Blood Work Help with blood work 250mg test e

[TrynaGetJacked]

Hi everyone this is my first post. I'm currently on cycle. I'm about six weeks in and I'm just looking for a bit of help. I've got my blood test before and my blood test during so you guys can compare and look. There are a couple concerning things to me personally which I'm trying to resolve so I'm just looking for some guidance for a beginner to get on top of things and I have a few questions I'd like to ask people with more experience.

First of all, my cycle is currently test e 250mg, I started off by somehow injecting more maybe round 350 because for some reason math left my mind when injecting the first couple times and I did it 4 times. Started on a Monday and then did Thursday and repeated once more, at the start I was okay but I felt like my anxiety by the 4th was extremely high im not very much of an anxious person I do have a little but I havent experienced anything like that before. Like I would get super dizzy and nauseous and I guess I was overthinking every little detail which made it worse so I stopped for a week (I know not the smartest idea) then fixed my dosing and did Tuesday Friday for the next 4 weeks, definitely felt better at 250mg but still a little anxiety in the morning, then got my most recent blood test.

I have had experience with enclo an mk before firstly I didnt experience any anxiety on this at all, and found I did aromasite a bit, but it was fairly obviously, puffy, itchy nipples, very emotional in the wrong way like more sensitive which is not me at all. so I started taking arimidex, and it helped. I should of started taking arimidex on this cycle 2 weeks in, I literally had it in my draw but I didnt have any obvious signs and I wanted to see what my bloods were at once it was consistent and made sense. I dont feel like I have any bad high e2 signs maybe slightly puffy nipples and a little sensitive but I didnt feel that till I saw my e2 was high. I know it was a stupid decision and something I will learn from I just need help with the right dosage for AI and if I can run nolvadex with an AI I was told I can’t or even help deciding whether I should stop and start an anti gyno protocol cause I feel like I have the start of it. Slight bump under the nipple and it comes through shirts.

Also I take training very seriously 6 days a week, 3800 cals, 250P, 550C, 89F not always bang on but very close, to the mark, I would be maybe 20% body fat I can see veins on my arms and stuff but the gut has some I need to lose.

Main Blood Results: No Ai in both of these
Before Complete Natty
Total T: 15.4nmol
SHBG: 23nmol
Free T: 385pmol
Oestradiol: 117pmol

Current Blood Test:
Total T: 45.6nmol
SHBG: 13nmol
Free T: 1606pmol
Oestradiol: 409pmol:


Also bloods were taken on cycle at 10am on a Monday I injected 7-8pm on Friday.

Will provide screenshots of the blood tests before and after for other important information

Basically my questions are
- Is it worth it for me? Like is the risk to reward worth it when I feel good its great in the gym im making serious progress can see im developing muscle. But the anxiety does make me question it in the morning.

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?
• Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?
• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?
• Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Now if you do reply seriously thank you, I will do my best to reply to everyone, I am looking for some experienced help and guidance, but any help on whats made it easier for you will be very much appreciated. I did see alot of other blood work and their protocols some were a little blurry and some definitely gave me some ideas.


Thank you evo community been following for a while and felt like it’s time to reach out.

 

[Dreamer]

Your bloods are fine, your e2 is pretty high, but .5 adex eod is not the way I would run it.

I would do .25 twice a week, like Monday and Thursday for example, its very strong and as you start doing more frequent injections this should come down a little bit too.

I would also say get some Aromasin, hit up @Gold Standard Labs, its way way gentler than adex, and start running that at like 6.25mg eod and redo bloods after a couple weeks.

The question if its worth it or not, well, at 250mg I am unsure - your kind of better off comitting to a cycle on a higher dose or finding your trt dose where you dont need to run an ai, depends what your trying to do.

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

Awesome thank you for replying so quickly.

Is there a reason you wouldn’t run Adex eod? I thought aromasin was more potent. And can you run Novla with Ai or leave that for PCT, just worried bout gyno.

And yeah I mean at the moment it my first cycle so
I’m trying to figure out what works for me and I guess practicing my injections aswell.

Thank you once again

 

[Allupfromhere]

Bro your anxiety is mostly mental i feel. Relax take a deep breath your not in the trenches by any means..
I agree with @Dreamer run aromasin over arimidex. It easier to control.
I wpuld opt for 12.5mg eod for 2 weeks and retest bloods, thats just my opinion though.

Your aromatisation is high because you are over weight at 20%bf.

Whats your current height and weight?
Post photos with your face blurred so we can see what your base is.

If there is no solid lumps developing and nips are just puffy its early, lets just get e2 in range and this should calm down. Might not need nolva at this stage. Again lets see some photos.

Need to see your height and weight to brother because your macros fit someone who would have heaps of muscle on them and these numbers may be working against you.

Now all that is said lets bring this right back to the start so we can help you properly.

Whats your current goals and what are you trying to achieve right now with using Ped's?

Welcome to evo bro, lets get you sorted and dialled in

 

[Dreamer]

Awesome thank you for replying so quickly.

Is there a reason you wouldn’t run Adex eod? I thought aromasin was more potent. And can you run Novla with Ai or leave that for PCT, just worried bout gyno.

And yeah I mean at the moment it my first cycle so
I’m trying to figure out what works for me and I guess practicing my injections aswell.

Thank you once again

Arimidex is like a sledgehammer, all I ever got from Arimidex was crashed e2 - aromasin is super gentle compared to it.

You can run Nolva yes - but as @Allupfromhere said if there is no solid lumps lowering e2 will probably help alot

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

Bro your anxiety is mostly mental i feel. Relax take a deep breath your not in the trenches by any means..
I agree with @Dreamer run aromasin over arimidex. It easier to control.
I wpuld opt for 12.5mg eod for 2 weeks and retest bloods, thats just my opinion though.

Your aromatisation is high because you are over weight at 20%bf.

Whats your current height and weight?
Post photos with your face blurred so we can see what your base is.

If there is no solid lumps developing and nips are just puffy its early, lets just get e2 in range and this should calm down. Might not need nolva at this stage. Again lets see some photos.

Need to see your height and weight to brother because your macros fit someone who would have heaps of muscle on them and these numbers may be working against you.

Now all that is said lets bring this right back to the start so we can help you properly.

Whats your current goals and what are you trying to achieve right now with using Ped's?

Welcome to evo bro, lets get you sorted and dialled in

Thank you for the detailed reply, fr bro massive help I might get some aromasin on order from ugloz tn, spewing their outta test atm need to restock.

And awesome I’ll try and get some pics tonight or tomorrow, I wouldn’t call myself fat but I’m definitely not lean. And not particularly big I always say I have a crack head build, always struggled a lot putting on weight as a kid was always super skinny wasn’t until I got my diet on track and ate the same shit over and over again till I saw results.

Height is 5’9 weight 89.5kgs, my macros are high because my maintenance is high. I consistently ate 2800-3000 macros a day for 6 weeks and did not move on the scale plus I’ve always been told I burn hotter than other people I find myself overheating a lot naturally, like every leg day I’m covered in sweat doesn’t matter if the gym is 10 degrees. (Always push the hardest on legs )


Currently my goal is to gain mass, preferably good lean mass, my plan is to get to 95kgs bulking then cut back down to 85kgs and keep mass and be shredded. I’m good at cutting and never had an issue losing weight.


Thank you evo family

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi everyone this is my first post. I'm currently on cycle. I'm about six weeks in and I'm just looking for a bit of help. I've got my blood test before and my blood test during so you guys can compare and look. There are a couple concerning things to me personally which I'm trying to resolve so I'm just looking for some guidance for a beginner to get on top of things and I have a few questions I'd like to ask people with more experience.

First of all, my cycle is currently test e 250mg, I started off by somehow injecting more maybe round 350 because for some reason math left my mind when injecting the first couple times and I did it 4 times. Started on a Monday and then did Thursday and repeated once more, at the start I was okay but I felt like my anxiety by the 4th was extremely high im not very much of an anxious person I do have a little but I havent experienced anything like that before. Like I would get super dizzy and nauseous and I guess I was overthinking every little detail which made it worse so I stopped for a week (I know not the smartest idea) then fixed my dosing and did Tuesday Friday for the next 4 weeks, definitely felt better at 250mg but still a little anxiety in the morning, then got my most recent blood test.

I have had experience with enclo an mk before firstly I didnt experience any anxiety on this at all, and found I did aromasite a bit, but it was fairly obviously, puffy, itchy nipples, very emotional in the wrong way like more sensitive which is not me at all. so I started taking arimidex, and it helped. I should of started taking arimidex on this cycle 2 weeks in, I literally had it in my draw but I didnt have any obvious signs and I wanted to see what my bloods were at once it was consistent and made sense. I dont feel like I have any bad high e2 signs maybe slightly puffy nipples and a little sensitive but I didnt feel that till I saw my e2 was high. I know it was a stupid decision and something I will learn from I just need help with the right dosage for AI and if I can run nolvadex with an AI I was told I can’t or even help deciding whether I should stop and start an anti gyno protocol cause I feel like I have the start of it. Slight bump under the nipple and it comes through shirts.

Also I take training very seriously 6 days a week, 3800 cals, 250P, 550C, 89F not always bang on but very close, to the mark, I would be maybe 20% body fat I can see veins on my arms and stuff but the gut has some I need to lose.

Main Blood Results: No Ai in both of these
Before Complete Natty
Total T: 15.4nmol
SHBG: 23nmol
Free T: 385pmol
Oestradiol: 117pmol

Current Blood Test:
Total T: 45.6nmol
SHBG: 13nmol
Free T: 1606pmol
Oestradiol: 409pmol:


Also bloods were taken on cycle at 10am on a Monday I injected 7-8pm on Friday.

Will provide screenshots of the blood tests before and after for other important information

Basically my questions are
- Is it worth it for me? Like is the risk to reward worth it when I feel good its great in the gym im making serious progress can see im developing muscle. But the anxiety does make me question it in the morning.

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?
• Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?
• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?
• Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Now if you do reply seriously thank you, I will do my best to reply to everyone, I am looking for some experienced help and guidance, but any help on whats made it easier for you will be very much appreciated. I did see alot of other blood work and their protocols some were a little blurry and some definitely gave me some ideas.


Thank you evo community been following for a while and felt like it’s time to reach out.

Awesome thank you for replying so quickly.

Is there a reason you wouldn’t run Adex eod? I thought aromasin was more potent. And can you run Novla with Ai or leave that for PCT, just worried bout gyno.

And yeah I mean at the moment it my first cycle so
I’m trying to figure out what works for me and I guess practicing my injections aswell.

Thank you once again

Thank you for the detailed reply, fr bro massive help I might get some aromasin on order from ugloz tn, spewing their outta test atm need to restock.

And awesome I’ll try and get some pics tonight or tomorrow, I wouldn’t call myself fat but I’m definitely not lean. And not particularly big I always say I have a crack head build, always struggled a lot putting on weight as a kid was always super skinny wasn’t until I got my diet on track and ate the same shit over and over again till I saw results.

Height is 5’9 weight 89.5kgs, my macros are high because my maintenance is high. I consistently ate 2800-3000 macros a day for 6 weeks and did not move on the scale plus I’ve always been told I burn hotter than other people I find myself overheating a lot naturally, like every leg day I’m covered in sweat doesn’t matter if the gym is 10 degrees. (Always push the hardest on legs )


Currently my goal is to gain mass, preferably good lean mass, my plan is to get to 95kgs bulking then cut back down to 85kgs and keep mass and be shredded. I’m good at cutting and never had an issue losing weight.


Thank you evo family

welcome to the EVO family! @TrynaGetJacked Your bloods need aromasin asap like right now, dont use arimidex, its a bad idea on the rebound.

This still doesn’t tell us enough to help because we don’t see day to day food intake, training loads, sleep, steps, or bodyweight trend and guessing metabolism is not a plan.
Get a proper log up ASAP with daily calories and macros, training weights, sleep hours, and weekly check in pics so the EVO family can guide the mass phase instead of working in the dark. 15min of your time to start the log.

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[stevesmi]

Hi everyone this is my first post. I'm currently on cycle. I'm about six weeks in and I'm just looking for a bit of help. I've got my blood test before and my blood test during so you guys can compare and look. There are a couple concerning things to me personally which I'm trying to resolve so I'm just looking for some guidance for a beginner to get on top of things and I have a few questions I'd like to ask people with more experience.

First of all, my cycle is currently test e 250mg, I started off by somehow injecting more maybe round 350 because for some reason math left my mind when injecting the first couple times and I did it 4 times. Started on a Monday and then did Thursday and repeated once more, at the start I was okay but I felt like my anxiety by the 4th was extremely high im not very much of an anxious person I do have a little but I havent experienced anything like that before. Like I would get super dizzy and nauseous and I guess I was overthinking every little detail which made it worse so I stopped for a week (I know not the smartest idea) then fixed my dosing and did Tuesday Friday for the next 4 weeks, definitely felt better at 250mg but still a little anxiety in the morning, then got my most recent blood test.

I have had experience with enclo an mk before firstly I didnt experience any anxiety on this at all, and found I did aromasite a bit, but it was fairly obviously, puffy, itchy nipples, very emotional in the wrong way like more sensitive which is not me at all. so I started taking arimidex, and it helped. I should of started taking arimidex on this cycle 2 weeks in, I literally had it in my draw but I didnt have any obvious signs and I wanted to see what my bloods were at once it was consistent and made sense. I dont feel like I have any bad high e2 signs maybe slightly puffy nipples and a little sensitive but I didnt feel that till I saw my e2 was high. I know it was a stupid decision and something I will learn from I just need help with the right dosage for AI and if I can run nolvadex with an AI I was told I can’t or even help deciding whether I should stop and start an anti gyno protocol cause I feel like I have the start of it. Slight bump under the nipple and it comes through shirts.

Also I take training very seriously 6 days a week, 3800 cals, 250P, 550C, 89F not always bang on but very close, to the mark, I would be maybe 20% body fat I can see veins on my arms and stuff but the gut has some I need to lose.

Main Blood Results: No Ai in both of these
Before Complete Natty
Total T: 15.4nmol
SHBG: 23nmol
Free T: 385pmol
Oestradiol: 117pmol

Current Blood Test:
Total T: 45.6nmol
SHBG: 13nmol
Free T: 1606pmol
Oestradiol: 409pmol:


Also bloods were taken on cycle at 10am on a Monday I injected 7-8pm on Friday.

Will provide screenshots of the blood tests before and after for other important information

Basically my questions are
- Is it worth it for me? Like is the risk to reward worth it when I feel good its great in the gym im making serious progress can see im developing muscle. But the anxiety does make me question it in the morning.

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?
• Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?
• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?
• Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Now if you do reply seriously thank you, I will do my best to reply to everyone, I am looking for some experienced help and guidance, but any help on whats made it easier for you will be very much appreciated. I did see alot of other blood work and their protocols some were a little blurry and some definitely gave me some ideas.


Thank you evo community been following for a while and felt like it’s time to reach out.

Numbers are where I would expect them to be since you're on testosterone. I think your bloods are good.

 

[2Thick]

The bloods are great. You should definitely look into adding maybe an injectable or an oral and then also get your log going.

 

[Mobster]

I'm seeing no age. I'm guessing young

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

The bloods are great. You should definitely look into adding maybe an injectable or an oral and then also get your log going.

Is there anything you would recommend adding in a few weeks?

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

I mean in the scope of things yes, 23 but I’m not young young like 18 majority of my growing has finished.

I'm seeing no age. I'm guessing young

 

[willipede]

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?

I would get some aromasin and switch to that as its a suicidal AI and you won't have any e2 rebound when stopping

Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?

I would retest e2 whilst taking AI to ensure your closer to an ideal on cycle range. I dont like mine going over 180

• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?

Bloods look great for 250 test, e2 is very high though

I would switch to daily injections, smaller doses. I use small 27g x1/2" pins and rotate glutes, delts, quads, lats etc.

But rotating from glute and delts should be plenty for you

Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Don't let gyno run rampant now, once it becomes hard tissue its irreversible. You can run nolvadex to stop aromatisation at the breast tissue, but you need to keep e2 lower with your arimidex or aromisin or lower the test dosage.

 

[Ulter]

I mean in the scope of things yes, 23 but I’m not young young like 18 majority of my growing has finished.

23 is still considered young, trust me. I think optimally you should wait maybe another year or two but if you want to mess around with steroids now, that is your prerogative. Just keep the cycle short; you'll recover much smoother.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi everyone this is my first post. I'm currently on cycle. I'm about six weeks in and I'm just looking for a bit of help. I've got my blood test before and my blood test during so you guys can compare and look. There are a couple concerning things to me personally which I'm trying to resolve so I'm just looking for some guidance for a beginner to get on top of things and I have a few questions I'd like to ask people with more experience.

First of all, my cycle is currently test e 250mg, I started off by somehow injecting more maybe round 350 because for some reason math left my mind when injecting the first couple times and I did it 4 times. Started on a Monday and then did Thursday and repeated once more, at the start I was okay but I felt like my anxiety by the 4th was extremely high im not very much of an anxious person I do have a little but I havent experienced anything like that before. Like I would get super dizzy and nauseous and I guess I was overthinking every little detail which made it worse so I stopped for a week (I know not the smartest idea) then fixed my dosing and did Tuesday Friday for the next 4 weeks, definitely felt better at 250mg but still a little anxiety in the morning, then got my most recent blood test.

I have had experience with enclo an mk before firstly I didnt experience any anxiety on this at all, and found I did aromasite a bit, but it was fairly obviously, puffy, itchy nipples, very emotional in the wrong way like more sensitive which is not me at all. so I started taking arimidex, and it helped. I should of started taking arimidex on this cycle 2 weeks in, I literally had it in my draw but I didnt have any obvious signs and I wanted to see what my bloods were at once it was consistent and made sense. I dont feel like I have any bad high e2 signs maybe slightly puffy nipples and a little sensitive but I didnt feel that till I saw my e2 was high. I know it was a stupid decision and something I will learn from I just need help with the right dosage for AI and if I can run nolvadex with an AI I was told I can’t or even help deciding whether I should stop and start an anti gyno protocol cause I feel like I have the start of it. Slight bump under the nipple and it comes through shirts.

Also I take training very seriously 6 days a week, 3800 cals, 250P, 550C, 89F not always bang on but very close, to the mark, I would be maybe 20% body fat I can see veins on my arms and stuff but the gut has some I need to lose.

Main Blood Results: No Ai in both of these
Before Complete Natty
Total T: 15.4nmol
SHBG: 23nmol
Free T: 385pmol
Oestradiol: 117pmol

Current Blood Test:
Total T: 45.6nmol
SHBG: 13nmol
Free T: 1606pmol
Oestradiol: 409pmol:


Also bloods were taken on cycle at 10am on a Monday I injected 7-8pm on Friday.

Will provide screenshots of the blood tests before and after for other important information

Basically my questions are
- Is it worth it for me? Like is the risk to reward worth it when I feel good its great in the gym im making serious progress can see im developing muscle. But the anxiety does make me question it in the morning.

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?
• Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?
• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?
• Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Now if you do reply seriously thank you, I will do my best to reply to everyone, I am looking for some experienced help and guidance, but any help on whats made it easier for you will be very much appreciated. I did see alot of other blood work and their protocols some were a little blurry and some definitely gave me some ideas.


Thank you evo community been following for a while and felt like it’s time to reach out.

@TrynaGetJacked lowering your estrogen is easy, just using AI as you said, but just don't lower it too much. As far as anxiety, I'd recommend checking out some of the other logs on here and seeing what guys with anxiety are doing. Make sure you're avoiding certain compounds that increase anxiety and improve your sleep and the anxiety will definitely get better.

 

[ceo]

Hi everyone this is my first post. I'm currently on cycle. I'm about six weeks in and I'm just looking for a bit of help. I've got my blood test before and my blood test during so you guys can compare and look. There are a couple concerning things to me personally which I'm trying to resolve so I'm just looking for some guidance for a beginner to get on top of things and I have a few questions I'd like to ask people with more experience.

First of all, my cycle is currently test e 250mg, I started off by somehow injecting more maybe round 350 because for some reason math left my mind when injecting the first couple times and I did it 4 times. Started on a Monday and then did Thursday and repeated once more, at the start I was okay but I felt like my anxiety by the 4th was extremely high im not very much of an anxious person I do have a little but I havent experienced anything like that before. Like I would get super dizzy and nauseous and I guess I was overthinking every little detail which made it worse so I stopped for a week (I know not the smartest idea) then fixed my dosing and did Tuesday Friday for the next 4 weeks, definitely felt better at 250mg but still a little anxiety in the morning, then got my most recent blood test.

I have had experience with enclo an mk before firstly I didnt experience any anxiety on this at all, and found I did aromasite a bit, but it was fairly obviously, puffy, itchy nipples, very emotional in the wrong way like more sensitive which is not me at all. so I started taking arimidex, and it helped. I should of started taking arimidex on this cycle 2 weeks in, I literally had it in my draw but I didnt have any obvious signs and I wanted to see what my bloods were at once it was consistent and made sense. I dont feel like I have any bad high e2 signs maybe slightly puffy nipples and a little sensitive but I didnt feel that till I saw my e2 was high. I know it was a stupid decision and something I will learn from I just need help with the right dosage for AI and if I can run nolvadex with an AI I was told I can’t or even help deciding whether I should stop and start an anti gyno protocol cause I feel like I have the start of it. Slight bump under the nipple and it comes through shirts.

Also I take training very seriously 6 days a week, 3800 cals, 250P, 550C, 89F not always bang on but very close, to the mark, I would be maybe 20% body fat I can see veins on my arms and stuff but the gut has some I need to lose.

Main Blood Results: No Ai in both of these
Before Complete Natty
Total T: 15.4nmol
SHBG: 23nmol
Free T: 385pmol
Oestradiol: 117pmol

Current Blood Test:
Total T: 45.6nmol
SHBG: 13nmol
Free T: 1606pmol
Oestradiol: 409pmol:


Also bloods were taken on cycle at 10am on a Monday I injected 7-8pm on Friday.

Will provide screenshots of the blood tests before and after for other important information

Basically my questions are
- Is it worth it for me? Like is the risk to reward worth it when I feel good its great in the gym im making serious progress can see im developing muscle. But the anxiety does make me question it in the morning.

• How can I lower my e2? (Currently swapped to eod injections, and arimidex 0.5mg eod)
• Is there something I can do to lower the anxiety or is it more of a mental thing?
• Are their things I should be taking to improve my results? Or how I feel?
• Are my blood results good for 250mg test e a week?
• Is there anything I should do better or any tips and tricks I find injecting bring alot of anxiety around it, its not the needle that scares me never been scared of them more of what if I hit a blood vessel?
• How many sites should I use for eod?
• Also if I might have slight gyno should I worry about fixing this now? Or can I fix that on cycle or do i just wait till end of cycle and run nolvadex or anti gyno protocol?

Now if you do reply seriously thank you, I will do my best to reply to everyone, I am looking for some experienced help and guidance, but any help on whats made it easier for you will be very much appreciated. I did see alot of other blood work and their protocols some were a little blurry and some definitely gave me some ideas.


Thank you evo community been following for a while and felt like it’s time to reach out.

Bros, the guys above give you good advice. My tip and trick to tell you is check out the other logs and learn what guys are doing. Also don't worry. You're not going to die from an injection. You're only using one-inch needles so you want to avoid going near veins in the first place. Inject deep into muscles instead.

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

I would get some aromasin and switch to that as its a suicidal AI and you won't have any e2 rebound when stopping



I would retest e2 whilst taking AI to ensure your closer to an ideal on cycle range. I dont like mine going over 180



Bloods look great for 250 test, e2 is very high though

I would switch to daily injections, smaller doses. I use small 27g x1/2" pins and rotate glutes, delts, quads, lats etc.

But rotating from glute and delts should be plenty for you



Don't let gyno run rampant now, once it becomes hard tissue its irreversible. You can run nolvadex to stop aromatisation at the breast tissue, but you need to keep e2 lower with your arimidex or aromisin or lower the test dosage.

Thanks for the detailed reply, couple questions cause I’m doing IM injections with a 23g 1” 1/4 needle wouldn’t switching to a 27g 1/2” needle mean I’m doing sub injections I’m not super peeled. So I have body fat, I mean 27g 1/2” everyday would definitely lower anxiety around the injection (which I’m getting less and less now) just the only concern is injecting sub not IM does it matter?

And can you run nolva on aromasin I thought it didn’t work?

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

23 is still considered young, trust me. I think optimally you should wait maybe another year or two but if you want to mess around with steroids now, that is your prerogative. Just keep the cycle short; you'll recover much smoother.

Awesome thanks for the advice I do realise I probably jumped the gun a little bit wanted to see how my body reacted and especially how I come off it, if it’s a bit rough I might re assess.

 

[willipede]

Thanks for the detailed reply, couple questions cause I’m doing IM injections with a 23g 1” 1/4 needle wouldn’t switching to a 27g 1/2” needle mean I’m doing sub injections I’m not super peeled. So I have body fat, I mean 27g 1/2” everyday would definitely lower anxiety around the injection (which I’m getting less and less now) just the only concern is injecting sub not IM does it matter?

And can you run nolva on aromasin I thought it didn’t work?

23g is a bit rough for me, when I started out almost all oils were thick and needed coarse needles to pin. These days most labs use mtc and much thinner.

How much bf% are we talking? If its a bit high you might be better of dieting down before cycling. I did see you still fairly young, maybe focus on some weight loss and can jump on a bit later when your more prepared.

You can run nolva and aromasin together as they do different things. Nolva will not lower serum e2 at all only protect it from attaching to breast tissue. So you need to actually use something to bring the e2 down, otherwise as soon as you stop nolva it will come back

 

[LevButlerov]

Awesome thanks for the advice I do realise I probably jumped the gun a little bit wanted to see how my body reacted and especially how I come off it, if it’s a bit rough I might re assess.

you read my post about doing a log? @TrynaGetJacked
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/help-with-blood-work-250mg-test-e.108839/post-1960199

welcome to the EVO family! @TrynaGetJacked Your bloods need aromasin asap like right now, dont use arimidex, its a bad idea on the rebound.

This still doesn’t tell us enough to help because we don’t see day to day food intake, training loads, sleep, steps, or bodyweight trend and guessing metabolism is not a plan.
Get a proper log up ASAP with daily calories and macros, training weights, sleep hours, and weekly check in pics so the EVO family can guide the mass phase instead of working in the dark. 15min of your time to start the log.

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[Tomza]

Thanks for the detailed reply, couple questions cause I’m doing IM injections with a 23g 1” 1/4 needle wouldn’t switching to a 27g 1/2” needle mean I’m doing sub injections I’m not super peeled. So I have body fat, I mean 27g 1/2” everyday would definitely lower anxiety around the injection (which I’m getting less and less now) just the only concern is injecting sub not IM does it matter?

And can you run nolva on aromasin I thought it didn’t work?

Daily testosterone injections provide more stable blood levels compared to weekly dosing, minimizing peaks that drive excess aromatization to estrogen.

Frequent Dosing Benefits
Smaller, everyday doses mimic natural testosterone production, avoiding spikes from larger weekly shots of enanthate.

Lower peaks reduce the substrate for aromatase enzyme conversion to estradiol, helping keep E2 modest and stable rather than peaking high mid-week.


Stable serum testosterone also cuts side effects like mood swings or hematocrit rises, this could be where your anxiety comes from.

Needle and Site Choices
At 20% body fat, higher-gauge needles (thinner, e.g., 25-27G) cause less pain and tissue trauma for intramuscular (IM) shots.

Use 1-inch needles for thicker sites like upper/ventral glutes to penetrate muscle past subcutaneous fat, ensuring proper depot release.

Switch to ½-inch for leaner deltoids, where fat is minimal; rotate sites (glutes, delts) to prevent scar tissue and evenly distribute oil.

 

[Ulter]

Awesome thanks for the advice I do realise I probably jumped the gun a little bit wanted to see how my body reacted and especially how I come off it, if it’s a bit rough I might re assess.

That's okay. That's what we're here for. Any adjustments can be made.

 

[2Thick]

Is there anything you would recommend adding in a few weeks?

tbol would be a good oral if you want

 

[ballin2504]

Your bloods are fine, your e2 is pretty high, but .5 adex eod is not the way I would run it.

I would do .25 twice a week, like Monday and Thursday for example, its very strong and as you start doing more frequent injections this should come down a little bit too.

I would also say get some Aromasin, hit up @Gold Standard Labs, its way way gentler than adex, and start running that at like 6.25mg eod and redo bloods after a couple weeks.

The question if its worth it or not, well, at 250mg I am unsure - your kind of better off comitting to a cycle on a higher dose or finding your trt dose where you dont need to run an ai, depends what your trying to do.

This is right here is your best bet

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

23g is a bit rough for me, when I started out almost all oils were thick and needed coarse needles to pin. These days most labs use mtc and much thinner.

How much bf% are we talking? If its a bit high you might be better of dieting down before cycling. I did see you still fairly young, maybe focus on some weight loss and can jump on a bit later when your more prepared.

You can run nolva and aromasin together as they do different things. Nolva will not lower serum e2 at all only protect it from attaching to breast tissue. So you need to actually use something to bring the e2 down, otherwise as soon as you stop nolva it will come back

Yeah I mean 23g is a little rough not too bad for me on the delts it was pretty shit glutes was okay tho.

Bf probably around the 20% mark now heavily focusing on reducing that as my main goal, would like to keep the size but become more shredded dieting is a huge factor of it and cardio if you got any tips on how to keep a similar size but lean out I’m all ears.

I understood novla only blocks it at the breast tissue just I was under the belief it limits the amount of effectiveness of aromatisation maybe that’s just with adex. Would you just take 20mg of novla a day to stop it or space it out?

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

Daily testosterone injections provide more stable blood levels compared to weekly dosing, minimizing peaks that drive excess aromatization to estrogen.

Frequent Dosing Benefits
Smaller, everyday doses mimic natural testosterone production, avoiding spikes from larger weekly shots of enanthate.

Lower peaks reduce the substrate for aromatase enzyme conversion to estradiol, helping keep E2 modest and stable rather than peaking high mid-week.


Stable serum testosterone also cuts side effects like mood swings or hematocrit rises, this could be where your anxiety comes from.

Needle and Site Choices
At 20% body fat, higher-gauge needles (thinner, e.g., 25-27G) cause less pain and tissue trauma for intramuscular (IM) shots.

Use 1-inch needles for thicker sites like upper/ventral glutes to penetrate muscle past subcutaneous fat, ensuring proper depot release.

Switch to ½-inch for leaner deltoids, where fat is minimal; rotate sites (glutes, delts) to prevent scar tissue and evenly distribute oil.

Solid info bro fr, hoping to pin delts tn got a 27g 1/2inch at home so hopefully that’s a lot nicer that a 23g 1 inch.

Is it more beneficial to pin everyday? I mean I’m guessing it would be a hassle at the start but does your body react better to the consistent injection of smaller doses apart from limiting sides or is it mainly to limit side effects I understand what an ester does and how it works but I do see and hear a lot of people pinning everyday now.

 

[TrynaGetJacked]

tbol would be a good oral if you want

Where would you add that into the cycle near the end?

 

[2Thick]

Where would you add that into the cycle near the end?

Really, any time would be good. Middle and start.

 

[Tomza]

Solid info bro fr, hoping to pin delts tn got a 27g 1/2inch at home so hopefully that’s a lot nicer that a 23g 1 inch.

Is it more beneficial to pin everyday? I mean I’m guessing it would be a hassle at the start but does your body react better to the consistent injection of smaller doses apart from limiting sides or is it mainly to limit side effects I understand what an ester does and how it works but I do see and hear a lot of people pinning everyday now.

Helps stabilise the conversion to estrogen. It is a hassle to start off with, but like you said you get used to it pretty quickly. Give yourself an extra 5 minutes in the morning and it'll become routine

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Starting up a log would allow us to help you better..........

 

[bigyetie]

Thanks for the detailed reply, couple questions cause I’m doing IM injections with a 23g 1” 1/4 needle wouldn’t switching to a 27g 1/2” needle mean I’m doing sub injections I’m not super peeled. So I have body fat, I mean 27g 1/2” everyday would definitely lower anxiety around the injection (which I’m getting less and less now) just the only concern is injecting sub not IM does it matter?

And can you run nolva on aromasin I thought it didn’t work?

Half inch should be fine unless your super fat. Im not shreded and i do ed with 27g half inch. I rotate delts and glutes, ed is way better than harpooning my ass twice a week and it lowered my E2 and anxiety. Lot of good advice here take mine with grain of salt. But now would be a good time to find a cruise dose lower test to 200mg inject ed. Use whatever ai you have on hand just start low arimidex works fast but will kill your lipids. Recheck bloods get to a point where u can max out test per week before you need to run AI.

 

[LevButlerov]

Half inch should be fine unless your super fat. Im not shreded and i do ed with 27g half inch. I rotate delts and glutes, ed is way better than harpooning my ass twice a week and it lowered my E2 and anxiety. Lot of good advice here take mine with grain of salt. But now would be a good time to find a cruise dose lower test to 200mg inject ed. Use whatever ai you have on hand just start low arimidex works fast but will kill your lipids. Recheck bloods get to a point where u can max out test per week before you need to run AI.

how much are you using yourself? tell us please @bigyetie

 

[bigyetie]

how much are you using yourself? tell us please @bigyetie

41y male i use 210mg test e per week 4iu hgh ed b4 bed thats my foreva cruise stack. no ai needed never been healthier. Last i checked(which was ages ago) test was 32 n/mol e2 in normal range. I swear by ed injections. I aromatise heavy 250mg once a week was horrible for water retention and bp feel strong but also feel like about to have a heart attack.

 

[LevButlerov]

41y male i use 210mg test e per week 4iu hgh ed b4 bed thats my foreva cruise stack. no ai needed never been healthier. Last i checked(which was ages ago) test was 32 n/mol e2 in normal range. I swear by ed injections. I aromatise heavy 250mg once a week was horrible for water retention and bp feel strong but also feel like about to have a heart attack.

when you say you couldn't be healthier and at the same time say you had bloods ages ago, you do see how this sounds to us right? it's an oxymoron @bigyetie to really know how you feel we need to get some bloods done now

 

[bigyetie]

when you say you couldn't be healthier and at the same time say you had bloods ages ago, you do see how this sounds to us right? it's an oxymoron @bigyetie to really know how you feel we need to get some bloods done now

I only need bloods once a year. Been on and off gear last 10 years used to get bloods every 6 weeks I dont blast stupid amounts of gear i know what every compound does to my body and at what doses bloodwork goes bad. This guys still young good time to learn how each compound and at what doses shit goes bad start small titrate up. Marathon not a sprint hrt is for life. And yes ive never been healthier. Went from 130kg fat ass with shit blood work to 70kg skinny fattass no muscle. Now i sit at shredded 83kg all year round. With perfect bloods and bp tight now 115/66 fasted glucose 4.1 this morning also cialis at 5mg day is awsome

 

[LevButlerov]

I only need bloods once a year. Been on and off gear last 10 years used to get bloods every 6 weeks I dont blast stupid amounts of gear i know what every compound does to my body and at what doses bloodwork goes bad. This guys still young good time to learn how each compound and at what doses shit goes bad start small titrate up. Marathon not a sprint hrt is for life. And yes ive never been healthier. Went from 130kg fat ass with shit blood work to 70kg skinny fattass no muscle. Now i sit at shredded 83kg all year round. With perfect bloods and bp tight now 115/66 fasted glucose 4.1 this morning also cialis at 5mg day is awsome

I hear you you mean you have bloods last 12 months then can you share please? @bigyetie