Latest Blood Test High Prolactin and ES

[Edmond]

Not posted on here for a while.

Looking for some advice after my recent blood test results from Medicheck.

Bit of back ground, 43 year old male. Used steroids on and off for 15 years. Been cruising on test 250 per week for the last 3 years. Every 3 months I incorporate Tren maybe winstrol.

The test was prompted by the fact I was not feeling myself in the bedroom department from the last year or so, inspite of the fact I have a lot of energy.

FSH 0.3 Range 1.5 - 12.4 IU/L
LH 0.3 Range 1.7 - 8.6 IU/L
OESTRADIOL 353 Range 41 - 159 pmol/L
TESTOSTERONE 32.6 Range 8.64 - 29 nmol
FREE TESTOSTERONE 0.983 Range 0.2 - 0.62 nmol
FREE ANDROGEN INDEX 152.34 Range 24 - 104 ratio
PROLACTIN 561 Range 86 - 324 mU/L

Prolactin is high which is expected from someone using steroids.
Testosterone is just above the high end.
Free Testosterone is quote high as is my Free Androgen index.

My Oestradiol is off the chart and my FSH and LH is very low. I would assume these would be the reason I have low libido?

Any suggestion on what I can do to counter act this?

Reduce the mg of text per week? Incorporate an Aromatase inhibitor?

I was about to incorporate Tren again should I put this on the back burner for the time being?

Any advice would be welcome.

 

[stevesmi]

you have been abusing steroids for 3 years.. not sure what you expect here

i would want to see all your heart parameters. you are cruising on too much gear and it has caught up to you as I always tell guys but they don't want to listen unfortunately. If i was you I come off everything for the next 3 months, let the body heal itself and if you want to go TRT then run a proper TRT dose. 250mg a week is not correct as demonstrated by your high T and estrogen levels

 

[Edmond]

I cruise on 250mg per week. Currently blast and cruise. 2-3 months cruise then 8-12 week blast. I usually run 250mg test e and 250mg tren e. I wouldn’t consider this abuse.

 

[Fella Finn]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you already know the answer but for some reason you want a second opinion.
Not trying to sound like a jerk but just be honest.

 

[Edmond]

If I honestly knew I next step I wouldn’t have posted.
250mg test is a pretty standard dose for trt. Wouldn’t have thought that would be considered abuse. I have been advised to use an AI, reduce the dose or use B6 which I’m loathed to do seeing as these would be a temporary fix. If it’s a case of coming of totally and letting my system flush out so be it. Just want to look at all the options.

 

[Mobster]

I cruise on 250mg per week. Currently blast and cruise. 2-3 months cruise then 8-12 week blast. I usually run 250mg test e and 250mg tren e. I wouldn’t consider this abuse.

And yet you're having problems.

And 250mg is not. It is in the B&C mob but in actual real TRT it's much more towards the higher end.

 

[Edmond]

And yet you're having problems.

And 250mg is not. It is in the B&C mob but in actual real TRT it's much more towards the higher end.

Thanks for the reply. After doing a little more research online looks like I have fallen into the B&C pit.
Looking therefore to decrease my weekly test shot to 100mg incopertae vit B6 and Vit E and have my bloods tested again in 3 months. Would an AI also be advised ?

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for the reply. After doing a little more research online looks like I have fallen into the B&C pit.
Looking therefore to decrease my weekly test shot to 100mg incopertae vit B6 and Vit E and have my bloods tested again in 3 months. Would an AI also be advised ?

here is the truth that will make a lot of guys butthurt.

if you have to run an AI with your TRT, then you are running too much test for your TRT. and yes even doctors ESPECIALLY american doctors are notorious for doing this because they want to sell you more test to make more $$$.. then they put you on an AI, hcg, heart drugs, cholesterol drugs, etc etc. they make a commission for selling you all these drugs, get a nice vacation from the drug companies and then bitch when their patients sue them for malpractice.

i'm so glad you posted this thread cause now i can reference it to all the guys who think that their test levels on TRT should be higher and higher as if that is a good thing. it isn't. and if you ran cholesterol, bp, HR, and other heart tests you would see your heart is weakening. not good. how you feel is the red flag that you have been abusing

you are on the cruise for life now, so you need to start calling it TRT. and i would adjust your TRT dose and test again in 4 weeks, run bloods, check my signature for how. your test levels should be 400-650 area and your estrogen should be mid range. THAT is how proper TRT is done. none of this 'let's get my test levels to 1100 or 1200 and then be forced to run an AI cause i am overdosing' .. also not everyone was born to have sky high test levels. if you have poor T levels there is a REASON you have poor T levels, fucking around with mother nature and thinking that doing a high TRT dose is a good idea is counter productive.

and i would actually PREFER you bite the bullet and come off everything for a bit, run a pct so you don't get a hard landing (pct isn't going to do shit to recover you at this point but atleast it will prevent you from crashing too hard), then you can gradually put yourself on TRT for life but do it the RIGHT WAY.

 

[Edmond]

Appreciate the honest feedback.
So after much thought I have decided on the following input appreciated.
Reduce test to 100mg per week.
25mg aromasin eod.
Caber 0.5mg every third day.
Have bloods taken again in four weeks.
Evaluate from there.

 

[RickRock]

You need to make sure the test dose you are using during a cruise is keeping you in the normal range which is around 350-1150ng/dl. For most people this equates to between 100 to 200mg per week depending on how you metabolize test. Me personally I need 200mg per week to reach 900 to 1000ng/do so that is my TRT. Get dialed in correctly and your bloodwork and health numbers will reflect that. I just had my blood screening done and all of my numbers are perfect. HDL, LDL, Hematocricit, hemoglobin, RBC, liver enzymes, cholesterol and triglycerides.

Also give blood every 8 weeks while on trt which will help you AND help others.

 

[cbbram]

You need to make sure the test dose you are using during a cruise is keeping you in the normal range which is around 350-1150ng/dl. For most people this equates to between 100 to 200mg per week depending on how you metabolize test. Me personally I need 200mg per week to reach 900 to 1000ng/do so that is my TRT. Get dialed in correctly and your bloodwork and health numbers will reflect that. I just had my blood screening done and all of my numbers are perfect. HDL, LDL, Hematocricit, hemoglobin, RBC, liver enzymes, cholesterol and triglycerides.

Also give blood every 8 weeks while on trt which will help you AND help others.

Excellent advice!

 

[awm1981]

So to clarify is the 250mg test doctor prescribed or are you just self dosing which Steve said is abuse?

Yes if you are running TRT 250mg is pretty high. You can see by your total test numbers you are above the normal range so you shouldnt need that much. If you are saying its not abuse since you are runningg only 250mg and its not doctor prescribed yes thats a relatively low dose for a cycle but you need to cycle off you cant run it 3 years straight.

You are suppressed because you are running 250mg/week but again if you are on doctor prescribed TRT its usually because your test is low so LH and FSH are irrelevant you are taking test for the rest of your life.

That estrogen is out of control and will cause low libido as well as the low LH and FSH. It will also cause bloat and water retention and can lead to high blood pressure so id get that tested as well.

Prolactin may be from the Tren? Dunno man but either way good luck.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Don't overdo the AI. You are lowering your dose and plan to take a very high aromasin dose. Don't crash your estrogen.

 

[Edmond]

Thanks for the reply’s
TRT does was self prescribed (stupid I know) I was suppose to blast and cruise but totally took my eye off the ball.
I don’t suffer for any of the expected sides. No bloat, no water retention, hair all good. Yes lack of desire sometimes. Pop a cialis and I’m usually good for the week.
I realise from the bloods I’ve really neglected myself, hoping this protocol will bring levels down and increase sex drive.

 

[Edmond]

Thanks for your reply’s.
250mg was self prescribed. I was suppose to be blasting and cruising. Didn’t even think about having bloods taken, which I now realise is ridiculous.
Don’t seem to suffer from a lot of the symptoms listed, no water bloat, Gyno, hair loss, depression. Sexual desire is always there and if I experience issues I have can Cialis on hand. I realise this is not maintainable, and I need to be responsible for my hormone levels. 250mg is way to much. So I’ll follow the protocol given and see what my levels are like in 4 week.

 

[Mobster]

Thanks for your reply’s.
250mg was self prescribed. I was suppose to be blasting and cruising. Didn’t even think about having bloods taken, which I now realise is ridiculous.
Don’t seem to suffer from a lot of the symptoms listed, no water bloat, Gyno, hair loss, depression. Sexual desire is always there and if I experience issues I have can Cialis on hand. I realise this is not maintainable, and I need to be responsible for my hormone levels. 250mg is way to much. So I’ll follow the protocol given and see what my levels are like in 4 week.

So yes B&C not TRT. More so with no bloods.

 

[awm1981]

Thanks for your reply’s.
250mg was self prescribed. I was suppose to be blasting and cruising. Didn’t even think about having bloods taken, which I now realise is ridiculous.
Don’t seem to suffer from a lot of the symptoms listed, no water bloat, Gyno, hair loss, depression. Sexual desire is always there and if I experience issues I have can Cialis on hand. I realise this is not maintainable, and I need to be responsible for my hormone levels. 250mg is way to much. So I’ll follow the protocol given and see what my levels are like in 4 week.

Yea man at this point I dont think you an cycle off as you have probably damaged your natural HPTA. You could try if you wanted running a PCT for 6-8 weeks of Clomid, Nolva, aromasin, and a natural test booster.

Otherwise you should probably cut that dose alomst in half. Id go down to the 125-150mg/week range and def watch your estrogen levels because again that can lead to things like gyno, super high blood pressure, etc. not good stuff. I know tren can potentially cause prolactin issues so maybe its from that?

 

[RickRock]

Thanks for your reply’s.
250mg was self prescribed. I was suppose to be blasting and cruising. Didn’t even think about having bloods taken, which I now realise is ridiculous.
Don’t seem to suffer from a lot of the symptoms listed, no water bloat, Gyno, hair loss, depression. Sexual desire is always there and if I experience issues I have can Cialis on hand. I realise this is not maintainable, and I need to be responsible for my hormone levels. 250mg is way to much. So I’ll follow the protocol given and see what my levels are like in 4 week.

Yes you need to lower that dose man. You have options like cycling off and seeing how you recover, if that's even possible. Otherwise a true cruise should be no more than around 200mg per week but you need bloodwork to make sure that is dialed in correctly. Some need only 100mg some need somewhere in the middle. Everyone is different and so are their sensitivities to estrogen. I know guys that are doctor prescribed only 100mg per week for trt that still need arimadex twice a week, and then there are guys like me that run 200mg for trt and dont need an ai at all to stay in range

 

[cbbram]

What cycle were you running for your Prolactin to be that high? Sorry if I missed it.

 

[Fella Finn]

Keep us updated on how things are going man!
Happy to hear you decided to take the advice and cut the dosing and I hope we are gonna see a nice improvement in your levels in near future.

 

[Edmond]

My last cycle was 250mg test and 200mg tren.
I finished that cycle back in Jan. Since I’ve been on 250mg test.
I was going to start another cycle of test 250mg and tren 200mg.
I did take one shot of tren before my blood test which could have messed with the results. I’ve come off tren and I’m following the protocol.

 

[cbbram]

I did take one shot of tren before my blood test which could have messed with the results.

Probably... Might want to do your blood work again.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks for your reply’s.
250mg was self prescribed. I was suppose to be blasting and cruising. Didn’t even think about having bloods taken, which I now realise is ridiculous.
Don’t seem to suffer from a lot of the symptoms listed, no water bloat, Gyno, hair loss, depression. Sexual desire is always there and if I experience issues I have can Cialis on hand. I realise this is not maintainable, and I need to be responsible for my hormone levels. 250mg is way to much. So I’ll follow the protocol given and see what my levels are like in 4 week.

yeah you will feel better

 

[skyrocketing132]

Currently blast and cruise. 2-3 months cruise then 8-12 week blast.