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Beginner, 21 - Needs advice

JkrJack

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I’m 21 years old and have been training since I was 13 with serious training taken on at around 15, I have stayed relatively lean throughout these years to now.

Throughout this 6 years of serious training I have taken no longer than 6 weeks off at any time and with the exception of 2 weeks break between 3-4 month training progressions, mostly for the purpose of recovery of my joints and attitude adjustments. In regards to my training, I’ve always take a wholistic approach, training in the classic golden era style of bodybuilding, 6xDay training (each bodypart twice weekly). My diet is clean with 4-5 meals a day, steak, rice and chicken, veges, and fruits, the staples. I have used a large array of supplements, proteins, aminos, carb powders, arginine and citrullines, taurine, preworkouts, and multivitamins. Moderate AAS use would not make a dent in my financial situation in comparison to the supplements I have, and will continue to use.

To give an idea of my knowledge, inspiration, and encouragement, I have used the perspectives of bodybuilders; Arnold, Ric Drasin, Heath, Dennis James, and more recently Sadik, and Moger.

I have one current minor health concern, if it could be considered that, which I assume has come about in relation to my years of training, with this problem only occuring within the last year.
During my most strenuous training sessions, I tend to feel hot and flushed, often causing my ears to become noticeably red and accompanied by a slight headache. This issue can be somewhat ‘treated’ by a splash of water to the face and standing infront of the gyms fans.
With research, i’ve connected this overheating issue with the assumption that it may be due to either, a case of adrenal fatigue by overtraining, or a lack of sweating which I have noticed to decline since my teen years of training, where I was once ringing out shirts from sessions, to now minimal sweating in comparison. I see that moderate AAS use may help to relieve this issue rather than worsen it, as I assume I would be able to handle greater training intensity.
I did too have acne throughout my teens particular ages 16-18, which I treated with a 6 month course of accutane at 40mg. I assume that if I use AAS my acne may reoccur, hopefully It would not as bad.

My area of study in university is health promotion and I do not plan to jeopardise my career by taking the path of aas. However, I plan it’s use to improve areas of my life. I have taken this uni course to supplement my forever passion for bodybuilding and health, and as this is my final year of university, I have always planned to use AAS upon the completion of my study, as a beginning to the completion of this milestone.

The decision to take AAS is currently geared towards improved recovery and increasing intensity of training. My ultimate goal is to grow and continue to put on size as I have throughout the years of training. My reason for use of AAS is not to be larger than I ever have been, to impress anyone, or to fuel ego. This decision would be more to keep up with my previously used and desired intensity in training, although, lifting heavier and for longer would be and has always been ideal. I would like to also note that my training performance has not declined as it would be assumed at 21 to be at it’s best. Although, my joints are sometimes making awkward sounds outside of the gym that don’t make me inclined to go as hard at times in my sessions, and I can admit with confidence that it is not my current lifting form or techniques that cause this issue, maybe the early years of newb training though. I assume that with the use of moderate AAS, I may be able to prevent further joint problems, with my weight training, from occuring or continuing to worsen.

My larger contributing perspective is that currently my part time work in labour is strenuous and involves large amounts of lifting, with some work shifts taking more effort than my average gym session, I see that AAS would ensure I crush my gym sessions, alongside my efforts at work.

I have written this post as I have done my research and I have been recently been introduced to sources. I would like to hear some opinions on my circumstance, whether some think it would be okay to start now, with my years of experience, or better to wait longer. At this point, I can wait, however, I will definitly use AAS to support my goals if not now, eventually.

My first 16 week cycle would be;
Test E 250mg, 500mg a week - 12 weeks
Nolva 20mg ED - Weeks 14-16

My current stats;
Age: 21
Height: 5’5”
BF: 10-15%

I have intentionally not included pictures in this post, as I would like unbiased opinions, in relation to my circumstance. However, I can say with confidence, that I am relatively close to my genetic potential.
 
I would wait until at least 25.

But assuming you don’t: No AI during cycle? PCT needs a little work. Also, If you have joint issues now, I might throw in deca to help. It won’t cure it, but will make them feel better while on it.
 
Agree with Dylan. Dude you seem like a smart guy. Have your life laid out. A few years longer won’t make a difference. I wanted to use in High School. I wanted to run a cycle before I went in the Marines at 17. Thank god I couldn’t get my hands on them or I would have. I was a skinny kid too.

Then while in the Corps, you get random drug tested. For everything. Not just the NIDA 5 or 10. So I didn’t. Then life caught up with me. During this time I trained. Learned my body. 100% natural until May of 2017. I was 42. I am not a poster boy or a fitness model but I also don’t have “dad bod”. I don’t have a beer gut like most the men my age. I can see that when I go to the pool the wives all are like “shit, my husband has a huge gut, why can’t he at least try like this guy”. My point is: wait man. Keep doing what you are doing. Your body is still changing, not as rapid as a teen but...strengthen your ligaments/tendons. Make sure your frame and structure has the support it needs before you jump on aas.

None of us are saying this to discourage you from using. Just using now. Wait man. We all care and don’t want to see you fuck yourself up.
 
there is a big difference between 10% and 15% body fat

so if you don't even know that how can anyone help you? if you need help with figuring that out you can post a pic to get a guestimate

steroids are just not smart at 21, you have a lot of gains you are losing out on
 
Steroids/pro-hormones are a terrible idea for an 21 year old. I know this isn't the advice you want to hear but you will thank us in the long run. At 21, your body is still going through puberty. Throwing steroids into the mix will prevent your body from going through puberty properly. You are going to do serious long term permeant damage to your health.

Besides, at 21 your natural testosterone levels are already through the roof. All you need to do is perfect your diet and training. The only supplement an 21 year old needs is a good whey isolate supplement to help meet their body's daily protein requirements.

Here is a good article for you to read that talks about knowing whether or not you are ready for steroids: http://www.evolutionary.org/are-you-ready-for-steroids/

The longer you wait to do your first cycle - the more you will get out of it. Steroids are a tool. They are kind of your 'ace in the hole'. You want to make as much progress naturally before using steroids. That way the steroids will get you through the sticking point you reach when you are close to your natural potential.

Look at the best bodybuilders of all time - Kai Greene, Ronnie Coleman etc. They all built a base naturally. They learnt how to diet and train. Then when they added in the steroids, they absolutely exploded.
 
Thanks everyone for the input, it was a large post and I appreciate you all having taken the time to read through.

From what you’ve all said, it seems best to wait, and I will for the time being.

It’s good to know the support of perspectives available, if not for this advice, I would’ve likely been on within the month.

I think you’ve all brought up some great points;
- Waiting till 25 before use
- Deca for the joint issues
- Strengthening my frame/tendons before use
- Losing out on potential gains with early use
- AAS for to get through a larger sticking point
- and having that decent body for the poolside wives

Props to the replies, i’m sure this will help others in a similar position to myself.
 
Thanks everyone for the input, it was a large post and I appreciate you all having taken the time to read through.

From what you’ve all said, it seems best to wait, and I will for the time being.

It’s good to know the support of perspectives available, if not for this advice, I would’ve likely been on within the month.

I think you’ve all brought up some great points;
- Waiting till 25 before use
- Deca for the joint issues
- Strengthening my frame/tendons before use
- Losing out on potential gains with early use
- AAS for to get through a larger sticking point
- and having that decent body for the poolside wives

Props to the replies, i’m sure this will help others in a similar position to myself.

You are one of the smart ones! Congrats bro!
 
Thanks everyone for the input, it was a large post and I appreciate you all having taken the time to read through.

From what you’ve all said, it seems best to wait, and I will for the time being.

It’s good to know the support of perspectives available, if not for this advice, I would’ve likely been on within the month.

I think you’ve all brought up some great points;
- Waiting till 25 before use
- Deca for the joint issues
- Strengthening my frame/tendons before use
- Losing out on potential gains with early use
- AAS for to get through a larger sticking point
- and having that decent body for the poolside wives

Props to the replies, i’m sure this will help others in a similar position to myself.

Waiting is one of the best things you can do.

Many have not. I made the mistake of taking pro-hormones when I was 21 and they were being sold everywhere even GNC. Had no idea what a PCT was, suppression, etc.

I then realized I had no idea what I was doing and stayed off anything other than some fat burners which were mainly caffeine anyways.

Once I hit 35 I started back in with SARMS and at almost 38 im starting my first test cycle with 250mg/a week of Test Cyp.

Luckily I didnt damage my natural production but if I had kept going im sure id be in a bad spot now.

Just keep working on your training and refining your diet. You can play with macros, hi carb, low carb, intermittent fasting, etc for the time being until you get the base you want then go from there.

Good luck!
 
Thanks everyone for the input, it was a large post and I appreciate you all having taken the time to read through.

From what you’ve all said, it seems best to wait, and I will for the time being.

It’s good to know the support of perspectives available, if not for this advice, I would’ve likely been on within the month.

I think you’ve all brought up some great points;
- Waiting till 25 before use
- Deca for the joint issues
- Strengthening my frame/tendons before use
- Losing out on potential gains with early use
- AAS for to get through a larger sticking point
- and having that decent body for the poolside wives

Props to the replies, i’m sure this will help others in a similar position to myself.

bro you should log everything on evo....
 
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