Approved Log My Dbol to testosterone Transformation Cycle Log

[Flyingandrei]

BODY STATS / TESTOSTERONE UPDATE

Weight to 113kg

No change to nutrition
Same Calories 2800
Same Macros 200 P / 305 C / 73 F

Cardio
10k - 16k steps daily (roughy 500 cals)

5 mins hit cardio post workout 1 min on 1 min off.

Body fat test 25% Navy sewing tape technique ( Learned from Paul revelia)

Used to do pinches with calipers on my clients . The sewing tape method provides a similar result so long as your consistent and dont lie lol.

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Testosterone report after 7 days

Better energy
More focus
More drive
Libido decided to show up after abandonment

 

[Flyingandrei]

TRAINING UPDATE
BACK/ REAR DELTS

Back day November 10 December 24

Db row single arms
15 x 27.5kg In repes
10 x 42.5 kg in reps

Barbell bent over row
12 x 80 in reps
10 x 100 in reps

Reverse grip lat pulldown
12 x 65 in reps
8 x 77 in weight

Reverse fly (for back) superset / wide elbow row
15 x 9/ 15 x 8 in reps
15x 8 / 15 x 9 in reps

Dumbbell Shrug
10x 40kg in reps
12 x 35kg in reps

Db rear delt
15 x 12.5 in reps
12 x 15kg in reps

Back for me is one of those once i get to a certain level of leaness it pops. My waist goes thin and v taper shines.

Will be a long time before this happens o bet.

Throwback pic before i put on all the fluff

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

BODY STATS / TESTOSTERONE UPDATE

Weight to 113kg

No change to nutrition
Same Calories 2800
Same Macros 200 P / 305 C / 73 F

Cardio
10k - 16k steps daily (roughy 500 cals)

5 mins hit cardio post workout 1 min on 1 min off.

Body fat test 25% Navy sewing tape technique ( Learned from Paul revelia)

Used to do pinches with calipers on my clients . The sewing tape method provides a similar result so long as your consistent and dont lie lol.

---

Testosterone report after 7 days

Better energy
More focus
More drive
Libido decided to show up after abandonment

I would start cutting carbs increasing fats and protein to shred up bro and start a few fasting sessions

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

TRAINING UPDATE
BACK/ REAR DELTS

Back day November 10 December 24

Db row single arms
15 x 27.5kg In repes
10 x 42.5 kg in reps

Barbell bent over row
12 x 80 in reps
10 x 100 in reps

Reverse grip lat pulldown
12 x 65 in reps
8 x 77 in weight

Reverse fly (for back) superset / wide elbow row
15 x 9/ 15 x 8 in reps
15x 8 / 15 x 9 in reps

Dumbbell Shrug
10x 40kg in reps
12 x 35kg in reps

Db rear delt
15 x 12.5 in reps
12 x 15kg in reps

Back for me is one of those once i get to a certain level of leaness it pops. My waist goes thin and v taper shines.

Will be a long time before this happens o bet.

Throwback pic before i put on all the fluff

The pic looks legit you'll get back to this size soon bro
how about you share pics now? so we can do a back comparison

training is strong but you dont need 8 reps on anything, all should be 12-20 reps range

 

[Flyingandrei]

I would start cutting carbs increasing fats and protein to shred up bro and start a few fasting sessions

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

 

[Flyingandrei]

The pic looks legit you'll get back to this size soon bro
how about you share pics now? so we can do a back comparison

training is strong but you dont need 8 reps on anything, all should be 12-20 reps range

Ok I will change all low reps to higher unless its a heavy compound.

Im pretty bloated in these pics i had rice and eggs for pre gym not long before and high fat %(25) also

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Ok I will change all low reps to higher unless its a heavy compound.

Im pretty bloated in these pics i had rice and eggs for pre gym not long before and high fat %(25) also

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

You're overthinking this bro
I would start with fasting like 18/6 and then 72 hour rolling

 

[Flyingandrei]

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

I bulked naturally post comp 74kg 2019 October to 125kg. I knew if I wanted to improve i had to get comfortable in a surplus so that's how the fluff came about.

Yeah lets do it. Im keen to give fasting a go so long as I don't lose a lot of muscle lol.

Whats the recommendation. Ill implement it starting next week.

 

[stevesmi]

Alright when a classic physique champ mentions fasting i may have to just do that.

Yep that is always my go to with any cut, is once it stalls, reduce 100 calories by carbs only.

What's your thoughts on this. When protein calories is accounted for your left with the same ammount of calories to distribute macros to fat or carbs anyway.

Ive always favoured a higher carb approach. I like fullness. Gym pumps, more glycogen over higher fat especially keto i flat out refuse it... weaker pumps, look flatter etc

high carbs is fine, as long as they are the right carbs

people in blue zones are lean as hell and the majority of their macros are carbs. but they eat things like fruit, beans, brown rice, peas, potatoes and those types of carbs. not cake, ice cream and junky carbs

i don't think anyone ever got fat off sweet potatoes and brown rice.

 

[Flyingandrei]

high carbs is fine, as long as they are the right carbs

people in blue zones are lean as hell and the majority of their macros are carbs. but they eat things like fruit, beans, brown rice, peas, potatoes and those types of carbs. not cake, ice cream and junky carbs

i don't think anyone ever got fat off sweet potatoes and brown

you're not bloated, you have a great muscle base there, and big size, something to cut down to bro
I can see you shredded and getting super lean and big muscles as well
fasting is what we should discuss

Bro I can't do it. Theres just too much research that goes against fasting for cutting.

We all knows mikes on the juice so if he's not utilising it it gives me doubt.

Also not excuses but like to train at nights with all meals for the day. I find my body is much weaker when i dont have food.

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[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@Flyingandrei thats fine, up to you, but fasting works its just a fact, no research on paper, I'm talking about real life results with clients over the years.
I think fasting is hard for most due to self control issues, thats how they get big in the first place, but that doesnt take away from the fact that it works and its a very effective fat loss tool. Semaglutide is essentially fasting in a bottle for guys who can't control their appetite. Thats not a bad thing, some guys just cant don it, but doesnt make fasting ineffective.

@stevesmi can chime in here
read @stevesmi fasting log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/
Steves 10 and 19 days fasting journeys:
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Logs to check:
You should check out @Dadbod1996 log - he lost 50lbs fasting on a simple cycle, so yes fasting does work anecdotally and factually: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-winstrol-cycle-log.100926/post-1653500

Also @ElDurko Log - 300lbs down to around 217 fasting and IF and carnivore - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-transformation-log.101699/

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei thats fine, up to you, but fasting works its just a fact, no research on paper, I'm talking about real life results with clients over the years.
I think fasting is hard for most due to self control issues, thats how they get big in the first place, but that doesnt take about from the fact that it works and its a very effective fat loss tool. Semaglutide is essentially fasting in a bottle for guys who can't control their appetite. Thats not a bad thing, some guys just cant don it, but doesnt make fasting ineffective.

@stevesmi can chime in here
read @stevesmi fasting log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/
Steves 10 and 19 days fasting journeys:
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Logs to check:
You should check out @Dadbod1996 log - he lost 50lbs fasting on a simple cycle, so yes fasting does work anecdotally and factually: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-winstrol-cycle-log.100926/post-1653500

Also @ElDurko Log - 300lbs down to around 217 fasting and IF and carnivore - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-transformation-log.101699/

Good good! I did read Steves one and it threw me off with the strength loss. Vascularity he got was top tier.

I think for me its not the doing it. Im a disciplined person. Once i set my mind to it i do it

Main thing here is muscle loss I'm concerned about and looking flat. As you will know what I mean,

Cutting already makes someone look flat from the reduction of carbs.

Alright bet! @Npcclassicphysique champ ive got nothing to lose and im cutting anyway ill give it a go!

I will however be sure to set my times so that i can eat pre and post gym.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Good good! I did read Steves one and it threw me off with the strength loss. Vascularity he got was top tier.

I think for me its not the doing it. Im a disciplined person. Once i set my mind to it i do it

Main thing here is muscle loss I'm concerned about and looking flat. As you will know what I mean,

Cutting already makes someone look flat from the reduction of carbs.

Alright bet! @Npcclassicphysique champ ive got nothing to lose and im cutting anyway ill give it a go!

I will however be sure to set my times so that i can eat pre and post gym.

Before you go too deep into fasting, start slow, lets start 16/8 eating then 18/6 eating, meaning 16 hours fasted, 8 hour eating window and next week 18 hours fasted 6 hour fasting window, the week after 22 hour fasting 2 hour feeding window.
Once you can train on this, we can start rolling OMAD and some 48-72 hour fasts.

I wouldn't worry about muscle loss, ketosis is anti-catabolic and muscle sparing, and you're on a cycle so not an issue for you. And muscles you can always gain back, its much harder to lean out, @Flyingandrei

 

[Mobster]

Progress on reps across the board

 

[stevesmi]

Bro I can't do it. Theres just too much research that goes against fasting for cutting.

We all knows mikes on the juice so if he's not utilising it it gives me doubt.

Also not excuses but like to train at nights with all meals for the day. I find my body is much weaker when i dont have food.

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1. you gotta remember that humans are supposed to feast/famine, literally how our guts evolved. we aren't grazers like cows, goats who have completely different guts.

2. pro bodybuilders like Hadi and Big Ramy fast for religious/cultural reasons and have Mr. O trophies

3. people in blue zones fast and are the healthiest people in the world and they all have different diets but what they do have in common with nutrition is they fast

4. if fasting doesn't work, why are ketones shown in urine after 20 hours? of course it works and its the most effective way to reach and stay in ketosis

5. many pro athletes including tom brady, rob gronkowski, jaylen waddle, and Derrick Henry.. along with MMA guys, soccer players, etc. follow time restricted eating. they won't even eat their first meal of the day until 4 or 5pm.

definately check out my log and look at the research, its there. don't go by what some bald meathead 'youtube dr' says who is reading off a paper lol. he didn't site a single study and was just spouting bro science. i could destroy his reasoning in 5 seconds. his last point that you can't grow muscle fasting shows how ignorant he is. when you fast your hgh goes sky high, that is why you actually hold muscle and even grow it when fasting. the study i posted in my log was done on ATHLETES (not a lazy study they did on obese people to push an agenda) who were already in great shape, and showed not only did they burn a ton of fat doing alternate day fasting but they actually GAINED muscle, even while keeping their protein the same. so fasting is a weapon and there are many ways to do it.

if you are unable to train fasted then that is because you've built up a lot of insulin resistance or you simply became addicted to carbs which is not good, but luckily that can be reversed. it will be uncomfortable at first for a few weeks but once that switch goes off you won't want to train any other way. don't worry your blood sugar doesn't drop and drop to 0 when you fast because your body will slow release stored up sugar back into the blood stream, so you actually will feel more energetic and be more balanced when fasting. you won't get hypo at all, quite the opposite

in your specific situation this is how i would use fasting since you train late in the day.
i would do fasted cardio in the AM. high intensity training for 15 minutes. your body will be forced to tap into those fat stores. again it might suck at first but you will force your body to adapt.. the key making this most successful is try and be atleast 20 hours into your fast this way you are in ketosis. then after this don't eat till midday. let the fat burn go for hours after.

 

[Flyingandrei]

1. you gotta remember that humans are supposed to feast/famine, literally how our guts evolved. we aren't grazers like cows, goats who have completely different guts.

2. pro bodybuilders like Hadi and Big Ramy fast for religious/cultural reasons and have Mr. O trophies

3. people in blue zones fast and are the healthiest people in the world and they all have different diets but what they do have in common with nutrition is they fast

4. if fasting doesn't work, why are ketones shown in urine after 20 hours? of course it works and its the most effective way to reach and stay in ketosis

5. many pro athletes including tom brady, rob gronkowski, jaylen waddle, and Derrick Henry.. along with MMA guys, soccer players, etc. follow time restricted eating. they won't even eat their first meal of the day until 4 or 5pm.

definately check out my log and look at the research, its there. don't go by what some bald meathead 'youtube dr' says who is reading off a paper lol. he didn't site a single study and was just spouting bro science. i could destroy his reasoning in 5 seconds. his last point that you can't grow muscle fasting shows how ignorant he is. when you fast your hgh goes sky high, that is why you actually hold muscle and even grow it when fasting. the study i posted in my log was done on ATHLETES (not a lazy study they did on obese people to push an agenda) who were already in great shape, and showed not only did they burn a ton of fat doing alternate day fasting but they actually GAINED muscle, even while keeping their protein the same. so fasting is a weapon and there are many ways to do it.

if you are unable to train fasted then that is because you've built up a lot of insulin resistance or you simply became addicted to carbs which is not good, but luckily that can be reversed. it will be uncomfortable at first for a few weeks but once that switch goes off you won't want to train any other way. don't worry your blood sugar doesn't drop and drop to 0 when you fast because your body will slow release stored up sugar back into the blood stream, so you actually will feel more energetic and be more balanced when fasting. you won't get hypo at all, quite the opposite

in your specific situation this is how i would use fasting since you train late in the day.
i would do fasted cardio in the AM. high intensity training for 15 minutes. your body will be forced to tap into those fat stores. again it might suck at first but you will force your body to adapt.. the key making this most successful is try and be atleast 20 hours into your fast this way you are in ketosis. then after this don't eat till midday. let the fat burn go for hours after.

Ive done 16/8 fast before , years ago. It did work wonders for weightloss but it made me look stringy and flat as hell. Like major starvation look.

This time may be different because I'm on cycle. Ill give it another go starting next week since im like 249lbs lol

 

[stevesmi]

Ive done 16/8 fast before , years ago. It did work wonders for weightloss but it made me look stringy and flat as hell. Like major starvation look.

This time may be different because I'm on cycle. Ill give it another go starting next week since im like 249lbs lol

100% you will flatten out while fasting man. but once you eat the muscles fill up fast. when i do a prolong fast it takes 2-3 days to fill back out.

also when it comes to strength, fasting isn't a good idea ahead of a workout . you need that extra glycogen store in the muscles. this is why when powerlifters fast to make weight ahead of a competition, they weigh-in and then they eat some quick sugars. i can remember when i competed dudes were eating things like bananas, and even candy bars lol. anything they could get in between the weigh-ins and actual lifting.. i tried the candy bar thing but i felt like ass after eating them, so i stuck to fruit.

anyway long story short no matter who you are you can benefit from different fasting strategies. whether you are Mr. O champion or you are just a normal joe. its something you should use as a tool just like anything else.

 

[Flyingandrei]

100% you will flatten out while fasting man. but once you eat the muscles fill up fast. when i do a prolong fast it takes 2-3 days to fill back out.

also when it comes to strength, fasting isn't a good idea ahead of a workout . you need that extra glycogen store in the muscles. this is why when powerlifters fast to make weight ahead of a competition, they weigh-in and then they eat some quick sugars. i can remember when i competed dudes were eating things like bananas, and even candy bars lol. anything they could get in between the weigh-ins and actual lifting.. i tried the candy bar thing but i felt like ass after eating them, so i stuck to fruit.

anyway long story short no matter who you are you can benefit from different fasting strategies. whether you are Mr. O champion or you are just a normal joe. its something you should use as a tool just like anything else.

We shall soon see thanks steve.

 

[Austin316]

There is no better way to train than while fasted.

You feel agile and you feel nice and fresh.

 

[sambee38]

Yes, completely normal to have some strength loss when you're fasting, but it comes right back and you get stronger in the end.

But you've got to utilize different tools for what your goals are.

 

[BookerTNY]

I think at the very least you should do some fasted cardio in the morning.

Then later in the day, you can have a healthy lunch and then you can work out in the afternoon.

 

[Arabian]

Pro, bodybuilders definitely use fasting as a weapon.

I would say 95% of them do fasted cardio. First thing in the morning before taking all their shit.

 

[Zyglamail]

The thing is the low-calorie diet and eating in a deficit, just doesn't work for most people.

Problem is you really gotta take things to the next level and shock the body more than that.

 

[Shrine]

I think you're on the right track, man.

Just don't obsess so much about having full muscles and getting pumps and all that stuff. It really doesn't have an effect long term.

 

[caligirl85]

no need to do keto dieting then.

just do your fasting here and there, but eat clean carbs as the guys are saying.

 

[zedhed]

There are a lot of good carb options if you can tolerate beans and peas they are amazing.

But if you have a hard time digesting them, then I recommend getting some digestive enzymes.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Steve shares some great information on fasting. He is how I got into fasting, probably 15 years ago.

 

[ElDurko]

It has certainly worked for me. I was doing straight carnivore and the weight was falling off at first. Is I approached the 100lb loss mark,

@Flyingandrei thats fine, up to you, but fasting works its just a fact, no research on paper, I'm talking about real life results with clients over the years.
I think fasting is hard for most due to self control issues, thats how they get big in the first place, but that doesnt take away from the fact that it works and its a very effective fat loss tool. Semaglutide is essentially fasting in a bottle for guys who can't control their appetite. Thats not a bad thing, some guys just cant don it, but doesnt make fasting ineffective.

@stevesmi can chime in here
read @stevesmi fasting log - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ld-more-muscle-and-my-prolong-fast-log.81856/
Steves 10 and 19 days fasting journeys:
https://www.evolutionary.org/my-19-day-water-fast-story/
https://www.evolutionary.org/10-day-water-fast/

Logs to check:
You should check out @Dadbod1996 log - he lost 50lbs fasting on a simple cycle, so yes fasting does work anecdotally and factually: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...terone-winstrol-cycle-log.100926/post-1653500

Also @ElDurko Log - 300lbs down to around 217 fasting and IF and carnivore - https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-transformation-log.101699/

the fasting has been a game changer for me. I was aware of it before I joined the EVO family but have learned so much since then. I started carnivore at 320 plus and as I aproached the 90-100lbs weight loss I began to plateau a bit. With the help of several of the guys here, my goal of 200 lbs by new year is at least attainable now. The fasting works man, no doubt.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

It has certainly worked for me. I was doing straight carnivore and the weight was falling off at first. Is I approached the 100lb loss mark,

the fasting has been a game changer for me. I was aware of it before I joined the EVO family but have learned so much since then. I started carnivore at 320 plus and as I aproached the 90-100lbs weight loss I began to plateau a bit. With the help of several of the guys here, my goal of 200 lbs by new year is at least attainable now. The fasting works man, no doubt.

Positive feedback @ElDurko happy to see you really step it up with the EVO family support and fasting, you have our full love bro

 

[Flyingandrei]

There are a lot of good carb options if you can tolerate beans and peas they are amazing.

But if you have a hard time digesting them, then I recommend getting some digestive enzymes.

I have zero issues with carbs. I highly favour flexible dieting.

There were times over the years I'd do meal prep and items wouldn't be available or id go on holiday and alwaya had to get a hotel with a kitchen for meals lol

Where i think it dosent work is if the person hasnt learned to cut at all or bulk and follow a meao plan to a tee daily

Im very strict how i do think. Looking foward to these strict fastS

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I have zero issues with carbs. I highly favour flexible dieting.

There were times over the years I'd do meal prep and items wouldn't be available or id go on holiday and alwaya had to get a hotel with a kitchen for meals lol

Where i think it dosent work is if the person hasnt learned to cut at all or bulk and follow a meao plan to a tee daily

Im very strict how i do think. Looking foward to these strict fastS

have you checked out the fasting articles bro?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

have you checked out the fasting articles bro?

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1655743

 

[Flyingandrei]

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1655743

Yes i have bro. Starting next week the post above i was replying to about carbs.

I will be still doing flexible dieting and fasting.

 

[ElDurko]

Positive feedback @ElDurko happy to see you really step it up with the EVO family support and fasting, you have our full love bro

Just trying to give back where I can bro, y’all have helped me so much already, it’s the least I can do.

 

[ballin2504]

On e you pull that fat off you’ll look great man. You have a lot of muscle mass

 

[Flyingandrei]

On e you pull that fat off you’ll look great man. You have a lot of muscle mass

Great motivational post for me . Yeah im tired of carrying all this fat around man. Wana get back to diced.

This time Evo style

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Just trying to give back where I can bro, y’all have helped me so much already, it’s the least I can do.

@ElDurko always happy to see you in the mix bro we trying our best

 

[Flyingandrei]

TRAINING

ARMS Dec 13

Body Dips with resistance
17 x 20kg
15 x 20kg

Dumbbell b tricep kick back
15 x 12.5kg
15 x 17.5kg

Skull crush barbell
15 x 35kg
12 x 45kg

Tricep Dumbbell extension

12 x 40 kg
12 x 42.5 kg

Hammer curl
alternate across body

12 x 20 kg
13 x 20kg


Preacher curl machine (World gym)
15 x 32kg
15 x 38kg

Barbell curls
12 x 30 kg
12 x 30kg

Incline db curl
12 x 10kg
12 x 10kg

Wrist curls cable machine

Up 20 x 21kg
Down 20 x 21 kg

Second set
Up 20 x 26.25 kg
Down 20x 26.25kg

Took everyone's advice and changed the reps to 12+.

Loving the testosterone over dbol !!! .

1.Strength is up!
2.My drive to train is way up.
3.Focus is wayyyyy better
4. Sleep quality
5. Wayyyy happier.

If i could explain it WHILST TRAINING, its like i wanted to smash the weights through the fucken mirror if I didn't get my reps i wanted . I think i might not add tren ever lol

Thanks evo fams

 

[25homes]

Motivation bro

 

[Flyingandrei]

Motivation bro

 

[LevButlerov]

TRAINING

ARMS Dec 13

Body Dips with resistance
17 x 20kg
15 x 20kg

Dumbbell b tricep kick back
15 x 12.5kg
15 x 17.5kg

Skull crush barbell
15 x 35kg
12 x 45kg

Tricep Dumbbell extension

12 x 40 kg
12 x 42.5 kg

Hammer curl
alternate across body

12 x 20 kg
13 x 20kg


Preacher curl machine (World gym)
15 x 32kg
15 x 38kg

Barbell curls
12 x 30 kg
12 x 30kg

Incline db curl
12 x 10kg
12 x 10kg

Wrist curls cable machine

Up 20 x 21kg
Down 20 x 21 kg

Second set
Up 20 x 26.25 kg
Down 20x 26.25kg

Took everyone's advice and changed the reps to 12+.

Loving the testosterone over dbol !!! .

1.Strength is up!
2.My drive to train is way up.
3.Focus is wayyyyy better
4. Sleep quality
5. Wayyyy happier.

If i could explain it WHILST TRAINING, its like i wanted to smash the weights through the fucken mirror if I didn't get my reps i wanted . I think i might not add tren ever lol

Thanks evo fams

@Flyingandrei big EVO family support, but a few questions, arent you cutting now? seems if thats the goal we need to swap the dbol for winstrol or anavar, something light. Can you do it?

Training much better, volume is up, you must be sweating.

 

[RoySimpson]

TRAINING UPDATE
BACK/ REAR DELTS

Back day November 10 December 24

Db row single arms
15 x 27.5kg In repes
10 x 42.5 kg in reps

Barbell bent over row
12 x 80 in reps
10 x 100 in reps

Reverse grip lat pulldown
12 x 65 in reps
8 x 77 in weight

Reverse fly (for back) superset / wide elbow row
15 x 9/ 15 x 8 in reps
15x 8 / 15 x 9 in reps

Dumbbell Shrug
10x 40kg in reps
12 x 35kg in reps

Db rear delt
15 x 12.5 in reps
12 x 15kg in reps

Back for me is one of those once i get to a certain level of leaness it pops. My waist goes thin and v taper shines.

Will be a long time before this happens o bet.

Throwback pic before i put on all the fluff

@Flyingandrei awesome work right here! Wings are out!

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei big EVO family support, but a few questions, arent you cutting now? seems if thats the goal we need to swap the dbol for winstrol or anavar, something light. Can you do it?

Training much better, volume is up, you must be sweating.

Lol bro wth. You were the one that gave me the transition advice from dbol only to test.
Im on test my guy. Week 2 of it

200mg a week

Cutting cals and macros

2800
305 carb, 73 fat, 200 protein

Ive changed no macros, no cals

10-15k steps a day
Added 5mins hit cardio 1 min on 1 min off for cardiovascular health.

Im down to 112.2kg
Started Nov 11th at 117.3kg
Been losing at a 1kg ish rate so i could do it slow and maintain muscle mass

However...

The guys/gals have recommended to start fasting for me next week 8/16 hours which im going to implement. Right @Npcclassicphysique champ

 

[Flyingandrei]

@Flyingandrei awesome work right here! Wings are out!

This is just the beginning. Cant wait for shred. Its been 5 years since the last.

 

[LevButlerov]

Lol bro wth. You were the one that gave me the transition advice from dbol only to test.
Im on test my guy. Week 2 of it

200mg a week

Cutting cals and macros

2800
305 carb, 73 fat, 200 protein

Ive changed no macros, no cals

10-15k steps a day
Added 5mins hit cardio 1 min on 1 min off for cardiovascular health.

Im down to 112.2kg
Started Nov 11th at 117.3kg
Been losing at a 1kg ish rate so i could do it slow and maintain muscle mass

However...

The guys/gals have recommended to start fasting for me next week 8/16 hours which im going to implement. Right @Npcclassicphysique champ

Testosterone only is fine I checked back our plan but if test only you'll need al ight Ai there for sure.

So far good start, and I like the fasting plan lets do it.

The macros are interesting, carbs too high, fats too low and protein too low, with foods unclear, please share foods.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Testosterone only is fine I checked back our plan but if test only you'll need al ight Ai there for sure.

So far good start, and I like the fasting plan lets do it.

The macros are interesting, carbs too high, fats too low and protein too low, with foods unclear, please share foods.

Not taking a.i don't have any itchy nipples or any side affect

 

[Flyingandrei]

Training:

Most reps up on all lifts.
Trying to aim 10-15

Leg day

Lunges
12 x 15kg
12 x 15 kg

Machine squat swap leg press
15 x 180 not including plate
15 x 220 not including plate HECTIC

Feet together leg press

9 x 250kg not including plate
8 x 250kg not including plate

Stiff leg Dumbell
15 x 27kg
13 x 30

leg curl lying
12 x 35kg
10 x 40kg

Leg press machine single leg calf raises

2 sets
10 x 60kg
10 x 70kg

---

Week 3 test cycle
Notes

Current 200mg a week
2x 100mg shots.

Motivation has sky rocketed
weightlifting feels easier
Highly driven
Faster recover
Libido annoying (Insane sex drive)

---

Plan:

Keep cutting bodyfat and getting leaner

Bloods end of January.

Increase dose if bloods come back recovered.

 

[hypogaeum]

Not taking a.i don't have any itchy nipples or any side affect

@LevButlerov, just with how his bloods were last check, I'd leave the AI out (unless there are sides of high E2) and then the bloods at the end of January will give us a better view of baseline.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Not taking a.i don't have any itchy nipples or any side affect

you are saying you have high estrogen and you wont take an Ai or did I misread?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Training:

Most reps up on all lifts.
Trying to aim 10-15

Leg day

Lunges
12 x 15kg
12 x 15 kg

Machine squat swap leg press
15 x 180 not including plate
15 x 220 not including plate HECTIC

Feet together leg press

9 x 250kg not including plate
8 x 250kg not including plate

Stiff leg Dumbell
15 x 27kg
13 x 30

leg curl lying
12 x 35kg
10 x 40kg

Leg press machine single leg calf raises

2 sets
10 x 60kg
10 x 70kg

---

Week 3 test cycle
Notes

Current 200mg a week
2x 100mg shots.

Motivation has sky rocketed
weightlifting feels easier
Highly driven
Faster recover
Libido annoying (Insane sex drive)

---

Plan:

Keep cutting bodyfat and getting leaner

Bloods end of January.

Increase dose if bloods come back recovered.

good update but please add your weight so we can track too thanks

bloods lets see how you do

 

[hypogaeum]

you are saying you have high estrogen and you wont take an Ai or did I misread?

Because his E2 was at 64 in the blood test (on the lower side), adding in the 200mg of Test and dropping the Dbol should hopefully bring this back into the right space, and hopefully an AI isn't needed.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1652506

Thoughts on just running the Test at 200/week (without any AI) until the blood test results come back at the end of January?

He's not got any high E2 symptoms, so I'd like to get a clearer picture as to what the levels are all at. The Dbol for 6 months+ probably has thrown a lot out.

 

[Flyingandrei]

you are saying you have high estrogen and you wont take an Ai or did I misread?

No brother.

I was advised to take an a.i with my 200mg shots a week from @LevButlerov

I haven't got any side affects, no itchy nipples or sore nipples

So im not going to take the a.i when I don't need it. I think crashing e2 is silly if you don't have any symptoms.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

No brother.

I was advised to take an a.i with my 200mg shots a week from @LevButlerov

I haven't got any side affects, no itchy nipples or sore nipples

So im not going to take the a.i when I don't need it. I think crashing e2 is silly if you don't have any symptoms.

Yes ai is a good play, you on what dose now? Ai

 

[Flyingandrei]

Yes ai is a good play, you on what dose now? Ai

Im only on low dose 2 x 100mg shots a week.

ZERO side affects, No puffy nipples, no itchy nipples

So why would a a.i be good? I'm not getting any high estrogen symptoms?

 

[Flyingandrei]

good update but please add your weight so we can track too thanks

bloods lets see how you do

Bro last week i was 112.2 kg now im up 113.6. Very interesting considering im doing cardio and diet is in point?

Could it be the test implementation?

Its all good ill go with my experience here as a coach and if it stays the same after another week and a half ill cut off 100 cals or carbs cycle.

 

[hypogaeum]

305 carb, 73 fat, 200 protein

How are you tracking your macros? Could you share a few days of eating with us?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Bro last week i was 112.2 kg now im up 113.6. Very interesting considering im doing cardio and diet is in point?

Could it be the test implementation?

Its all good ill go with my experience here as a coach and if it stays the same after another week and a half ill cut off 100 cals or carbs cycle.

How are you tracking your macros? Could you share a few days of eating with us?

Yup please share some macros and foods so we can see your intake @Flyingandrei

 

[Flyingandrei]

How are you tracking your macros? Could you share a few days of eating with us?

My fitness pal.
Food scale.
Shared meal plan few logs back.
Im a robot i eat the same everyday.

By eating the same everyday i feel its easier to make adjustments when needed.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

My fitness pal.
Food scale.
Shared meal plan few logs back.
Im a robot i eat the same everyday.

By eating the same everyday i feel its easier to make adjustments when needed.

Can you please relink to meals

 

[Flyingandrei]

Can you please relink to meals

Post in thread 'My Dbol to testosterone Transformation Cycle Log'
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1648852

 

[Flyingandrei]

Can you please relink to meals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1648852

 

[Eddie Haskell]

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1648852

Your saying you eat doritos daily ? And candy during training?

 

[Flyingandrei]

Your saying you eat doritos daily ? And candy during training?

Yep. Never had issue dropping weight and body fat. Ive been monitoring it.

The candy is for intra carbs during training for simple carbs.

Dorritos yes but its a meal man high protein nachos. I do flexible dieting.

If you've read my post from my first log you will see I've done many diets I've probably gone full circle through all transformations.

Ive been big as in fat as, small as and lost all muscle, on stage lean (natural) 72 - 74kg right up to going up to 125kg and bulking from 2019 to this year.

Did you see my photos? Ill link it

 

[Flyingandrei]

Yep. Never had issue dropping weight and body fat. Ive been monitoring it.

The candy is for intra carbs during training for simple carbs.

Dorritos yes but its a meal man high protein nachos. I do flexible dieting.

If you've read my post from my first log you will see I've done many diets I've probably gone full circle through all transformations.

Ive been big as in fat as, small as and lost all muscle, on stage lean (natural) 72 - 74kg right up to going up to 125kg and bulking from 2019 to this year.

Did you see my photos? Ill link it

Your saying you eat doritos daily ? And candy during training?

Post in thread 'My Dbol to testosterone Transformation Cycle Log'
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-transformation-cycle-log.102133/post-1648149

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yep. Never had issue dropping weight and body fat. Ive been monitoring it.

The candy is for intra carbs during training for simple carbs.

Dorritos yes but its a meal man high protein nachos. I do flexible dieting.

If you've read my post from my first log you will see I've done many diets I've probably gone full circle through all transformations.

Ive been big as in fat as, small as and lost all muscle, on stage lean (natural) 72 - 74kg right up to going up to 125kg and bulking from 2019 to this year.

Did you see my photos? Ill link it

I think you should cut carbs at least 100 grams if you want to lean out and cut weight, lower carbs to around 150-200 imo

 

[Flyingandrei]

I think you should cut carbs at least 100 grams if you want to lean out and cut weight, lower carbs to around 150-200 imo

Thanks brother i will make adjustments for sure.

I appreciate the input. I know i can come off arrogant but im here for the right reasons.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks brother i will make adjustments for sure.

I appreciate the input. I know i can come off arrogant but im here for the right reasons.

Thats why EVO family is here for you to support and guide you

 

[hypogaeum]

I'd like to see the food get cleaner.


Meal 1: Breakfast

3 eggs (whole): 18g protein, 15g fat, 0g carbs, 210 kcal​

50g oats (prepared with water): 6g protein, 4g fat, 27g carbs, 150 kcal​

50g mixed berries: 0g protein, 0g fat, 6g carbs, 25 kcal​

1 scoop whey protein: 25g protein, 1g fat, 2g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 49g protein, 20g fat, 35g carbs, 505 kcal

Meal 2: Mid-Morning Snack

1 can (95g) tuna in spring water: 20g protein, 1g fat, 0g carbs, 90 kcal​

100g cucumber: 0g protein, 0g fat, 2g carbs, 10 kcal​

15g almonds: 3g protein, 7g fat, 2g carbs, 85 kcal​

Total: 23g protein, 8g fat, 4g carbs, 185 kcal

Meal 3: Pre-Gym Meal

150g grilled chicken breast: 35g protein, 3g fat, 0g carbs, 165 kcal​

100g basmati rice: 3g protein, 0g fat, 28g carbs, 130 kcal​

100g steamed broccoli: 3g protein, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 35 kcal​

1 tbsp olive oil (drizzled over veggies): 0g protein, 14g fat, 0g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 41g protein, 17g fat, 33g carbs, 450 kcal

Simple Carbs Pre/Intra-Workout Remove this entirely. Have a preworkout or something if you need a boost, but you don't need intra-workout fuel at the moment.

Meal 4: Post-Gym Meal

1 scoop whey protein: 25g protein, 1g fat, 2g carbs, 120 kcal​

200g baked potato: 4g protein, 0g fat, 38g carbs, 170 kcal​

1 tsp butter: 0g protein, 5g fat, 0g carbs, 45 kcal​

Total: 29g protein, 6g fat, 40g carbs, 335 kcal

Meal 5: Dinner

200g lean ground turkey or chicken: 46g protein, 5g fat, 0g carbs, 230 kcal​

150g zucchini noodles (or steamed spinach): 2g protein, 0g fat, 4g carbs, 20 kcal​

1 tbsp olive oil: 0g protein, 14g fat, 0g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 48g protein, 19g fat, 4g carbs, 370 kcal

Daily Totals
Protein: 190g
Fat: 60g
Carbs: 130g
Calories: 2,000 kcal

Aim for:
- Higher Protein: Maintains muscle mass and satiety during a calorie deficit.
- Moderate Carbs: Focused around workouts for energy and recovery, minimising unnecessary sugars.
- Healthy Fats: Supports hormonal health without excessive calorie intake.
- Nutrient-Dense: Ensures micronutrient intake (e.g., broccoli, zucchini, almonds).

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I'd like to see the food get cleaner.


Meal 1: Breakfast

3 eggs (whole): 18g protein, 15g fat, 0g carbs, 210 kcal​

50g oats (prepared with water): 6g protein, 4g fat, 27g carbs, 150 kcal​

50g mixed berries: 0g protein, 0g fat, 6g carbs, 25 kcal​

1 scoop whey protein: 25g protein, 1g fat, 2g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 49g protein, 20g fat, 35g carbs, 505 kcal

Meal 2: Mid-Morning Snack

1 can (95g) tuna in spring water: 20g protein, 1g fat, 0g carbs, 90 kcal​

100g cucumber: 0g protein, 0g fat, 2g carbs, 10 kcal​

15g almonds: 3g protein, 7g fat, 2g carbs, 85 kcal​

Total: 23g protein, 8g fat, 4g carbs, 185 kcal

Meal 3: Pre-Gym Meal

150g grilled chicken breast: 35g protein, 3g fat, 0g carbs, 165 kcal​

100g basmati rice: 3g protein, 0g fat, 28g carbs, 130 kcal​

100g steamed broccoli: 3g protein, 0g fat, 5g carbs, 35 kcal​

1 tbsp olive oil (drizzled over veggies): 0g protein, 14g fat, 0g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 41g protein, 17g fat, 33g carbs, 450 kcal

Simple Carbs Pre/Intra-Workout Remove this entirely. Have a preworkout or something if you need a boost, but you don't need intra-workout fuel at the moment.

Meal 4: Post-Gym Meal

1 scoop whey protein: 25g protein, 1g fat, 2g carbs, 120 kcal​

200g baked potato: 4g protein, 0g fat, 38g carbs, 170 kcal​

1 tsp butter: 0g protein, 5g fat, 0g carbs, 45 kcal​

Total: 29g protein, 6g fat, 40g carbs, 335 kcal

Meal 5: Dinner

200g lean ground turkey or chicken: 46g protein, 5g fat, 0g carbs, 230 kcal​

150g zucchini noodles (or steamed spinach): 2g protein, 0g fat, 4g carbs, 20 kcal​

1 tbsp olive oil: 0g protein, 14g fat, 0g carbs, 120 kcal​

Total: 48g protein, 19g fat, 4g carbs, 370 kcal

Daily Totals
Protein: 190g
Fat: 60g
Carbs: 130g
Calories: 2,000 kcal

Aim for:
- Higher Protein: Maintains muscle mass and satiety during a calorie deficit.
- Moderate Carbs: Focused around workouts for energy and recovery, minimising unnecessary sugars.
- Healthy Fats: Supports hormonal health without excessive calorie intake.
- Nutrient-Dense: Ensures micronutrient intake (e.g., broccoli, zucchini, almonds).

Perfect but 1 thing I would add is more fats for sure.

 

[hypogaeum]

Perfect but 1 thing I would add is more fats for sure.

Yeah that's just me ripping through MyFitnessPal to see some of the meals to get the overall number roughly in the right space. Key thing I want to show, though, is that you can hit the same caloric number with way cleaner foods. Your body and digestive system will thank you, you'll be able to utilise the food better for fuel, and it'll not be the thing making us wonder if that's why progress has stalled.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Perfect but 1 thing I would add is more fats for sure.

Tuna nope. Never will eat jr

Yeah that's just me ripping through MyFitnessPal to see some of the meals to get the overall number roughly in the right space. Key thing I want to show, though, is that you can hit the same caloric number with way cleaner foods. Your body and digestive system will thank you, you'll be able to utilise the food better for fuel, and it'll not be the thing making us wonder if that's why progress has stalled.

you are definitely right in most but im keen to do this massive cut flexible dieting and show people you dont have to follow a bro diet.

The way i look at it is what makes someone consistent. The reason I don't like clean dieting is because

1. When supermarket items are sold out
2. Having to prep on holiday
3. Same bland foods
4. People lie and blow out and have a cheat meal that could be like 3 days worth or calories lol

tracking calories and macros and flexible dieting keeps me consistent l. Its what works for me and whilst it might not be 100% clean i dont need to have big blow out cheat meals.

I will continue this log doing flexible dieting and adjusting my calories and macros until my calories are so low that i need to get it cleaner and have low calorie volume foods.

Epic advice everyone.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Tuna nope. Never will eat jr

you are definitely right in most but im keen to do this massive cut flexible dieting and show people you dont have to follow a bro diet.

The way i look at it is what makes someone consistent. The reason I don't like clean dieting is because

1. When supermarket items are sold out
2. Having to prep on holiday
3. Same bland foods
4. People lie and blow out and have a cheat meal that could be like 3 days worth or calories lol

tracking calories and macros and flexible dieting keeps me consistent l. Its what works for me and whilst it might not be 100% clean i dont need to have big blow out cheat meals.

I will continue this log doing flexible dieting and adjusting my calories and macros until my calories are so low that i need to get it cleaner and have low calorie volume foods.

Epic advice everyone.

if you want to get lean you need to track what you're doing and understand your diet and your base @Flyingandrei
I've trained 100s of guys over the years and I can tell you logging works and tracking works
but no matter the path you choose the EVO family will support you

 

[Flyingandrei]

if you want to get lean you need to track what you're doing and understand your diet and your base @Flyingandrei
I've trained 100s of guys over the years and I can tell you logging works and tracking works
but no matter the path you choose the EVO family will support you

Lol what do you mean? All my meals are already tracked. I track everything everyday.

Through my fitness pal. Ill tell you what im going to do exactly and I will put a post up here in 4 weeks time.

Im going to go down to 2700 calories. The 100 calories is going to be reduced from carbohydrates. So ill have 25 grams less in carbs. 4 calories per gram carbs 100 cals divided by 4 = 25 grams

I bet i will come in dropped weight and less bodyfat and still eating dorritos and the candy.

Bro diets are oldschool. Layne norton made flexible dieting popular years ago on bodybuilding.Com hes still the leading educator today

If most havent heard of him then they are in bro diet land

Lastly what about sam sulek lol he does flexible dieting and he is jacked.

As i said i track, i do what works for me, I've coached people that do it and had 80% good and 20% flexible dietd ate candy and were shredded.

Bro diets are not for me. Respectfully.

 

[hypogaeum]

To each their own. I've made my thoughts clear (that I don't agree with your approach), but you're clearly going to do it your way irrespective, so I hope it works out. Look forward to seeing you check in at 105kg in four weeks time.

 

[Flyingandrei]

To each their own. I've made my thoughts clear (that I don't agree with your approach), but you're clearly going to do it your way irrespective, so I hope it works out. Look forward to seeing you check in at 105kg in four weeks time.

Yes and thats fine but thats because you take the clean approach which is nice and healthy.

Im not looking for nice and healthy, Im looking for what works and what i know works and whats sustainable for my income, my goals, my consistency.

How can it be 105kg? Im high 112kg 113 . Doing the math of 1kg-1.5kg a week loss in 5 weeks at minimum that should be 108kg.

Calories dont know the difference between a salad and a burger. Just like the good old tonne of feathers tonne of bricks, which is heavier.... its still a tonne.

They may have different macronutrient and fiber intakes but if it fits the macros it does not matter deficit wise. You still lose the same ammount of body fat or weight.

Its been an ongoing debate bro diet vs flexible diet just like trainingbro split vs other splits.

At the end of the day its what works for the INDIVIDUAL and if clean works, Great. If Flexible works, Great also.

They both end up the same destination if they are consistent.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Lol what do you mean? All my meals are already tracked. I track everything everyday.

Through my fitness pal. Ill tell you what im going to do exactly and I will put a post up here in 4 weeks time.

Im going to go down to 2700 calories. The 100 calories is going to be reduced from carbohydrates. So ill have 25 grams less in carbs. 4 calories per gram carbs 100 cals divided by 4 = 25 grams

I bet i will come in dropped weight and less bodyfat and still eating dorritos and the candy.

Bro diets are oldschool. Layne norton made flexible dieting popular years ago on bodybuilding.Com hes still the leading educator today

If most havent heard of him then they are in bro diet land

Lastly what about sam sulek lol he does flexible dieting and he is jacked.

As i said i track, i do what works for me, I've coached people that do it and had 80% good and 20% flexible dietd ate candy and were shredded.

Bro diets are not for me. Respectfully.

they are tracked? ok no issues
please post the myfitnesspal foods and macros for us every day this week we are ready

 

[hypogaeum]

Did you get your HbA1c tested in the blood test? It’s not in there on the screenshots that I can see but I’m not sure if you didn’t get it tested or if you’ve left it out of the screenshots.

 

[Flyingandrei]

Did you get your HbA1c tested in the blood test? It’s not in there on the screenshots that I can see but I’m not sure if you didn’t get it tested or if you’ve left it out of the screenshots.

Sure did

 

[hypogaeum]

Sure didView attachment 66273

You’re in the reference range, but one thing to keep in mind is that while HbA1c measures average blood glucose, junk food (high in refined carbs and sugars) can cause short-term spikes and crashes in blood sugar levels. This can lead to insulin resistance over time, especially when overweight/ high body fat.

If you’re not sure what the importance of your HbA1c is, there’s some Christmas homework for you

 

[Eddie Haskell]

You’re in the reference range, but one thing to keep in mind is that while HbA1c measures average blood glucose, junk food (high in refined carbs and sugars) can cause short-term spikes and crashes in blood sugar levels. This can lead to insulin resistance over time, especially when overweight/ high body fat.

If you’re not sure what the importance of your HbA1c is, there’s some Christmas homework for you

but his HbA1c seems fine? you dont think?

 

[hypogaeum]

but his HbA1c seems fine? you dont think?

Yeah, just something to keep an eye on. If the number starts to rise, the diet might need a tidy up (among other things).

 

[Flyingandrei]

they are tracked? ok no issues
please post the myfitnesspal foods and macros for us every day this week we are ready

Don't need to lol. I feel like people don't listen here. I eat the same every day. The meal plans been shown.

This is the thing Eddie and ill say it again. I don't need help with meals and diet. I know what I'm doing. If i didnt then the weight would be going

The help i needed was transitioning from dbol to test which i am on now. Im not looking to get on stage any time soon. The whole i idea for this was to get me in a better position recovery wise.

You’re in the reference range, but one thing to keep in mind is that while HbA1c measures average blood glucose, junk food (high in refined carbs and sugars) can cause short-term spikes and crashes in blood sugar levels. This can lead to insulin resistance over time, especially when overweight/ high body fat.

If you’re not sure what the importance of your HbA1c is, there’s some Christmas homework for you

And for that you cheeky buggaa im gona add more lollies

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Don't need to lol. I feel like people don't listen here. I eat the same every day. The meal plans been shown.

This is the thing Eddie and ill say it again. I don't need help with meals and diet. I know what I'm doing. If i didnt then the weight would be going

The help i needed was transitioning from dbol to test which i am on now. Im not looking to get on stage any time soon. The whole i idea for this was to get me in a better position recovery wise.

And for that you cheeky buggaa im gona add more lollies

Sure no issues but you seem to have higher body fat than you wanted, so was trying to help you cut, which you need for sure, even a recoup body fat should come down

Generally, when guys don’t share foods they aren’t eating what they say, don’t take this negatively just something I observed over the years

 

[Flyingandrei]

Sure no issues but you seem to have higher body fat than you wanted, so was trying to help you cut, which you need for sure, even a recoup body fat should come down

Generally, when guys don’t share foods they aren’t eating what they say, don’t take this negatively just something I observed over the years

Thanks Eddie. Its all good im just going to stop posting and let the flexible dieting results do the talking.

Ill update February. Weight was down this morning. Changed nothing. Still ate dorritos, candy during training etc.

Have a good xmas and new years, I look foward to updating.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks Eddie. Its all good im just going to stop posting and let the flexible dieting results do the talking.

Ill update February. Weight was down this morning. Changed nothing. Still ate dorritos, candy during training etc.

Have a good xmas and new years, I look foward to updating.

Good luck to you, but I’m guessing you’re not going to update us again how shredded you got eating candy but prove me wrong lol you’d be the 1% to get ripped eating candy

 

[Flyingandrei]

Good luck to you, but I’m guessing you’re not going to update us again how shredded you got eating candy but prove me wrong lol you’d be the 1% to get ripped eating candy

You guys are twisting this to make it seem bro diet is be all is all and yous skip over replys and change how you respond to them.

Where did i say I wasn't going to update you again? I said Febuary id update. Who said id get ripped eating candy? Your twisting my words and you know you are.

I said in previous log posts i dont need to bro diet unless my calories get so low that i need low calorie high volume foods.

So much for "Evo family support". Ive even heard mobster in the podcast say its what diet works for you and helps you stay consistent.

Anyways ill still follow my advice lol.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

You guys are twisting this to make it seem bro diet is be all is all and yous skip over replys and change how you respond to them.

Where did i say I wasn't going to update you again? I said Febuary id update. Who said id get ripped eating candy? Your twisting my words and you know you are.

I said in previous log posts i dont need to bro diet unless my calories get so low that i need low calorie high volume foods.

So much for "Evo family support". Ive even heard mobster in the podcast say its what diet works for you and helps you stay consistent.

Anyways I’ll still follow my advice lol.

Like I said,generally speaking guys who don’t share diet aren’t keeping track or can’t share because it’s not what they say it is (especially it’s already in app) , nothing personal just what I’ve experienced over the years

It’s possible you know best, but as I said , I doubt you’re coming back in February ripped and lean, likely we’ll never hear from you

I’ve been part of the EVO family from EF days for over 10 years, I know stubborn guys and you’re one of them
All good, you have EVO family support, good luck and happy holidays

 

[Flyingandrei]

Like I said,generally speaking guys who don’t share diet aren’t keeping track or can’t share because it’s not what they say it is (especially it’s already in app) , nothing personal just what I’ve experienced over the years

It’s possible you know best, but as I said , I doubt you’re coming back in February ripped and lean, likely we’ll never hear from you

I’ve been part of the EVO family from EF days for over 10 years, I know stubborn guys and you’re one of them
All good, you have EVO family support, good luck and happy holidays

Dude wth your twisting it again. Who said ripped? Did you read my previous logs. Your citing your own story? Did you see me replies to hypo?

I said at 1kg-1.5kg loss a week so in 5 weeks i should be 108. Where did you get, and who did you get The idea from that i said I was going to be shredded?

Broooo this is insane lol

 

[Flyingandrei]

Like I said,generally speaking guys who don’t share diet aren’t keeping track or can’t share because it’s not what they say it is (especially it’s already in app) , nothing personal just what I’ve experienced over the years

It’s possible you know best, but as I said , I doubt you’re coming back in February ripped and lean, likely we’ll never hear from you

I’ve been part of the EVO family from EF days for over 10 years, I know stubborn guys and you’re one of them
All good, you have EVO family support, good luck and happy holidays

Im not stubborn i can tell you that. Its I don't follow and i wont agree with pseudoscience and ill tell you right now. There is a lot of it going down in here.

Secondly the amount of coaches trying to makes sales in here is silly. I understand if i was a complete begginer never competed or anything.

What? Get a coach to tell me the same things i already know, give me a bro diet meal plan to stick to of foods i hate and expect me to pay them hundreds a week Dude its not the 70s, 80s etc its 2024.

Also What would you tell sam sulek? Eat clean foods only, listen to you because youve been here 10 years?

The dude literally flexible diets and is probably jacked than must bro dieters i know on gear.

Secondly noone responded to my posts about layne norton with all the evidence, clients, researched backed but yet...

Bro diets are still is all be all.

I am respectful but i don't have to agree with everything I'm told on here. Im not a sheeple lol

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Dude wth your twisting it again. Who said ripped? Did you read my previous logs. Your citing your own story? Did you see me replies to hypo?

I said at 1kg-1.5kg loss a week so in 5 weeks i should be 108. Where did you get, and who did you get The idea from that i said I was going to be shredded?

Broooo this is insane lol

1.5kg body fat loss per week? Eating candy I doubt it but anything is possible good luck to you

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Im not stubborn i can tell you that. Its I don't follow and i wont agree with pseudoscience and ill tell you right now. There is a lot of it going down in here.

Secondly the amount of coaches trying to makes sales in here is silly. I understand if i was a complete begginer never competed or anything.

What? Get a coach to tell me the same things i already know, give me a bro diet meal plan to stick to of foods i hate and expect me to pay them hundreds a week Dude its not the 70s, 80s etc its 2024.

Also What would you tell sam sulek? Eat clean foods only, listen to you because youve been here 10 years?

The dude literally flexible diets and is probably jacked than must bro dieters i know on gear.

Secondly noone responded to my posts about layne norton with all the evidence, clients, researched backed but yet...

Bro diets are still is all be all.

I am respectful but i don't have to agree with everything I'm told on here. Im not a sheeple lol

Yes Sam sulek with 500mgs trenbolone per week+ and good genetics isn’t the best example imo

But like I said, let’s see in 4 weeks where you drop 6kg bodyfay im all for it but have huge doubts

 

[Flyingandrei]

Yes Sam sulek with 500mgs trenbolone per week+ and good genetics isn’t the best example imo

But like I said, let’s see in 4 weeks where you drop 6kg bodyfay im all for it but have huge doubts

Again twisting it like do you read. I say 1-1.5kg a week. So lets go with 1kg in 4 weeks i will be 1kg lighter lol.

Damn man this insane. I'm not responding now lol. 4 weeks 4kg minimum with lollies with dorritos with the same meal plan but 100 calories less which is 25 grams less of carbs so instead of 305 it will be 280 lol.

See you soon, Awesome chat. Even if i was 2000 calories id still accept this

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Again twisting it like do you read. I say 1-1.5kg a week. So lets go with 1kg in 4 weeks i will be 1kg lighter lol.

Damn man this insane. I'm not responding now lol. 4 weeks 4kg minimum with lollies with dorritos with the same meal plan but 100 calories less which is 25 grams less of carbs so instead of 305 it will be 280 lol.

See you soon, Awesome chat. Even if i was 2000 calories id still accept this

See you soon let see you back leaner and meaner
If not good luck with your life

 

[Flyingandrei]

See you soon let see you back leaner and meaner
If not good luck with your life

Ill be back

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Ill be back

Sure hopefully leaner

 

[Flyingandrei]

Sure hopefully leaner

Sure hopefully will be and ill do scale and body fat check too.

Just finished dorritos and mince was amazing like always.

Candy time

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Sure hopefully will be and ill do scale and body fat check too.

Just finished dorritos and mince was amazing like always.

Candy time

lol candy time , you making me laugh

 

[Flyingandrei]

lol candy time , you making me laugh

Mhhhh

 

[hypogaeum]

Mhhhh

How was the workout? I take it this was as intra as usual?