bulk cycle critique: test E, Dbol, deca

[BoxerDan]

critique on current cycle

I’m 48, 6’2”, current weight 205# and 12% BF. 3 years ago, I was around 225# and 24% BF

my goal is to get big, but I’m also enjoying the experience of seeing my body change at 48

I’ve been training 6x week steady for about 1.5 years. one on one with a personal trainer 3-4x wk, other days on my own, but with his regimen.

started axiron in august with little to know effect, after four months, my dr let me switch to test C 1ml 200mg every other week. the next three labs showed my test levels lower than they were when I began. one of those times no test was even detected. I’m waiting to get the last set of labs back.

in the meantime, I’ve started my first cycle, a 10wk bulking cycle:
60mg Dbol (2x 20mg caps in the AM and 1x 20mg cap PM)
500mg test E (250cc shot 2x week)
400mg deca (200c shot same 2x week as test E)
I’m on my 2nd week and 3 round of shots.

It’s my first time pinning and its definitely been a learning experience of fear combined with excitement.

also, I do all this daily + more
mens multivitamin
B12 vitamin
3x test stack no 17 (does this really do anything?)
7x n2 guard
30mg cardarine
usually do a couple of cellucor pre-workout drinks in the AM

my training is 6x days of specific body part training and 7x days of cardio (jump rope) of between 30-45 minutes

it’s been 12 days on the cycle, my questions are:
when will I begin to see effects of the deca & Dbol?
will those effects stay with me after I’m off the cycle?
since adding in the 500mg test E, I’ve seen a small increase in sex drive; not surprising since it was almost nonexistent. should I expect more?
when do I start a PCT?
recommendations on food macros, calories, that kind of thing. my goal is bulk
suggestions on how often to run bulk cycle, cut cycle and how much time in between. my goal is to get big
what else should I be doing?

this forum has been a wealth of information for me - thanks for all those threads and comments!

 

[magyar86]

This is kinda a more advanced cycle for first time, however, I'll give you my thoughts.

Make sure you run AI if you aren't. And you might want to get some caber for prolactin. I, personally, don't have issue with prolactin as long as I keep E in check but others aren't so lucky.

10 weeks is short for deca, you won't see the real effects from deca until week 5-6. So 12-16 is better suited with deca.

You should see/feel the dbol toward end of first week beginning of 2nd week. Dbol gains won't stay but they aren't meant to. It's just a nice kick start while your waiting for injectables to kick in.

Doses look ok, dbol is a bit high especially for first time but should be fine.

Good luck bro, keep us posted on progress.


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[muskate]

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need for the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

In between cycles you want to run a bridge to hold on to the gains you made during your cycle. A good bridge would be the SARMS triple stack: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-SARMS-triple-stack-protocol

After the triple stack, run a mini PCT. 4 weeks of the following:
clomid at 25mg/day
nolvadex at 20mg/day
HCGenerate ES at 5 capsules/day
n2guard at 3 capsules/day

After the mini PCT, wait 3-4 weeks, get blood work done to make sure everything is in the normal range - and then you can start your next cycle.

As for diet, what does your current diet look like now?

 

[LevButlerov]

It will take roughly two weeks for the steroids to kick in, which does not mean that they will not work in the first two weeks. They will, just the effects won't be as pronounced. Therefore, you should start the PCT two weeks after the last pin. Also, what worries me is not the cycle and the steroid dosages themselves - you got them right, but the ancillaries. I have not seen you mention any AI or cabergoline. You should be taking aromasin from the first day of the cycle, always, no matter the length of the ester. Also, you should be using cabergoline, since deca will increase prolactin levels, and you need to keep those under control.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

It will take roughly two weeks for the steroids to kick in, which does not mean that they will not work in the first two weeks. They will, just the effects won't be as pronounced. Therefore, you should start the PCT two weeks after the last pin. Also, what worries me is not the cycle and the steroid dosages themselves - you got them right, but the ancillaries. I have not seen you mention any AI or cabergoline. You should be taking aromasin from the first day of the cycle, always, no matter the length of the ester. Also, you should be using cabergoline, since deca will increase prolactin levels, and you need to keep those under control.

Ancillaries are very important. Next time make sure to have everything before starting your cycle. It is much easier to prevent side effects than get rid of issues that appear.

 

[Mission2]

Just my opinion, but I would:

Drop Dbol dose to 40mg per day.

Increase Test to 750mg per week.

Keep Deca at 400mg per week.

 

[AddarInc]

Boys are all over it!

 

[Yeezus]

Yeah drop your dbol level down. You should of felt great pumps on it in a few days of the first doses.

Test e takes 4 weeks to break down in the blood stream. I dont know where the 2 weeks comments come in to effect.

If those wasn't your first cycle I would of suggested EQ for bulking.

And since he doesn't have natural test he really shouldn't need a pct. have your money.

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Oh also eat... Eat, eat. The more you eat and the harder you lift the bigger you will get.

 

[BoxerDan]

thanks for feedback

in reply to my diet, I'm averaging about 3000-3500 calories per day.

couple of you have said to drop Dbol from 60mg to 40mg. The caps are 20mg, so I should do 1xAM & 1xPM?

isn't the recommended dose of n2guard 7x day, not 3x?

anyone else have an opinion to increase my TestE from 500wk to 750wk? seems a lot to me, but I'm game. guessing that'd be a 250 dose EOD more or less?

very intrigued by the comment about my "not having any natural testosterone" since my last three labs (ordered by urologist, not me) have come back very low to (once) even negative. so I should not do any pct whatsoever?

if I increase length of cycle from 10wks to 16wks, how long should I take off in between cycles?

should I continue the self administered TestE anyway though?

thanks guys!


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[muskate]

thanks for feedback

in reply to my diet, I'm averaging about 3000-3500 calories per day.

couple of you have said to drop Dbol from 60mg to 40mg. The caps are 20mg, so I should do 1xAM & 1xPM?
yes

isn't the recommended dose of n2guard 7x day, not 3x?
7 per day

anyone else have an opinion to increase my TestE from 500wk to 750wk? seems a lot to me, but I'm game. guessing that'd be a 250 dose EOD more or less?
500mg/week is more then plenty. Any more then that is going to start aromatizing heavily into estrogen (even with an AI)

very intrigued by the comment about my "not having any natural testosterone" since my last three labs (ordered by urologist, not me) have come back very low to (once) even negative. so I should not do any pct whatsoever?
You need to do a PCT after every cycle. After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
You can order everything you need for the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

if I increase length of cycle from 10wks to 16wks, how long should I take off in between cycles?
Generally, time on = time off

should I continue the self administered TestE anyway though?
I wouldn't self administer TRT unless under a doctor guidance. With a good PCT protocol (such as the perfect PCT protocol linked above) your natural testosterone production will bounce back after cycle.

thanks guys!


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In bold above.

 

[BoxerDan]

thanks muskate


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[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Muskate has you covered in his last response. I agree with him.