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Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
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Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
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I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

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I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
 
Hey brother, great post...it seems that you know what works for you..."I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week"

Happens to the best of us, we get on a decent path health wise, then we step off the path, and struggle to get back on.

You know what to do, everything else is speculation ;)
Hey thanks man and yeah I got my head around the basics for sure.

Yeah sometimes life kicks us in the ass and true you're 100% correct.
 
Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
View attachment 208644View attachment 208645

Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
View attachment 208666View attachment 208676

I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

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View attachment 208699

I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
welcome to the EVO family :D @SemiFunctionalHuman thank you for sharing :D
Your total T at 22.7 and free T at 356 is not a TRT case if you want to be very specific.
you’re 230lbs around 25% body fat and that alone will crush drive and gym consistency, so jumping straight to 250mg test e is just masking the real issue, which we need to discuss, diet trianing etc

Start a 2 week pre TRT log first with ed bodyweight, calories and macros, steps, sleep, and your main lifts so the EVO family can dial your recomp and get you training again before you pin anything. 15min to start it up :D

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Training Nutrition Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z
 
Is it possible to get back in the gym and meal prep before adding in peds? No need.to go hardening the.gym, just get the body used to working again?
Yeah I just lift at home just have a bench with flat, incline and decline. It works as a squat rack also. I have dumbbells from 5lbs-75lbs and plates from 5lbs to 45lbs, 2 sets of 45s and fractional plates. 2" Olympic normal bar, e-z curl bar and tricep bar.

I've just been doing some shoulders, bis and tris while standing at my desk working. Just using 15-35lbs 8-15 reps then pumping out 30-40 reps for a few sets with just the e-z curl bar/tricep bars doing curls, hammer curls, over head tricep extensions. Just kinda getting get some blood flowing and muscle memory kicking in.

I'm not dead set on like I need to add peds right away. I just feel like it might help with the motivation/depression/libido side of stuff this was my first time testing my hormones and I've never done any type of anabolics so I don't really know how they effect your body from experience just from research and everything i've been reading says free test effects moods/energy the most and around my levels a lot of males have symptoms of similar stuff I'm having. So it's more of an experiment to see maybe if it could help solve some real life issues and then using it for gains it's just kinda a bonus by-product. That's kinda how I'm looking at it now?

welcome to the EVO family :D @SemiFunctionalHuman thank you for sharing :D
Your total T at 22.7 and free T at 356 is not a TRT case if you want to be very specific.
you’re 230lbs around 25% body fat and that alone will crush drive and gym consistency, so jumping straight to 250mg test e is just masking the real issue, which we need to discuss, diet trianing etc

Start a 2 week pre TRT log first with ed bodyweight, calories and macros, steps, sleep, and your main lifts so the EVO family can dial your recomp and get you training again before you pin anything. 15min to start it up :D

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

  • Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
  • Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
  • The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
  • Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
  • Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-cycle Training Nutrition Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z
Hey thanks man. Yeah that's what I figured they both need to be low or would need a good doctor who would approve it based on low free T and symptoms but would probably be a pain finding one and not worth the hassle.

Okay so you don't think it's low enough that like 125mg weekly would be beneficial just for mood boosting/libido if my main goals are not serious gains? It's was mostly an experiment to see how it changes my mood/energy/depression/libido and the gains was kinda like a bonus. Like you think with a couple months of a proper diet and consistent training get the body fat % lower, increase muscle mass that naturally free T could come up?

Yeah I was debating about starting one up maybe, Might hold me a bit more accountable.
 
Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
View attachment 208644View attachment 208645

Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
View attachment 208666View attachment 208676

I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

View attachment 208694
View attachment 208695
View attachment 208696
View attachment 208697
View attachment 208698
View attachment 208699

I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
You can get your free testosterone higher with products like HCGenerate, which have natural supplements, or you can get them higher by using Proviron.
 
You can get your free testosterone higher with products like HCGenerate, which have natural supplements, or you can get them higher by using Proviron.
Okay thanks I'll look into them and do a bit of research.
So the first thing that springs to mind is you'll feel better leaner. And that stays as is on the T levels without adding anything.

Start with GW (from PSL, NapsGear, UGFreak or Umbrella Labs) for energy and fix the diet
Yeah 100% that's a give in, I've been 280lbs and 180lbs and it's night an day difference there is no doubt confidence goes up when you're lean and it can improve mood for sure, I just felt like it was deeper than that. Like I was fairly lean when the symptoms started. I've been fat my whole life in high school at like 15 I was 280lbs, so when I was 186lbs and building muscle it was confidence I never had before for sure. Maybe it could be outside issues, family life stuff but I just assumed this now because of the tests and I've been researching it.

I've had anxiety and depression according to a doctor but no medication works for it, I research that low free T in men can cause depression and anxiety type of stuff so I figured it's worth a shot. Like I get hard but it goes softer quicker then normal, not getting random erections, less morning wood, I'll get in the mood to beat it to some videos once in a while but no real desire or motivation to get out and meet a new girl.. been single 4 years now after a 8 year relationship.. I've been with over 50 partners in the last 15 years and like in the last 4 years I've had sex 4-5 times.. when normally I want it 2-3 times a day.. My family doctor retired and I hate my new one so I refuse to deal with her.. I'm just out here tryna figure it out on my own cause that's not normal and in my head lifting weights for 4 weeks ain't gonna fix that personally because it hasn't in the past.

I ain't even gonna lie and be upfront I already have the plan in my head and mapped it out what each week will look like my training plan, meal plan etc. I already got a order in with SYN that should touch down next week.. before I even posted here. My plan is to crush it for 2-4 weeks get a little base built up then do my experiment over the following 10 weeks.
 
Okay thanks I'll look into them and do a bit of research.

Yeah 100% that's a give in, I've been 280lbs and 180lbs and it's night an day difference there is no doubt confidence goes up when you're lean and it can improve mood for sure, I just felt like it was deeper than that. Like I was fairly lean when the symptoms started. I've been fat my whole life in high school at like 15 I was 280lbs, so when I was 186lbs and building muscle it was confidence I never had before for sure. Maybe it could be outside issues, family life stuff but I just assumed this now because of the tests and I've been researching it.

I've had anxiety and depression according to a doctor but no medication works for it, I research that low free T in men can cause depression and anxiety type of stuff so I figured it's worth a shot. Like I get hard but it goes softer quicker then normal, not getting random erections, less morning wood, I'll get in the mood to beat it to some videos once in a while but no real desire or motivation to get out and meet a new girl.. been single 4 years now after a 8 year relationship.. I've been with over 50 partners in the last 15 years and like in the last 4 years I've had sex 4-5 times.. when normally I want it 2-3 times a day.. My family doctor retired and I hate my new one so I refuse to deal with her.. I'm just out here tryna figure it out on my own cause that's not normal and in my head lifting weights for 4 weeks ain't gonna fix that personally because it hasn't in the past.

I ain't even gonna lie and be upfront I already have the plan in my head and mapped it out what each week will look like my training plan, meal plan etc. I already got a order in with SYN that should touch down next week.. before I even posted here. My plan is to crush it for 2-4 weeks get a little base built up then do my experiment over the following 10 weeks.
Let us know what you decide to do. It's going to be fun following you.
 
Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
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Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
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I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

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I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
Nice to see you posting. One of the tips I can give you right off the bat is get rid of the gloves. When you wear gloves you're not going to allow correct development of your forearms, wrists, and hands.
 
Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
View attachment 208644View attachment 208645

Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
View attachment 208666View attachment 208676

I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

View attachment 208694
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View attachment 208697
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View attachment 208699

I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
I think a good plan for you will be the cycle of steroids in 8-10 week blocks and then you could stay on your TRT if you wanted going forward.
 
Hey, new here thought I'd start by posting my blood work baseline and a little introduction.

Been feeling sluggish lately, no motivation, not hitting the gym as often so decided to get my blood work checked out thought maybe I had low T levels.

Total T: 22.7 nmol/L looks good but Free T: 356 pmol/L is low-mid from my research labs say under 200 pmol/L but online most stuff I read says under 300 pmol/L?

Does anyone have experience naturally being around 350 pmol/L Free T? Did you experience similar sides like no motivation, less gym days etc? Based on what I understand my Total T is optimal so I wouldn't really be a candidate for TRT but I mean obviously I want to have optimal levels across the board and feel normal and have energy.

I'm 32, 6 foot 1 and weigh 230lbs probably around 25% body fat right now. I wouldn't say I'm a beginner lifter but not advanced either. I was doing 225lb bench, 225lb squats, 390lbs dead lifts (skipped leg day a lot). My plan is to get back in the gym for a re-comp and based on my blood work I plan to do a 10 week re-comp with 250mg test e weekly. I don't plan to add anything crazy just basic creatine and a high carb/protein diet 3500-4000 calories and lift 6 days a week chest/tris, back/bis, and legs/shoulders hitting each group twice a week. I'm on a budget so mostly gonna be oats,honey,peanut butter,banana,hemp hearts,chia seeds for breakfast, rice and ground beef for lunch and dinner and a can of chicken as snack. My daily total base will be around 210g protein, 497g carbs, 124g fat, 3980 calories.

I've never really bulked, mostly just did strength training in a deficit my goal was to lean out and get the beginner gains I was always over weight so my focus wasn't bulking when I was dedicated to it. So my thought process was stay in a small deficient so I'd burn the fat down and as a beginner I was going to see gains anyways.

A couple old photos. Just strength training in a deficit never bulked yet.
View attachment 208644View attachment 208645

Anyways since I won't quality for TRT through a doctor due to total levels being normal I guess that's a "gray area"? I figured since I'm doing it anyways there is no point in doing a TRT dose I might as well just do 250mg weekly and get some decent performance gains and go hard in the gym and do a re comp.

Where I currently am. (haven't been lifting daily or even weekly, lost motivation, lack energy)
View attachment 208666View attachment 208676

I understand that I'm no where near my genetic potential and I'm not doing it for that reason but that I just lack the energy and motivation I had in the past and apon receiving the tests my conclusion is that it's probably because I'm on the lower end? Plan would be 125mg sub q on Monday and Thursday for 10 weeks. Expecting the first 3-4 weeks to be a bit slugish still mostly pushing myself hard because I know I want to take advantage of the cycle then after it gets saturated into my system start feeling a lot better after week 3-4. After PCT if it's continuously low I'd think maybe TRT dosage to cruise and like 1-3 proper cycles a year depending on length. Something like that.

So I just want opinions of pros/amateurs/educated individuals. Like some people will say don't start it you're too high body fat, hit the gym first. You're no where near your genetic potential it's not worth it. etc etc. Personally I think it's going to be life changing and get me back to feeling like myself and actively lifting again.

So based on the results below do you think it's worth it and beneficial to jump on 250mg test e weekly? I get it's above TRT dosage but if I'm gonna pin might as well take advantage of it? Aromasin on hand for sides, testing done again at week 6, clomid for pct.

Anyways that's my little intro and here are the results from the blood work. All the health markers look great.. I'm not a doctor but everything looks good besides being very close to the low free test levels.

View attachment 208694
View attachment 208695
View attachment 208696
View attachment 208697
View attachment 208698
View attachment 208699

I've never tried SARMS or anabolics but I'm wondering if maybe a supplement I took could have brought my levels down maybe had something in it not labeled etc? I was dedicated meal prepping, working out 5-6 days a week then just kinda lost energy and interest then slowly started skipping days. I don't post on forums often so if this is a mess bare with me. lol

So what is everyone's opinion? Blood work look good? Should I try like 125mg weekly TRT dose and see if I feel better or don't waste time just do the 10 week re comp at 250mg weekly and slug it out for the first few weeks until I'm feeling better then just go hard until the end of the cycle and get the most out of it? If I jump on 250mg weekly then get off do PCT is it likely I come back naturally in the same levels, do people ever come back at higher natural levels, will it suppress it even more?

My bad for so many questions.. most of them I've already read about in the past but it hits different when someone with real world experience gives their 2 cents compared to just reading it. Reassurance, I guess?
Bros, just an observation but sometimes people obsess too much over their testosterone levels. At the end of the day, testosterone levels can fluctuate day by day and hour by hour so at the end of the day make sure you're doing everything in your power that you can control.
 
Let us know what you decide to do. It's going to be fun following you.
Will do! Going to probably start a log here soon and get back into the flow. Did some lifts today just to get a baseline and kinda see where I am.
they work for sure
Ok thanks bro, appreciate it.
Nice to see you posting. One of the tips I can give you right off the bat is get rid of the gloves. When you wear gloves you're not going to allow correct development of your forearms, wrists, and hands.
Yeah I'm not a fan of the gloves either. I try to not use them most of the time but I have eczema that comes on from gluten/dairy possibly other stuff I haven't found out yet. So some days they are so sore that I just gotta have that extra layer. This is what my hands looked like after today check out the volume below.

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This is very good and they are healing, I ate something that I didn't read enough I guess had a flare up.. but I have some pretty gnarly photos of them cracked, leaking and bleeding.. they can get bad. So I try not to use them but sometimes gotta.

I think a good plan for you will be the cycle of steroids in 8-10 week blocks and then you could stay on your TRT if you wanted going forward.
Thanks for the input brother, I was thinking like the same kinda thing that's kinda what it would look like.
Bros, just an observation but sometimes people obsess too much over their testosterone levels. At the end of the day, testosterone levels can fluctuate day by day and hour by hour so at the end of the day make sure you're doing everything in your power that you can control.
Okay yeah I don't know much about how fast/often they change naturally. This was the first time I had my hormones checked because the lack of sexual desire I guess I assumed that would be the cause. Maybe it's some kinda dopamine thing. I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm obsessed over it but just trying to figure out my body.



I pulled out the bench and weights today decided to just see what I could put up. I'd say I haven't actually lifted seriously in probably 12 months or more there might have been a week or two where I thought about it, picked it up and put it down but nothing serious.

The last week I've just been at my standing desk using 15,25 and 35s doing like dumbbell curls, hammer curls, one arm triceps extensions, front raise, lateral raise, bent over lateral raise and standing dumbbell shoulder presses. Nothing serious just get blood flowing and muscles working.

I plan to start a log but here's some stuff just to keep track of (baseline) stuff. I'll add it to the start of my log when I start it.

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(Can't get this video pushed to the left for the life of me. lol)

This was like 14-15 hours fasted, had a coffee when I woke up then had a mio energy with 5g creatine an hour or two before lifting.

I normally try to stick to a good form explosive ups, squeeze and hold, proper breathing and slow down but obviously I need to get into the rhythm again.

The 205s half cheated could have called it there, 225 was just ego wanting to do 1 rep and it was half ass. The dead lifts were fine the 345 my back was rounded too much, want to get thighs more parallel to the floor and hips a bit deeper. Wasn't good form but I put it up nonetheless. lastly the 225lb squat was a half rep felt like if I went any further I wasn't coming back up. lol

The biggest thing I noticed is my core, It's gotten very weak. I think that the lifts I cheated on I wouldn't have with a bit more core strength. I've been sitting at a desk for the last year though.
 
Will do! Going to probably start a log here soon and get back into the flow. Did some lifts today just to get a baseline and kinda see where I am.

Ok thanks bro, appreciate it.

Yeah I'm not a fan of the gloves either. I try to not use them most of the time but I have eczema that comes on from gluten/dairy possibly other stuff I haven't found out yet. So some days they are so sore that I just gotta have that extra layer. This is what my hands looked like after today check out the volume below.

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This is very good and they are healing, I ate something that I didn't read enough I guess had a flare up.. but I have some pretty gnarly photos of them cracked, leaking and bleeding.. they can get bad. So I try not to use them but sometimes gotta.


Thanks for the input brother, I was thinking like the same kinda thing that's kinda what it would look like.

Okay yeah I don't know much about how fast/often they change naturally. This was the first time I had my hormones checked because the lack of sexual desire I guess I assumed that would be the cause. Maybe it's some kinda dopamine thing. I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm obsessed over it but just trying to figure out my body.



I pulled out the bench and weights today decided to just see what I could put up. I'd say I haven't actually lifted seriously in probably 12 months or more there might have been a week or two where I thought about it, picked it up and put it down but nothing serious.

The last week I've just been at my standing desk using 15,25 and 35s doing like dumbbell curls, hammer curls, one arm triceps extensions, front raise, lateral raise, bent over lateral raise and standing dumbbell shoulder presses. Nothing serious just get blood flowing and muscles working.

I plan to start a log but here's some stuff just to keep track of (baseline) stuff. I'll add it to the start of my log when I start it.

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(Can't get this video pushed to the left for the life of me. lol)

This was like 14-15 hours fasted, had a coffee when I woke up then had a mio energy with 5g creatine an hour or two before lifting.

I normally try to stick to a good form explosive ups, squeeze and hold, proper breathing and slow down but obviously I need to get into the rhythm again.

The 205s half cheated could have called it there, 225 was just ego wanting to do 1 rep and it was half ass. The dead lifts were fine the 345 my back was rounded too much, want to get thighs more parallel to the floor and hips a bit deeper. Wasn't good form but I put it up nonetheless. lastly the 225lb squat was a half rep felt like if I went any further I wasn't coming back up. lol

The biggest thing I noticed is my core, It's gotten very weak. I think that the lifts I cheated on I wouldn't have with a bit more core strength. I've been sitting at a desk for the last year though.
Nice updates.
 
Okay yeah I don't know much about how fast/often they change naturally. This was the first time I had my hormones checked because the lack of sexual desire I guess I assumed that would be the cause. Maybe it's some kinda dopamine thing. I don't know. I wouldn't say I'm obsessed over it but just trying to figure out my body.
Bros, no need to obsess over it too much for sure cause it's only gonna stress you out more.
 
Yeah I'm not a fan of the gloves either. I try to not use them most of the time but I have eczema that comes on from gluten/dairy possibly other stuff I haven't found out yet. So some days they are so sore that I just gotta have that extra layer. This is what my hands looked like after today check out the volume below.

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Your hands are gonna get messed up. Weight training? That's okay man. That's the idea. That's what I'm saying. They're gonna get stronger. They'll get messed up then they'll come back stronger.
 
Nice updates.
Thanks, ended up making a thread to keep track of actual progress add the link at the end this post.
Bros, no need to obsess over it too much for sure cause it's only gonna stress you out more.
Okay bro thanks respect.
Your hands are gonna get messed up. Weight training? That's okay man. That's the idea. That's what I'm saying. They're gonna get stronger. They'll get messed up then they'll come back stronger.
Oh yeah I figured and expect that I'm not to worried about it but doing it with eczema is a whole other story. I'm hoping when I get my diet back in check I won't be dealing with the flare ups.
That's a start right there, especially over the weekend.
Yeah man wanted to get a rough idea where to start before the week started, I like to start my week on Sunday. I ended up making a log today I posted the link at the end of this post.
Nothing wrong with that at all. Back in the old days we used to run short cycles all the time.
Okay cool yeah maybe with experience that would change also too but the choice now was mostly being less experienced and also easier on the wallet.
Looks like the guys got ya covered
Yeah man got some good info/tips, seems like a good community!



Started this log today, the goal is to keep it updated daily.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-gym-log-free-weights-bodyweight-only.110275/
 
Thanks, ended up making a thread to keep track of actual progress add the link at the end this post.

Okay bro thanks respect.

Oh yeah I figured and expect that I'm not to worried about it but doing it with eczema is a whole other story. I'm hoping when I get my diet back in check I won't be dealing with the flare ups.

Yeah man wanted to get a rough idea where to start before the week started, I like to start my week on Sunday. I ended up making a log today I posted the link at the end of this post.

Okay cool yeah maybe with experience that would change also too but the choice now was mostly being less experienced and also easier on the wallet.

Yeah man got some good info/tips, seems like a good community!



Started this log today, the goal is to keep it updated daily.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-gym-log-free-weights-bodyweight-only.110275/
will check new log :D
 
I would do the following

Get on a Glp like reta or triz and get as lean as you can. Ideally close to single digit bf

If you have finished having kids, you can do you own trt, but if you haven’t started family planning I would hold off.

Getting lean will give you a better idea on your hormones and you’ll build muscle faster (natural or otherwise) being very lean.

Plus, if you decide to do your own trt, being lean first will make your results much better.
 
Thanks, ended up making a thread to keep track of actual progress add the link at the end this post.

Okay bro thanks respect.

Oh yeah I figured and expect that I'm not to worried about it but doing it with eczema is a whole other story. I'm hoping when I get my diet back in check I won't be dealing with the flare ups.

Yeah man wanted to get a rough idea where to start before the week started, I like to start my week on Sunday. I ended up making a log today I posted the link at the end of this post.

Okay cool yeah maybe with experience that would change also too but the choice now was mostly being less experienced and also easier on the wallet.

Yeah man got some good info/tips, seems like a good community!



Started this log today, the goal is to keep it updated daily.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-gym-log-free-weights-bodyweight-only.110275/
bros, keep the iron grind pumping. EVO family appreciates you.
 
Oh yeah I figured and expect that I'm not to worried about it but doing it with eczema is a whole other story. I'm hoping when I get my diet back in check I won't be dealing with the flare ups.
yeah that is always a good thing to not get those issues
 
will check new log :D
Cheers!

Nothing wrong with that. We all make economical choices.
Yeah especially these days. lol

I would do the following

Get on a Glp like reta or triz and get as lean as you can. Ideally close to single digit bf

If you have finished having kids, you can do you own trt, but if you haven’t started family planning I would hold off.

Getting lean will give you a better idea on your hormones and you’ll build muscle faster (natural or otherwise) being very lean.

Plus, if you decide to do your own trt, being lean first will make your results much better.
Okay I thought about the peptides just to get it done quicker/easier kinda cheat but I don't really have a problem losing weight it really is just diet for me, I usually shed the fat pretty quick.

Yeah no kids, don't really plan on any at this point. I'm okay with being a step dad or something. lol okay good to know yeah the TRT stuff mostly is experimenting with libido and sexual arousal kinda stuff and I figured it's worth experimenting with for that and if I'm already experimenting then I have nothing to lose. I'm the type of guy that likes to do real world experiments myself and have experience. Nothing beats real world experience so even having a 10 week TRT dose and learning my body more and seeing how I react, how I feel all this stuff I know from reading to me being able to have that experience alone is valuable because now even when doing research I'm not "blind" I actually have experience and can understand stuff better that way. I'm really a hands on kinda guy.

bros, keep the iron grind pumping. EVO family appreciates you.
Will do! Thanks appreciate you guys also.

yeah that is always a good thing to not get those issues
Yeah it sucks more prone to infection and what not. It is what it is. lol
 
Got some updated blood work. Any input/opinions compared to the baseline? Been doing 150mg Test E since April 14th, 75mg Monday and Thursday.

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This is the new one:

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estrogen stable now :D and I like your test level a bit up but should be much higher, what dose of test did you pin before the latest bloods?

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estrogen stable now :D and I like your test level a bit up but should be much higher, what dose of test did you pin before the latest bloods?

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It would have been 75mg on Thursday and I had the blood work done Monday before I pinned. I wasn't sure if it would effect the test and I figured it would effect the test less if I just waited until after, I know it slowly releases but wasn't sure if maybe it would cause a abnormal spike or something? I've been doing 0.3ml so 75mg every Monday and Thursday though.

Yeah I thought everything looked good on the health side, wasn't sure about E2 but it's in range so not bad seemed like a lot being more than double. Yeah I felt like I was expecting to see bigger numbers for the actual test levels but being my first time I wasn't sure how much of a increase you'd expect to see from 150mg weekly. I've been reading these levels are more around the mid point what someone would expect from these dosages? @LevButlerov
 
It would have been 75mg on Thursday and I had the blood work done Monday before I pinned. I wasn't sure if it would effect the test and I figured it would effect the test less if I just waited until after, I know it slowly releases but wasn't sure if maybe it would cause a abnormal spike or something? I've been doing 0.3ml so 75mg every Monday and Thursday though.

Yeah I thought everything looked good on the health side, wasn't sure about E2 but it's in range so not bad seemed like a lot being more than double. Yeah I felt like I was expecting to see bigger numbers for the actual test levels but being my first time I wasn't sure how much of a increase you'd expect to see from 150mg weekly. I've been reading these levels are more around the mid point what someone would expect from these dosages? @LevButlerov
I think we can increase test dose and your e2 is not high if you feel ok on it, no sides?
 
I think we can increase test dose and your e2 is not high if you feel ok on it, no sides?
Yeah I feel fine and nothing that stands out at least, no sore nips or anything. Yeah it's good just for the first time I was thinking maybe it would go from 41 to like 60 or something that's all it jumped a lot but it's well below the high level.
 
Yeah I feel fine and nothing that stands out at least, no sore nips or anything. Yeah it's good just for the first time I was thinking maybe it would go from 41 to like 60 or something that's all it jumped a lot but it's well below the high level.
if you feel fine thats ok but we might need to redo lcms :D
 
if you feel fine thats ok but we might need to redo lcms :D
Is this a more specific type of test or something else? "lcms" Liquid Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry? So from my research everything I found days on this dosage my test levels should be higher? So what does that tell me? I'm a high metabolizer or maybe the vial I had was under dosed?
 
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Is this a more specific type of test or something else? "lcms" Liquid Chromatography-Mass Spectrometry? So from my research everything I found days on this dosage my test levels should be higher? So what does that tell me? I'm a high metabolizer or maybe the vial I had was under dosed?
Everyone is different mate. I would say you are close to spot on for normal TRT... could maybe be a bit higher. If you want to sit right at the top of the standard range you could bump to around 175mg/week. I'd probably split the doses to 3 times a week or EOD though. And at that dose your E2 still should be fine.
 
Everyone is different mate. I would say you are close to spot on for normal TRT... could maybe be a bit higher. If you want to sit right at the top of the standard range you could bump to around 175mg/week. I'd probably split the doses to 3 times a week or EOD though. And at that dose your E2 still should be fine.
Yeah for sure, I agree with you. I'm just trying to understand it more. If it's a bit low or low-mid then like anyone would want to know possible reasons why, not that they are definitive reasons but they are alleys to look into. I don't really have a specific goal in mind for where I want to be in the range. I just want to be fully aware of what is happening and possibilities of why and why not, that's all.

With a enanthate it would still be alright to do EOD? I was under the impression it's a ester that takes longer to absorb so you'd do less injections weekly, that wouldn't mess up the peak and trough? I haven't really research any of this stuff since I was working out before so I've forgot most of it. I think I had a calculator before when I was planning it out where you could get a rough idea of the peaks and troughs based on the dosage, ester and pinning plan.

I was thinking on switching to IM and going up to 200-250mg based on @LevButlerov advice. Like 125mg Monday and Thursday was the plan keeping it simple. What would the benefits of switch to 3 times a week or EOD? @waggat
 
Yeah for sure, I agree with you. I'm just trying to understand it more. If it's a bit low or low-mid then like anyone would want to know possible reasons why, not that they are definitive reasons but they are alleys to look into. I don't really have a specific goal in mind for where I want to be in the range. I just want to be fully aware of what is happening and possibilities of why and why not, that's all.

With a enanthate it would still be alright to do EOD? I was under the impression it's a ester that takes longer to absorb so you'd do less injections weekly, that wouldn't mess up the peak and trough? I haven't really research any of this stuff since I was working out before so I've forgot most of it. I think I had a calculator before when I was planning it out where you could get a rough idea of the peaks and troughs based on the dosage, ester and pinning plan.

I was thinking on switching to IM and going up to 200-250mg based on @LevButlerov advice. Like 125mg Monday and Thursday was the plan keeping it simple. What would the benefits of switch to 3 times a week or EOD? @waggat
I started off doing 3 x / week (despite Test E and the longer ester). A lot of people were still saying it helps keep things steadier. I've dropped back to twice a week a few times. Recently though I've changed to EOD. I don't mind the more frequent injections and if there is a small benefit I think it's worth it.

With the 200-250, do you see that as a base TRT dose or a TRT+? Based on your numbers at 150, then 200 would probably be mint. Nothing wrong with 250 if you want to push it a bit though. You could probably get away with 200-250 with no AI too based on your current results.
 
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