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musclefreak954
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Bro really . It's like there on here for what reason .Get big1989
And you will never ever see one either. You can't look at a dead body and say they died of AAS use, just like nobody ever died of obesity, despite the fact that obesity is linked to over 60% of US deaths these days. The AAS may have given them a heart attack, but the cause of death will be heart attack. That doesn't mean AAS didnt cause the heart attack. And yes I knew this guy personally. He never did a recreational drug in his life. He abused AAS and that killed him. End of story.
You keep contradicting yourself. You claim AAS has never killed anyone, but then go on to say "AAS does not kill IF used responsibly". So which is it? If AAS never killed anyone, why do you need to use it responsibly? It's because when NOT used responsibly, it WILL kill you. It might take 10,20, or even 30 years, but you will pay if you play that way
The moral of all of this is to not abuse shit and just use responsibly and monitor yourself and you will be fine
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musclefreak954
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It's not contradictory if you were to take Tylenol in copious amounts you would go into liver failure, responsibly on any meds need to be adhered to. So it's not contradictory to say that AAS taken responsibly and under care of a physician you will be ok . Bc you will b able to find out in the physical if you have a heart condition , .. Now messing with Tren, Winn Dbol Anadrol insulin you are taking more risks to your health and organs . And yes they can aggravate and accelerate a liver kidney and or heart condition. And like any meds there are warning s bc you may suffer from a condition and a contraindications might occur with that med. Any more debate ???
musclefreak954
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Also you know how many calls I've been on for a friend that thought he knew his friend and the friend at the club took MDMA and passed out and the friend "knew" him and would never take. So your friend you don't know what he did behind closed doors or in his younger years aftr he competed could of used Nubain pain pills . And your not a Doctor to make that determination. Rick Rock
Nerebel0610
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How many pros are under a doctor supervision?
From the 80s and 90s which is the time frame we are talking about.
musclefreak954
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Actually Jay Cutler Ronnie Coleman Flex Lewis are under care of a HRT doc
Chizzled77
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I had a cousin pass away from a massive heart attack in April of this year
He was 48 ...didnt have any bad habits like drinking, smoking or drugs including AAS. He lived a healthy life. Stress got the best of him.
musclefreak954
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Read muscular development..
musclefreak954
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TY bro
Evidently you cant understand that you contradict yourself since you just did it again. You talk about health risks with certain AAS, which can cause severe damage to your organs, but you make the assumption that everyone that has complications from AAS has had a previous medical condition. That's one of the most ridiculous and absurd things I've ever heard.
Copious amounts of Tylenol causes severe health problems, but copious amounts of AAS does not? Come on man....you can't be that fucking naive. You've gotta be smarter than that.
I've been saying all along that AAS taken responsibly is fine and you will be fine, but you want to argue that AAS has never killed anyone, even though you admit that abuse causes problems. You are all over the place with your posts, and none of it makes any sense at all. Your position on what you believe doesn't even make sense. I really don't give two shits what you think and could care less, but the problem I have as a moderator of this site is so,done coming on here making a blanket statement full of bullshit saying that AAS has never killed anyone or contributed to the death of anyone. It gives a lot of these new users the wrong impression, and they end up fucking themselves up big time for listening to bullshit advice like this. They need to realize that using AAS is serious business, and you can seriously fuck yourself up if you abuse it. It's not all magical rainbows and unicorns when you start using AAS. There are a lot positives and negatives to think about when using them, and it is important that everyone knows how to use safely.
musclefreak954
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Maybe if you Stop talking bull Shit out of your mouth and let it come out of your ass instead bc you make no sense. I'm not all over the place you and a few others want to state erroneous facts with out any backing. I STATED IN FIRST POST UNDER SUPERVISION OF PHYSICIAN AND NOT TO JUST START TAKING WITHOUT PROPER RESEARCH AND DOC APPROVAL..LAB WORK. And any one new on here should research and research all Medical articles on AAS . Teens and college kids should refrain from taking I said that . So AAS do not kill.
Nerebel0610
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Cmon man when you say TRT most assume 2-300 a week those mass monsters are most likely on 5-600. Which most of us would consider on cycle.
Nerebel0610
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By this logic neither does diabetes but it is a comorbidity to every single thing in the medical field. Can we say a bb took some tren and died the next day because of it? No, but can we come to a logical conclusion that AAS have been a contributing factor to heart attacks? Yes it does. Build up even with labs when you lipids run high you do have some degree of atherosclerosis that may not show up in labs. When does it show up? ... In the cath lab when your getting stents placed after a massive MI.
Talk like that to a moderator again, and you can find a new place to spread your bullshit bro. You've been on this forum like a day and already starting shit like this. I don't want to see any more of this, or you will be banned. You can have a debate and that's fine, but start insulting mods or other members and you are gone.
Willindy120
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Rick I completely agree.. aas can be extremely dangerous. I had a good friend of mine shut his liver and kidneys down because of misuse.. if it had not been for the hospital he would definitely not be here. I can't believe that compounds that put stress on your internals has not been a huge part of deaths (when abused, not used responsibly in sensible amounts, of course)
musclefreak954
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I'm sorry didn't mean to come across that way. Look every one will have ther option and options to create a AAS regiment for there fitness goals. Everyone should be well informed and educated , we both agreed on that . The other info will be up for interpretation. Rick Rock my apologies bro . Glad to be on here a lot of good info.
musclefreak954
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KEY word misuse..His own decision though caused his trip to the hospital
getbig1989
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Exactly my dude I don't understand we should just delete this thread it's not going any where
This was one of the most painful arguments that I have read in quite awhile, because all of you were agreeing with each other while somehow managing to drag it on at the same time. AAS, when used properly with professional supervision, can be very effective and beneficial to your lifestyle. AAS, when used incorrectly, can be very harmful to one's health and sometimes fatal (regardless of the fact that AAS was or was not the sole contributor to the severe health issues or possible death that an abusive user may experience).
And please, do not delete this thread. Maxwell provided some very insightful information on professional bodybuilding, and I'm sure many of us enjoyed checking back on this thread as it developed.
And please, do not delete this thread. Maxwell provided some very insightful information on professional bodybuilding, and I'm sure many of us enjoyed checking back on this thread as it developed.
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