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Felicity
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I have nothing I need to prove to you so i'll save my breath. I was merely bringing an objective standpoint that you completely disregarded.
Simply put, if we go based on your "shit" and fucking "theories" we should be advising first time users and actually anyone, to be using 800mg-2G of testosterone a week.
^ This
Thank you SD.
THis thread went so dark and I was fucking being attacked with accusations. All I did was post my results to show you were legit, I didn't know people would be like "yo that's low yo that's low". Read my OP word for word
Ugh that sucked ass.
And btw SD it was a powder supplier problem I WILL STILL do business with you because I know you are gtg and I am fuckin sorry that this thread went like this.
take it easy bro.Its fine you didnt come here with no ill agenda, i know a few people jumped down your throat but robo has alot of backers on evo.Just gotta realize there are members that roam around here looking to pounce on sources for underdose or fake gear/hgh because other boards dont allow it as much and have more moderation.Make sure you do bloods right next time before posting on here.Nobody should post bloods on here unless they sure they have tested correctly.
If your baseline is low this number is just about where it should be.
if 200mg of Watson Test puts you at (only) 800, assuming we're using the weekly injections and not 10 days like TRT, I would suggest you do in fact call them as you probably have some shitty pharma, bud
This is absolutely BS!! Makes me slap my forehead reading rhetoric like this.
I have tested time and time again with Watson Cyp and my numbers have always fallen in line within 749- 912 on 200 mg Watson Test Cyp / Weekly Injections / bloods drawn morning on the 7th day. Baseline being 167
So has the countless amount of people that I deal with on a daily basis that are on TRT / HRT for a number of reason.
To tell someone that those numbers = bad real pharma gear is absurd.
Plain and simple.
So has the countless amount of people that I deal with on a daily basis that are on TRT / HRT for a number of reason.
To tell someone that those numbers = bad real pharma gear is absurd.
Plain and simple.
Also next time someone posts bloods.They should post a picture of the gear or hgh they are on also.I am going to talk to admin about this, its a good way to make sure somebody is a troll or a shill ( not saying op was doing that, i think it was a legit post by a confused noob)
I might as well throw my hat in the ring. My buddy on 200mg Watson split 100mg
Injections (M/Th) was at 1000 ng / dl. On 200-250 a week of ISL I was around 1400ish on bloods. My
Buddy on ISL at 300ish a week was low to mid 2000's on bloods. I think it's personal dependent more then people think.
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Thanks TM89
Injections (M/Th) was at 1000 ng / dl. On 200-250 a week of ISL I was around 1400ish on bloods. My
Buddy on ISL at 300ish a week was low to mid 2000's on bloods. I think it's personal dependent more then people think.
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Thanks TM89
Felicity
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Thats why I mentioned the variable of how "one" metabolizes testosterone. Good post bro
jerseydevil
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I have nothing to prove to you either. I state facts, you state your own theories. I dont give a shit about your 'objective standpoint'. True, I completely disregarded because it's total nonsense. So we disregard this landmark study to make way for Felicity's standpoint? Whatever. Glad to see you think so highly of yourself, but I for one am not impressed.
Thanks bro now I've heard this 10 x rule but it isn't that's simple. Pharma BW even confirms that.
In my opinion I think this is fairly accurate:
200-250 test a week, split injections: 1200-1800 ng / DL is a good range.
300-350 test a week, split injections: 1800-2500ish ng / dl is a good range.
500 test a week, split injections: 2500-3200ish ng / dl is a good range.
600-750 test a week, split injections: 3500-4000 ng / dl is a good range.
750-900 test a week, split injections: 4000-5000ish or so is a good range.
1000 test a week, split injections: 5000+ ng / dl is a good range.
I was doing 200-250mg test a week split into 2 injections. 1 Monday and 1 Thursday for 10 weeks on my cruise. At week 8 I shot 125mg test-e Monday and then another 125mg test-e Thursday. I got my blood drawn that following Monday morning at 830am fasted. I was running 12.5mg aromasin E2D. My bloods were right around 1400 ng / dl. And my estrogen was 22.4 on a range of I believe 10-44?
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jerseydevil
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Once again someone throwing out their own numbers based on 'opinion' rather then scientific data.. .. oh and plugging their own brand. Nice.
Oh and btw, using an AI will increase total test, as will hcg but to run a true protocol these should not be used if the goal is to test the effectiveness of a brand of testosterone.
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the OP isn't a bad guy and sorry if I made it look like that, I PM'd the guy and apologized as well for the misunderstanding.. guy merely posted up his bloodwork then others who may or may not have agenda's piled on like it was something horrible.
if the gear was underdosed it would be much lower than that. a bad batch maybe, but underdosed? nope.
I've ran bunk gear before and my levels on cycle were 300's and my LH was near 0 so the gear was obviously bunk, doing just enough to suppress me but not doing much else. I was suspicious because on cycle something just wasn't right, when you are experienced you know when something is fishy.. so I got bloods and my suspicions were proved right.
on robo test CYP when robo was just starting out 150mg almost 2 years ago (TRT dose, I like to run my test low on cycle), my numbers were over 1000... I was impressed... again over the winter I ran same dose.. and again on the dot it was over 1000.. which is exactly where it should be for that dose.. not overdosed, and not underdosed.. but just right. I've seen countless bloods from vets and members on here and EF (both posted and through PM's), same thing.. Polish Rifle is a vet on here who posted up bloods recently and he ran a low dose of test and got 4 figure results as well. he has zero affiliation with the board or robo, he just is a happy customer.
in any event robo took care of the customer so its a moot at this point.
if the gear was underdosed it would be much lower than that. a bad batch maybe, but underdosed? nope.
I've ran bunk gear before and my levels on cycle were 300's and my LH was near 0 so the gear was obviously bunk, doing just enough to suppress me but not doing much else. I was suspicious because on cycle something just wasn't right, when you are experienced you know when something is fishy.. so I got bloods and my suspicions were proved right.
on robo test CYP when robo was just starting out 150mg almost 2 years ago (TRT dose, I like to run my test low on cycle), my numbers were over 1000... I was impressed... again over the winter I ran same dose.. and again on the dot it was over 1000.. which is exactly where it should be for that dose.. not overdosed, and not underdosed.. but just right. I've seen countless bloods from vets and members on here and EF (both posted and through PM's), same thing.. Polish Rifle is a vet on here who posted up bloods recently and he ran a low dose of test and got 4 figure results as well. he has zero affiliation with the board or robo, he just is a happy customer.
in any event robo took care of the customer so its a moot at this point.
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snackmachine
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snackmachine
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btw - my baseline is 520.
jerseydevil
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This was your response to the original post where the OP stated 2,365 ng/dl..... maybe you misread because later you stated 850ng/dl which would make a lot more sense with 520 baseline.
jerseydevil
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Did anyone actually read the study I posted? It's full of info baselines, ages, number of men in each group etc.
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172
I want to make it clear I was the one who questioned all the boo birds saying this gear was 'severely' underdosed. Obviously there are too many variables and basically I stood up for Robo, and I'm a AY rep. If anyone thinks I had an agenda, please let me know.
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/281/6/E1172
I want to make it clear I was the one who questioned all the boo birds saying this gear was 'severely' underdosed. Obviously there are too many variables and basically I stood up for Robo, and I'm a AY rep. If anyone thinks I had an agenda, please let me know.
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I did see it and I was flabbergasted at the first few pages of this thread.
I'm not going to get into it anymore but the bottom line as I stated a few posts back its more likely the gear was correctly dosed because underdosed/bunk gear would show up much lower than what the OP stated, not even considering all the variables involved as this study shows + stacking other compounds can manipulate the results further. this entire thread is much ado about nothing.
its hilarious to me. nobody has 4 digit T levels on bunk gear, much less levels 8X normal.. nobody has FREE TEST at 853 if its bunk gear. usually you multiply free test by 10 and that's gets you total test. so that would put the OP at 8000 total test hypothetically.. if that's what some of you consider underdosed/bunk gear then throw that shit my way, I will gladly take it
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snackmachine
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ahhhh - I see - I misread the free test of 853.8 as total. Oh dopey me.
