My Testosterone only cycle

[tmprren]

Stats
I’m 19 6’0 155lbs %16.5 bf

Training history
Never trained consistently for more than a month. Was more into sports.

Cycle history
Played around with a vial and a half of test and that’s about it just to test out how it feels.

Diet history
Only every ran about maintenance calories and about 100g protein or less daily.


Cycle I’m going to be running
300mg test prop weekly
And I will be using @pur-pharma-canada test prop

Training
Monday - upper
Incline bench 1-2 sets 8 reps
Weighted pull ups 1-2 sets 8 reps
Shoulder press 1 set 8 reps
Weighted Dips 1 set 8 reps
Regular barbel curls 1 set 8 reps

Tuesday - lower
Squats 2 sets 8 reps
Hamstring curls 2 sets 10 reps reps
Leg extensions 1 set 10 reps

Wednesday -rest/ cardio

Thursday- upper
Rows 2 sets 8 reps
Pec flys 2 sets of 10 reps
lateral raises 2 sets 10 reps
Hammer curls 1 set of 10 reps

Friday - lower
Leg press 2 sets of 12
Quad Extensions 1 sets of 12

Saturday and Sunday rest/cardio

Daily Diet
1.5 cups Oats 2 scoops Protein Powder 1 cup Greek Yogurt 1 tbsp Olive Oil

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 cup Greek Yogurt 0.5 cup Oats

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 scoop Protein Powder 1 tbsp Olive Oil

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

Bro - 19yrs old and you want to get on Test? Not a good idea
You are also very slim and not developed very much - you need to put more years into the gym and nutrition - you are young you have the time
Nearly all of us spend years at the gym building up a solid base first.
"Training history
Never trained consistently for more than a month. Was more into sports."
Guess what happens if you train consistently - growth. At 19 your T levels will be good do not go down the road of steroids at your age.

@LevButlerov @stevesmi @Mobster @Allupfromhere

 

[Noah Wixx]

Stats
I’m 19 6’0 155lbs %16.5 bf

Training history
Never trained consistently for more than a month. Was more into sports.

Cycle history
Played around with a vial and a half of test and that’s about it just to test out how it feels.

Diet history
Only every ran about maintenance calories and about 100g protein or less daily.


Cycle I’m going to be running
300mg test prop weekly
And I will be using @pur-pharma-canada test prop

Training
Monday - upper
Incline bench 1-2 sets 8 reps
Weighted pull ups 1-2 sets 8 reps
Shoulder press 1 set 8 reps
Weighted Dips 1 set 8 reps
Regular barbel curls 1 set 8 reps

Tuesday - lower
Squats 2 sets 8 reps
Hamstring curls 2 sets 10 reps reps
Leg extensions 1 set 10 reps

Wednesday -rest/ cardio

Thursday- upper
Rows 2 sets 8 reps
Pec flys 2 sets of 10 reps
lateral raises 2 sets 10 reps
Hammer curls 1 set of 10 reps

Friday - lower
Leg press 2 sets of 12
Quad Extensions 1 sets of 12

Saturday and Sunday rest/cardio

Daily Diet
1.5 cups Oats 2 scoops Protein Powder 1 cup Greek Yogurt 1 tbsp Olive Oil

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 cup Greek Yogurt 0.5 cup Oats

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 scoop Protein Powder 1 tbsp Olive Oil

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Is this whole post a joke or something ? Never trained more than a month ? So u lack discipline lack mental toughness and you think testosterone is the fix ? What are you even talking about none of this makes any logical sense at all. Sports what are u playing checkers ? What sport doesnt involve dedication and growing stronger in gym and cardio work along with sticking with it long term ?

Dont do any of this its beyond stupid and wreckless quit while ahead before you actually hurt yourself.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I had something much more in depth written out originally.. but im sorry its not worth even sending that message.


Bottome line is you dont need gear.
You need to learn how to eat and train.

 

[Noah Wixx]

I had something much more in depth written out originally.. but im sorry its not worth even sending that message.


Bottome line is you dont need gear.
You need to learn how to eat and train.

I could not say it any better myself brother i absolutely loved that write up and agree with everything you said.

Also just to prove one of your points... hell i know what im doing ive done this enough times now and am educated in this world, even with all that said look what im currently dealing with right now, i will post this in an effort to show the OP even with plenty knowledge and experience shit does, can and will happen. This stuff isn't a joke or a game.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I could not say it any better myself brother i absolutely loved that write up and agree with everything you said.

Also just to prove one of your points... hell i know what im doing ive done this enough times now and am educated in this world, even with all that said look what im currently dealing with right now, i will post this in an effort to show the OP even with plenty knowledge and experience shit does, can and will happen. This stuff isn't a joke or a game.

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Sorry brother i actually removed my original post as i dont want to entertain the idea of kids thinking of using gear.. maybe i should have left it up for the next bloke

 

[Noah Wixx]

Sorry brother i actually removed my original post as i dont want to entertain the idea of kids thinking of using gear.. maybe i should have left it up for the next bloke

Definitely should have its useful and can help many others viewing ths threads we comment on with real truth

 

[Allupfromhere]

Definitely should have its useful and can help many others viewing ths threads we comment on with real truth

This is because my brother @Noah Wixx feels it has value for future readers but you should take this all in too @tmprren..


As i had previously mentioned at 19 you’re already sitting on the highest natural testosterone levels you’ll likely ever have. It doesn’t really make sense to start introducing exogenous hormones when you haven’t even pushed what your body can already do on its own.

The main problem is there’s no foundation yet. If training isn’t dialled in and nutrition isn’t consistent, then anything you gain isn’t really teaching you anything. You won’t know what’s actually driving progress, and that becomes a problem later when things slow down.

Steroids don’t create a physique out of nowhere, they just enhance the output of what you’re already doing. If the inputs aren’t there, the result isn’t going to be anything special. The people who actually get the most out of them already spent years building structure, discipline and understanding before ever going down that route.

There’s also a lot of value in the early years that you’d be skipping over. Figuring out progression, learning how your body responds to food, building consistency, working through plateaus. That’s the phase that sets you up long term. If you bypass it, you end up leaning on compounds instead of building those skills.

Then there’s the risk side of things, which just doesn’t justify it at your age. You might gain a bit faster, sure, but you’re also opening the door to suppressing your natural production, dealing with hormonal imbalances, libido issues, potential gyno, and setting yourself up for needing trt much earlier than necessary.

If you haven’t been able to build a solid physique naturally yet, adding gear isn’t going to suddenly change that. It’ll just exaggerate whatever level you’re currently at.

You’d honestly get far more out of spending the next couple of years locking everything in. Proper training, consistent nutrition, good recovery, understanding your own body. Then if you ever decide to go down that path, you’re doing it from a position where you can actually maximise it and manage it properly.

Right now it’s just trying to fast track something that still needs to be built from the ground up.

 

[tmprren]

I had something much more in depth written out originally.. but im sorry its not worth even sending that message.


Bottome line is you dont need gear.
You need to learn how to eat and train.

What makes you think you need gear over anyone else ? I’m an adult. Period.

 

[tmprren]

Definitely should have its useful and can help many others viewing ths threads we comment on with real truth

I mean what’s the point of you taking gear ? You’re still underdeveloped lol. So tell me ? My heart is also alot stronger than yours. And I’m far more athletic than you. So the steroids will do alot more damage to you then it will to me , and I’ll also see better results then you did . Which I know for a 100% fact. I’ll get far past your physique Ina year. And you’re not spreading facts you just sound like a dick. And I thought you would have had the physique like the other guys to atleast back up your claims .

 

[tmprren]

Is this whole post a joke or something ? Never trained more than a month ? So u lack discipline lack mental toughness and you think testosterone is the fix ? What are you even talking about none of this makes any logical sense at all. Sports what are u playing checkers ? What sport doesnt involve dedication and growing stronger in gym and cardio work along with sticking with it long term ?

Dont do any of this its beyond stupid and wreckless quit while ahead before you actually hurt yourself.

This is because my brother @Noah Wixx feels it has value for future readers but you should take this all in too @tmprren..


As i had previously mentioned at 19 you’re already sitting on the highest natural testosterone levels you’ll likely ever have. It doesn’t really make sense to start introducing exogenous hormones when you haven’t even pushed what your body can already do on its own.

The main problem is there’s no foundation yet. If training isn’t dialled in and nutrition isn’t consistent, then anything you gain isn’t really teaching you anything. You won’t know what’s actually driving progress, and that becomes a problem later when things slow down.

Steroids don’t create a physique out of nowhere, they just enhance the output of what you’re already doing. If the inputs aren’t there, the result isn’t going to be anything special. The people who actually get the most out of them already spent years building structure, discipline and understanding before ever going down that route.

There’s also a lot of value in the early years that you’d be skipping over. Figuring out progression, learning how your body responds to food, building consistency, working through plateaus. That’s the phase that sets you up long term. If you bypass it, you end up leaning on compounds instead of building those skills.

Then there’s the risk side of things, which just doesn’t justify it at your age. You might gain a bit faster, sure, but you’re also opening the door to suppressing your natural production, dealing with hormonal imbalances, libido issues, potential gyno, and setting yourself up for needing trt much earlier than necessary.

If you haven’t been able to build a solid physique naturally yet, adding gear isn’t going to suddenly change that. It’ll just exaggerate whatever level you’re currently at.

You’d honestly get far more out of spending the next couple of years locking everything in. Proper training, consistent nutrition, good recovery, understanding your own body. Then if you ever decide to go down that path, you’re doing it from a position where you can actually maximise it and manage it properly.

Right now it’s just trying to fast track something that still needs to be built from the ground up.

I mean the only reason you should be taking gear is to compete in body building. And obviously you were never going to make it there so why are you taking the gear ?

 

[rizzlekdizzle]

cya champ - unfortunately we are not going to tell you what you want to hear. Some sage advice here but you do you.
The fact you think the only reason to take gear is to compete is strange.

 

[tmprren]

Bro - 19yrs old and you want to get on Test? Not a good idea
You are also very slim and not developed very much - you need to put more years into the gym and nutrition - you are young you have the time
Nearly all of us spend years at the gym building up a solid base first.
"Training history
Never trained consistently for more than a month. Was more into sports."
Guess what happens if you train consistently - growth. At 19 your T levels will be good do not go down the road of steroids at your age.

@LevButlerov @stevesmi @Mobster @Allupfromhere

cya champ - unfortunately we are not going to tell you what you want to hear. Some sage advice here but you do you.
The fact you think the only reason to take gear is to compete is strange.

Oh yeah I know that haha. I wanted to create this log just to track my progress. And no the only reason gear should be taken is for testosterone levels that are like 200-300. So if you didn’t already have that and you aren’t body building or going to try and make money off what you’re doing then you really have no reason to take gear over me. and you’ll see in 12 weeks of consistency and the training and diet and doses I mentioned I’ll be bigger then you and alot more defined just watch lol. But yeah have a gooder man. Thx for not being a complete prick like the other guy haha.

 

[tmprren]

This is because my brother @Noah Wixx feels it has value for future readers but you should take this all in too @tmprren..


As i had previously mentioned at 19 you’re already sitting on the highest natural testosterone levels you’ll likely ever have. It doesn’t really make sense to start introducing exogenous hormones when you haven’t even pushed what your body can already do on its own.

The main problem is there’s no foundation yet. If training isn’t dialled in and nutrition isn’t consistent, then anything you gain isn’t really teaching you anything. You won’t know what’s actually driving progress, and that becomes a problem later when things slow down.

Steroids don’t create a physique out of nowhere, they just enhance the output of what you’re already doing. If the inputs aren’t there, the result isn’t going to be anything special. The people who actually get the most out of them already spent years building structure, discipline and understanding before ever going down that route.

There’s also a lot of value in the early years that you’d be skipping over. Figuring out progression, learning how your body responds to food, building consistency, working through plateaus. That’s the phase that sets you up long term. If you bypass it, you end up leaning on compounds instead of building those skills.

Then there’s the risk side of things, which just doesn’t justify it at your age. You might gain a bit faster, sure, but you’re also opening the door to suppressing your natural production, dealing with hormonal imbalances, libido issues, potential gyno, and setting yourself up for needing trt much earlier than necessary.

If you haven’t been able to build a solid physique naturally yet, adding gear isn’t going to suddenly change that. It’ll just exaggerate whatever level you’re currently at.

You’d honestly get far more out of spending the next couple of years locking everything in. Proper training, consistent nutrition, good recovery, understanding your own body. Then if you ever decide to go down that path, you’re doing it from a position where you can actually maximise it and manage it properly.

Right now it’s just trying to fast track something that still needs to be built from the ground up.

Bro steroids scientifically make and build foundation without even working out bro your now spreading misinformation tryna be right. It just seems most of you guys like to comment on stuff to get a little ego boost lolol.

Stats
I’m 19 6’0 155lbs %16.5 bf

Training history
Never trained consistently for more than a month. Was more into sports.

Cycle history
Played around with a vial and a half of test and that’s about it just to test out how it feels.

Diet history
Only every ran about maintenance calories and about 100g protein or less daily.


Cycle I’m going to be running
300mg test prop weekly
And I will be using @pur-pharma-canada test prop

Training
Monday - upper
Incline bench 1-2 sets 8 reps
Weighted pull ups 1-2 sets 8 reps
Shoulder press 1 set 8 reps
Weighted Dips 1 set 8 reps
Regular barbel curls 1 set 8 reps

Tuesday - lower
Squats 2 sets 8 reps
Hamstring curls 2 sets 10 reps reps
Leg extensions 1 set 10 reps

Wednesday -rest/ cardio

Thursday- upper
Rows 2 sets 8 reps
Pec flys 2 sets of 10 reps
lateral raises 2 sets 10 reps
Hammer curls 1 set of 10 reps

Friday - lower
Leg press 2 sets of 12
Quad Extensions 1 sets of 12

Saturday and Sunday rest/cardio

Daily Diet
1.5 cups Oats 2 scoops Protein Powder 1 cup Greek Yogurt 1 tbsp Olive Oil

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 cup Greek Yogurt 0.5 cup Oats

8oz Ground Chicken or 1 NY Strip 1.5 cups Cooked Rice 1 tbsp Olive Oil 1 cup Frozen Veggies

1 scoop Protein Powder 1 tbsp Olive Oil

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[Allupfromhere]

Bro steroids scientifically make and build foundation without even working out bro your now spreading misinformation tryna be right. It just seems most of you guys like to comment on stuff to get a little ego boost lolol.

Buddy, you’re jumping way ahead of yourself.

You don’t yet have a solid grasp on training or nutrition and that’s not an insult, it just shows in your current results. But at the same time you’re talking like you’ve got a deep scientific understanding of how steroids work. Those two things don’t line up.

Show me a single legitimate case study that proves anabolic steroids build the foundation of a well performing physique in someone who hasn’t already nailed the basics, because that’s the situation you’re in.

Steroids don’t create discipline, they don’t teach you how to train, and they don’t fix poor nutrition. All they do is amplify what’s already there. If the foundation is weak, you’re just accelerating poor progress and increasing risk at the same time.

Get the fundamentals right first, otherwise you’re just trying to skip steps, and it always shows.

 

[Allupfromhere]

What makes you think you need gear over anyone else ? I’m an adult. Period.

You’re 19 and talking about steroids when you don’t even train. Not “you’re not advanced” you haven’t even started. That’s like asking about race fuel when you don’t own a car.

Your muscle isn’t lacking drugs it’s lacking stimulus. You haven’t built any base, haven’t learned how to train, haven’t pushed through progressive overload, and somehow you think the issue is hormones? That’s not how this works.

Your body is still developing across the board. Muscle maturity, coordination, actual strength all undeveloped. You haven’t even learned how to contract a muscle properly and you’re already looking for shortcuts.

Your hormones are already high, but more importantly, they’re still stabilising. Your endocrine system is still figuring itself out, and your plan is to throw synthetic hormones into that? You don’t even know what your baseline looks like.

And the biggest one, your brain. The prefrontal cortex, the part responsible for decision making, isn’t even fully developed yet. Which is exactly why this sounds like such a bad idea.

Bone density, joints, connective tissue all still catching up. You haven’t built a body that can even handle consistent training, and you’re thinking about adding compounds that will push performance past what your structure can support. That’s how people end up injured or worse.

So let’s be honest here, this isn’t some calculated move. It’s laziness and impatience.

You don’t need steroids. You need to actually step into a gym, learn how to train, eat properly, and build something from scratch.

Until you’ve done that for years, not weeks, you’ve got no business even thinking about it.

 

[tmprren]

You’re 19 and talking about steroids when you don’t even train. Not “you’re not advanced” you haven’t even started. That’s like asking about race fuel when you don’t own a car.

Your muscle isn’t lacking drugs it’s lacking stimulus. You haven’t built any base, haven’t learned how to train, haven’t pushed through progressive overload, and somehow you think the issue is hormones? That’s not how this works.

Your body is still developing across the board. Muscle maturity, coordination, actual strength all undeveloped. You haven’t even learned how to contract a muscle properly and you’re already looking for shortcuts.

Your hormones are already high, but more importantly, they’re still stabilising. Your endocrine system is still figuring itself out, and your plan is to throw synthetic hormones into that? You don’t even know what your baseline looks like.

And the biggest one, your brain. The prefrontal cortex, the part responsible for decision making, isn’t even fully developed yet. Which is exactly why this sounds like such a bad idea.

Bone density, joints, connective tissue all still catching up. You haven’t built a body that can even handle consistent training, and you’re thinking about adding compounds that will push performance past what your structure can support. That’s how people end up injured or worse.

So let’s be honest here, this isn’t some calculated move. It’s laziness and impatience.

You don’t need steroids. You need to actually step into a gym, learn how to train, eat properly, and build something from scratch.

Until you’ve done that for years, not weeks, you’ve got no business even thinking about it.

You’re 19 and talking about steroids when you don’t even train. Not “you’re not advanced” you haven’t even started. That’s like asking about race fuel when you don’t own a car.

Your muscle isn’t lacking drugs it’s lacking stimulus. You haven’t built any base, haven’t learned how to train, haven’t pushed through progressive overload, and somehow you think the issue is hormones? That’s not how this works.

Your body is still developing across the board. Muscle maturity, coordination, actual strength all undeveloped. You haven’t even learned how to contract a muscle properly and you’re already looking for shortcuts.

Your hormones are already high, but more importantly, they’re still stabilising. Your endocrine system is still figuring itself out, and your plan is to throw synthetic hormones into that? You don’t even know what your baseline looks like.

And the biggest one, your brain. The prefrontal cortex, the part responsible for decision making, isn’t even fully developed yet. Which is exactly why this sounds like such a bad idea.

Bone density, joints, connective tissue all still catching up. You haven’t built a body that can even handle consistent training, and you’re thinking about adding compounds that will push performance past what your structure can support. That’s how people end up injured or worse.

So let’s be honest here, this isn’t some calculated move. It’s laziness and impatience.

You don’t need steroids. You need to actually step into a gym, learn how to train, eat properly, and build something from scratch.

Until you’ve done that for years, not weeks, you’ve got no business even thinking about it.

Buddy, you’re jumping way ahead of yourself.

You don’t yet have a solid grasp on training or nutrition and that’s not an insult, it just shows in your current results. But at the same time you’re talking like you’ve got a deep scientific understanding of how steroids work. Those two things don’t line up.

Show me a single legitimate case study that proves anabolic steroids build the foundation of a well performing physique in someone who hasn’t already nailed the basics, because that’s the situation you’re in.

Steroids don’t create discipline, they don’t teach you how to train, and they don’t fix poor nutrition. All they do is amplify what’s already there. If the foundation is weak, you’re just accelerating poor progress and increasing risk at the same time.

Get the fundamentals right first, otherwise you’re just trying to skip steps, and it always shows.

I do have a solid grasp of training and nutrition I’ve been studying it the past 3 months. And you can look it up yourself haha it’s a proven stat that anabolic steroids build muscle and foundation without training and dieting. And yes ofc I have more to lose compared to an older guy like yourself. And for you to act as if I don’t get a say or to even post my own progress and log bc I’m 19 is absolutely insane I’m an adult just like you man. Now grow tf up and be respectful like a real man. That keyboard got some of yo OGs acting crazyyy why talk shit when you can kindly say your opinion ? No point in being rude. It seems alot of you guys like I said already, want some sort of ego boost talking like your some kind of dr lol.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I do have a solid grasp of training and nutrition I’ve been studying it the past 3 months. And you can look it up yourself haha it’s a proven stat that anabolic steroids build muscle and foundation without training and dieting. And yes ofc I have more to lose compared to an older guy like yourself. And for you to act as if I don’t get a say or to even post my own progress and log bc I’m 19 is absolutely insane I’m an adult just like you man. Now grow tf up and be respectful like a real man. That keyboard got some of yo OGs acting crazyyy why talk shit when you can kindly say your opinion ? No point in being rude. It seems alot of you guys like I said already, want some sort of ego boost talking like your some kind of dr lol.

Its talking from experience buddy, something you havent lived long enough to develop.

Wishing you a safe and healthy life young brother but we dont allow children of your age on this platform when it comes to using anabolics.

I hope several years down the track you will understand that everyone here was actually looking out for you and whats best for your health and longevity.


Take care buddy.

 

[toddthelineman]

I could not say it any better myself brother i absolutely loved that write up and agree with everything you said.

Also just to prove one of your points... hell i know what im doing ive done this enough times now and am educated in this world, even with all that said look what im currently dealing with right now, i will post this in an effort to show the OP even with plenty knowledge and experience shit does, can and will happen. This stuff isn't a joke or a game.

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You call that acne? I bled through my shitt

 

[Allupfromhere]

You call that acne? I bled through my shitt

Thats wildd broo lol

 

[toddthelineman]

Thats wildd broo lol

Well I got it figured out eventually. After like two years of every effort and following the protocols of all the big YouTubers. Aka bullshitters. I wasn’t even taking much.

 

[toddthelineman]

do have a solid grasp of training and nutrition I’ve been studying it the past 3 months.

Respectfully, until you prove your studies to yourself, they mean nothing. You do have to do the studying, so you’ve started. That’s good. But when you APPLY your studies you will see that there’s quite a bit of dialing in to do.

anabolic steroids build muscle and foundation without training and dieting

Again studies. The fellas should did those studies were… not swole! I promise hahaha.
We know what really happens when you take steroids without achieving a good base physique. We see it all the time. You are not reading a short term small sample size study here. You are talking to people who have lived the life for years and decades. I didn’t start taking testosterone until I was 40, but I have been around steroids and steroid users for almost 30 years. And I don’t know a fraction of what some of these guys know. The scientists? They don’t really know shit man.
I could literally introduce you to people who have done cycles without training, or they only train while they are on cycle. I will bet you absolutely anything that either of us can match that you will be rethinking what you have been thinking. I am not trying to get over on you or one of you or anything like that. There’s nothing in that for me. I’m an enthusiast of the truth. I like to share it and I don’t like to see anybody make mistakes with incomplete or misleading information because it happens to all of us and it doesn’t have to.

for you to act as if I don’t get a say or to even post my own progress and log bc I’m 19 is absolutely insane I’m an adult just like you man.

You are indeed legally an adult, and in my world view, you get all the say in the world to do absolutely whatever you want to do with your life. But we don’t owe you anything. This is a community of people on a particular path of self improvement and we will not encourage or help anyone if we think that they are likely to hurt themselves.

“Just like you”

I wouldn’t say “just like you”.
Yes you are an adult, but you are not by far the adult that you will be.

why talk shit when you can kindly say your opinion ?

OK, nobody really came at you too gently. Well, there’s a reason for that. Because it’s basically the same thing every time and coming off gently hasn’t worked very well. I’ve been on the forum for about a year and I think I’ve seen like two young guys who were even open to listening. The dozens and dozens of others were defensive, childish, entitled and so much more.
I often find them first, actually, and I have spent countless hours of my valuable personal time conversing with them. Even if I know you won’t listen, I think that it’s best that you know what is really going to happen because when it does at least you won’t be blind sided. Because you will! YOU WILL!

You know what dude? When I was 19 I was SMALLER THAN YOU. By my mid thirties, at my peak, I was 195 pounds and brutally strong, especially my grip. And I didn’t even know how to lift weights and had hardly ever been in a gym. It was from working and eating.
When I first started my career, many young guys were taking steroids. And they all encouraged me to do it. But I noticed a few things: the guys at the top, making 100k+ in the nineties, they weren’t taking them. Also, the ones that were didn’t hardly know what they were taking. And when they stopped, their bodies didn’t look like the badass linemen I wanted to be like. And they didn’t perform like them either.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I do use testosterone and it does help me. There’s are just tiny little nibbles of my experience. I can share more if you want to have a real conversation. I will tell you the truth. If you just want to find everything out the hard way like so many others that’s your prerogative. But it IS a mistake. You CAN do it better.

This is my prediction: you do a cycle, you fill out right away, you get a bit stronger and you feel some positive effects across the board. Then you get side effects, probably nothing severe at 300mg. You keep it going for a while, maybe want to do something else, etc, but eventually you run into problems and if you have to pull the plug you’ll have a period of very low mood or possibly profound depression. You lose your motivation and your appetite or you succumb to unhealthy cravings and your gains go away and you either become skinnier than you started or you get skinny fat. Your endogenous production will rebound eventually, but it will take months and you’ll be worse off than before you started for quite some time, but it’s not hopeless and if you then dial in you can still get a damn good base. But you will have wasted a lot of time and effort and experience a fair amount of misery.

 

[toddthelineman]

What makes you think you need gear over anyone else ? I’m an adult. Period.

Tell us about the adult things you do

 

[toddthelineman]

I mean what’s the point of you taking gear ? You’re still underdeveloped lol. So tell me ? My heart is also alot stronger than yours. And I’m far more athletic than you. So the steroids will do alot more damage to you then it will to me , and I’ll also see better results then you did . Which I know for a 100% fact. I’ll get far past your physique Ina year. And you’re not spreading facts you just sound like a dick. And I thought you would have had the physique like the other guys to atleast back up your claims .

He outweighs you by almost 100 pounds. He can curl you for reps. He is a dick though that’s true

 

[toddthelineman]

in 12 weeks of consistency and the training and diet and doses I mentioned I’ll be bigger then you and alot more defined just watch

300mg/wk for 12 weeks… you’re going to be bigger and more defined than him? And he’s been taking how much for how long and been lifting and eating properly for how long now?

I mean I suppose I’d have a lot more gains if I didn’t have a job and lived with my mom.

Show us then. We’ve been doing it all wrong all this time and keeping the superior young men out of the club because we’re envious middle aged virgins

 

[LevButlerov]

The OP @tmprren is suspended. This thread is closed.

 

[Mobster]

How did I miss this? To quote XXX 'I LIVE FOR THIS SH*T!'

There's so much wrong here I wont even try to cover it all. Let's start with the OP being wrong on many things he said. Some I've cited on podcasts.

1. He said ''And you can look it up yourself haha it’s a proven stat that anabolic steroids build muscle and foundation without training and dieting.''
Untrue It IS true that IN ONE OR TWO studies they saw that SOME muscle was added in the group that did NOTHING else different apart from taking the steroids. However, that completely ignores the group which had the BEST results. Guess which one? Yep the ones who trained and ate more. We'll d'uh. Like DOUBLE. ZERO mention of anything about foundation.

2. He says how he's studied it (roids and nutrition in 2 separate examples) for '3 months'. I've been doing this sh*t 2+ times your time on the planet. Like 46 years. Most here and esp those replying are up around and decade and more. Like HALF your life. Unless you're a genius and without sounding too much like G.O.T like Jon Snow 'you know nothing'. How do you think you're 3 months means f'all? It's take you longer to learn to drive never mind KNOW about steroids in 12 fkin weeks. C'mon.

3. Others covered the obvious. You freely admit to have NEVER been any more consistent than hitting the gym for more than 3 months. Now go away and READ and RESEARCH PROPERLY just what kinds of results you'd have got if it had been 6... 9... 12 months or more.

4. Spend as much time as you can again on the effects on your fertility on using PEDs at age 19.

5. The ONE thing that's accurate is how at age 19 you can, in essence, if not in fact, 'do what you like'. Equally we almost have an ethical and moral responsibility here to 'do the right thing'. Meaning we MUST, just for peace in our souls, ensure to NOT 'aid' what we feel is stupid and irresponsible behavior in not just the OP but other 19 year olds reading the forum.

There's loads more including where you flip flopped and contradicted yourself

 

[HarleyGuy]

I’m 19

Why don't you screenshot and post your unsolicited DM's to me so that we can all see your maturity level? And you want to run steroids to add to that attitude?

I do have a solid grasp of training and nutrition I’ve been studying it the past 3 months.

3 'whole' months?