Approved Log Fatman wants to get thin and fit - Testosterone + Trenbolone + Retatrutide Cycle Journal

[LevButlerov]

I have been at 12.5mg twice per week since the start, and it has not been enough. Even with nolva at 40mg per day on top there was no change. Are you certain I should not bump the aromasin? Seems to me that too much test is aromatising and the 12.5mg twice per week is not keeping up...

It's possible, I'm clicking back where is your last bloods? @shoe

 

[stevesmi]

Cheers, weight is coming off faster now and really starting to feel changes in strength every few days.



I have been at 12.5mg twice per week since the start, and it has not been enough. Even with nolva at 40mg per day on top there was no change. Are you certain I should not bump the aromasin? Seems to me that too much test is aromatising and the 12.5mg twice per week is not keeping up...

also to answer your question even though it was directed to @LevButlerov but didn't want to leave you hanging.. sometimes it can take time for these drugs to kick in. they need to float in your system a bit so give it a chance before you go and raise

 

[shoe]

It's possible, I'm clicking back where is your last bloods?

No bloods this cycle. Yet. But it is looking like they will be needed. I am giving it one more week.

 

[Mobster]

Waist slowly but surely shrinking

 

[shoe]

Waist slowly but surely shrinking

Thanks bro, keeping focused, another 4 weeks I'm hoping is all the difference

 

[LevButlerov]

No bloods this cycle. Yet. But it is looking like they will be needed. I am giving it one more week.

1 more week and lets do bloods

 

[ceo]

No bloods this cycle. Yet. But it is looking like they will be needed. I am giving it one more week.

bros that the #1 reason to get bloods on cycle. to see what going on. @shoe if you are on tren too be careful it can cause false readings for estrogen

 

[Ulter]

Thanks bro, keeping focused, another 4 weeks I'm hoping is all the difference

@shoe you will level out eventually. form there its important to keep things going. it won't come as easy the more weight you lose

 

[ROIDDERS]

No bloods this cycle. Yet. But it is looking like they will be needed. I am giving it one more week.

Essentially you definitely want to get blood work before and after every single cycle. Also, if something is off on cycle it's a very good to get it done. So if you're not sure about something it never hurts. @shoe

 

[ballin2504]

Afternoon brothers and sisters, 8 weeks into cycle hit today and I thought I would provide some updates.

Overall cycle has been progressing beautifully overall. I have conitnued to have no sleep disturbances and the tren night sweats that I have had consistently in the past dont exist this cycle at all, which is incredible. My body has continued much cooler than ever before. I used to sit in my office with the AC cranked to 18o, now at 24o C i turn it off at intervals because feel chilly. Since the reta is the only new substance I am going to put it down to a side effect. I find this positive, I feel cooler at night and during the day, and save on the electricity too!

Reta at 3mg seems to be a sweet spot. I dont feel much in the way of any side effects or anything at all to tell me I am taking it until dinner time, when it severely limits food consumption. The only side of note (apart from the cooling) is it is really terrible on the shitting side of things, I havent had a decent shit since I started.

Weight wise I weighed in this morning at 96.2kg. This is a total loss of 8.3kg. Fat loss has come in slightly higher at 9.3kg to date. This is not as far along as I had hoped by this stage, however it is consistent drops and so I am content to wait and reassess another month and tighten if required. Note that total fat loss is likely greater than this, since I didnt start measuring until a couple of weeks into cycle.

Muscle mass appears to be picking up, both visually and measured. Muscle mass is up around 1-1.5kg or so.

I have barely taken the melanotan in the last month, I want to change that in the next month.

Here are some week 8 pics and charts;

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@shoe man you are looking great brother. You’ve made some great progress!

 

[shoe]

Thanks again all for the positive comments. Weight continues to come off rapidly, and today (or tomorrow) marks a milestone with 10kg total weight lost.

This morning I weighed in at 94.6kg, so just 100g shy of the 104.5 I started at.

On average I am losing about 100-300g per day.

I am also very pleased that size is simultaneously starting to come back, and lifts at the gym are feeling excellent. I am still only moving light weights, but I can feel each session become a little easier, and have been moving the weights up each visit.

Gyno issues have been abating with the added aromasin, I can still feel a lump, but it is now decreasing and the tenderness is reducing.

Initially I had planned not to worry about size and strength but as I continue, and as I look in the difference in what I can lift now compared to the past I am feeling more and more the itch to put on size. I have been gymming 4-5 days per week rotating shoulders, back, chest with arms added in to each day.

Last week I modified this and ran 4 days chest/tris, shoulders/traps, back/bis, traps/arms which I liked a lot (yes no leg day sorry)

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks again all for the positive comments. Weight continues to come off rapidly, and today (or tomorrow) marks a milestone with 10kg total weight lost.

This morning I weighed in at 94.6kg, so just 100g shy of the 104.5 I started at.

On average I am losing about 100-300g per day.

I am also very pleased that size is simultaneously starting to come back, and lifts at the gym are feeling excellent. I am still only moving light weights, but I can feel each session become a little easier, and have been moving the weights up each visit.

Gyno issues have been abating with the added aromasin, I can still feel a lump, but it is now decreasing and the tenderness is reducing.

Initially I had planned not to worry about size and strength but as I continue, and as I look in the difference in what I can lift now compared to the past I am feeling more and more the itch to put on size. I have been gymming 4-5 days per week rotating shoulders, back, chest with arms added in to each day.

Last week I modified this and ran 4 days chest/tris, shoulders/traps, back/bis, traps/arms which I liked a lot (yes no leg day sorry)

Good update, the fast 10 kg drop with strength starting to climb again is a clean sign the aromasin dial in is working for you @shoe

once the gyno lump keeps shrinking you’ll feel even better momentum imo

 

[shoe]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

 

[LevButlerov]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

Love your fasting dedication! Did you prep with elecrolytes? and you drinking them now? @shoe

 

[shoe]

Love your fasting dedication! Did you prep with elecrolytes? and you drinking them now? @shoe

I have these electrolytes which I take 1 per day. They contain about 4g of glucose, which is around 15cals, so it is not a 'pure' 0 calorie fast. I choose to take the looser fasting rules that float about saying less than 50 cals is ok.

I have found without the electrolytes, the alternative is migraines and moodiness by day 2

 

[LevButlerov]

I have these electrolytes which I take 1 per day. They contain about 4g of glucose, which is around 15cals, so it is not a 'pure' 0 calorie fast. I choose to take the looser fasting rules that float about saying less than 50 cals is ok.

I have found without the electrolytes, the alternative is migraines and moodiness by day 2

You should get electrolytes 0 glucose, can you post what you have?

 

[shoe]

I was trying to track down some without glucose, in the end Costco had a great special and picked these up

 

[Mobster]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

I'd prefer to see NO drinking during the week - more so if you truly wanna get in shape. Have a tonic water

 

[stevesmi]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

@shoe not a good idea to drink beer especially before a fast. the simple reason is you don't want to be dehydrated going into a fast. cause when fasting your body will be releasing more liquids then getting in as it sheds body fat in ketosis.

 

[ceo]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

bros imagine if you quit beer. maybe switch to kombucha instead. that sweet beer and healthier @shoe

 

[Ulter]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

seems like you are starting to get the hang of the fasting thing. @shoe You just gotta get a handle on the alcohol. Remember, drinking alcohol is very beta.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

@shoe I think if you stop that alcohol and then do the fasting, that would be the best health benefits. It makes a lot more sense doing it that way. It's much healthier and you'll get a much better fasting experience.

 

[2Thick]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

Beer is an absolute killer. So is any type of alcohol that really sets you back for days. Try and be cleaner than that. @shoe

 

[ballin2504]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

@shoe love to see the fasting on the log. I’d say you’ll be at the goal weight before long

 

[RoySimpson]

Last night marked the start of second 60-hour fast (12hr in now).

After a couple of beers last night at a trivia night (2 schooners and 2 nips of scotch prior) woke up feeling quite seedy and headachy. I feel this will be more difficult than last time.

I really would like to see 90kg or below by week 12 (4.5kg by 8 December ish, approx 17 days). To achieve this I will need to be right at the top of my current daily loss rate of between 100-300g per day. Hopefully the fast will give me an extra push in this direction to make it happen.

@shoe fasting is the way to go for sure!

 

[shoe]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

 

[Dreamer]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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Holy shit those pizzas would break me too,

 

[LevButlerov]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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Pizza in pics looks beautiful @shoe
the 62 hour fast went clean and dropping 500g net with the fat loss jump is good!

Breaking the fast with your wood fired pizza and a glass of wine is fine but not optimal. You need to break fast with a soup salad clean protein. If you eat pizza and wine post fast, you'll destroy your gut.

 

[stevesmi]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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@shoe good job on completing that fast. One of the things I can tell you though, is that it's a misconception that delicious food has to be unhealthy. I have a million different recipes on my blog where I post healthy food that is also good for you. I have pizza, chicken wings. Protein bars all kinds of things I have on there. It's all about how you prep it and all about the ingredients.

 

[2Thick]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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you made all that pizza? what kind of crust did you use? try cauliflower crust @shoe

 

[Ulter]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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The body weight continues to drop. I like the trajectory of that. @shoe Keep the amount of pizza you're eating at a minimum. Maybe eat it very slowly and maybe spit out some of it.

 

[ceo]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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Bros. I'm not gonna lie. Those pizzas do look really good. Plus I like the one that's shaped like a heart. That would be good for Valentine's Day. @shoe

 

[ROIDDERS]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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@shoe Your body weight keeps dropping and dropping. It's very impressive and I'll be honest, those pizzas look really good. I like the one on the top left.

 

[shoe]

@shoe good job on completing that fast. One of the things I can tell you though, is that it's a misconception that delicious food has to be unhealthy. I have a million different recipes on my blog where I post healthy food that is also good for you. I have pizza, chicken wings. Protein bars all kinds of things I have on there. It's all about how you prep it and all about the ingredients.

I agree that delicious food doesnt have to be unhealthy. I think for instance there is a big difference in driving over to Dominos and ordering filler and preservative filled junk, compared to making something yourself with fresh ingredients. For instance in my doughs I use an extremely high protein bread flour which is around 14% protein. I also add a portion of stoneground whole wheat which adds both germ and bran for added fibre and vitamins. I dont cook with refined sugars and use the highest quality oils I can.

Once you control the ingredients and process its only the calories that get you.

 

[Mobster]

62 hours is hardcore

 

[stevesmi]

I agree that delicious food doesnt have to be unhealthy. I think for instance there is a big difference in driving over to Dominos and ordering filler and preservative filled junk, compared to making something yourself with fresh ingredients. For instance in my doughs I use an extremely high protein bread flour which is around 14% protein. I also add a portion of stoneground whole wheat which adds both germ and bran for added fibre and vitamins. I dont cook with refined sugars and use the highest quality oils I can.

Once you control the ingredients and process its only the calories that get you.

Bingo

 

[shoe]

Woke up this morning to a surprising extra 1kg drop overnight, which was great to see on the scales.

Had a good gym session. Weights ever so slowly moving up. I haven't posted much in the way of routine, but as of my last session have decided to log in hevy, and I may as well share. I also added a 3km brisk walk in the evening.

 

[ballin2504]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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@shoe man those are some really good looking pizzas. Nice update

 

[shoe]

Shoulders and traps in the gym today with some incidental biceps/forearms. In the last 2-3 weeks I have really found myself feeling good at the gym, I can see size coming on in the mirror, even if it is only a small amount. I can see body leaning up and it is all very motivating.

I have an elbow that is full of screws and plates from a very bad break, I have started to notice this arm/side lagging in gym. This is something I have noticed since I broke it, and I am being mindful to not overly strain in the gym or put too much weight on too fast.

I cooked a bulk meal that I really enjoy today to last the next week or so. Hainan chicken rice, which I love for a couple of reasons. The dish is a whole chicken poached in a flavourful liquid which is then used to infuse the rest of the dish, and especially the rice. I love that it uses a whole chicken which adds a lot of nutritional benefits from the bones and fats and meat of the chicken which infuses the broth. The added vitamins and collagens from the broth infuses the rice and just makes everything more nutrient (and calorie) dense.

I trim the pockets of fat from the chicken and render out all the fats to add to the rice, as it adds exceptional flavour.

I like to poach some bok choi in the broth as well which adds a tonne of flavour. I make a couple of dipping sauces to go with it and some pickled vegies.

The rice itself is quite high in calories, because of the addition of the rendered chicken fat, but this is perfect for bulking, and when cutting like I am, I just keep the rice portion to a small size (half a cup cooked rice tonight, which I didnt quite get through). Obligatory pics attached and if anyone is interested in the recipe just let me know and I will post.

 

[RoySimpson]

Well finished up my fast about an hour ago, extended to around 62 hours, just to get lunch ready.

Was nice and easy and as straightforward as last time.

The net loss over the 60 hours was about 500g total mass and 1.2kg fat, I also logged an increase in muscle of around 500g. As these measurements are taken in a totally fasted state, there is a chance they fluctuate over the next days, we shall see.

There was a number of comments re drinking on cycle. I admit it is my vice, along with delicious food. Although throughout this log so far I have noted calories at about or below 1500 cals per day, I have continued to eat foods that I find delicious. I have made biriyani, tartiflette, chicken ala vodka, burritos, steak with duck fat roasted potatoes and much more that I am sure will leave people horrified.

Last fast I broke with a home made pate, hummus, fesh baked bread and whole smoked and brined chicken.

This fast I broke with home made pizza in my new wood fired pizza oven (and a glass of wine). Obligatory pic at bottom. Even though it is high calorie food, I only had three small pieces and later will add in a protein bar as well.

One of my biggest hobbies and methods of relaxation is cooking and life already has so many hard and frustrating things in it without removing flavour and taste and enjoyment as well.

If I was training to compete or for some other similar reason I would go chicken breast and rice and brocolli sure, but I am training to get fit and work to keep it sustainable by including it within a lifestyle which I enjoy, and which for me involves a scotch after work, a glass of wine with dinner and a beer out with mates once every few months.

Overall with 500g net weight loss and (potentially) nearly triple this in fat loss, I am satisfied with the results of this fast.

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@shoe fasting is the way to go bro!

 

[LevButlerov]

Shoulders and traps in the gym today with some incidental biceps/forearms. In the last 2-3 weeks I have really found myself feeling good at the gym, I can see size coming on in the mirror, even if it is only a small amount. I can see body leaning up and it is all very motivating.

I have an elbow that is full of screws and plates from a very bad break, I have started to notice this arm/side lagging in gym. This is something I have noticed since I broke it, and I am being mindful to not overly strain in the gym or put too much weight on too fast.

I cooked a bulk meal that I really enjoy today to last the next week or so. Hainan chicken rice, which I love for a couple of reasons. The dish is a whole chicken poached in a flavourful liquid which is then used to infuse the rest of the dish, and especially the rice. I love that it uses a whole chicken which adds a lot of nutritional benefits from the bones and fats and meat of the chicken which infuses the broth. The added vitamins and collagens from the broth infuses the rice and just makes everything more nutrient (and calorie) dense.

I trim the pockets of fat from the chicken and render out all the fats to add to the rice, as it adds exceptional flavour.

I like to poach some bok choi in the broth as well which adds a tonne of flavour. I make a couple of dipping sauces to go with it and some pickled vegies.

The rice itself is quite high in calories, because of the addition of the rendered chicken fat, but this is perfect for bulking, and when cutting like I am, I just keep the rice portion to a small size (half a cup cooked rice tonight, which I didnt quite get through). Obligatory pics attached and if anyone is interested in the recipe just let me know and I will post.


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Meal pics look tasty @shoe Hainan chicken rice looks amazing and the broth looks tasty too.
87kg raises and the extra biceps and forearms work landing clean!

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Shoulders and traps in the gym today with some incidental biceps/forearms. In the last 2-3 weeks I have really found myself feeling good at the gym, I can see size coming on in the mirror, even if it is only a small amount. I can see body leaning up and it is all very motivating.

I have an elbow that is full of screws and plates from a very bad break, I have started to notice this arm/side lagging in gym. This is something I have noticed since I broke it, and I am being mindful to not overly strain in the gym or put too much weight on too fast.

I cooked a bulk meal that I really enjoy today to last the next week or so. Hainan chicken rice, which I love for a couple of reasons. The dish is a whole chicken poached in a flavourful liquid which is then used to infuse the rest of the dish, and especially the rice. I love that it uses a whole chicken which adds a lot of nutritional benefits from the bones and fats and meat of the chicken which infuses the broth. The added vitamins and collagens from the broth infuses the rice and just makes everything more nutrient (and calorie) dense.

I trim the pockets of fat from the chicken and render out all the fats to add to the rice, as it adds exceptional flavour.

I like to poach some bok choi in the broth as well which adds a tonne of flavour. I make a couple of dipping sauces to go with it and some pickled vegies.

The rice itself is quite high in calories, because of the addition of the rendered chicken fat, but this is perfect for bulking, and when cutting like I am, I just keep the rice portion to a small size (half a cup cooked rice tonight, which I didnt quite get through). Obligatory pics attached and if anyone is interested in the recipe just let me know and I will post.


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@shoe Meals are amazing.....

 

[shoe]

@shoe Meals are amazing.....

Thanks bro!

Back in the gym today after a day off. Traps were still sore from Sunday, but pushed ahead with a slightly reduced back day.

One of the things I was thinking about during todays session is how I have never felt the 'burn' in the muscles as I train. This has been the same for as long as I have trained.

I aim for 8-12 reps to failure within a set, and as the end approaches my muscles seem to just stop being able to push further. There isnt any pain or burn or similar involved, as my mates say they get, it is just as if the muscle just has no more to give and no further pushing or pulling is going to change that.

This is consistent across all muscle groups. I feel like I am hitting the target muscle groups effectlively, for instance I did traps and shoulders Sunday, and my traps in particular are still sore now, delts to a lesser extent.

Is this a normal thing you guys experience?

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks bro!

Back in the gym today after a day off. Traps were still sore from Sunday, but pushed ahead with a slightly reduced back day.

One of the things I was thinking about during todays session is how I have never felt the 'burn' in the muscles as I train. This has been the same for as long as I have trained.

I aim for 8-12 reps to failure within a set, and as the end approaches my muscles seem to just stop being able to push further. There isnt any pain or burn or similar involved, as my mates say they get, it is just as if the muscle just has no more to give and no further pushing or pulling is going to change that.

This is consistent across all muscle groups. I feel like I am hitting the target muscle groups effectlively, for instance I did traps and shoulders Sunday, and my traps in particular are still sore now, delts to a lesser extent.

Is this a normal thing you guys experience?


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dont do shoulders to failure you can get an injury @shoe
are you doing actualc concentrations?

 

[shoe]

Woke up this morning to lowest weight this cycle at 91.9kg. I have a lot of hope of hitting my sub 90kg target by next weekend.

With the added aromasin dose, gyno continues to subside. I have never run a cycle where gyno hasnt quickly raised it's head. I should have run a higher dose from the beginning, although having changed from adex to aromasin I had no idea how my body would respond. My body must just pump out aromatase and try to convert any excess test it can. I am continuing the nolva to try and target the breast tissue but I hope that I will be able to drop this in a couple of weeks.

Chest day today. Felt good. I feel strength moving up each session. Starting to see shape in the mirror at the gym, which is very motivating.

I have increased protein levels as of this week, adding an extra 60g via caseine shakes. this is an extra 287 calories each day which will potentially slow overall weight loss, but I believe I was sitting at between 50-100g daily previously, and since it seems that muscle is coming on, simultaneous as fat decreases I want to support this as much as possible.

are you doing actualc concentrations?

As in concentration curls?

I have been trying to master flatbreads in the wood fired oven. Last night I fried some crispy chicken and did them three ways, Japanese with a sesame dressing and a coleslaw, a pepper and dill mayo with lettuce and a salsa and guacamole (which I split with my wife- the reta contained me to about 3 bites of each).

Tonight I did the flatbreads again, but as fajitas.

And some cooking with fire for those that enjoy

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[LevButlerov]

Woke up this morning to lowest weight this cycle at 91.9kg. I have a lot of hope of hitting my sub 90kg target by next weekend.

With the added aromasin dose, gyno continues to subside. I have never run a cycle where gyno hasnt quickly raised it's head. I should have run a higher dose from the beginning, although having changed from adex to aromasin I had no idea how my body would respond. My body must just pump out aromatase and try to convert any excess test it can. I am continuing the nolva to try and target the breast tissue but I hope that I will be able to drop this in a couple of weeks.

Chest day today. Felt good. I feel strength moving up each session. Starting to see shape in the mirror at the gym, which is very motivating.

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I have increased protein levels as of this week, adding an extra 60g via caseine shakes. this is an extra 287 calories each day which will potentially slow overall weight loss, but I believe I was sitting at between 50-100g daily previously, and since it seems that muscle is coming on, simultaneous as fat decreases I want to support this as much as possible.




As in concentration curls?

I have been trying to master flatbreads in the wood fired oven. Last night I fried some crispy chicken and did them three ways, Japanese with a sesame dressing and a coleslaw, a pepper and dill mayo with lettuce and a salsa and guacamole (which I split with my wife- the reta contained me to about 3 bites of each).

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Tonight I did the flatbreads again, but as fajitas.

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And some cooking with fire for those that enjoy

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meals look beautiful @shoe and happy to see aromasin is helping you
and yes concentration curls

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Dreamer]

Woke up this morning to lowest weight this cycle at 91.9kg. I have a lot of hope of hitting my sub 90kg target by next weekend.

With the added aromasin dose, gyno continues to subside. I have never run a cycle where gyno hasnt quickly raised it's head. I should have run a higher dose from the beginning, although having changed from adex to aromasin I had no idea how my body would respond. My body must just pump out aromatase and try to convert any excess test it can. I am continuing the nolva to try and target the breast tissue but I hope that I will be able to drop this in a couple of weeks.

Chest day today. Felt good. I feel strength moving up each session. Starting to see shape in the mirror at the gym, which is very motivating.

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I have increased protein levels as of this week, adding an extra 60g via caseine shakes. this is an extra 287 calories each day which will potentially slow overall weight loss, but I believe I was sitting at between 50-100g daily previously, and since it seems that muscle is coming on, simultaneous as fat decreases I want to support this as much as possible.




As in concentration curls?

I have been trying to master flatbreads in the wood fired oven. Last night I fried some crispy chicken and did them three ways, Japanese with a sesame dressing and a coleslaw, a pepper and dill mayo with lettuce and a salsa and guacamole (which I split with my wife- the reta contained me to about 3 bites of each).

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Tonight I did the flatbreads again, but as fajitas.

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And some cooking with fire for those that enjoy

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Food looking great there, nice session too.

Do you find the aromasin smoother than arimidex? I have had big issues with adex myself

 

[shoe]

meals look beautiful @shoe and happy to see aromasin is helping you
and yes concentration curls

I haven't done any concentrations at all, I've let bis (and tris) mainly get hit on back (and chest) days, finishing bis off with reverse curls, ez bar curls and occasionally cable curls. Tris have all been pushdowns.

 

[shoe]

Food looking great there, nice session too.

Do you find the aromasin smoother than arimidex? I have had big issues with adex myself

Honestly can't tell a difference, I have a high tolerance for most drugs and don't suffer sides from any of them enough to be able to tell a meaningful difference.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Honestly can't tell a difference, I have a high tolerance for most drugs and don't suffer sides from any of them enough to be able to tell a meaningful difference.

I’m the same. High tolerance and usually no sides. Hence bloodwork being important for guys like us.

Great weight loss progress here. Aromasin is the best AI imo and glad you have that on board with the issues you mentioned.

 

[LevButlerov]

I haven't done any concentrations at all, I've let bis (and tris) mainly get hit on back (and chest) days, finishing bis off with reverse curls, ez bar curls and occasionally cable curls. Tris have all been pushdowns.

try to do some concentration ones, where you squeeze hard @shoe

 

[waggat]

Woke up this morning to lowest weight this cycle at 91.9kg. I have a lot of hope of hitting my sub 90kg target by next weekend.

With the added aromasin dose, gyno continues to subside. I have never run a cycle where gyno hasnt quickly raised it's head. I should have run a higher dose from the beginning, although having changed from adex to aromasin I had no idea how my body would respond. My body must just pump out aromatase and try to convert any excess test it can. I am continuing the nolva to try and target the breast tissue but I hope that I will be able to drop this in a couple of weeks.

Chest day today. Felt good. I feel strength moving up each session. Starting to see shape in the mirror at the gym, which is very motivating.

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I have increased protein levels as of this week, adding an extra 60g via caseine shakes. this is an extra 287 calories each day which will potentially slow overall weight loss, but I believe I was sitting at between 50-100g daily previously, and since it seems that muscle is coming on, simultaneous as fat decreases I want to support this as much as possible.




As in concentration curls?

I have been trying to master flatbreads in the wood fired oven. Last night I fried some crispy chicken and did them three ways, Japanese with a sesame dressing and a coleslaw, a pepper and dill mayo with lettuce and a salsa and guacamole (which I split with my wife- the reta contained me to about 3 bites of each).

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Tonight I did the flatbreads again, but as fajitas.

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And some cooking with fire for those that enjoy

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Nice looking workout and food there mate!

 

[shoe]

Couple of days of little to no weight loss, which is never really a great feeling. I think there is some water weight on after a couple of larger gym sessions, and so I hope after tomorrow when I have a few days off gym this will subside. Fat and muscle measurements have been bouncing up and down and all over the place in the last few days.

This weight gain over the last 2 days means it is unlikely I will meet my target of less than 90kg by next Saturday, so I am very likely to include another extended 60 or 72 hour fast this week to help push things along.

Went in and did some traps and biceps yesterday, and some shoulders today. I am able to increase weights and or reps each bodypart session I attend, and I am happy to see some sort of semblance of strength returning. I am particularly pleased about my dumbbell shoulder presses today, I struggled to push 20kg last week but was able to get 2 sets of 10 and 7 reps out at 22.5kg today. This is not an impressive number I know, but when I started this cycle I was (embarrassingly) struggling to push 12.5kg per hand.

My dodgy elbow started to give me a little grief after the second set, so I jumped over to the Smith machine and was able to push 51.3kg. I am hopeful that these numbers will become more respectable over the next month.

I also broke my daily intermittent fast schedule for the first time today, I made the Mrs a bagel for breakfast and thought I deserved a treat after nearly 12 weeks of determined fasting until 4pm every day.

Friday

Today

Obligatory intermittent fast breaking bagel

 

[LevButlerov]

Couple of days of little to no weight loss, which is never really a great feeling. I think there is some water weight on after a couple of larger gym sessions, and so I hope after tomorrow when I have a few days off gym this will subside. Fat and muscle measurements have been bouncing up and down and all over the place in the last few days.

This weight gain over the last 2 days means it is unlikely I will meet my target of less than 90kg by next Saturday, so I am very likely to include another extended 60 or 72 hour fast this week to help push things along.

Went in and did some traps and biceps yesterday, and some shoulders today. I am able to increase weights and or reps each bodypart session I attend, and I am happy to see some sort of semblance of strength returning. I am particularly pleased about my dumbbell shoulder presses today, I struggled to push 20kg last week but was able to get 2 sets of 10 and 7 reps out at 22.5kg today. This is not an impressive number I know, but when I started this cycle I was (embarrassingly) struggling to push 12.5kg per hand.

My dodgy elbow started to give me a little grief after the second set, so I jumped over to the Smith machine and was able to push 51.3kg. I am hopeful that these numbers will become more respectable over the next month.

I also broke my daily intermittent fast schedule for the first time today, I made the Mrs a bagel for breakfast and thought I deserved a treat after nearly 12 weeks of determined fasting until 4pm every day.

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That meal pic looks tasty @shoe
Your shoulder work is moving up clean, 22kg presses and the 51kg smith push,
strength is coming back fast it seems

 

[shoe]

Running quickly up to week 12, and am not sitting quite where I want to be. I gained weight three days in a row, before dropping 700g today after a couple of days out of the gym. I lowered calories drastically to around 1000 cals on Sunday and still woke up to a hefty weight gain. I think the additional water is all inflammation from several big days at gym.

Today I sit at 93.1. This is 1.2kg higher than my cycle low of 91.9kg on the 27th.

I am still hopeful that this extra water weight will come off and I will hit a sub-90kg weight by Saturday, but it is a big ask.

To help things along tonight I begin the third of my extended fasts. It will be at minimum another 60 hours, but I am leaning towards extending it to 72 hours, I will make a call at hour 60 based upon how I feel.

I dont typically train in an extended fast so took the opportunity today to jump into a back day;

Meal tonight is a combination prawn and chicken laksa

 

[LevButlerov]

Running quickly up to week 12, and am not sitting quite where I want to be. I gained weight three days in a row, before dropping 700g today after a couple of days out of the gym. I lowered calories drastically to around 1000 cals on Sunday and still woke up to a hefty weight gain. I think the additional water is all inflammation from several big days at gym.

Today I sit at 93.1. This is 1.2kg higher than my cycle low of 91.9kg on the 27th.

I am still hopeful that this extra water weight will come off and I will hit a sub-90kg weight by Saturday, but it is a big ask.

To help things along tonight I begin the third of my extended fasts. It will be at minimum another 60 hours, but I am leaning towards extending it to 72 hours, I will make a call at hour 60 based upon how I feel.

I dont typically train in an extended fast so took the opportunity today to jump into a back day;

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Meal tonight is a combination prawn and chicken laksa

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93 is a good weight, are you able to get fasting to 72 hours? @shoe
and I love those meals like super pro Thai food right?

 

[shoe]

@LevButlerov I have never actually tried for a 72 hour fast, but I have never had a problem with 60hr. Once I have made up my mind that it is happening it just becomes a thing that is.

The main thought comes down to the logistics. If I begin my fast in about 30-60mins, after my nightly shake, a 60 hour fast ends Friday morning at 830 or 9am which gives me time for a refeed and then a gym sess later in the afternoon.

If I run the full 72hr it takes me to 830-9pm on the Fri night which is later than I usually like to eat and it means I will be off gym Wed through Fri, which honestly might not be a terrible thing because it will hopefully reset any inflammation.

I also kind of want a good chest and shoulder day before I take the 12w progress pic on Sat, but we cant have it all.

This dish is Malay, but very similar to a lot of Thai dishes, they share so many ingredients. I would say the equivalent Thai dish would be spicier and perhaps a little more sour, with maybe a bit of fruit like lychee, where this is more focused on the rich prawn/coconut/chicken broth.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov I have never actually tried for a 72 hour fast, but I have never had a problem with 60hr. Once I have made up my mind that it is happening it just becomes a thing that is.

The main thought comes down to the logistics. If I begin my fast in about 30-60mins, after my nightly shake, a 60 hour fast ends Friday morning at 830 or 9am which gives me time for a refeed and then a gym sess later in the afternoon.

If I run the full 72hr it takes me to 830-9pm on the Fri night which is later than I usually like to eat and it means I will be off gym Wed through Fri, which honestly might not be a terrible thing because it will hopefully reset any inflammation.

I also kind of want a good chest and shoulder day before I take the 12w progress pic on Sat, but we cant have it all.

This dish is Malay, but very similar to a lot of Thai dishes, they share so many ingredients. I would say the equivalent Thai dish would be spicier and perhaps a little more sour, with maybe a bit of fruit like lychee, where this is more focused on the rich prawn/coconut/chicken broth.

I think in your situation at least 72hours every 3 months, possible? @shoe

 

[shoe]

I think in your situation at least 72hours every 3 months, possible? @shoe

Ok. Locked in. I'm excited.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok. Locked in. I'm excited.

lets do it

 

[shoe]

Well 12 weeks has arrived, along with the end of my 72hr fast last night.

Overall I am a little underwhelmed with the fast results, which dropped me to 92.0, which was above my lowest weight of 91.9kg this cycle. The total loss for the fast was around 1.1kg. To be honest I expected a much more pronounced result. On the other hand, the fast was easy, no issues hitting 72 hours.

Similarly I feel underwhelmed after having reached the 12 week milestone today. Numbers on paper are fine, with continued fat loss and muscle growth, but (to my eyes) the difference between week 8 and 12 are underwhelming.

Weighing in this morning after a refeed last night at 93.2, this is only a 3kg total drop since week 8. At the lowest weight of 91.9 this would have been a total drop of 4.3kg.

I have however put on strength and some muscle in this time, and have significantly increased my protein intake, whilst staying within a similar caloric range of around 1500cals per day.

I only take progress shots every 4 weeks so today is the first time I have viewed them, and I am just not as happy with the results as I would like.

Here are the pics and the stats and you can give me your thoughts....

And something that makes me feel a little better, broke fast last night with woodfired sourdough and a variety of toppings, split with wife

 

[R.AP]

This may not be your usual log. I havent posted a log before, or even had much of an interest in reading them.. That is until I learnt about this Retatrutide and wanted to find some info and results on people running with tren.

I have an order en route as we speak, hopefully will arrive early in the week. Cycle is as following (per week) for 14-16weeks;
* 600mg tren e
* 500mg test e
* 2mg reta

I will be pinning twice per week, I like Mon and Fri, but since gear will arrive mid week I will work it out when it comes. I like to stick to consistent days rather than every 3 or 4 days so I dont forget and mix up the days.

History

40 years old. I have run a cycle almost every year for more than a decade.

There was a period back at the beginning when it was all about the size and the numbers and seeing the scales go up. Back in my mid twenties at a comfortable 80ish kgs we would train and aim for 100 lean. And made it too. Lifts were never that heavy, I fucked up my arm in my 20s and my left elbow is full of screws and plates. Despite this looked pretty good, had good size and not going to lie, it felt pretty good watching the crowd part as we walked through.

No longer have the urge to be creating waves in crowds or getting looks. I just like to look fit and feel strong.

People here are going to hate it, but I have run entire cycles barely training. Tren and test together is so powerful that you can go from fat to looking like you bench 100kg without stepping through the door.

I get minor sides from tren, mainly trensomnia and cooking in bed at night feeling like a million degrees. Last few cycles has been relatively side free. I typically run 600mg tren and 500-600mg test each time.

My results in the past with very little training have been impressive. Approaching about 8 weeks, people start to say looking thin, and they will comment every time they see me at week 12. I do add intermittent fasting and will typically fast every day until around 4pm.

And again, people are going to hate me for not being committed etc but I do not change my diet at all during these cycles. I am talking far too much alcohol daily, plenty of carbs and delicious foods, not counting or caring for macros at all. Huge portion sizes, the literal works.

I ended my last cycle around Jan this year. Between then and now, despite looking pretty good (in comparison) ending up around 86kg (down from 104) I have put it all back on and look like a general middle aged guy again.

It is about now though when I am back to about 100kg (havent weighed in for starting weight yet) that I look in the mirror and just feel yuck and so it all starts again.

So lets consider this a log for the average middle aged chump.

The plan this time

Having said all that things are going to be a little different this time. I have some more defined goals and they are aggressive. I am aiming for sub 80kg. 75kg would be perfect. This is an approximate 25% reduction in bodyweight in a 16 week time frame.

Tren is powerful but even that is beyond its scope. Enter Retatrutide. I had never heard of this before but it looks like it will help bridge this gap.

I am also going to be training from week one this cycle. I still am not looking lift big numbers. I will go in with the goal of focusing on core large exercises, deads, squats, pull ups, push ups, rows, bench, fly, curls, pushdowns. I havent decided whether to run a 3, 4 or 5 day split. I used to a 5 day body part split, but I dont know that I have time to fit this in. I will probably focus on reps and sets over weight.

I will be daily intermittent fasting and I will incorporate at least 2, 60 hour fasts.

I will also be adding melanotan in to the whole mix, pinned at the same time as the reta. I usually do about 1ug per week.

On cycle support

I have a propensity towards gyno, not sure if it is because I am fat, or if in the past I didnt stay on top of my AI as I should and developed a baseline gyno that just gets aggravated with new cycles. I typically run adex at around 1mg twice a week (2mg total). Seems like a lot, probably is, but the gyno is sticky. I also add some caber in for the tren in case it was a prolactin issue. Never seems to help.

This time I will be using aromasin instead I hope that being a suicidal inhibitor it will be more effective, I will stick with usual .25mg twice per week and see how we go. I have caber as well, since I seem to tolerate it I will add it in prophylactically.

PCT will be nolva and clomid

One final note

For those that are reading this and looking at the glorification of tren, understand this. I have used tren at least 7 or 8 cycles and know I tolerate it well.

When I first started cycling 15 ish years back, when I actually was considered a gym junky there was zero tren in any initial cycles. I started test only cycles at 500mg a week. After that added in EQ. It was only after 3-4 years worth of cycling that I added my first tren in. It was Tren A and it was pinned eod at a low dose.

And let me tell you, my training partner then could NOT handle it at all. He had all sorts of issues and did not make it to week 5 even at low dose.

I have seen idiots on tren at the gym lose their minds and throw weights, yell and just be general dickheads because they are running tren at doses they cannot tolerate. I have seen gym buddies break up with their wives and start fights with their mates and just go into dark mental holes.

Despite me running a high tren dose, I am in a blessedly lucky group that experiences very little sides apart from some sleeplessness and running hot at night and heartburn. I experience no mental sides at all, and I think this might be partially related to me having aphantasia.

I do not recommend anyone run tren without having someone with you , and who knows you because it is difficult to self-monitor behavioural changes when you are under the influence of a drug like tren.

Hey brother - just stumbled on your log here now. Have you since changed your protocol or are you still running Tren: Test 600:500?

 

[shoe]

Hey brother - just stumbled on your log here now. Have you since changed your protocol or are you still running Tren: Test 600:500?

Yes plus the reta at 3mg

 

[R.AP]

Yes plus the reta at 3mg

Awesome. Man, coming from a background of having programmed and coached people through their pharma + bloodwork for a long time now (both gen pop and competitors), it's hard to understate the amount of room their is for optimization here for both your health and your progress.

I'm not sure how you arrived at this cycle design, but you did mention you were pretty underwhelmed with the results and it's not so surprising. It would have been possible to achieve world class results compared to this, with a fraction of the anabolic and progestogenic burden, and I can guarantee you could have felt a million dollars better.

If you'd like to run another cycle in the future please invest the time and money in a coach.

We all want the best for you here.

@LevButlerov

 

[shoe]

We all want the best for you here.

Thanks bro, my own theory is that I have shifted my goals from what I planned at the outset, which was to shred down into the 70s, without much thought or care about muscle development or strength.

As I got back into the gym though and realised how weak I have become, and the tren pushing me, I started to focus on trying to move heavier weights and increasing gym sessions and increasing protein.

I think this has changed this cycle more into something resembling a recomp than a pure fat loss exercise. In terms of efficiency I suspect it is better to commit to either fat loss or eat in a surplus and go for the strength and not try to straddle the fence.

 

[R.AP]

Thanks bro, my own theory is that I have shifted my goals from what I planned at the outset, which was to shred down into the 70s, without much thought or care about muscle development or strength.

As I got back into the gym though and realised how weak I have become, and the tren pushing me, I started to focus on trying to move heavier weights and increasing gym sessions and increasing protein.

I think this has changed this cycle more into something resembling a recomp than a pure fat loss exercise. In terms of efficiency I suspect it is better to commit to either fat loss or eat in a surplus and go for the strength and not try to straddle the fence.

This is the way in most areas of life brother. Saddling the fence is like coasting along without direction and hoping we end up somewhere you know! Gotta pick a direction/ goal/ objective and power towards it with every ounce of our being!

If you'd like some help in the future making sure your cycles are the most conducive to your health and goals please reach out!

I strongly urge you to get some bloods done here brother. Please check:

Sex hormones including progesterone (especially progesterone)
Liver enzymes
Kidney markers
** LIPIDS ** will be a big one here
Prostate
Inflammatory markers/ HSCRP

@LevButlerov

 

[shoe]

This is the way in most areas of life brother. Saddling the fence is like coasting along without direction and hoping we end up somewhere you know! Gotta pick a direction/ goal/ objective and power towards it with every ounce of our being!

If you'd like some help in the future making sure your cycles are the most conducive to your health and goals please reach out!

I strongly urge you to get some bloods done here brother. Please check:

Sex hormones including progesterone (especially progesterone)
Liver enzymes
Kidney markers
** LIPIDS ** will be a big one here
Prostate
Inflammatory markers/ HSCRP

@LevButlerov

It has been a few years, Ill lock some bloods in the next fortnight.

 

[LevButlerov]

It has been a few years, Ill lock some bloods in the next fortnight.

You should consider brining @R.AP to your team @shoe he's a legit coach

 

[LevButlerov]

Well 12 weeks has arrived, along with the end of my 72hr fast last night.

Overall I am a little underwhelmed with the fast results, which dropped me to 92.0, which was above my lowest weight of 91.9kg this cycle. The total loss for the fast was around 1.1kg. To be honest I expected a much more pronounced result. On the other hand, the fast was easy, no issues hitting 72 hours.

Similarly I feel underwhelmed after having reached the 12 week milestone today. Numbers on paper are fine, with continued fat loss and muscle growth, but (to my eyes) the difference between week 8 and 12 are underwhelming.

Weighing in this morning after a refeed last night at 93.2, this is only a 3kg total drop since week 8. At the lowest weight of 91.9 this would have been a total drop of 4.3kg.

I have however put on strength and some muscle in this time, and have significantly increased my protein intake, whilst staying within a similar caloric range of around 1500cals per day.

I only take progress shots every 4 weeks so today is the first time I have viewed them, and I am just not as happy with the results as I would like.

Here are the pics and the stats and you can give me your thoughts....

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And something that makes me feel a little better, broke fast last night with woodfired sourdough and a variety of toppings, split with wife

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anyone who objectively looks at this will tell you, you have made amazing progress @shoe from sept to now much leaner and bigger
more muscle, less fat, perfect recomp
and an average 72 hour fast is clean 2-3 lbs loss of fat not more usually rest if just water in the end

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman

 

[Dreamer]

Well 12 weeks has arrived, along with the end of my 72hr fast last night.

Overall I am a little underwhelmed with the fast results, which dropped me to 92.0, which was above my lowest weight of 91.9kg this cycle. The total loss for the fast was around 1.1kg. To be honest I expected a much more pronounced result. On the other hand, the fast was easy, no issues hitting 72 hours.

Similarly I feel underwhelmed after having reached the 12 week milestone today. Numbers on paper are fine, with continued fat loss and muscle growth, but (to my eyes) the difference between week 8 and 12 are underwhelming.

Weighing in this morning after a refeed last night at 93.2, this is only a 3kg total drop since week 8. At the lowest weight of 91.9 this would have been a total drop of 4.3kg.

I have however put on strength and some muscle in this time, and have significantly increased my protein intake, whilst staying within a similar caloric range of around 1500cals per day.

I only take progress shots every 4 weeks so today is the first time I have viewed them, and I am just not as happy with the results as I would like.

Here are the pics and the stats and you can give me your thoughts....

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And something that makes me feel a little better, broke fast last night with woodfired sourdough and a variety of toppings, split with wife

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Crazy looking food!

 

[shoe]

Thanks fellas, it has also become evident to me that 16w wont be sufficient to achieve my goals, and I put in an additional order with @UGL OZ which should arrive within a day or two to extend cycle from 16w to 20w.

I always run the test 2-3w longer than the tren, so I imagine the tren will run out about week 16/17 and the test will continue through to around week 20.

One other thing I've noticed, within the last 2-3 weeks at the gym, and getting in and out of the shower I've seen myself and thought to myself, fuck looking big and lean.

And so it was quite a shock to see side by side photos where the difference didn't seem so pronounced.

I was in a meeting with boss the other day and she commented I was looking skinny af and needed to slow down, and I keep having to hike up pants because becoming loose.

Idk maybe I'm reaching for validation, but based upon body measurement numbers, since the last photos I've shred between 3-4kg of fat and put on between 1-2kg muscle simultaneously. In a month this is a fairly pleasing result.

I just had this impression in my mind based upon what I was seeing in the gym mirror and the bathroom mirror that there was going to be an incredible difference and was disappointed when the photos didn't reflect the same extent- although I feel like they're is a decent difference in arms and shoulders.

@LevButlerov is right though that compared to the first day 1 pic its not even close, and is night and day.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks fellas, it has also become evident to me that 16w wont be sufficient to achieve my goals, and I put in an additional order with @UGL OZ which should arrive within a day or two to extend cycle from 16w to 20w.

I always run the test 2-3w longer than the tren, so I imagine the tren will run out about week 16/17 and the test will continue through to around week 20.

One other thing I've noticed, within the last 2-3 weeks at the gym, and getting in and out of the shower I've seen myself and thought to myself, fuck looking big and lean.

And so it was quite a shock to see side by side photos where the difference didn't seem so pronounced.

I was in a meeting with boss the other day and she commented I was looking skinny af and needed to slow down, and I keep having to hike up pants because becoming loose.

Idk maybe I'm reaching for validation, but based upon body measurement numbers, since the last photos I've shred between 3-4kg of fat and put on between 1-2kg muscle simultaneously. In a month this is a fairly pleasing result.

I just had this impression in my mind based upon what I was seeing in the gym mirror and the bathroom mirror that there was going to be an incredible difference and was disappointed when the photos didn't reflect the same extent- although I feel like they're is a decent difference in arms and shoulders.

@LevButlerov is right though that compared to the first day 1 pic its not even close, and is night and day.

You are getting to your goals day by day, and we are hard to judge ourselves, when you look in the mirror you not objective, but we can see in your pics huge improvements this is why EVO family and logging is crucial to results you can get an objective eye @shoe

 

[Allupfromhere]

This is the way in most areas of life brother. Saddling the fence is like coasting along without direction and hoping we end up somewhere you know! Gotta pick a direction/ goal/ objective and power towards it with every ounce of our being!

I myself done this for too long this year and although made plenty of progress i could be leaps and bounds further if i had of brought a coach in earlier. Making more progress is the last 6 weeks then i have in the last 16. Due to just having programmed direction.

Idk maybe I'm reaching for validation, but based upon body measurement numbers, since the last photos I've shred between 3-4kg of fat and put on between 1-2kg muscle simultaneously. In a month this is a fairly pleasing result.

I just had this impression in my mind based upon what I was seeing in the gym mirror and the bathroom mirror that there was going to be an incredible difference and was disappointed when the photos didn't reflect the same extent- although I feel like they're is a decent difference in arms and shoulders.

It is hard when we are emotionally attached to what we are looking at brother. For one you have definitely made change wether you see all of it or not but this is where having a coach is most beneficial. They can make accurate calculated decisions on what need to happen at the time not based on how quick we feel we need to see change.

@R.AP is a freak of a coach and he is a competitor himself so he truly understands emotions throgh each process and has the experience and knowledge to navigate it.

 

[R.AP]

I myself done this for too long this year and although made plenty of progress i could be leaps and bounds further if i had of brought a coach in earlier. Making more progress is the last 6 weeks then i have in the last 16. Due to just having programmed direction.

It is hard when we are emotionally attached to what we are looking at brother. For one you have definitely made change wether you see all of it or not but this is where having a coach is most beneficial. They can make accurate calculated decisions on what need to happen at the time not based on how quick we feel we need to see change.

@R.AP is a freak of a coach and he is a competitor himself so he truly understands emotions throgh each process and has the experience and knowledge to navigate it.

Sir it's true. In bodybuilding or any other physique related goal the psychological component is HUGE.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Sir it's true. In bodybuilding or any other physique related goal the psychological component is HUGE.

 

[shoe]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

 

[Napa1020]

I forgot to add, hcg on cycle twice per week from w4.

Just stood on the scales things are far more dire than I realised. 104.5kg. This means i must have put on about 6 kg in the last month.

Here is the starting point.

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I wouldn't touch tren or anything until you get on a good diet routine. Relying on reta and tren will be a horrible idea if you can't do it yourself first

 

[shoe]

I wouldn't touch tren or anything until you get on a good diet routine. Relying on reta and tren will be a horrible idea if you can't do it yourself first

Bit of an assumption there mate. I can do it myself no worries.

I can also walk to work every day by myself too, but sometimes it's quicker to drive

 

[Napa1020]

Bit of an assumption there mate. I can do it myself no worries.

I can also walk to work every day by myself too, but sometimes it's quicker to drive

I meant no ill will by that but for the absolute best feeling and results on top of way less sides, it's a good idea. I would take tren out of the equation and let reta do it's magic

 

[LevButlerov]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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You're making progress thats the key, better is relative imo @shoe

 

[LevButlerov]

I meant no ill will by that but for the absolute best feeling and results on top of way less sides, it's a good idea. I would take tren out of the equation and let reta do it's magic

good to see you posting @Napa1020 can you update your log?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...rutide-para-pharma-cycle-with-ugfreak.107592/

 

[stevesmi]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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@shoe that looks like a meal you would get at a 5 star restaurant for like $80. that looks good man. i'm glad you are prepping

 

[Mobster]

You're making progress thats the key, better is relative imo @shoe

This. Numbers are clear. Feelings not so much

 

[LevButlerov]

This. Numbers are clear. Feelings not so much

true

 

[ROIDDERS]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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Looks like your body fat is dropping like a rock. Keep up the good work. We want to see you trim up big time. I predict within the next 4 or 5 months you'll be absolutely lean. @shoe

 

[ceo]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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bros Your weight is dropping like a rock. @shoe You down 10 kg. That's great accomplishment so far. You killing it. Keep it up.

 

[Ulter]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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@shoe the food looks terrific man. that is a hearty meal. your body fat is dropping off fast that is great to see

 

[2Thick]

Bit of an assumption there mate. I can do it myself no worries.

I can also walk to work every day by myself too, but sometimes it's quicker to drive

i agree with you here. you are losing body fat, losing weight. and also gaining muscle. so its working @shoe

 

[RoySimpson]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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@shoe That plate looks straight out of a 5star restaurant!!

 

[ballin2504]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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@shoe great work big guy. You’re really putting in the work

 

[shoe]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

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And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

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i like your fish version more tasty looking @shoe

with the tren you dont need more than 50mgs eod if you ask me
the high dose tren is doing nothing but damage without the extra results imo


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[Dreamer]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

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And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

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Looks absolutely delicious mate, amazing work.

Have read and seen plenty of people saying 10mg daily tren works wonders

 

[Noah Wixx]

After the 12w mark I have been going back and forth feeling like I hadnt achieved enough in the 4 weeks prior.

It is hard when you see lifts increase and feel yourself lookign better in the mirror, to take a side by side shot over a 4 week period and see almost nothing in the camera. I had also found myself fixating on morning scale numbers and measurements and not seeing them fall as quickly as they had been at the start of my cycle and feeling generally poorly about them.

Since then I have taken a few days off the scales and have stepped back to have a think and try to assess where I am sitting at objectively.

So in 13 weeks;

• Total weight loss: 12.5kg
• Total fat loss: 13.4kg
• Total muscle gain: 3.2kg

I felt as if these numbers should have been better, but I am trying to reasonably consider what 'better' numbers would have actually looked like.

Should I have expected more than 1kg per week fat loss while putting on muscle, and should I expect more than 1kg muscle gain per month while running quite a significant deficit?

I think these are reasonable results within the time period, and considering my starting position feel that most people would be pleased at these results. I think that more than likely my starting low muscle mass, and high fat mass were just not quite improved enough to see respectable 4 week differences.

Even considering this, I have made a few changes. I have reduced my intermittent fasting schedule, not making it a big deal, and having some carbs and protein prior to when I can gym to have a more powerful session. I have added an additional 30g protein after gym, and an additional 60g caseine before bed to help support growth and strength, even if this comes at the cost of maximum fat loss.

I am not weighing an measuring body percents daily, and will leave it to every 3-4 days so that I dont fixate on daily averages, and for the same reason will report body compositions on a 12m curve rather than a mothly curve to show a smoothed average.

I want it all and I want it now, but even on these compounds it is not everything everywhere all at once.

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Dinner tonight was a pork fillet with a port wine and tarragon reduction

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Biggest problem is fixation on weight and a scale it will set you back mentally

 

[HarleyGuy]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

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And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

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That dish looks insanely fancy well done.

Your gear doses are still high but I remember you saying you're not one to get sides. Have you kept the aromasin on board though still? I didn't see a mention of that in your breakdown of running test longer than tren with doses etc., for your last few weeks.

 

[shoe]

That dish looks insanely fancy well done.

Your gear doses are still high but I remember you saying you're not one to get sides. Have you kept the aromasin on board though still? I didn't see a mention of that in your breakdown of running test longer than tren with doses etc., for your last few weeks.

Aromasin still on board eod, nolva continuing. Lump still present but receding. And I should have said no sides except for gyno on that one right hand side... I'm not sure why, but every cycle I have ever run I have fought it.

Will run the aromasin for 2 weeks after last jab.

Also turns out the cold my son brought home was covid, so it looks like it'll be a few days more out of gym. Rhomboid pain almost totally gone though which is nice.

 

[waggat]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

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And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

View attachment 154992

Meal looks awesome mate!

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Thanks for the comments fellas, couple of changes made as of yesterday. With only a single vial tren left, and extending cycle out to 20 weeks, I have dropped the dose down to 400mg tren and 500mg test. I actually have a bit more test than I need, and I like to run it for 2-3 weeks longer than the tren, so I might bump the test to 600mg, I havent decided.

I am also adjusting the reta dose up from 3mg to 4mg, as I seem to have adapted to it at this dose. Previously I would be feeling full and finished after a small amount of food, but in the last fortnight this has stopped. I have been locked in the 92-93kg range now for a week, much of which I am associating with heaps of extra protein and muscle growth, but I still want to see the scales moving down.

I managed to pick up my first injury on Friday as well, and have some nagging rhomboid pain since then. I have been stretching it out daily and it is much better now than Friday evening, but I have had Sat and Sun off out of the gym, and will likely rest Monday too. To add to the fun son brought home a cold from school which the whole household succumbed to yesterday.

As of the last week I have also noticed that I have some hair thinning, and dropping some hair in the mornings, so just got off an online script doc and got some finasteride prescribed which I am about to go pick up.

As far as the cooking goes, long time hobby but this year I have really wanted to work on presentation, and so it really looks more impressive than it is. For instance yesterday I chose a protein (barramundi) and then searched until I found a presentation I liked, and copied it.... For instance the muse:

View attachment 154991
And my version, which was essentially identical, except instead of a butter I added a prawn and saffron veloute

View attachment 154992

@shoe meal is fantastic man....did a great job looks exactly same.....

 

[HarleyGuy]

Aromasin still on board eod, nolva continuing. Lump still present but receding. And I should have said no sides except for gyno on that one right hand side... I'm not sure why, but every cycle I have ever run I have fought it.

Will run the aromasin for 2 weeks after last jab.

Also turns out the cold my son brought home was covid, so it looks like it'll be a few days more out of gym. Rhomboid pain almost totally gone though which is nice.

You can titrate aromasin end of cycle. Bloods would be best around that time too after a couple half lives have passed.

Did you make plans for the Tamox/Nolva post cycle for the lump?

 

[shoe]

You can titrate aromasin end of cycle. Bloods would be best around that time too after a couple half lives have passed.

Did you make plans for the Tamox/Nolva post cycle for the lump?

Yea good plan. I'll start to titrate down after last shot.Combo clomid/nolva on board for post cycle, and if history repeats should quickly subside