
• I've used Tren several times in the past and absolutely love it, with weekly dosages ranging from 100mg up to 600mg, so understand the sides and what it can/ will do to my bloodwork.
• The aim is lean muscle gain, which I think Primo will tick the box nicely on, and I figure it won't negatively increase E2.

Currently on TRT+ (250mg/ week) and will be dropping back to TRT (150-200mg/ week) after I do this 8-12 week cycle. I don't expect crazy results from what many would consider a small cycle, but a kickstart into the new year and keeping the momentum going is what I'm aiming for.

Those that have seen me around on the forum would have picked up that I’m a big believer in keeping a very close eye on the bloodwork, and I try to understand as much of the theory as possible, with a willingness to keep learning. While my bloods show everything within range at the moment, there are a few things that are in the higher end, which I am aware of and actively monitoring/ treating.

Additional Notes:

I started working out when I was 16 and have done a mix of powerlifting and bodybuilding up until about three years ago. Ended up taking nearly two years off with knee and hip issues. Body fat ballooned during the time where I wasn't working out, and I went from 112kg at 12% all the way up to 130kg. Had quite bad lethargy, low motivation, low sex drive, etc and a blood test ordered by the doctor showed my test levels were down the drain (free test was at 193 pmol/L).

The doctor was reluctant to go down the path of TRT, so I went to a TRT clinic and got a second opinion with a second blood test. Free test wasn’t any better on the second blood test (204 pmol/L) and they immediately gave the green light.

Since then, have dropped to 113kg and have a good 6 months of consistency around both training and diet. Originally had a target of 105kg (based on my calculations of what my lean body mass is, I’d expect to be 12-13% body fat at this weight (provided my estimation of my body fat is correct) so will be looking to continue dropping fat while (re)building muscle. Particularly keen to keep the accountability high, as well as get real-time advice and recommendations from the crew that are killing it on here.

Happy to take thoughts/ suggestions as to how to further optimise.

Also, I am planning to post workouts with exercises and weights, food pics with macros, pics of my current look, as well as throughout the cycle, etc.

Thanks legends.

 

[willipede]

Looks pretty good what you've got going. I would suggest using aromasin instead arimidex as it's much better AI and suicidal so actually remove e2 whereas you may have problems with e2 rebound on arimidex

You seem to aromatise a fair bit probably similar to myself.

Possible suggestion and probably what I would do in your case is keep test at 250mg, primo a bit higher 350mg as this should help keep e2 in check

Run tren ace at a 100-150mg pw if you really like it personally I wouldn't bother with tren and go on a decent Calorie deficit and you should be able to build muscle while losing a considerable amount of fat

Anavar will be a good addition

I wouldn't go anything less than 16 weeks using enanthate esters

If you're worried about bloods and health drop the tren

 

[Eddie Haskell]

G'Day All,

This is my 1st log but have followed plenty in the past and hope to do the Aussie team proud! I’m throwing this up now, but with Christmas (and a three week trip away) I don’t plan to start logging workouts, nutrition, etc until the new year.

Current Stats:
Age: 29
Height: 187cm
Weight: 113kg
Body Fat % (estimated): 18-20% (would be glad of a second opinion here, not sure of I’m underestimating it, so will throw up some photos)
Training Experience (in years): ~10

Training:
Currently training 5 days a week, and then try ensuring active rest on the weekend (walks/ bike rides, park, etc with the kids). Not long changed to a split of back, shoulders and calves, chest, legs, arms.. I am doing 15-45 minutes of cardio 4-5 times a week, at the end of my weight sessions. Generally train in the afternoon, immediately after work.

Diet:
Daily caloric intake currently 2700/ day. Started tracking again, more from a total calories side of things, rather than the macros, but trying to keep the choices sensible and the amounts reasonable for a 40/40/20 split.

Typical Daily Eating:

Breakfast

• Six egg whites, two whole eggs on a slice of wholegrain toast, or
• 200g of Greek yogurt, 30g of oats and a tsp of peanut butter, or
• Protein smoothie with a scoop of protein powder, 200ml of almond milk, one banana and a tbsp of flaxseeds

Lunch

• Lemon herb chicken with roasted potatoes and steamed carrot, or
• Grilled chicken with brown rice and roasted capsicum, with a low-calorie sauce, or
• Grilled chicken in a Thai style satay sauce, with coriander rice and parsley, or
• BBQ chicken with corn and sweet potato, brown rice and a low-calorie sauce

Pre-Workout Snack

• Scoop of protein and a rice cake with honey or jam

Post-Workout Snack

• Protein shake

Dinner (usually my biggest meal of the day as it's after my workout)

• Grilled chicken with roasted or steamed vegetables and sweet potato mash, or
• Stir-fry with lean beef or chicken and plenty of veggies, with noodles, or
• Steak, mashed potato and steamed greens

Supplements:
CoQ10 (300mg/ day)
Omega-3 Fish Oil (3g/ day)
Telmisartan (40mg/ day)
NAC (2g/ day)
L-Carnitine (1g/ day)
MagTaur Xcell (magnesium and taurine blend)
TUDCA (500mg/ day)
Detox Pro (liver and body detoxifier)
Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Recent Blood Work (while on 250mg/week of Test E):
Total Testosterone: 44.3 nmol/L (reference range: 8.3–29 nmol/L)
Free Testosterone: 1145.1 pmol/L (reference range: 255.0–725.0 pmol/L)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (reference range: 11–71 nmol/L)
AST: 32 U/L (reference range: <35 U/L)
ALT: 34 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
GGT: 31 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
E2 (Estradiol): 128 pmol/L (reference range for males <150 pmol/L) (added in Arimidex to bring this down. Target of 40-60 pmol/L)
Hemoglobin: 169 g/L (reference range: 130–180 g/L)
Hematocrit: 0.51 (reference range: 0.40–0.54)
WBC: 5.9 x10^9/L (reference range: 4.0–11.0 x10^9/L)
Platelets: 310 x10^9/L (reference range: 150–400 x10^9/L)
Creatinine: 95 umol/L (reference range: 60–110 umol/L)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (normal kidney function)
Sodium: 139 mmol/L (reference range: 135–145 mmol/L)
Potassium: 5.2 mmol/L (reference range: 3.6–5.4 mmol/L)
Fasting Glucose: 4.7 mmol/L (reference range: 3.4–5.4 mmol/L)

Cycle Plan:
Cycle Goals: Recomp (lean muscle gain while dropping body fat)

Compounds Planned for Use:
Test E (Bayer): 300mg/ week
Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week
Tren A (Beligas, sponsored by @RhinoUGL): 150mg/ week
Anavar (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 12.5mg pre-workout
Growth Hormone (purchased from @Livewell2024): 3IU/ day
Injection Frequency: Equal amounts, three times a week

Cycle Length: 10 weeks (maybe drop to 8 or extend to 12, depending on bloods), then back to TRT

A couple of points on where my head is at, as far as the cycle and the dosages:

• Will consider increasing Test from week six after I get mid-cycle bloods done.
• I've used Tren several times in the past and absolutely love it, with weekly dosages ranging from 100mg up to 600mg, so understand the sides and what it can/ will do to my bloodwork.
• The aim is lean muscle gain, which I think Primo will tick the box nicely on, and I figure it won't negatively increase E2.

Currently on TRT+ (250mg/ week) and will be dropping back to TRT (150-200mg/ week) after I do this 8-12 week cycle. I don't expect crazy results from what many would consider a small cycle, but a kickstart into the new year and keeping the momentum going is what I'm aiming for.

Those that have seen me around on the forum would have picked up that I’m a big believer in keeping a very close eye on the bloodwork, and I try to understand as much of the theory as possible, with a willingness to keep learning. While my bloods show everything within range at the moment, there are a few things that are in the higher end, which I am aware of and actively monitoring/ treating.

Additional Notes:

I started working out when I was 16 and have done a mix of powerlifting and bodybuilding up until about three years ago. Ended up taking nearly two years off with knee and hip issues. Body fat ballooned during the time where I wasn't working out, and I went from 112kg at 12% all the way up to 130kg. Had quite bad lethargy, low motivation, low sex drive, etc and a blood test ordered by the doctor showed my test levels were down the drain (free test was at 193 pmol/L).

The doctor was reluctant to go down the path of TRT, so I went to a TRT clinic and got a second opinion with a second blood test. Free test wasn’t any better on the second blood test (204 pmol/L) and they immediately gave the green light.

Since then, have dropped to 113kg and have a good 6 months of consistency around both training and diet. Originally had a target of 105kg (based on my calculations of what my lean body mass is, I’d expect to be 12-13% body fat at this weight (provided my estimation of my body fat is correct) so will be looking to continue dropping fat while (re)building muscle. Particularly keen to keep the accountability high, as well as get real-time advice and recommendations from the crew that are killing it on here.

Happy to take thoughts/ suggestions as to how to further optimise.

Also, I am planning to post workouts with exercises and weights, food pics with macros, pics of my current look, as well as throughout the cycle, etc.

Thanks legends.

@hypogaeum fully now you are welcome in the EVO family, amazing log

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, I see meals but actual meals ED would be good to see as you go and portions

Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger, hard to say so far where you at as those are just base exercises no reps weights

cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred, please share the pic to start the log, so we know your base
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more

 

[hypogaeum]

Looks pretty good what you've got going. I would suggest using aromasin instead arimidex as it's much better AI and suicidal so actually remove e2 whereas you may have problems with e2 rebound on arimidex

Appreciate this suggestion. Will source Aromasin and start with 12.5mg EOD.

Possible suggestion and probably what I would do in your case is keep test at 250mg, primo a bit higher 350mg as this should help keep e2 in check

I wouldn't go anything less than 16 weeks using enanthate esters

Depending on the bloods at the 6 week mark, I may drop the Tren out at 8 weeks, and continue on with the Test at 400-500mg/ week and Primo at 600mg or so/ week.

 

[hypogaeum]

Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Switching out for Aromasin, 12.5mg EOD.

Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week

Changing from 200mg Beligas to 150mg Rhino Labs (still from @RhinoUGL) due to stock availability.

 

[hypogaeum]

Yesterday's Workout:

Bent Over Row - Underhand (Barbell)
Set 1: 70 kg × 12
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 8
Set 4: 70 kg × 6
Set 5: 70 kg × 6

Lat Pulldown - Underhand (Cable)
Set 1: 125 kg × 10
Set 2: 125 kg × 10
Set 3: 125 kg × 10
Set 4: 125 kg × 10

Bent Over One Arm Row (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Cable Rope Pullover
Set 1: 40 kg × 12
Set 2: 40 kg × 12
Set 3: 40 kg × 12
Set 4: 40 kg × 12

Face Pull (Cable)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12
Set 5: 30 kg × 12
Set 6: 30 kg × 12
Set 7: 30 kg × 12

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yesterday's Workout:

Bent Over Row - Underhand (Barbell)
Set 1: 70 kg × 12
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 8
Set 4: 70 kg × 6
Set 5: 70 kg × 6

Lat Pulldown - Underhand (Cable)
Set 1: 125 kg × 10
Set 2: 125 kg × 10
Set 3: 125 kg × 10
Set 4: 125 kg × 10

Bent Over One Arm Row (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Cable Rope Pullover
Set 1: 40 kg × 12
Set 2: 40 kg × 12
Set 3: 40 kg × 12
Set 4: 40 kg × 12

Face Pull (Cable)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12
Set 5: 30 kg × 12
Set 6: 30 kg × 12
Set 7: 30 kg × 12

good training day face pulls high reps like a lot of volume

did you prep your face blurred pics for us? please post it up @hypogaeum

 

[hypogaeum]

did you prep your face blurred pics for us? please post it up @hypogaeum

Will take some this afternoon and throw them up

 

[stevesmi]

This is a fantastic workout man keep up the good work

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Will take some this afternoon and throw them up

Thank you

 

[hypogaeum]

Thank you

Current physique, 113kg in the mornings.

 

[hypogaeum]

The aim is to be big enough and strong enough to take down @BodyMonster34 in a fight, but lean enough and good looking enough that he enjoys it

 

[Mobster]

Don't do it for the Aussie team alone - do it for EVERYONE who wants what you want!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Current physique, 113kg in the mornings.

You look amazing, big and thick, huge shoulders and arms and you lean too

 

[hypogaeum]

and you lean too

Nah, nowhere near what I want to be. But the journey is restarting here, and I'm sure I can get back to where I was and go even better!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Nah, nowhere near what I want to be. But the journey is restarting here, and I'm sure I can get back to where I was and go even better!

You have an amazing base if you ask me, super full size

 

[willipede]

Rip in brother, keen to see your progress and see updates

 

[AE1079]

G'Day All,

This is my 1st log but have followed plenty in the past and hope to do the Aussie team proud! I’m throwing this up now, but with Christmas (and a three week trip away) I don’t plan to start logging workouts, nutrition, etc until the new year.

Current Stats:
Age: 29
Height: 187cm
Weight: 113kg
Body Fat % (estimated): 18-20% (would be glad of a second opinion here, not sure of I’m underestimating it, so will throw up some photos)
Training Experience (in years): ~10

Training:
Currently training 5 days a week, and then try ensuring active rest on the weekend (walks/ bike rides, park, etc with the kids). Not long changed to a split of back, shoulders and calves, chest, legs, arms.. I am doing 15-45 minutes of cardio 4-5 times a week, at the end of my weight sessions. Generally train in the afternoon, immediately after work.

Diet:
Daily caloric intake currently 2700/ day. Started tracking again, more from a total calories side of things, rather than the macros, but trying to keep the choices sensible and the amounts reasonable for a 40/40/20 split.

Typical Daily Eating:

Breakfast

• Six egg whites, two whole eggs on a slice of wholegrain toast, or
• 200g of Greek yogurt, 30g of oats and a tsp of peanut butter, or
• Protein smoothie with a scoop of protein powder, 200ml of almond milk, one banana and a tbsp of flaxseeds

Lunch

• Lemon herb chicken with roasted potatoes and steamed carrot, or
• Grilled chicken with brown rice and roasted capsicum, with a low-calorie sauce, or
• Grilled chicken in a Thai style satay sauce, with coriander rice and parsley, or
• BBQ chicken with corn and sweet potato, brown rice and a low-calorie sauce

Pre-Workout Snack

• Scoop of protein and a rice cake with honey or jam

Post-Workout Snack

• Protein shake

Dinner (usually my biggest meal of the day as it's after my workout)

• Grilled chicken with roasted or steamed vegetables and sweet potato mash, or
• Stir-fry with lean beef or chicken and plenty of veggies, with noodles, or
• Steak, mashed potato and steamed greens

Supplements:
CoQ10 (300mg/ day)
Omega-3 Fish Oil (3g/ day)
Telmisartan (40mg/ day)
NAC (2g/ day)
L-Carnitine (1g/ day)
MagTaur Xcell (magnesium and taurine blend)
TUDCA (500mg/ day)
Detox Pro (liver and body detoxifier)
Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Recent Blood Work (while on 250mg/week of Test E):
Total Testosterone: 44.3 nmol/L (reference range: 8.3–29 nmol/L)
Free Testosterone: 1145.1 pmol/L (reference range: 255.0–725.0 pmol/L)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (reference range: 11–71 nmol/L)
AST: 32 U/L (reference range: <35 U/L)
ALT: 34 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
GGT: 31 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
E2 (Estradiol): 128 pmol/L (reference range for males <150 pmol/L) (added in Arimidex to bring this down. Target of 40-60 pmol/L)
Hemoglobin: 169 g/L (reference range: 130–180 g/L)
Hematocrit: 0.51 (reference range: 0.40–0.54)
WBC: 5.9 x10^9/L (reference range: 4.0–11.0 x10^9/L)
Platelets: 310 x10^9/L (reference range: 150–400 x10^9/L)
Creatinine: 95 umol/L (reference range: 60–110 umol/L)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (normal kidney function)
Sodium: 139 mmol/L (reference range: 135–145 mmol/L)
Potassium: 5.2 mmol/L (reference range: 3.6–5.4 mmol/L)
Fasting Glucose: 4.7 mmol/L (reference range: 3.4–5.4 mmol/L)

Cycle Plan:
Cycle Goals: Recomp (lean muscle gain while dropping body fat)

Compounds Planned for Use:
Test E (Bayer): 300mg/ week
Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week
Tren A (Beligas, sponsored by @RhinoUGL): 150mg/ week
Anavar (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 12.5mg pre-workout
Growth Hormone (purchased from @Livewell2024): 3IU/ day
Injection Frequency: Equal amounts, three times a week

Cycle Length: 10 weeks (maybe drop to 8 or extend to 12, depending on bloods), then back to TRT

A couple of points on where my head is at, as far as the cycle and the dosages:

• Will consider increasing Test from week six after I get mid-cycle bloods done.
• I've used Tren several times in the past and absolutely love it, with weekly dosages ranging from 100mg up to 600mg, so understand the sides and what it can/ will do to my bloodwork.
• The aim is lean muscle gain, which I think Primo will tick the box nicely on, and I figure it won't negatively increase E2.

Currently on TRT+ (250mg/ week) and will be dropping back to TRT (150-200mg/ week) after I do this 8-12 week cycle. I don't expect crazy results from what many would consider a small cycle, but a kickstart into the new year and keeping the momentum going is what I'm aiming for.

Those that have seen me around on the forum would have picked up that I’m a big believer in keeping a very close eye on the bloodwork, and I try to understand as much of the theory as possible, with a willingness to keep learning. While my bloods show everything within range at the moment, there are a few things that are in the higher end, which I am aware of and actively monitoring/ treating.

Additional Notes:

I started working out when I was 16 and have done a mix of powerlifting and bodybuilding up until about three years ago. Ended up taking nearly two years off with knee and hip issues. Body fat ballooned during the time where I wasn't working out, and I went from 112kg at 12% all the way up to 130kg. Had quite bad lethargy, low motivation, low sex drive, etc and a blood test ordered by the doctor showed my test levels were down the drain (free test was at 193 pmol/L).

The doctor was reluctant to go down the path of TRT, so I went to a TRT clinic and got a second opinion with a second blood test. Free test wasn’t any better on the second blood test (204 pmol/L) and they immediately gave the green light.

Since then, have dropped to 113kg and have a good 6 months of consistency around both training and diet. Originally had a target of 105kg (based on my calculations of what my lean body mass is, I’d expect to be 12-13% body fat at this weight (provided my estimation of my body fat is correct) so will be looking to continue dropping fat while (re)building muscle. Particularly keen to keep the accountability high, as well as get real-time advice and recommendations from the crew that are killing it on here.

Happy to take thoughts/ suggestions as to how to further optimise.

Also, I am planning to post workouts with exercises and weights, food pics with macros, pics of my current look, as well as throughout the cycle, etc.

Thanks legends.

Yeah the Aussie boys

Looks like a decent log bro. But I need to give you the AE treatment and question some things

You are running a polypharmacy style cycle, awesome shit, however why don’t you use the power of minimal for maximum results and start adding in goodies to further potentiate your goals?

Your plan is to add lean tissue,
Refocus the diet and use carb cycling to keep you lean and refeed days to maximise metabolic rate and increase lean tissue accrual, this will keep you lean and insulin sensitive. You will need to focus more on the diet here and less on the drugs. Because at the end of the day that’s what’s going to give you results. I would suggest getting leaner before you start pushing the lean bulk. Bulking right now or lean bulking may give you sub optimal results. Solid base don’t get me wrong, but if you started a lean bulking at around 9-11% you will be way happier with your results. Sure you can puff up the glycogen stores now and add some size, but the tissue will come through insulin sensitivity.

You could start with 200mg test 3IU GH and some anavar let’s say, that’s going to give you results, adding other things in the mix I don’t think will give you more, it may accommodate maybe 10% more where if you get leaner you will see a much larger return on your investment.

I think personally bro, you should re think the plan, you can do ALOT with what you’re working with.. and if you do things the right way, you can lean out and gain more tissue. Without the use of tren too I specifically specialise in these types of goals, getting bigger whilst getting leaner

 

[BodyMonster34]

The aim is to be big enough and strong enough to take down @BodyMonster34 in a fight, but lean enough and good looking enough that he enjoys it

bro i will give you a few months to get stronger and bigger out of respect. but after that its you and me 1 on 1 in prison cell.

just be ready to get shanked

 

[hypogaeum]

Yeah the Aussie boys

Looks like a decent log bro. But I need to give you the AE treatment and question some things

You are running a polypharmacy style cycle, awesome shit, however why don’t you use the power of minimal for maximum results and start adding in goodies to further potentiate your goals?

Your plan is to add lean tissue,
Refocus the diet and use carb cycling to keep you lean and refeed days to maximise metabolic rate and increase lean tissue accrual, this will keep you lean and insulin sensitive. You will need to focus more on the diet here and less on the drugs. Because at the end of the day that’s what’s going to give you results. I would suggest getting leaner before you start pushing the lean bulk. Bulking right now or lean bulking may give you sub optimal results. Solid base don’t get me wrong, but if you started a lean bulking at around 9-11% you will be way happier with your results. Sure you can puff up the glycogen stores now and add some size, but the tissue will come through insulin sensitivity.

You could start with 200mg test 3IU GH and some anavar let’s say, that’s going to give you results, adding other things in the mix I don’t think will give you more, it may accommodate maybe 10% more where if you get leaner you will see a much larger return on your investment.

I think personally bro, you should re think the plan, you can do ALOT with what you’re working with.. and if you do things the right way, you can lean out and gain more tissue. Without the use of tren too I specifically specialise in these types of goals, getting bigger whilst getting leaner

Hey thanks for taking the time to put the effort into such a detailed and genuine reply.

A couple or points/ questions:
- Carb cycling I have a decent grasp on, but refeeds are something that I’m still not 100% confident on. Any chance you can point me to some material where I can better understand both concepts better in view of implementing? (Happy with text, video or audio)
- The test, GH and anavar was a cycle I considered. I’ll reconsider again.

 

[hypogaeum]

Yesterdays Workout

Overhead Press (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 10 kg × 20
Set 2: 10 kg × 20
Set 3: 20 kg × 12
Set 4: 20 kg × 12
Set 5: 20 kg × 12
Set 6: 20 kg × 10
Set 7: 20 kg × 10

Upright Row (Cable)
Set 1: 50 kg × 15
Set 2: 50 kg × 15
Set 3: 50 kg × 15
Set 4: 48.75 kg × 15

*Lying Incline Dumbbell Lateral Raise
Set 1: 7 kg × 12
Set 2: 7 kg × 12
Set 3: 7 kg × 12
Set 4: 7 kg × 12

*Lateral Raise (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 5 kg × 20
Set 2: 5 kg × 20
Set 3: 5 kg × 20
Set 4: 5 kg × 20

*Superset

Reverse Fly (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 8 kg × 15
Set 2: 8 kg × 15
Set 3: 8 kg × 15
Set 4: 8 kg × 15

Lateral Raise (Cable) (no rest between sets, just switching between arms)
Set 1: 5 kg × 10
Set 2: 5 kg × 10
Set 3: 5 kg × 10
Set 4: 5 kg × 10
Set 5: 5 kg × 10
Set 6: 5 kg × 10

 

[ceo]

Bros. This is a great start to this log.
Lots of good foods and sounds delicious.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Lemon herb chicken with roasted potato. Sounds amazing.

Are you prepping these Foods on your own or you ordering them in?

 

[chesty]

Nice man. A lot of us started training as well when we were teenagers.
And yes, a lot of us have dealt with injuries. Just got to work through it.

 

[Ulter]

Great start to this long so far, my man.

Thanks for getting up the picture on the first page. Now we see what we have to work with.

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[e2]

you will be able to take down bodymonster easy.
he is a poosy haha! jk! now BM is gonna come after me!

 

[2Thick]

nice start to this log man.

love your attitude! shows that you are serious about this!

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

AE gave you some awesome little nuggets to think about.

But at the end of the day, it's your log. So you've got to Mold things and have your own little strategy.

 

[Wootoom]

nice to see you start this one!
A great work out, man. I really like the volume seven sets on the face, pull. Wow. You are an animal.

 

[JasonPriest]

I counted 24 sets on yesterday's workout.
That's some solid volume and right about where I would tell you to stop.

 

[Quadsweep]

glad to see you logging man!
We will be here to help you and answer any questions you have. So, feel free to ask anything you want.

 

[hypogaeum]

Are you prepping these Foods on your own or you ordering them in?

I do some ordering in (sometimes a microwave meal works out more convenient with work). But mostly it's the wife that does the bulk of the cooking/ food prep.

 

[hypogaeum]

Yeah the Aussie boys

Looks like a decent log bro. But I need to give you the AE treatment and question some things

You are running a polypharmacy style cycle, awesome shit, however why don’t you use the power of minimal for maximum results and start adding in goodies to further potentiate your goals?

Your plan is to add lean tissue,
Refocus the diet and use carb cycling to keep you lean and refeed days to maximise metabolic rate and increase lean tissue accrual, this will keep you lean and insulin sensitive. You will need to focus more on the diet here and less on the drugs. Because at the end of the day that’s what’s going to give you results. I would suggest getting leaner before you start pushing the lean bulk. Bulking right now or lean bulking may give you sub optimal results. Solid base don’t get me wrong, but if you started a lean bulking at around 9-11% you will be way happier with your results. Sure you can puff up the glycogen stores now and add some size, but the tissue will come through insulin sensitivity.

You could start with 200mg test 3IU GH and some anavar let’s say, that’s going to give you results, adding other things in the mix I don’t think will give you more, it may accommodate maybe 10% more where if you get leaner you will see a much larger return on your investment.

I think personally bro, you should re think the plan, you can do ALOT with what you’re working with.. and if you do things the right way, you can lean out and gain more tissue. Without the use of tren too I specifically specialise in these types of goals, getting bigger whilst getting leaner

Thanks again for the solid input, mate. I’ve already started diving into a few resources to sharpen up my understanding of carb cycling and refeeds. I’m working through these now, but any additional resources are very welcome!

Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Video 4

I completely get where you’re coming from with dialing things back and focusing on the diet to maximise insulin sensitivity and results. That said, I'm not throwing the kitchen sink at it as far as dosages, so I think I will stick with my current plan for this run as it aligns with my goals and previous experience. I'm also going to have another month of fat loss (between now and when the cycle starts, and provided I can keep that heading in the right direction, things should only be in a better space to start the planned cycle. I’m confident I can keep the sides manageable with the dosages I’ve got in mind to run (especially keeping Tren low and Primo in play), and I’ll be watching blood work closely mid-cycle to make adjustments if needed.

I'm kind of seeing this as a 'recomp kickstart', building off the progress I’ve made so far and keeping momentum rolling into the new year. As always, I’m here to learn and refine, so I’ll keep updating with bloods, training, and diet as I go. Keen to keep this dialogue going and get your input as the cycle moves forward!

 

[AE1079]

Nah, nowhere near what I want to be. But the journey is restarting here, and I'm sure I can get back to where I was and go even better!

Thanks again for the solid input, mate. I’ve already started diving into a few resources to sharpen up my understanding of carb cycling and refeeds. I’m working through these now, but any additional resources are very welcome!

Video 1
Video 2
Video 3
Video 4

I completely get where you’re coming from with dialing things back and focusing on the diet to maximise insulin sensitivity and results. That said, I'm not throwing the kitchen sink at it as far as dosages, so I think I will stick with my current plan for this run as it aligns with my goals and previous experience. I'm also going to have another month of fat loss (between now and when the cycle starts, and provided I can keep that heading in the right direction, things should only be in a better space to start the planned cycle. I’m confident I can keep the sides manageable with the dosages I’ve got in mind to run (especially keeping Tren low and Primo in play), and I’ll be watching blood work closely mid-cycle to make adjustments if needed.

I'm kind of seeing this as a 'recomp kickstart', building off the progress I’ve made so far and keeping momentum rolling into the new year. As always, I’m here to learn and refine, so I’ll keep updating with bloods, training, and diet as I go. Keen to keep this dialogue going and get your input as the cycle moves forward!

Why Tren though? What are you looking for with it?

 

[hypogaeum]

Why Tren though? What are you looking for with it?

I’m using Tren in this cycle for its ability to drive body recomposition- leaning out while still putting on quality muscle. From past experience, even at low doses, it’s incredibly effective for me in terms of strength gains and muscle fullness. There is also enough out there that highlight how well it contributes to nutrient partitioning, which all aligns with the recomp goal I’m chasing.

That said, I know it’s a compound that comes with its share of sides, which is why I’m keeping the dose conservative and running Primo alongside it. I feel the combo gives me a good balance of growth and aesthetics without needing to up the Tren dose unnecessarily. Plus, I’ll have blood work and markers like BP, sleep, and overall well-being under close watch to catch any issues early.

 

[hypogaeum]

@AE1079, having said that, I'm not so stubborn that I won't look at alternatives.

Option 1: The cycle laid out above.

Option 2:
Weeks 1-8

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 9-14

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Tren A 150mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Option 3:
Week 1-6

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 7-14

Test E 400mg/ week​

Primo E 400mg/ week​

Anavar: 25mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Thoughts?

 

[AE1079]

I’m using Tren in this cycle for its ability to drive body recomposition- leaning out while still putting on quality muscle. From past experience, even at low doses, it’s incredibly effective for me in terms of strength gains and muscle fullness. There is also enough out there that highlight how well it contributes to nutrient partitioning, which all aligns with the recomp goal I’m chasing.

That said, I know it’s a compound that comes with its share of sides, which is why I’m keeping the dose conservative and running Primo alongside it. I feel the combo gives me a good balance of growth and aesthetics without needing to up the Tren dose unnecessarily. Plus, I’ll have blood work and markers like BP, sleep, and overall well-being under close watch to catch any issues early.

You can achieve all of this without tren, it does come down to experience and know how. Muscle fullness can come with anavar and hgh from a PED point of view with carb cycling, if you need fullness coming from tren you arent carrying enough muscle tissue or you aren’t experiencing correct outcomes through diet training and nutrition - “fullness” will come and go in a cut, I wouldn’t be so concerned about being full though. It’s trivial and long term it will come. During a bulk, the fullness your after will fade, fullness also comes with more muscle density and development. When you get more mature and more density, the fullness and 3D look is more apparent, but will come through lower levels of body fat.

Nutrient partioning again comes through diet and cardio, becoming more insulin sensitive and losing body fat - we really don’t need to use tren for this effect, tren is for use in the depths of a prep when muscle loss can be caused by low energy input and high output. We can become more effective at partioning nutrients simply by becoming more efficient at burning less fuel per unit of work and that comes with a drop in body fat. Rather go down the route of Mitochondria biogenesis and efficiency, as that will serve a much better function for the body health wise and metabolic health. You can also look into Berberine as a means to improve insulin sensitivity.

Why put health at risk and potentiate more damage to both the brain and body via oxidative stress for the sake of the above when it can be achieved through a more diligent and calculated approach? Simply learning nutrition manipulation, ensuring cardio is consistent and using effective supplementation strategies will be way more effective in the long run and more sustainable, what happens when you come off? How will you sustain what you have done? I hear you with the catching these things early like you said, but I don’t think that’s the point.. you don’t need to catch it by simply doing things correctly. Harm reduction is important.

Strength gains will be there with linear progression in training and causing the right stimulus and adaption, however we are bodybuilding, strength is a great feature but we want to focus on hypertrophy and sarcoplasmic pumps.

Sorry mate, but I need to be critical here and allow people to think more broadly and outside of confines where we can do these things in much more efficient way without having to put health at risk and now stressing about watching health markers because we are using tren.

 

[AE1079]

@AE1079, having said that, I'm not so stubborn that I won't look at alternatives.

Option 1: The cycle laid out above.

Option 2:
Weeks 1-8

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 9-14

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Tren A 150mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Option 3:
Week 1-6

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 7-14

Test E 400mg/ week​

Primo E 400mg/ week​

Anavar: 25mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Thoughts?

Option 3 and increase your GH to 4IU

More over then the cycle, the nutrition will be more important and how you plan to cycle the carbs and calories and you leverage modalities in each tool you are using. How many high days, low days, what source of nutrition, lower volume foods on high days, look into this more over then the cycle. The diet is going to amplify the cycle, not the other way around. When we focus too hard on cycles we get subpar results.

Again forgive me for being overcritical but as a fellow Aussie I would Like to see you think this through and take in consideration what i have said. This is my expertise and how I have come in shape, stayed in shape whilst building lean muscle mass. Your body will thank you for not beating it with a drug that literally rusts your organs

 

[Eddie Haskell]

@AE1079, having said that, I'm not so stubborn that I won't look at alternatives.

Option 1: The cycle laid out above.

Option 2:
Weeks 1-8

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 9-14

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Tren A 150mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Option 3:
Week 1-6

Test E 300mg/ week​

Primo E 300mg/ week​

Anavar: 12.5mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

Week 7-14

Test E 400mg/ week​

Primo E 400mg/ week​

Anavar: 25mg preworkout​

GH: 3IU/day​

​

Thoughts?

If I had to pick an option I would agree with @AE1079 you might need a 3rd option.

option 3 with test primo anavar but boost the anavar out of the gate and lower on the primo 200mgs to start off.

 

[hypogaeum]

You can achieve all of this without tren, it does come down to experience and know how. Muscle fullness can come with anavar and hgh from a PED point of view with carb cycling, if you need fullness coming from tren you arent carrying enough muscle tissue or you aren’t experiencing correct outcomes through diet training and nutrition - “fullness” will come and go in a cut, I wouldn’t be so concerned about being full though. It’s trivial and long term it will come. During a bulk, the fullness your after will fade, fullness also comes with more muscle density and development. When you get more mature and more density, the fullness and 3D look is more apparent, but will come through lower levels of body fat.

Very fair.

You can also look into Berberine as a means to improve insulin sensitivity.

I can get my hands on Mounjaro, which I understand can be effective at improving insulin sensitivity and controlling blood sugar. Thoughts on this instead of Berberine?

Sorry mate, but I need to be critical here and allow people to think more broadly and outside of confines where we can do these things in much more efficient way without having to put health at risk and now stressing about watching health markers because we are using tren.

No sorry needed! This is the reason I threw the log up now rather than in the new year when I was about to do my first injection. It's this kind of back and forwards that gets the brain ticking over, and helps refine things!

Option 3 and increase your GH to 4IU

Jump straight into 4IU or work up from 2-3IU? Half in the morning and half at night?

More over then the cycle, the nutrition will be more important and how you plan to cycle the carbs and calories and you leverage modalities in each tool you are using. How many high days, low days, what source of nutrition, lower volume foods on high days, look into this more over then the cycle. The diet is going to amplify the cycle, not the other way around. When we focus too hard on cycles we get subpar results.

Fully on board with you here- diet and training are the things that need to be dialled in. The gear will simply enhance the outcome, rather than the other way around.

 

[AE1079]

If I had to pick an option I would agree with @AE1079 you might need a 3rd option.

option 3 with test primo anavar but boost the anavar out of the gate and lower on the primo 200mgs to start off.

Yep good take

 

[ballin2504]

Switching out for Aromasin, 12.5mg EOD.

Changing from 200mg Beligas to 150mg Rhino Labs (still from @RhinoUGL) due to stock availability.

Good changes

 

[hypogaeum]

Option 3 and increase your GH to 4IU

Currently have 220IU of GH on order, so am thinking I'll keep that at 3IU.

With that in mind, is the below more along the lines of what you were thinking?

Weeks 1–6:

Test E: 300mg/week​

Primo E: 200mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (start with 25mg/day)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD​

Weeks 7–14:

Test E: 400mg/week​

Primo E: 400mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (consider increasing to 50mg/day depending on how things are going)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD (consider increasing to 25mg if E2 is too high)​

 

[AE1079]

Currently have 220IU of GH on order, so am thinking I'll keep that at 3IU.

With that in mind, is the below more along the lines of what you were thinking?

Weeks 1–6:

Test E: 300mg/week​

Primo E: 200mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (start with 25mg/day)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD​

Weeks 7–14:

Test E: 400mg/week​

Primo E: 400mg/week​

Anavar: 25mg pre-workout (consider increasing to 50mg/day depending on how things are going)​

GH: 3 IU/day (5 on, 2 off)​

Aromasin: 12.5mg EOD (consider increasing to 25mg if E2 is too high)​

You won’t get a lot out of the 3IU if I’m honest bro, GH will show more of what it’s about at 4IU and above, considering E2 is at a good level for the conversion to take place. If it’s a budget thing, I would put my primo money into GH if I had to choose between the two.

Just remember you need a good level of E2 to facilitate GH into IGF1 otherwise it’s a waste of money.

 

[hypogaeum]

You won’t get a lot out of the 3IU if I’m honest bro, GH will show more of what it’s about at 4IU and above, considering E2 is at a good level for the conversion to take place. If it’s a budget thing, I would put my primo money into GH if I had to choose between the two.

Just remember you need a good level of E2 to facilitate GH into IGF1 otherwise it’s a waste of money.

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

 

[AE1079]

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

If this is your first time running GH bro you will be pleased with it at 4IU and believe me when I say you will not need tren..

 

[hypogaeum]

If this is your first time running GH bro you will be pleased with it at 4IU and believe me when I say you will not need tren..

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

 

[AE1079]

Ok, fair enough. Will be my first time with GH, so very willing to take your recommendation.

As far as E2 numbers, 80-120 pmol/L enough?

Awe

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

View attachment 65942

Awesome stack design brother

 

[hypogaeum]

This afternoon's workout, and dinner this evening.

Bench Press (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 15 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 15 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 32.5 kg × 12
Set 4: 32.5 kg × 10
Set 5: 32.5 kg × 8
Set 6: 32.5 kg × 6
Set 7: 32.5 kg × 6

Incline Bench Press (Barbell)
Set 1: 60 kg × 10
Set 2: 60 kg × 10
Set 3: 60 kg × 10
Set 4: 60 kg × 10

Incline Bench Press (Cable)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Bench Dip
Set 1: 12 reps
Set 2: 12 reps
Set 3: 12 reps
Set 4: 12 reps

Incline Cable Fly (30 second rest between sets)
Set 1: 10 kg × 12
Set 2: 10 kg × 12
Set 3: 10 kg × 12
Set 4: 10 kg × 12
Set 5: 10 kg × 12
Set 6: 10 kg × 12
Set 7: 10 kg × 12

Cycling (Indoor)
5 km | 17:40

 

[Pigsy]

Will be following along, your getting some great advice from @AE1079

 

[25homes]

Current physique, 113kg in the mornings.

Great base

 

[RoySimpson]

G'Day All,

This is my 1st log but have followed plenty in the past and hope to do the Aussie team proud! I’m throwing this up now, but with Christmas (and a three week trip away) I don’t plan to start logging workouts, nutrition, etc until the new year.

Current Stats:
Age: 29
Height: 187cm
Weight: 113kg
Body Fat % (estimated): 18-20% (would be glad of a second opinion here, not sure of I’m underestimating it, so will throw up some photos)
Training Experience (in years): ~10

Training:
Currently training 5 days a week, and then try ensuring active rest on the weekend (walks/ bike rides, park, etc with the kids). Not long changed to a split of back, shoulders and calves, chest, legs, arms.. I am doing 15-45 minutes of cardio 4-5 times a week, at the end of my weight sessions. Generally train in the afternoon, immediately after work.

Diet:
Daily caloric intake currently 2700/ day. Started tracking again, more from a total calories side of things, rather than the macros, but trying to keep the choices sensible and the amounts reasonable for a 40/40/20 split.

Typical Daily Eating:

Breakfast

• Six egg whites, two whole eggs on a slice of wholegrain toast, or
• 200g of Greek yogurt, 30g of oats and a tsp of peanut butter, or
• Protein smoothie with a scoop of protein powder, 200ml of almond milk, one banana and a tbsp of flaxseeds

Lunch

• Lemon herb chicken with roasted potatoes and steamed carrot, or
• Grilled chicken with brown rice and roasted capsicum, with a low-calorie sauce, or
• Grilled chicken in a Thai style satay sauce, with coriander rice and parsley, or
• BBQ chicken with corn and sweet potato, brown rice and a low-calorie sauce

Pre-Workout Snack

• Scoop of protein and a rice cake with honey or jam

Post-Workout Snack

• Protein shake

Dinner (usually my biggest meal of the day as it's after my workout)

• Grilled chicken with roasted or steamed vegetables and sweet potato mash, or
• Stir-fry with lean beef or chicken and plenty of veggies, with noodles, or
• Steak, mashed potato and steamed greens

Supplements:
CoQ10 (300mg/ day)
Omega-3 Fish Oil (3g/ day)
Telmisartan (40mg/ day)
NAC (2g/ day)
L-Carnitine (1g/ day)
MagTaur Xcell (magnesium and taurine blend)
TUDCA (500mg/ day)
Detox Pro (liver and body detoxifier)
Arimidex (0.5mg/ week)

Recent Blood Work (while on 250mg/week of Test E):
Total Testosterone: 44.3 nmol/L (reference range: 8.3–29 nmol/L)
Free Testosterone: 1145.1 pmol/L (reference range: 255.0–725.0 pmol/L)
SHBG: 26 nmol/L (reference range: 11–71 nmol/L)
AST: 32 U/L (reference range: <35 U/L)
ALT: 34 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
GGT: 31 U/L (reference range: <40 U/L)
E2 (Estradiol): 128 pmol/L (reference range for males <150 pmol/L) (added in Arimidex to bring this down. Target of 40-60 pmol/L)
Hemoglobin: 169 g/L (reference range: 130–180 g/L)
Hematocrit: 0.51 (reference range: 0.40–0.54)
WBC: 5.9 x10^9/L (reference range: 4.0–11.0 x10^9/L)
Platelets: 310 x10^9/L (reference range: 150–400 x10^9/L)
Creatinine: 95 umol/L (reference range: 60–110 umol/L)
eGFR: >90 mL/min/1.73m² (normal kidney function)
Sodium: 139 mmol/L (reference range: 135–145 mmol/L)
Potassium: 5.2 mmol/L (reference range: 3.6–5.4 mmol/L)
Fasting Glucose: 4.7 mmol/L (reference range: 3.4–5.4 mmol/L)

Cycle Plan:
Cycle Goals: Recomp (lean muscle gain while dropping body fat)

Compounds Planned for Use:
Test E (Bayer): 300mg/ week
Primo E (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 300mg/ week
Tren A (Beligas, sponsored by @RhinoUGL): 150mg/ week
Anavar (Beligas, purchased from @RhinoUGL): 12.5mg pre-workout
Growth Hormone (purchased from @Livewell2024): 3IU/ day
Injection Frequency: Equal amounts, three times a week

Cycle Length: 10 weeks (maybe drop to 8 or extend to 12, depending on bloods), then back to TRT

A couple of points on where my head is at, as far as the cycle and the dosages:

• Will consider increasing Test from week six after I get mid-cycle bloods done.
• I've used Tren several times in the past and absolutely love it, with weekly dosages ranging from 100mg up to 600mg, so understand the sides and what it can/ will do to my bloodwork.
• The aim is lean muscle gain, which I think Primo will tick the box nicely on, and I figure it won't negatively increase E2.

Currently on TRT+ (250mg/ week) and will be dropping back to TRT (150-200mg/ week) after I do this 8-12 week cycle. I don't expect crazy results from what many would consider a small cycle, but a kickstart into the new year and keeping the momentum going is what I'm aiming for.

Those that have seen me around on the forum would have picked up that I’m a big believer in keeping a very close eye on the bloodwork, and I try to understand as much of the theory as possible, with a willingness to keep learning. While my bloods show everything within range at the moment, there are a few things that are in the higher end, which I am aware of and actively monitoring/ treating.

Additional Notes:

I started working out when I was 16 and have done a mix of powerlifting and bodybuilding up until about three years ago. Ended up taking nearly two years off with knee and hip issues. Body fat ballooned during the time where I wasn't working out, and I went from 112kg at 12% all the way up to 130kg. Had quite bad lethargy, low motivation, low sex drive, etc and a blood test ordered by the doctor showed my test levels were down the drain (free test was at 193 pmol/L).

The doctor was reluctant to go down the path of TRT, so I went to a TRT clinic and got a second opinion with a second blood test. Free test wasn’t any better on the second blood test (204 pmol/L) and they immediately gave the green light.

Since then, have dropped to 113kg and have a good 6 months of consistency around both training and diet. Originally had a target of 105kg (based on my calculations of what my lean body mass is, I’d expect to be 12-13% body fat at this weight (provided my estimation of my body fat is correct) so will be looking to continue dropping fat while (re)building muscle. Particularly keen to keep the accountability high, as well as get real-time advice and recommendations from the crew that are killing it on here.

Happy to take thoughts/ suggestions as to how to further optimise.

Also, I am planning to post workouts with exercises and weights, food pics with macros, pics of my current look, as well as throughout the cycle, etc.

Thanks legends.

@hypogaeum Solid log right here!

 

[hypogaeum]

@hypogaeum Solid log right here!

A template really helps! Credit to @DiabolicalGainz.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Confirming I'll make the change to the cycle to be as follows:

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I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

 

[AE1079]

I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

Looking at the physique bro I don’t think it will crash his E2, he has some room to move up test as well so he can get more out of the hgh too as a escalation later in the cycle without increasing GH dose, I reckon it will be a solid cycle and he can adjust as he goes when we see his progress

 

[hypogaeum]

I like this cycle but how do you feel 1:1 testrimo? might crash your estrogen imo @AE1079 thoughts?

My estrogen runs on the higher side. On 250mg/ week and 0.5mg of Arimidex, I'm at 128 pmol/L.

 

[hypogaeum]

I'm at 128 pmol/L.

Target is 80-120 pmol/L so I have enough E2 for the GH to work with.

 

[Pigsy]

Looking at the physique bro I don’t think it will crash his E2, he has some room to move up test as well so he can get more out of the hgh too as a escalation later in the cycle without increasing GH dose, I reckon it will be a solid cycle and he can adjust as he goes when we see his progress

Agree here, very sound advice. Can't add any more

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My estrogen runs on the higher side. On 250mg/ week and 0.5mg of Arimidex, I'm at 128 pmol/L.

In that case I see why you have 1:1 on primobolan

 

[AE1079]

In that case I see why you have 1:1 on primobolan

Let’s see, the great thing is he has options and flexibility in this

 

[Pigsy]

Yes can play around with doses. Get that sweet spot

 

[hypogaeum]

This afternoon’s workout, plus a walk in the evening with the kids (pushing a pram).

Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 80 kg × 12
Set 5: 80 kg × 10
Set 6: 80 kg × 8
Set 7: 80 kg × 6
Set 8: 80 kg × 6

Hack Squat
Set 1: 70 kg × 10
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 10
Set 4: 70 kg × 10

Leg Press
Set 1: 160 kg × 10
Set 2: 160 kg × 10
Set 3: 160 kg × 10
Set 4: 160 kg × 10

Romanian Deadlift (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12

Calf Press on Leg Press
Set 1: 120 kg × 15
Set 2: 120 kg × 15
Set 3: 120 kg × 15
Set 4: 120 kg × 15

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This afternoon’s workout, plus a walk in the evening with the kids (pushing a pram).

Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 80 kg × 12
Set 5: 80 kg × 10
Set 6: 80 kg × 8
Set 7: 80 kg × 6
Set 8: 80 kg × 6

Hack Squat
Set 1: 70 kg × 10
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 10
Set 4: 70 kg × 10

Leg Press
Set 1: 160 kg × 10
Set 2: 160 kg × 10
Set 3: 160 kg × 10
Set 4: 160 kg × 10

Romanian Deadlift (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12

Calf Press on Leg Press
Set 1: 120 kg × 15
Set 2: 120 kg × 15
Set 3: 120 kg × 15
Set 4: 120 kg × 15

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I like your 20kg warm up squat wish more fellas would do it perfect pump

 

[hypogaeum]

I like your 20kg warm up squat wish more fellas would do it perfect pump

I haven't been back squating long, and just find that it helps warm up, but also get the right muscles firing when on the heavier sets. I find I end up with bad form and trying to compensate too much if I don't do a few lighter sets that I can really perfect the form on.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I haven't been back squating long, and just find that it helps warm up, but also get the right muscles firing when on the heavier sets. I find I end up with bad form and trying to compensate too much if I don't do a few lighter sets that I can really perfect the form on.

always warm up thats the pro way and you doing it right

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

This afternoon’s workout, plus a walk in the evening with the kids (pushing a pram).

Squat (Barbell)
Set 1: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 2: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 3: 20 kg × 20 [Warm-up]
Set 4: 80 kg × 12
Set 5: 80 kg × 10
Set 6: 80 kg × 8
Set 7: 80 kg × 6
Set 8: 80 kg × 6

Hack Squat
Set 1: 70 kg × 10
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 10
Set 4: 70 kg × 10

Leg Press
Set 1: 160 kg × 10
Set 2: 160 kg × 10
Set 3: 160 kg × 10
Set 4: 160 kg × 10

Romanian Deadlift (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12

Calf Press on Leg Press
Set 1: 120 kg × 15
Set 2: 120 kg × 15
Set 3: 120 kg × 15
Set 4: 120 kg × 15

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@hypogaeum good updates man....keep going.......

 

[hypogaeum]

@hypogaeum good updates man....keep going.......

Currently away for the holidays, so not getting much in as far as workouts. Seeing it as an opportunity for my tennis elbow to improve a bit before the new year.

Getting in a fasted walk each morning (45-60 minutes) and running around with the kids/ swimming during the day, but that’s it for the next few weeks.

 

[LevButlerov]

Currently away for the holidays, so not getting much in as far as workouts. Seeing it as an opportunity for my tennis elbow to improve a bit before the new year.

Getting in a fasted walk each morning (45-60 minutes) and running around with the kids/ swimming during the day, but that’s it for the next few weeks.

waiting for you to come back any holiday pics?

 

[Allupfromhere]

Brother I wish I had of followed your log sooner! Honestly one of the most interesting and engaging of them I have read through, dead keen to watch your journey and learn what I can from it! Enjoy your holidays with the family mate, I’ll be doing the same as of tomorrow merry Christmas

 

[hypogaeum]

waiting for you to come back any holiday pics?

 

[LevButlerov]

beautiful place

 

[hypogaeum]

Cycle support sorted

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Cycle support sorted

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You had to get so many supps where n2guard has it all in one bro but i think you in AU which is hard to get n2guard @hypogaeum

 

[hypogaeum]

Lovely package from @RhinoUGL with a few freebies thrown in, which was a nice surprise!

 

[CypherOCE]

Don’t think I’ve read through a log and learned as much as this @AE1079 thank you for the sound advice and @hypogaeum for taking it on board

This will be a great log to follow and learn from.

Thanks guys! Looking forward to seeing this get started!

 

[RhinoUGL]

Very impressed with your Log brother, keep it up.

Also @CypherOCE @AE1079 @Pigsy @Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx and the rest of the crew on here, thanks for chipping in and offering advice and support for @hypogaeum it's great to see everyone supporting a fellow battler in the Evo community. Hyogaeum has a great foundation to build on and we can't wait to see his progress.

Have a great weekend guys.

 

[Pigsy]

Yes

Very impressed with your Log brother, keep it up.

Also @CypherOCE @AE1079 @Pigsy @Eddie Haskell @LevButlerov @Noah Wixx and the rest of the crew on here, thanks for chipping in and offering advice and support for @hypogaeum it's great to see everyone supporting a fellow battler in the Evo community. Hyogaeum has a great foundation to build on and we can't wait to see his progress.

Have a great weekend guys.

Yes he has brother, looking forward to following this log. Has a great foundation to go far

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yes


Yes he has brother, looking forward to following this log. Has a great foundation to go far

If he can stay lazer focused and puts his heart and soul into this, he most certainly will go as far as he wants to take things.

 

[Pigsy]

If he can stay lazer focused and puts his heart and soul into this, he most certainly will go as far as he wants to take things.

He's come to the right place, for support and motivation with the EVO family

 

[Noah Wixx]

He's come to the right place, for support and motivation with the EVO family

Absolutely brother, just be open and receptive and we will handle the rest

 

[hypogaeum]

Weighed in at 109.9kg this morning, so down 3kg in the last three weeks, which I see as pretty decent considering the holiday food and only one weight session. I did significantly increase my daily steps (from an average of 8000 to 15000) through a combination of fasted walks in the morning and getting out and about with the kids/ family.

First proper day back in the gym will be this afternoon. Feeling good and pumped to get back in there. Still a slight niggle in the forearm/ elbow joint from the tennis elbow that I have come and go, but it's about 90-95% better. Will continue to get needling and deep tissue massage on it over the next month to ensure that it doesn't flare up any more.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Weighed in at 109.9kg this morning, so down 3kg in the last three weeks, which I see as pretty decent considering the holiday food and only one weight session. I did significantly increase my daily steps (from an average of 8000 to 15000) through a combination of fasted walks in the morning and getting out and about with the kids/ family.

First proper day back in the gym will be this afternoon. Feeling good and pumped to get back in there. Still a slight niggle in the forearm/ elbow joint from the tennis elbow that I have come and go, but it's about 90-95% better. Will continue to get needling and deep tissue massage on it over the next month to ensure that it doesn't flare up any more.

good weight bro want to see some meals up

 

[hypogaeum]

good weight bro want to see some meals up

 

[hypogaeum]

Breakfast was 50g of oats, scoop of WPI and 3/4 cup of milk. Blended up and then into the microwave for 90 seconds.
Lunch was a Strength Meals Co butter chicken (pressed for time, the macros work for me, and they're actually seriously tasty).
Preworkout will be cup of rice and 95g of tuna. Just making it up now.
And dinner is left over stir fry and rice (pic from last night).

 

[hypogaeum]

Good to be back. Felt a bit gassed by the end, but I was keeping the rest periods to 60 seconds (30 seconds between sets on the face pulls) and the initial rowing warm up got a bit more full on than I originally intended as I got into it. Matched all lifts from the last back session, so feeling confident that I didn’t lose too much miscue in the two week break.

Rowing (Machine)
Set 1: 1 km | 4:15

Bent Over Row - Underhand (Barbell)
Set 1: 70 kg × 12
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 8
Set 4: 70 kg × 6
Set 5: 70 kg × 6

Lat Pulldown - Underhand (Cable)
Set 1: 125 kg × 10
Set 2: 125 kg × 10
Set 3: 125 kg × 10
Set 4: 125 kg × 10

Bent Over One Arm Row (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Cable Rope Pullover
Set 1: 40 kg × 12
Set 2: 40 kg × 12
Set 3: 40 kg × 12
Set 4: 40 kg × 12

Face Pull (Cable)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12
Set 5: 30 kg × 12
Set 6: 30 kg × 12
Set 7: 30 kg × 12

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

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Breakfast was 50g of oats, scoop of WPI and 3/4 cup of milk. Blended up and then into the microwave for 90 seconds.
Lunch was a Strength Meals Co butter chicken (pressed for time, the macros work for me, and they're actually seriously tasty).
Preworkout will be cup of rice and 95g of tuna. Just making it up now.
And dinner is left over stir fry and rice (pic from last night).

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protein has to go up bro much higher at least 200 for your size

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Good to be back. Felt a bit gassed by the end, but I was keeping the rest periods to 60 seconds (30 seconds between sets on the face pulls) and the initial rowing warm up got a bit more full on than I originally intended as I got into it. Matched all lifts from the last back session, so feeling confident that I didn’t lose too much miscue in the two week break.

Rowing (Machine)
Set 1: 1 km | 4:15

Bent Over Row - Underhand (Barbell)
Set 1: 70 kg × 12
Set 2: 70 kg × 10
Set 3: 70 kg × 8
Set 4: 70 kg × 6
Set 5: 70 kg × 6

Lat Pulldown - Underhand (Cable)
Set 1: 125 kg × 10
Set 2: 125 kg × 10
Set 3: 125 kg × 10
Set 4: 125 kg × 10

Bent Over One Arm Row (Dumbbell)
Set 1: 25 kg × 10
Set 2: 25 kg × 10
Set 3: 25 kg × 10
Set 4: 25 kg × 10

Cable Rope Pullover
Set 1: 40 kg × 12
Set 2: 40 kg × 12
Set 3: 40 kg × 12
Set 4: 40 kg × 12

Face Pull (Cable)
Set 1: 30 kg × 12
Set 2: 30 kg × 12
Set 3: 30 kg × 12
Set 4: 30 kg × 12
Set 5: 30 kg × 12
Set 6: 30 kg × 12
Set 7: 30 kg × 12

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@hypogaeum back is wide and strong bro looks thick

 

[stevesmi]

Nice job man the back is really coming into shape

 

[hypogaeum]

protein has to go up bro much higher at least 200 for your size

Today’s more along the lines of what you have in mind?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Today’s more along the lines of what you have in mind?

this is much better bro what did you up?

 

[CypherOCE]

Today’s more along the lines of what you have in mind?

Stellar improvement!

 

[hypogaeum]

this is much better bro what did you up?

Threw in some jasmine rice and a some smoked salmon to get both the overall calories and protein into the right space.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Threw in some jasmine rice and a some smoked salmon to get both the overall calories and protein into the right space.

nice i love salmon bro

 

[Mobster]

The gassing will go as you adapt

 

[zedhed]

Very nice looking meals. you really know how to mix and rice with some good food.

 

[caligirl85]

Is that chicken with the rice in that picture?

It looks like you added some sauce.

 

[Shrine]

Thanks for taking the time to lay out your Macros.

Looks really good.

 

[Zyglamail]

Definitely a good workout.
The back is the area that definitely gets the most damage.

 

[Arabian]

Keep up the good work.

Bent over rows are the best. They really train your back.